No, it's because Ford has realized that our current economic boom can be traced to one place...all the digital slaves that now do the work of millions. By making people more computer literate in general it will help the company in a wide variety of ways; lower training/support costs, new ideas, higher morale, free advertising....
read the above for a textbook reply to pushy lawyers.
my fav part
Since you provided a short deadline of 10 days and I will need time to provide your response to my attorney, have him review the information, discuss the matter, and provide a response, please provide an answer within 24 hours via return e-mail.
which is especially funny after he cites three court cases and a demonstated knowledge of how the domain system "works".
As to your idea of multiple successive universes, that is certainly within the bounds of possibility, but since any given universe would not be observable from within another one and they aredivided by discontinuities (singularities), one cannot possibly have an effect on another.
That doesn't matter though. Having an effect on one another is immaterial. What I am getting at is that one way or another 1) both time and space are infinite, 2) chaos happens, and 3) eventually two people will discuss it on/. I just don't see a need to cowtow to an unprovable supernatural being and his earthly servants, given those circumstances.
Dunno where the elephants, turtle, and frisbees come in, but to each to his own.:-) I just like talking about it, later.
um, so if I talk bad about my company, they have the right to come into my home, steal my diary, personal correspondence, violate copyright law (by copying mp3s, games), and basically take all my "intellectual property"?
I don't think you read it right, they weren't using company property, they don't even work on computers, they're flight attendants.
This is a bad precedent, downright scary if you ask me (which you didn't).
Both space and time had a beginning, therefore to any actual observer both are finite because the ending time and the size of the universe are definite.
That makes a whole bunch of assumptions. As well as the assumption that this is the only Universe that will ever exist. Perhaps a thousand Universes were created and desroyed before this one. Is there any way to know? No, nor will there ever be from this perspective (inside the asylum)
Since we cannot see outside our own universe, nor stop the flow of time, for all intents and purposes, for us, Time and Space are both infinite.
So following the original question (in which someone professed their faith in God on the assumption that *someone* had to create us since random actions couldn't account for life) it would appear that given random occurence mixed with infinite time and space (or an infinite number of finite universes) the possibility of sentient life developing is at least 1.
It all gets us to the same place, I just prefer logic, science, and creative thought over blind faith and emotion.
Probably nobody's going to see this, but...
You can call me nobody if you want, but I prefer Wah.;)
Then again, it could be a small band of hackers who are hopeing to raise awareness about these things and scare network admins and sysadmins into beefing up security internet-wide.
You just have to look at who benefits mosts. Seems to me it could either be the gov't (hoping for more surviellance rights), a hacking group (l0pht is for profit now, eh?), or even some really enterprising young geek pissed at the world or just curious about it.
I just hope folks don't panic, but watching CNN's talkback live (an interview with Mitnick no less, what a dork) it seems like thats where the media wants to push it, surprise, surprise. If no other news happens this week, expect a whole bunch of idiots to spread a whole buncha FUD about the whole thing.
These are the types of initiative you need to be pushing. Quit the negative campaigning about censorware, that's too technical a route for most people to comprehend. Go with common sense (high visibility, high traffic, near the librarian) over children protecting panic (remember: women can lift cars if their baby is in trouble).
A different technical solution (i.e. multiple logins/profiles) might also be in order, but it seems obvious that just attacking a proposal already on the table is going to be a failure. You need to push an alternative agenda, while at the same time explainging why filterware is often bad idea.
heck, you don't even need multiple boxes just different usernames.
Username : child Password : child Blocking software : On and in charge
Username : Adult Password : (changes every week, ask librarian) Blocking software : nowhere to be found, like it should be on a public terminal in a free country.
It's like Homer said "Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems." Just replace alcohol with technology and you have a hell of a mixer.
I'll agree with this. I also agree with the draw of Riki or Jerry and even Jenni, is the unfettered view into someone's life. Sometimes it's just for the opportunity to look down at them, but mostly it's just fun to see how other people are dealing with life in a raw format.
Privacy is a wierd thing. First off, you don't have a whole lot of privacy about your demographic (age,sex,location) info, and most likely your behavioural info either (what you buy, hobbies, etc). You'll have to trust me on this, basically 'cause I use this stuff every day. With an address and a name I can probably tell you what kind of car your drive, your religion, political affiliation, magazines you read, how many kids you have, age, sex, etc. etc.
Like any other tool, its "goodness" or "badness" is based upon the use and the why. This information allows a less well financed company to reach the same number of highly potential customers without resorting to mass marketing. Collecting this info makes our economy more efficient as less money is wasted getting a message to people who will *never* buy your product (like all those AOL cd's, they need a "uses Linux" killfile).
However the potential for abuse is high. The potential for annoyance to customers is extremely high. Such is the trade-off.
I was actually thinking the other day of creating some type of Open Consumer Database, where you log in, set your preferences, info, product interests, and get kickbacks when somebody buys a subset of the list, perhaps on an annual basis. While tightly controlling what companies get access to the info, but allowing individuals to freely update or remove their information.
Recent developements will most likely make a lot of you happy (States will soon not be allowed to sell driver registration info, which is one of the foundations that your profile is built upon) yet this action will just make info collecting that much more expensive, less accurate, and in the end you get more spam (in your mailbox, or over your telephone) (BTW, this law was created in a "save the children" type environment, a stalker had accessed driving records and hunted dwon
Of course they could also buy your profile from Doublclick, which, after buying Abacus, associates online traffic patterns with real-world buying habits. (plus a whole bunch of other juicy stuff)
Dunno where I'm heading with this, but you are and have been targeted since you were young. And you will be until you die. Understanding this for what it is, can be a tremendous leap toward making it a non-factor in your life, allowing the freedom of thought and action that so many of us hold deal.
Anyway, enough ranting for the morning. I should do some work.
stop posting for a while and you'll get mod points (it happens whenever I go offline for a few days or more).
There has a been a lot more moderating down, but that's because of the exponential growth in trolling. There's an entire sub-culture down there and they're having a blast, so I don't think it's gonna stop soon. We need more mod points in general and a higher score threshold, there are *way* more than 6 levels of quality to the posts here.
"Once you're done," says student ***** **, "you push 'submit.' They ask, 'Are you sure?' and you say, 'Yes, submit.' And then, one minute later, they send the score right back to you because it's all automatic."
If the universe turns out to be flat, then time will indeed be infinite, but not to any real-world frame of reference.
By "real world" frame of reference, I assume you mean someone exterior to the whole thing observing it?
So yes, to "God" space and time are finite, but not for us. We can't get outside of reality. Clear up that "real world" bit for me, and I can go further...
See, Katz threads *can* be interesting (if constantly rehashed;)
Times not infinite, eh? When does it end? Explain that. Same thing for space. Actually the data (the whole flat universe thing) seems to suggest that space IS infinite, i.e. there is always another horizon.
The only relation it bears to the real world in is its creation, this is a religion thread after all, eh?
no, I just hate to be associated with such assholes. I got the score because I regularly sleep with moderators, you should try it, some of them are quite large.
(BTW, did you have to scroll through 5 pages of crap when you got here to get some content? Those were the idiots and have since been flamed, so I figure they'll stop now. First time I've been called a "ponce" though...hehe, after looking it up my earlier comment isn't so funny now. How's the weather in jolly ole England?)
read the front page story in USA Today today (dead tree). It is about the iCraveTV lawsuit, and you'll see more people who want a massively regulated Internet.(they also misspelled Valenti (the MPAA dude), at least/. can fix 'em on the fly:-)
but for many USWest !nterprise customers yesterday half or so of the internet was "down".
I've noticed this too, being a USWest Megabit subscriber. Any links to sites that give a bit more detail than the ITR (hmm, the current index for N. America is pretty (s)low, looks like it took a hit about 7a.m.)
He's taking advantage of the fact that I do not want to read Katz' crap.
No he's using his site to promote it's only source of professional content (outside the readers/posters). Maybe it's the fact that is *impossible* to read Katz content without the crap, and today it just pissed my off. Both articles (which are special) had about 5 pages of crap talking about how much people were mad that they saw an article about an author they had blocked. What they didn't realize is that OHMYGOD, 1) is a book review and basically a follow-up to an old/. story (the Rolling Stone article) and 2) is an interview with the guy a whole bunch of folks don't respect.
And because of the way/. works (and some unfortunate moderation, your original post was so off-topic as to be laughable) I have to read all the bitching and whining, and now everyone who loads this article see this crap.
hmm, I'm taking this way too seriously, but/. is worth defending.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for not totally understanding my stance on this.
Thanks, but I do, and I think you're wrong. I don't post to articles that I don't think are interesting or I have nothing to say other than "I don't think this article is interesting/appropriate".
If you have a personal probelm with Katz, or the way the/. team runs their site, tell them, not us.
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No, it's because Ford has realized that our current economic boom can be traced to one place...all the digital slaves that now do the work of millions. By making people more computer literate in general it will help the company in a wide variety of ways; lower training/support costs, new ideas, higher morale, free advertising....
read the above for a textbook reply to pushy lawyers.
my fav part
Since you provided a short deadline of 10 days and I will need time to provide your response to my attorney, have him review the information, discuss the matter, and provide a response, please provide an answer within 24 hours via return e-mail.
which is especially funny after he cites three court cases and a demonstated knowledge of how the domain system "works".
hmmmm, smart drinks....
As to your idea of multiple successive universes, that is certainly within the bounds of possibility, but since any given universe would not be observable from within another one and they aredivided by discontinuities (singularities), one cannot possibly have an effect on another.
/.
That doesn't matter though. Having an effect on one another is immaterial. What I am getting at is that one way or another 1) both time and space are infinite, 2) chaos happens, and 3) eventually two people will discuss it on
I just don't see a need to cowtow to an unprovable supernatural being and his earthly servants, given those circumstances.
Dunno where the elephants, turtle, and frisbees come in, but to each to his own.:-) I just like talking about it, later.
doh, I didn't realize they violated the special laws that Reagan(?) put in, "Airline workers can't strike."
Encrypt your shit or have everyone else smell it when you decide stand up for yourself.
um, so if I talk bad about my company, they have the right to come into my home, steal my diary, personal correspondence, violate copyright law (by copying mp3s, games), and basically take all my "intellectual property"?
I don't think you read it right, they weren't using company property, they don't even work on computers, they're flight attendants.
This is a bad precedent, downright scary if you ask me (which you didn't).
Here's another version, it seems asteroid mining angers interstellar warlords.
You mean you don't have those yet
He's prolly from Europe, I heard they haven't even been to the moon yet...
*retreats into Y2K shelter*
any good links on where to buy 'em? I think I get a paycheck right about that time and my 300 just ain't cuttin' it anymore.
Both space and time had a beginning, therefore to any actual observer both are finite because the ending time and the size of the universe are definite.
That makes a whole bunch of assumptions. As well as the assumption that this is the only Universe that will ever exist. Perhaps a thousand Universes were created and desroyed before this one. Is there any way to know? No, nor will there ever be from this perspective (inside the asylum)
Since we cannot see outside our own universe, nor stop the flow of time, for all intents and purposes, for us, Time and Space are both infinite.
So following the original question (in which someone professed their faith in God on the assumption that *someone* had to create us since random actions couldn't account for life) it would appear that given random occurence mixed with infinite time and space (or an infinite number of finite universes) the possibility of sentient life developing is at least 1.
It all gets us to the same place, I just prefer logic, science, and creative thought over blind faith and emotion.
Probably nobody's going to see this, but...
You can call me nobody if you want, but I prefer Wah.;)
Then again, it could be
a small band of hackers who are hopeing to
raise awareness about these things and
scare network admins and sysadmins into
beefing up security internet-wide.
You just have to look at who benefits mosts. Seems to me it could either be the gov't (hoping for more surviellance rights), a hacking group (l0pht is for profit now, eh?), or even some really enterprising young geek pissed at the world or just curious about it.
I just hope folks don't panic, but watching CNN's talkback live (an interview with Mitnick no less, what a dork) it seems like thats where the media wants to push it, surprise, surprise. If no other news happens this week, expect a whole bunch of idiots to spread a whole buncha FUD about the whole thing.
I hate to break it to you, but the 6.1 installer has that option for both text and GUI too. You just have to install in expert mode to be given it.
:-\
you can also get to it by having the X autoconfig fail.
Jamie,
These are the types of initiative you need to be pushing. Quit the negative campaigning about censorware, that's too technical a route for most people to comprehend. Go with common sense (high visibility, high traffic, near the librarian) over children protecting panic (remember: women can lift cars if their baby is in trouble).
A different technical solution (i.e. multiple logins/profiles) might also be in order, but it seems obvious that just attacking a proposal already on the table is going to be a failure. You need to push an alternative agenda, while at the same time explainging why filterware is often bad idea.
heck, you don't even need multiple boxes just different usernames.
Username : child
Password : child
Blocking software : On and in charge
Username : Adult
Password : (changes every week, ask librarian)
Blocking software : nowhere to be found, like it should be on a public terminal in a free country.
It's like Homer said "Here's to alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems." Just replace alcohol with technology and you have a hell of a mixer.
Interesting post
Privacy is not Liberty, and neither is Freedom.
I'll agree with this. I also agree with the draw of Riki or Jerry and even Jenni, is the unfettered view into someone's life. Sometimes it's just for the opportunity to look down at them, but mostly it's just fun to see how other people are dealing with life in a raw format.
Privacy is a wierd thing. First off, you don't have a whole lot of privacy about your demographic (age,sex,location) info, and most likely your behavioural info either (what you buy, hobbies, etc). You'll have to trust me on this, basically 'cause I use this stuff every day. With an address and a name I can probably tell you what kind of car your drive, your religion, political affiliation, magazines you read, how many kids you have, age, sex, etc. etc.
Like any other tool, its "goodness" or "badness" is based upon the use and the why. This information allows a less well financed company to reach the same number of highly potential customers without resorting to mass marketing. Collecting this info makes our economy more efficient as less money is wasted getting a message to people who will *never* buy your product (like all those AOL cd's, they need a "uses Linux" killfile).
However the potential for abuse is high. The potential for annoyance to customers is extremely high. Such is the trade-off.
I was actually thinking the other day of creating some type of Open Consumer Database, where you log in, set your preferences, info, product interests, and get kickbacks when somebody buys a subset of the list, perhaps on an annual basis. While tightly controlling what companies get access to the info, but allowing individuals to freely update or remove their information.
Recent developements will most likely make a lot of you happy (States will soon not be allowed to sell driver registration info, which is one of the foundations that your profile is built upon) yet this action will just make info collecting that much more expensive, less accurate, and in the end you get more spam (in your mailbox, or over your telephone) (BTW, this law was created in a "save the children" type environment, a stalker had accessed driving records and hunted dwon
Of course they could also buy your profile from Doublclick, which, after buying Abacus, associates online traffic patterns with real-world buying habits. (plus a whole bunch of other juicy stuff)
Dunno where I'm heading with this, but you are and have been targeted since you were young. And you will be until you die. Understanding this for what it is, can be a tremendous leap toward making it a non-factor in your life, allowing the freedom of thought and action that so many of us hold deal.
Anyway, enough ranting for the morning. I should do some work.
good idea...
stop posting for a while and you'll get mod points (it happens whenever I go offline for a few days or more).
There has a been a lot more moderating down, but that's because of the exponential growth in trolling. There's an entire sub-culture down there and they're having a blast, so I don't think it's gonna stop soon. We need more mod points in general and a higher score threshold, there are *way* more than 6 levels of quality to the posts here.
Me go college (from above link)
"Once you're done," says student ***** **, "you push 'submit.' They ask, 'Are you sure?' and you say, 'Yes, submit.' And then, one minute later, they send the score right back to you because it's all automatic."
If the universe turns out to be flat, then time will indeed be infinite, but not to any real-world frame of reference.
;)
By "real world" frame of reference, I assume you mean someone exterior to the whole thing observing it?
So yes, to "God" space and time are finite, but not for us. We can't get outside of reality.
Clear up that "real world" bit for me, and I can go further...
See, Katz threads *can* be interesting (if constantly rehashed
Times not infinite, eh? When does it end? Explain that. Same thing for space. Actually the data (the whole flat universe thing) seems to suggest that space IS infinite, i.e. there is always another horizon.
The only relation it bears to the real world in is its creation, this is a religion thread after all, eh?
My conclusion was that Random Chance was insufficient to create me, hence God must exist.
How about random chance mixed with infinite time and space?
no, I just hate to be associated with such assholes. I got the score because I regularly sleep with moderators, you should try it, some of them are quite large.
(BTW, did you have to scroll through 5 pages of crap when you got here to get some content? Those were the idiots and have since been flamed, so I figure they'll stop now. First time I've been called a "ponce" though...hehe, after looking it up my earlier comment isn't so funny now. How's the weather in jolly ole England?)
read the front page story in USA Today today (dead tree). It is about the iCraveTV lawsuit, and you'll see more people who want a massively regulated Internet.(they also misspelled Valenti (the MPAA dude), at least /. can fix 'em on the fly :-)
but for many USWest !nterprise customers yesterday half or so of the internet was "down".
I've noticed this too, being a USWest Megabit subscriber. Any links to sites that give a bit more detail than the ITR (hmm, the current index for N. America is pretty (s)low, looks like it took a hit about 7a.m.)
He's taking advantage of the fact that I do not want to read Katz' crap.
/. story (the Rolling Stone article) and 2) is an interview with the guy a whole bunch of folks don't respect.
/. works (and some unfortunate moderation, your original post was so off-topic as to be laughable) I have to read all the bitching and whining, and now everyone who loads this article see this crap.
/. is worth defending.
/. team runs their site, tell them, not us.
No he's using his site to promote it's only source of professional content (outside the readers/posters). Maybe it's the fact that is *impossible* to read Katz content without the crap, and today it just pissed my off. Both articles (which are special) had about 5 pages of crap talking about how much people were mad that they saw an article about an author they had blocked. What they didn't realize is that OHMYGOD, 1) is a book review and basically a follow-up to an old
And because of the way
hmm, I'm taking this way too seriously, but
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for not totally understanding my stance on this.
Thanks, but I do, and I think you're wrong. I don't post to articles that I don't think are interesting or I have nothing to say other than "I don't think this article is interesting/appropriate".
If you have a personal probelm with Katz, or the way the
You're excused.
"We" was used in the broadest sense, i.e. "consumers". I didn't have a litte Web campaign and I do feel good about myself.
As you were.