Think more along the line of Galaxies and Universes. The Internet is Flat, without definable boundaries, and our current assumption is it will expand forever. Links are wormholes, bandwidth is heat, and/. is a black hole.
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from the article Modern man's patterns of what researchers call information foraging turn out to be just as habitual as his ancestors': he follows the sent, hunts in packs and returns to familiar ground as often as possible.
So is Google a shotgun or a spear? This metaphor is way too wide, it can apply to almost any human behaviour, including human behaviour as a whole.
Right now, the average user pulls up a mere three pages per website (and as most news sites will tell you, their stickiness is measured in seconds)
(see above/. as black hole observation)
I don't think of the Internet itself as life, but as a place where other life exists, bots, daemons, streams, etc. This type of life (existing only as a electonic impulses (which could, I guess, be said of people too)) and don't operate under the same rules as the rest of us. I would love to see that movie of the Internet's growth, that would be cool.
American Beauty is my pick for best pic. This movie is a tight and strong criticism of the blind consumerism preached 24/hrs a day on most media outlets in this country.
The Green Mile is the best Stephen King book in a while, much in the easy-going storytelling style of Stand By Me. I'm looking forward to the movie.
Dogma seems suspect from what I've heard, sounds like Kevin Smith sould out a bit early. And I usually get my Christian bashing from South Park (BTW, last night's Christ and Santa singing a medley of Christmas songs in the first person was a ROTFL few minutes, "Away in a manger no crib for my bed." hehe)
There are other, more appropriate forums and methods of expressing concerns than blocking up a city and starting riots.
But very few that can be as immediately effective as a protest. You obviously don't grasp the usefulness of being in somesone's face. I would assume after being on a mission you would understand how it is much more difficult to say "No" to a person's face than it is over the phone, or to a letter, or an e-mail.
..., these rioters knowingly put themselves in a position... I have no sympathy for these (cough) people.
Too bad, I hope someday you don't feel the need to make your opinion heard. And if you do, I hope, for your sake, the world at large is more open-minded than you appear to be.
Given recent accounts of police brutality (in NYC, for example), it would make some sense to not be in the area where a protest might happen--especially as a participant.
Yea, running and hiding is usually a great way to get things changed. Obviously the police (since they're wearing uniforms) are entitled to do whatever is necessary to maintain the status quo.
The most commonly accepted form is greasing a politician. Call it campaign finance. Call it graft...You can buy a politician. And it is perfectly peaceful
Well, tithe your money to Sen. Hatch and go for it. Interesting how your solution is exactly the type of behaviour the protesters are protesting against. You obviously don't get it, in more ways than one.
adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
An another poster mentioned that in the U.S. strong crypto is considered a munition, i.e. something that would be useful in time of war. If this guy advocated giving this "weapon" to all comers (which would include enemies of the state) then he is very much "giving them Aid and Comfort". I still don't agree with it (the actions of the FBI or the crypto classification) but then again I don't deal with issues of national security on a daily basis and, as such, have no basis for profound paranoia.
A decidedly western concept, "the Zone", can be roughly the same thing. It is a state of oneness. Of being. Achievable in nearly all forms of action, including simple inaction (meditation). A fun place to be, but I wouldn't want to live there. (The stark realization of being in the zone usually happens at the same time you come out of it)
form Piers Anthony has a character than does this.
"Bearing an Hourglass" IIRC.
Basically all the gods of yore are roles taken over by mortals of various means (Death, War, Nature, Time, Fate).
While the Time guy does have the power to stop time he has the curse of having to live backwards, effectively starting at his current age and continuing until he turns into a baby then disappears. The book actually had Satan lead him to an anti-matter field where he could live his life "normally". Some light fiction.
Regardless, I think it quite likely that such matter exists. Remember the Universe is a very big, very old place, all sort of strange things have happened (cough*life*cough) and most anything is possible, so...
I agree, we need a Constitutional Amendment and I think you have the wording right or close to it. Now where's my quill?
I think "personal knowledge" is a perfect term, one who's definition could take 200 years to fathom.
because the Chinese government figured out how to numb their population: they're getting them hooked on the same drug as Americans, materialism.
An interesting way to put it. And accurate, something that you work hard far, spend money on, and provides intense yet fleeting feelings of pleasure, quickly replaced by a longing for more. Yup that's cra^H^H^Hmaterialism. I still wanna new PC though, maybe I should see somebody..:)
but this is nothing like the info we can get in America. Trust me, it's easy. If anyone wants to submit an address I can tell you all sorts of generalities about you and the people you live with. With a few list appends I can find your phone number, car you drive, annual income, marital status, etc. etc. etc. All of this information is out there and for sale (Mostly from credit companies, they keep *very* up to date records). The company I work for buys it all the time. We do marketing. We figure out the right audience and reach them. It's rather scientific actually.
There really isn't that much to fear. There is a margin of error that will always exists. If you try hard enough you can reach it. Most list companies (as we call them) are receptive to individual requesting removal, there aren't that many. You need to realize (as much as many of you hate it) that marketing makes markets more efficient, and the U.S. (and it looks like Aussieland too) use free-market economies. This information, en masse, is worth money and so a market develops. There are limits to the information available, but nothing that couldn't be obtained from a decent private eye, to help put it in perspective.
and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land
I didn't say it "overrode" the Constitution, I said it "amended" it.
By standardizing things like IP law in international treaties you can dismiss that whole "public good" idea. You also miss things like "media attention" and "public outrage." How many people know Disney lobbied Congress to change the law directly to serve their interests?
Let's say you have a complex job that needs doing. It has too many random elements to trust to a computer yet is too repetitive to interest people. So you build a machine that can interface with a brain to get the job done. Now all you need is a brain, sure some folks might want to donate theirs, but not likely, so you head (!) to the black market and buy a nice kid absconded from the streets in Iowa. Presto, a dedicated loyal worker for your mines, or your deep sea exploration, or your war.
It's scary because the unknown is scary. And even scarier is that unknown people will use the unknown to do unknown (until it's too late) things.
Maybe having a brain directly control a computer isn't too far from a computer directly controlling a brain.
A slightly skewed view of profiling. Watching the local nightly news last week let me see a "warning" basically stating that *every* person in a car had to wear a safely belt (under4 in safety seat) and if you don't Police have full authority to pull you over and question you. This gives police the chance to act as a "border guard" and basically harass the hell out of minorities until they leave.
To try and tie this to the topic, setting up profiling (no seatbelts = malcontent) tools helps to divide and conquer undesired people/behaviours. Of course when it was the dividing and conquering (outcast/bullying) that caused the undesired behaviour (outcast/being bullied) you can see how well this works as a solution.
and $1300 for the low-end. Roughly on par with another Linux based specially computer, Cobalt's Qube. Here's a link
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IIRC, international treaties also amend the Constitution or at least have the same authoritye. I hate treaties like this because I know that the public good is the furthest thing from the writers mind. And, unfortunately, paying attention to these subjects is the furthest thing from the public's mind at large. The only people paying attention are those that can profit from the situation, and, most likely, they are paying a lot more than just attention.
Love is a strong word there, to require of a social contract.
It's the right word. When the world is that dark it can matter so much that someone, anyone, is paying attention and cares about your pain. Requiring a social contract is essential if you want to keep that person a part of society. This should, and usually does, come from the home, but in today's America that is far from assured. Is it the place of public schools to provide that support? Outside institutions?
Any links/ideas to what "they" do after a geek is profiled? (and I would have hit the points outlined above dead-on in high school, although I didn't play Quake until college:) That, IMHO, is the important part.
As long as we can all create our own little places along the roadside (i.e. as long as they don't liscense THAT) then nothing else will really matter. There will *always* be places for people like "you", and if there aren't you can create them.
And Slashdot readers obviously subscribe to discussions like debian-legal, so the distance between a hasty mailing list post and the front page of a national newspaper can be as little as two clicks.
This is both true and very neat. Not that I'm famous, but the same thing (kinda) happened to me. The Internet makes control of digital media impossible, so things like this are bound to happen. As long as everything is sorted out in a reasonable time, what's the damage? There SO VERY MUCH information available, shouldn't it now be second nature to question everything you read, or at least wait for confirmation. I'm as guilty as the next party in jumping to rabid conclusions, that's emotion working, but before longterm opinions and biases set in I at least look for a confirming source.
That being said I would like to compliment slashdot on what I found yesterday. (check my homepage if you don't understand) Get out your random string generators and you can have your precious small BBS done/. style. Personally I like having access to firsthand opinions/reactions of 100,000 geeks sorted by "goodness", and although there are advantages to being able to have a beer with your entire connected circle, there is strength in numbers. Even if that strength is only used to get to the bottom of a story.
Slashdot Mirror
Are in no way related to how the Internet works.
/. is a black hole.
/. as black hole observation)
Think more along the line of Galaxies and Universes. The Internet is Flat, without definable boundaries, and our current assumption is it will expand forever. Links are wormholes, bandwidth is heat, and
--
from the article
Modern man's patterns of what researchers call information foraging turn out to be just as habitual as his ancestors': he follows the sent, hunts in packs and returns to familiar ground as often as possible.
So is Google a shotgun or a spear? This metaphor is way too wide, it can apply to almost any human behaviour, including human behaviour as a whole.
Right now, the average user pulls up a mere three pages per website (and as most news sites will tell you, their stickiness is measured in seconds)
(see above
I don't think of the Internet itself as life, but as a place where other life exists, bots, daemons, streams, etc. This type of life (existing only as a electonic impulses (which could, I guess, be said of people too)) and don't operate under the same rules as the rest of us. I would love to see that movie of the Internet's growth, that would be cool.
Click Here for CIA homepage.
How many licks does it take to get to the center on a tootsie roll pop?
American Beauty is my pick for best pic. This movie is a tight and strong criticism of the blind consumerism preached 24/hrs a day on most media outlets in this country.
The Green Mile is the best Stephen King book in a while, much in the easy-going storytelling style of Stand By Me. I'm looking forward to the movie.
Dogma seems suspect from what I've heard, sounds like Kevin Smith sould out a bit early. And I usually get my Christian bashing from South Park (BTW, last night's Christ and Santa singing a medley of Christmas songs in the first person was a ROTFL few minutes, "Away in a manger no crib for my bed." hehe)
There are other, more appropriate forums and methods of expressing concerns than blocking up a city and starting riots.
..., these rioters knowingly put themselves in a position... I have no sympathy for these (cough) people.
But very few that can be as immediately effective as a protest. You obviously don't grasp the usefulness of being in somesone's face. I would assume after being on a mission you would understand how it is much more difficult to say "No" to a person's face than it is over the phone, or to a letter, or an e-mail.
Too bad, I hope someday you don't feel the need to make your opinion heard. And if you do, I hope, for your sake, the world at large is more open-minded than you appear to be.
Given recent accounts of police brutality (in NYC, for example), it would make some sense to not be in the area where a protest might happen--especially as a participant.
Yea, running and hiding is usually a great way to get things changed. Obviously the police (since they're wearing uniforms) are entitled to do whatever is necessary to maintain the status quo.
The most commonly accepted form is greasing a politician. Call it campaign finance. Call it graft...You can buy a politician. And it is perfectly peaceful
Well, tithe your money to Sen. Hatch and go for it. Interesting how your solution is exactly the type of behaviour the protesters are protesting against. You obviously don't get it, in more ways than one.
You missed the important part..
adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
An another poster mentioned that in the U.S. strong crypto is considered a munition, i.e. something that would be useful in time of war. If this guy advocated giving this "weapon" to all comers (which would include enemies of the state) then he is very much "giving them Aid and Comfort". I still don't agree with it (the actions of the FBI or the crypto classification) but then again I don't deal with issues of national security on a daily basis and, as such, have no basis for profound paranoia.
"He's in the Zone, babee!"
A decidedly western concept, "the Zone", can be roughly the same thing. It is a state of oneness. Of being. Achievable in nearly all forms of action, including simple inaction (meditation). A fun place to be, but I wouldn't want to live there. (The stark realization of being in the zone usually happens at the same time you come out of it)
form Piers Anthony has a character than does this.
"Bearing an Hourglass" IIRC.
Basically all the gods of yore are roles taken over by mortals of various means (Death, War, Nature, Time, Fate).
While the Time guy does have the power to stop time he has the curse of having to live backwards, effectively starting at his current age and continuing until he turns into a baby then disappears. The book actually had Satan lead him to an anti-matter field where he could live his life "normally". Some light fiction.
Regardless, I think it quite likely that such matter exists. Remember the Universe is a very big, very old place, all sort of strange things have happened (cough*life*cough) and most anything is possible, so...
Yes, on Oct 7, 15,456,239,683 at approximately 7:45 in the a.m.
and end this before it gets silly, non-issue.
I agree, we need a Constitutional Amendment and I think you have the wording right or close to it.
Now where's my quill?
I think "personal knowledge" is a perfect term, one who's definition could take 200 years to fathom.
because the Chinese government figured out how to numb their population: they're getting them hooked on the same drug as Americans, materialism.
An interesting way to put it. And accurate, something that you work hard far, spend money on, and provides intense yet fleeting feelings of pleasure, quickly replaced by a longing for more. Yup that's cra^H^H^Hmaterialism. I still wanna new PC though, maybe I should see somebody..:)
but this is nothing like the info we can get in America. Trust me, it's easy. If anyone wants to submit an address I can tell you all sorts of generalities about you and the people you live with. With a few list appends I can find your phone number, car you drive, annual income, marital status, etc. etc. etc. All of this information is out there and for sale (Mostly from credit companies, they keep *very* up to date records). The company I work for buys it all the time. We do marketing. We figure out the right audience and reach them. It's rather scientific actually.
There really isn't that much to fear. There is a margin of error that will always exists. If you try hard enough you can reach it. Most list companies (as we call them) are receptive to individual requesting removal, there aren't that many. You need to realize (as much as many of you hate it) that marketing makes markets more efficient, and the U.S. (and it looks like Aussieland too) use free-market economies. This information, en masse, is worth money and so a market develops. There are limits to the information available, but nothing that couldn't be obtained from a decent private eye, to help put it in perspective.
and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land
I didn't say it "overrode" the Constitution, I said it "amended" it.
By standardizing things like IP law in international treaties you can dismiss that whole "public good" idea. You also miss things like "media attention" and "public outrage." How many people know Disney lobbied Congress to change the law directly to serve their interests?
but it's a big IF, IMHO.
Let's say you have a complex job that needs doing. It has too many random elements to trust to a computer yet is too repetitive to interest people. So you build a machine that can interface with a brain to get the job done. Now all you need is a brain, sure some folks might want to donate theirs, but not likely, so you head (!) to the black market and buy a nice kid absconded from the streets in Iowa. Presto, a dedicated loyal worker for your mines, or your deep sea exploration, or your war.
It's scary because the unknown is scary. And even scarier is that unknown people will use the unknown to do unknown (until it's too late) things.
Maybe having a brain directly control a computer isn't too far from a computer directly controlling a brain.
A slightly skewed view of profiling. Watching the local nightly news last week let me see a "warning" basically stating that *every* person in a car had to wear a safely belt (under4 in safety seat) and if you don't Police have full authority to pull you over and question you.
This gives police the chance to act as a "border guard" and basically harass the hell out of minorities until they leave.
To try and tie this to the topic, setting up profiling (no seatbelts = malcontent) tools helps to divide and conquer undesired people/behaviours. Of course when it was the dividing and conquering (outcast/bullying) that caused the undesired behaviour (outcast/being bullied) you can see how well this works as a solution.
and $1300 for the low-end. Roughly on par with another Linux based specially computer, Cobalt's Qube. Here's a link
IIRC, international treaties also amend the Constitution or at least have the same authoritye. I hate treaties like this because I know that the public good is the furthest thing from the writers mind. And, unfortunately, paying attention to these subjects is the furthest thing from the public's mind at large. The only people paying attention are those that can profit from the situation, and, most likely, they are paying a lot more than just attention.
Love is a strong word there, to require of a social contract.
It's the right word. When the world is that dark it can matter so much that someone, anyone, is paying attention and cares about your pain. Requiring a social contract is essential if you want to keep that person a part of society. This should, and usually does, come from the home, but in today's America that is far from assured. Is it the place of public schools to provide that support? Outside institutions?
Any links/ideas to what "they" do after a geek is profiled? (and I would have hit the points outlined above dead-on in high school, although I didn't play Quake until college:) That, IMHO, is the important part.
As long as we can all create our own little places along the roadside (i.e. as long as they don't liscense THAT) then nothing else will really matter. There will *always* be places for people like "you", and if there aren't you can create them.
first...
/. style. Personally I like having access to firsthand opinions/reactions of 100,000 geeks sorted by "goodness", and although there are advantages to being able to have a beer with your entire connected circle, there is strength in numbers. Even if that strength is only used to get to the bottom of a story.
And Slashdot readers obviously subscribe to discussions like debian-legal, so the distance between a hasty mailing list post and the front page of a national newspaper can be as little as two clicks.
This is both true and very neat. Not that I'm famous, but the same thing (kinda) happened to me. The Internet makes control of digital media impossible, so things like this are bound to happen. As long as everything is sorted out in a reasonable time, what's the damage? There SO VERY MUCH information available, shouldn't it now be second nature to question everything you read, or at least wait for confirmation. I'm as guilty as the next party in jumping to rabid conclusions, that's emotion working, but before longterm opinions and biases set in I at least look for a confirming source.
That being said I would like to compliment slashdot on what I found yesterday. (check my homepage
if you don't understand) Get out your random string generators and you can have your precious small BBS done
enough.
congrats, AC, you've officially caused me to set my threshhold to 1, bu-bye now. No, bu-bye. That's great, bu-bye. Really, now, bu-bye.
ACs to the right of me,
ACs to the left of me..
(puns intended)
... Balloon Observations Of Millimetric Extragalactic Radiation ANd Geophysics!!
This can't help but catch on with the kids...
..you don't have access to guns do you? hmm, christian fundamentalist, uh-oh.
:-)
When people start to attribute their actions to outside forces things get scary. You do make a good joke though.
get a login so I can recognize you. Surely as a good Christian you realize the value of knowing the source of Information or Argument.