18. Currently there are no products, nor are there likely to be any in the near future, that a significant percentage of consumers world-wide could substitute for Intel-compatible PC operating systems without incurring substantial costs.
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19. Consumers could not turn from Intel-compatible PC operating systems to Intel- compatible server operating systems without incurring substantial costs, since the latter type of system is sold at a significantly higher price than the former. A consumer intent on acquiring a server operating system would also have to buy a computer of substantially greater power and price than an Intel-compatible PC, because server operating systems generally cannot function properly on PC hardware.
Specifically, it has increased the likelihood that a browser crash will cause the entire system to crash and made it easier for malicious viruses that penetrate the system via Internet Explorer to infect non-browsing parts of the system."
this is dead-on. outlook express, melissa, ie5 holes, etc..
Way to stop innovation Judge Jacko.
sorry but that's what JudgeJ said about your boss.
18. Currently there are no products, nor are there likely to be any in the near future, that a significant percentage of consumers world-wide could substitute for Intel-compatible PC operating systems without incurring substantial costs.
Freedom to innovate, my ass. I can't stop smiling. Now let's see how well the courts take it. I know one place you'll see it immediately...Wall Street. From all those "M$ accounting faux paus" comments I gleaned that each point of M$ stock is ~$6,000,000,000. Watch it drop 20 points...
(I'm watching CNBC, and they're just now reading it. I think/. will have the best commentary on this around, so try to keep the biases as home.)
JudgeJ also mentioned that M$ made it a "jolting" experience to change browsers, a very big deal to him.
Should be fun to watch, just try not to panic, it's the downfall of the sentient, M$ was down 1-3/4 when I started writing this post, it's down 3-1/6 now. That's in after hours trading. Now they have a guy from caldera talking about Linux, so I'll post this.
or walking out of it. Make the house be your typical suburbia image. Illustrate graphically that Linux has come from the Virtual Garages of thousands of worldwide developers. "The Next Big Thing" is overused but text to that effect would be nice. "The Ensuing Large Object" or sum such.
This is why. Every day it gets bigger, more robust, and more difficult to stop. Eventually MS will have to bow out to Linux not because Linux will declare war on Windows, but because Windows will simply pale in comparison.
Eventually no one (outside the hardcore geeks) wil l use anything other that IE because that's what works on all the web (if current trends continue and they ARE moving this way). A computer without the 'Net is fairly useless (IMHO), the best way the access the 'Net is through a browser. The browser becomes the most important part of the machine. M$ has realized this and is pushing hard to make the browser the OS and build special hooks so that IE/IIS/Windows is the only way to really access the 'Net. Having surfed the 'Net extensively on both browser on both platforms there is No Question that M$ has a superior product with VASTLY superior third-party support.
You see, one of the most important differences between Windows and Linux is that Windows is all smoke and mirrors (marketing) whereas Linux is an product that is actually well made and capable of delivering on its promises. The public will grow tired of the illusion sooner or later, its all a matter of time.
Every TV show/Movie you have ever enjoyed is mostly smoke and mirrors. Most people DON'T CARE and are more than happy to use smoke and mirrors. Besides, windows (despite it's very many flaws) does work most of the time. I'm a gamer and the doze does games great.
The article illustrated a very good point, people want stuff that "just works", when sites don't they get frustrated and will go back to the herd. Having the pre-eminent browser is the first huge step to desktop acceptance. If you don't want that, then this argument is moot anyway.
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what? popular cartoon characters sodomizing one another, engaging in violent behaviour, and abusing drugs isn't condoned at your office? hehe, those were rather explicit.
... they have a good product and I would guess pretty solid margins. They are doing all the config and setup for dedicated web boxes. I have one doing, DHCP, NAT, DNS, firewall, webserving, e-mail, all with what amounts to a point and click interface (and a bit of hand tweaking). My box has been up for 5 months solid after one reboot (my bad) out of it's box.
I think the Home Web Server(tm) will become more common as families set up their own e-mail boxes, and a family web-page on a dedicated pipe. Since the same box can also serve to share a 'Net connection and act as a firewall it's quite a deal. Plus, and this is a big plus, they look dang cool, especially in the dark. (I'm talking about the Qube not the Raq)
Good product + looks cool + runs Linux = big IPO
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Yes a number of professtions (big law firms?) make the young pups do all the crap for a a year or two before they realize how much they are doing is worth, once you have that figured out you can reach a more equitable arrangement.
exactly, they didn't put him in prison (or did they?!?!), they had someone talk to him. Replace the professional law employment officer at schools with a professional therapist. Pay 'em with federal money taken from the War on Drugs (except alchohol and cigarettes(and viagra(old), prozac(middle), and ritalin(young)))
The above poster made me think that Stallman is relatively hypocritical.
And he (IMHO) would think not. Peaceful civil disobedience to achieve a (roughly) political goal, that's all that is being advocated. As far as suing under the GPL goes, this is civil obedience to achieve the same goal.
He is not hypocritical because he is always moving towards the goal, within and without the current law. Using your "enemies" law against them (the GPL,a.k.a the Anti-License License) is a common tactic of the underdog.
But the blind shouldn't try to force AOL. If they want to use the Internet they can use it quite efficiently without AOL. If the blind were a bit more geeky (or at least a couple of them were) they'd figure out the truly amazing part of the Internet and bring all those blind folks together. News for Ears, Stuff that Reverbs, or some such. Suing is not the answer and only adds more overhead for everyone else, which screws up the market trmendously.
I just wrote a rant about this for another story. Totally agreed here. Maybe we should limit the lawyer's cut to 10% and they pay court costs. Of course to do anything to change the system to limit these things would have to be done by and against lawyers, so that might prove a substantial obstacle.
and this is why. For every situation where somebody is wronged in the slightest a gaggle of lawyers wanders over, says "Don't worry about a thing, I'll talk care of you. It won't cost you a dime unless we win." Person says o.k., lawyer goes to work. Somehow the L proves that somebody made a mistake, caused mental anguish (which should NEVER be equated to money), and generally caused someone to have a bad day. Then they argue that these feeling shoulds be compensated with money (of which the L gets 1/3). This adds up so eventually you are trading bad feelings (which everyone gets everyday) for money, which usually represents something of actual value. Eventually you must move to a society where you can't hurt anyone feelings ('cause of the fsckin' liability) or do anything out of the ordinary without fear of being sued into oblivion.
Lawyers and thier greed are the single largest factor in the disintegration of rights and freedom in this country (US).
Unfortunately no one wants to stop suing. Even the originator of this thread, while ranting against restrictions caused by lawsuits, wants to sue the school and take more money because of the already ridiculous nature of the situation.
Anybody see the Southpark where they addressed this issue (schools getting sued for children playing around with each other, err, sexually harassing one another)? Laughing at the patently absurd is good therapy, but not a solution. What is?
Yup, it was called "Rage" and you can find it in the Bachman books with the Running Man and the Long Walk (a personal fav)
Basically a kid gets a handgun and decides to be heard for a little while. Sad to think that one of the most prolific and successful writers of this era is really a deranged sociopath that needs counseling or jailtime to help him conform to the blandness of normal society. Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had been stifled as a child?
That's not simple? Not simply wrong? CYA does not make its o.k. to put people in jail for writing fiction. But, but, but, the liability..fsck the liability.
Suddenly, this teacher would lose her job for not doing anything after such an obvious threat.
How about for overreacting to the nth degreee. Would a parent/teacher sitdown and talk meeting have accomplished much more. Panic is the downfall of sentient species. The teacher, principal and judge, all panicked (sp).
Actually it has everything to do with Columbine. It that hadn't happened this child wouldn't have been PUT IN JAIL for WRITING A STORY. Badly writing a story I should say.
...and got pissed. Thoughpolice are in effect, if you even think, or god forbid write, about doing doing something bad it will end you up in jail. Of course, this is only if you are someplace that doesn't respect human rights, like school.
Next you'll be buying the telephone companies and cable companies.
hate to break it to you but... You remember a guy called Paul Allen? Do a quick search on the name and see how much cable he has bought in the last two years. It's a big part of his company portfolio now.
from here: Just a year after entering the business, Allen has spent $19 billion in cash and assumed debt to turn Charter Communications into the fourth-largest U.S. cable operator, with 5.5 million subscribers.
Next you'll be buying the telephone companies and cable companies.
hate to break it to you but... You remember a guy called Paul Allen? Do a quick search on the name and see how much cable he has bought in the last two years. It's a big part of his company portfolio now.
"The arbitrary nature of the word filter and AOL's apparent lack of enforcement on its hate speech policies inflamed the gay community. " lol
A lot of that article points at the difficulty and inherent problems with filtering and censorship, mainly: If you take the first step and not the rest you become liable (one of the most abused words in English, IMHO) because you have taken responsibility.
Comments are owned by the Poster.
And the responsibility therein should be contained. In your above example (go here and kill him) the illegal post should be prosecuted, not removed and ignored. A follow-up post similar to "The Above post violates U.S law #yada yada, it's owner is currently being tracked and will be prosecuted." And then when he is it should be widely publicized. Public humiliation and jail/fines are often a useful deterrent for inapropriate public behaviour. i.e. punishing children for doing things wrong teaches them, ignoring them for doing things wrong makes it seem allright.
A few years down the road at least. Fatter pipes are coming, bigger drives are here. Even with my setup I can dedicate 5 gigs pretty easy, start a download and wait a day, voila Blockbuster go boom (no, I'm not on a school LAN).
The movie industry is in serious need of a housecleaning anyway. Whoa, look 3 new crappy movies, yippee!! (repeat every week). Personally I think this is poetic justice for the music/movie industries, they screw consumers when production costs go down and prices stay the same (but promotion costs seem to keep going up, maybe to offset the quality of the product..), we screw them when price and reproduction costs both move to zero. Serves them right for making me watch COMMERCIALS when I PAY to see a movie.
They will still have the box office and sales (a permanent physical backup for critical info is always a good idea) but I see no place for the present day rental system in the next millenium.
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18. Currently there are no products, nor are there likely to be any in the near future, that a significant percentage of consumers world-wide could substitute for Intel-compatible PC operating systems without incurring substantial costs.
and
19. Consumers could not turn from Intel-compatible PC operating systems to Intel- compatible server operating systems without incurring substantial costs, since the latter type of system is sold at a significantly higher price than the former. A consumer intent on acquiring a server operating system would also have to buy a computer of substantially greater power and price than an Intel-compatible PC, because server operating systems generally cannot function properly on PC hardware.
hmmmm. I guess my media-gx150 web server doesn't exist.
Linux makes these two "findings of fact" incorrect. How bad would it be if Linux helped overturn a ruling?
..hard at work protecting stock options.
Specifically, it has increased the likelihood that a browser crash will cause the entire system to crash and made it easier for malicious viruses that penetrate the system via Internet Explorer to infect non-browsing parts of the system."
this is dead-on. outlook express, melissa, ie5 holes, etc..
Way to stop innovation Judge Jacko.
sorry but that's what JudgeJ said about your boss.
(check this guys user info for a laugh)
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18. Currently there are no products, nor are there likely to be any in the near future, that a significant percentage of consumers world-wide could substitute for Intel-compatible PC operating systems without incurring substantial costs.
Maybe we should lay low for a while....
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/. will have the best commentary on this around, so try to keep the biases as home.)
"Liar, liar. Pants on fire."
Freedom to innovate, my ass. I can't stop smiling. Now let's see how well the courts take it. I know one place you'll see it immediately...Wall Street. From all those "M$ accounting faux paus" comments I gleaned that each point of M$ stock is ~$6,000,000,000. Watch it drop 20 points...
(I'm watching CNBC, and they're just now reading it. I think
JudgeJ also mentioned that M$ made it a "jolting" experience to change browsers, a very big deal to him.
Should be fun to watch, just try not to panic, it's the downfall of the sentient, M$ was down 1-3/4 when I started writing this post, it's down 3-1/6 now. That's in after hours trading. Now they have a guy from caldera talking about Linux, so I'll post this.
I'm partying about this tonite, be safe.
(First "real" Post?)
or walking out of it. Make the house be your typical suburbia image. Illustrate graphically that Linux has come from the Virtual Garages of thousands of worldwide developers. "The Next Big Thing" is overused but text to that effect would be nice. "The Ensuing Large Object" or sum such.
This is why.
Every day it gets bigger, more robust, and more difficult to stop. Eventually MS will have to bow out to Linux not because Linux will declare war on Windows, but because Windows will simply pale in comparison.
Eventually no one (outside the hardcore geeks) wil l use anything other that IE because that's what works on all the web (if current trends continue and they ARE moving this way). A computer without the 'Net is fairly useless (IMHO), the best way the access the 'Net is through a browser. The browser becomes the most important part of the machine. M$ has realized this and is pushing hard to make the browser the OS and build special hooks so that IE/IIS/Windows is the only way to really access the 'Net.
Having surfed the 'Net extensively on both browser on both platforms there is No Question that M$ has a superior product with VASTLY superior third-party support.
You see, one of the most important differences between Windows and Linux is that Windows is all smoke and mirrors (marketing) whereas Linux is an product that is actually well made and capable of delivering on its promises. The public will grow tired of the illusion sooner or later, its all a matter of time.
Every TV show/Movie you have ever enjoyed is mostly smoke and mirrors. Most people DON'T CARE and are more than happy to use smoke and mirrors. Besides, windows (despite it's very many flaws) does work most of the time. I'm a gamer and the doze does games great.
The article illustrated a very good point, people want stuff that "just works", when sites don't they get frustrated and will go back to the herd. Having the pre-eminent browser is the first huge step to desktop acceptance. If you don't want that, then this argument is moot anyway.
what? popular cartoon characters sodomizing one another, engaging in violent behaviour, and abusing drugs isn't condoned at your office? hehe, those were rather explicit.
... to pick between two (roughly) equivalent evils; M$ and the U.S. Government. :^)
... they have a good product and I would guess pretty solid margins. They are doing all the config and setup for dedicated web boxes. I have one doing, DHCP, NAT, DNS, firewall, webserving, e-mail, all with what amounts to a point and click interface (and a bit of hand tweaking). My box has been up for 5 months solid after one reboot (my bad) out of it's box.
I think the Home Web Server(tm) will become more common as families set up their own e-mail boxes, and a family web-page on a dedicated pipe. Since the same box can also serve to share a 'Net connection and act as a firewall it's quite a deal. Plus, and this is a big plus, they look dang cool, especially in the dark. (I'm talking about the Qube not the Raq)
Good product + looks cool + runs Linux = big IPO
Yes a number of professtions (big law firms?) make the young pups do all the crap for a a year or two before they realize how much they are doing is worth, once you have that figured out you can reach a more equitable arrangement.
exactly, they didn't put him in prison (or did they?!?!), they had someone talk to him. Replace the professional law employment officer at schools with a professional therapist. Pay 'em with federal money taken from the War on Drugs (except alchohol and cigarettes(and viagra(old), prozac(middle), and ritalin(young)))
The above poster made me think that Stallman is relatively hypocritical.
And he (IMHO) would think not. Peaceful civil disobedience to achieve a (roughly) political goal, that's all that is being advocated. As far as suing under the GPL goes, this is civil obedience to achieve the same goal.
He is not hypocritical because he is always moving towards the goal, within and without the current law. Using your "enemies" law against them (the GPL,a.k.a the Anti-License License) is a common tactic of the underdog.
But the blind shouldn't try to force AOL. If they want to use the Internet they can use it quite efficiently without AOL. If the blind were a bit more geeky (or at least a couple of them were) they'd figure out the truly amazing part of the Internet and bring all those blind folks together. News for Ears, Stuff that Reverbs, or some such. Suing is not the answer and only adds more overhead for everyone else, which screws up the market trmendously.
I just wrote a rant about this for another story. Totally agreed here. Maybe we should limit the lawyer's cut to 10% and they pay court costs. Of course to do anything to change the system to limit these things would have to be done by and against lawyers, so that might prove a substantial obstacle.
and this is why. For every situation where somebody is wronged in the slightest a gaggle of lawyers wanders over, says "Don't worry about a thing, I'll talk care of you. It won't cost you a dime unless we win." Person says o.k., lawyer goes to work. Somehow the L proves that somebody made a mistake, caused mental anguish (which should NEVER be equated to money), and generally caused someone to have a bad day. Then they argue that these feeling shoulds be compensated with money (of which the L gets 1/3). This adds up so eventually you are trading bad feelings (which everyone gets everyday) for money, which usually represents something of actual value. Eventually you must move to a society where you can't hurt anyone feelings ('cause of the fsckin' liability) or do anything out of the ordinary without fear of being sued into oblivion.
Lawyers and thier greed are the single largest factor in the disintegration of rights and freedom in this country (US).
Unfortunately no one wants to stop suing. Even the originator of this thread, while ranting against restrictions caused by lawsuits, wants to sue the school and take more money because of the already ridiculous nature of the situation.
Anybody see the Southpark where they addressed this issue (schools getting sued for children playing around with each other, err, sexually harassing one another)? Laughing at the patently absurd is good therapy, but not a solution. What is?
Yup, it was called "Rage" and you can find it in the Bachman books with the Running Man and the Long Walk (a personal fav)
Basically a kid gets a handgun and decides to be heard for a little while. Sad to think that one of the most prolific and successful writers of this era is really a deranged sociopath that needs counseling or jailtime to help him conform to the blandness of normal society. Wouldn't the world be a better place if he had been stifled as a child?
Putting a child in jail for writing a story.
That's not simple? Not simply wrong? CYA does not make its o.k. to put people in jail for writing fiction. But, but, but, the liability..fsck the liability.
Suddenly, this teacher would lose her job for not doing anything after such an obvious threat.
How about for overreacting to the nth degreee. Would a parent/teacher sitdown and talk meeting have accomplished much more. Panic is the downfall of sentient species. The teacher, principal and judge, all panicked (sp).
Actually it has everything to do with Columbine. It that hadn't happened this child wouldn't have been PUT IN JAIL for WRITING A STORY. Badly writing a story I should say.
...and got pissed. Thoughpolice are in effect, if you even think, or god forbid write, about doing doing something bad it will end you up in jail. Of course, this is only if you are someplace that doesn't respect human rights, like school.
Next you'll be buying the telephone companies and cable companies.
hate to break it to you but... You remember a guy called Paul Allen? Do a quick search on the name and see how much cable he has bought in the last two years. It's a big part of his company portfolio now.
from here:
Just a year after entering the business, Allen has spent $19 billion in cash and assumed debt to turn Charter Communications into the fourth-largest U.S. cable operator, with 5.5 million subscribers.
Next you'll be buying the telephone companies and cable companies.
hate to break it to you but... You remember a guy called Paul Allen? Do a quick search on the name and see how much cable he has bought in the last two years. It's a big part of his company portfolio now.
I like good ads too, but when I go to see Fight Club and I see ANOTHER GODDAM 1-8fsckin00 commercial before the movie starts, that bothers me.
Cool movie with a shitty ending and no consistent point.
Is Windows 95/98 a buggy operating system?
Yes, It doesn't work too well for computers, maybe it WOULD kick ass on the new buggys.
from the "banning" link above...
"The arbitrary nature of the word filter and AOL's apparent lack of enforcement on its hate speech policies inflamed the gay community. " lol
A lot of that article points at the difficulty and inherent problems with filtering and censorship, mainly: If you take the first step and not the rest you become liable (one of the most abused words in English, IMHO) because you have taken responsibility.
Comments are owned by the Poster.
And the responsibility therein should be contained. In your above example (go here and kill him) the illegal post should be prosecuted, not removed and ignored. A follow-up post similar to "The Above post violates U.S law #yada yada, it's owner is currently being tracked and will be prosecuted." And then when he is it should be widely publicized. Public humiliation and jail/fines are often a useful deterrent for inapropriate public behaviour. i.e. punishing children for doing things wrong teaches them, ignoring them for doing things wrong makes it seem allright.
A few years down the road at least. Fatter pipes are coming, bigger drives are here. Even with my setup I can dedicate 5 gigs pretty easy, start a download and wait a day, voila Blockbuster go boom (no, I'm not on a school LAN).
The movie industry is in serious need of a housecleaning anyway. Whoa, look 3 new crappy movies, yippee!! (repeat every week). Personally I think this is poetic justice for the music/movie industries, they screw consumers when production costs go down and prices stay the same (but promotion costs seem to keep going up, maybe to offset the quality of the product..), we screw them when price and reproduction costs both move to zero. Serves them right for making me watch COMMERCIALS when I PAY to see a movie.
They will still have the box office and sales (a permanent physical backup for critical info is always a good idea) but I see no place for the present day rental system in the next millenium.