You still have to test everything on all platforms. 99% of our apps are the back end anyway. The UI just makes it pretty for the end user. If it weren't necessary they would be all command line apps!
You just need to do a good bit of planning before implementation.
Windows: MFC front end, C++ back end Linux: gtk front end, same C++ back end OS X: obj c front end, same C++ back end
It's more work but every platform has nuances that users like. Unless it's a true native app your users will generally not like it. As my boss says "Make it pretty first, that's what sells. Make it work next." Unbelieveable but true.
Maybe when it has Photoshop, Shake, Final Cut, Illustrator, Quark, Acrobat, etc...
Web geeks and artists only make up a tiny portion of the desktop market. The VAST majority of desktop users have never even heard of most of those apps. Their availability on Linux is utterly irrelevant for 98% of the computing public.
How about Word, Excel, Changing Resolutions, Installing a Printer, Copying pictures off a camera,... I guess normal users don't use those features either, just us web geeks/artist types.
Then build me a form programmable pdf that does spell checking and has embedded javascript to check date entry fields.
Oh wait you mean it has Acrobat Reader? I meant Acrobat Professional. The reason Acrobat PDF Format is so popular is because you can read it on any platform. Creating them is a different story (See Windows, Mac OS).
Just it's less cost effective (maybe not for long).
I run Apache/Tomcat, qmail, mysql on my personal server at my house. When I booted up I forgot to put the extra ram I had lying around into it. Since I'm a typical lazy computer person I figured I'd be due for a reboot once I found something was messed up from my install. The funny thing is that it's been 6 months and the 2 extra 128mb sticks are setting on top of my server and it's running off 128mb with 8mb free. Granted it doesn't take a big load but I have 8 people using it as a mail server, it's my personal webserver and I do test mysql/jsp development on it. It's a pentium III 450 (the first one to come out in '99? slot 1) and it is a champ. So I took my server and didn't reinstall it as a server, it became my personal machine (It's a Dual Pentium III 933 with 1024MB RAM, RAID 0 (I backup frequently & mirror) 80GB of HD space). I really don't see the need to upgrade because my Business (read: mistake) Class DSL chokes on anything (1.5MB down 128Kb (notice the little b) upstream) and my pathetic computer is faster!
I guess the $500 price tag for OS X Server on top of the hardware cost is prohibitive to a very small shop like I have (lol, my company just got a huge contract so this won't be for long). I'm going to mirror on hostway and use them until a redundant T-1 is reasonable for my companies income.
OS X can run 99% of Linux apps. Linux can run 0% of OS X apps (unless you're running mac on linux which is the same thing as running mac on mac so I don't see the point).
X-11 Built in, BSD/UNIX core. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. Linux is a big reason I am where I am today (software developer, manager, sysadmin, etc). However, even though it has come a long damn way since the 0.98 Kernel and programming my own dot clocks for my graphics card/monitor, it still seems like there is no *professionally* done distro.
My grandma can install OS X, get her scanner, camera, printer, sound, internet, email working. The day she (or my mom) can do the same thing with a Linux distro I'll be very happy. Until then it's no contest.
I use Solaris 7-9, Windows 98-XP, Linux (2.2-2.4 based), Mac OS 9.2, Mac OS X (10.2), DOS 6.22/7.0 (MS/IBM) and WinCE/PocketPC 2000/2002 for my companies (I have 4 jobs right now). OS really doesn't mean much to me other than it's a new toy to learn. I like and hate things about all of them. Linux could be the biggest threat to OS X (not much to threaten) and Windows (believe me this does scare the shit out of Redmond). The only problem is a well done distro. If IBM would just get some nuts and drop AIX and focus all their attention on Linux, making a distro that *Just Works* like OS X. They could own the desktop once again. Now is the best opportunity in the next 20-30 years for this as most platforms are moving to 64bit and Intel dropped the ball (Itanic). I'm not sure it would necessarily be a good thing to have IBM as the defacto Monopoly but maybe they'd be better than the first time around (doubtful).
Oh well I guess the point is: Linux Good Mac OS Great
Maybe when it has Photoshop, Shake, Final Cut, Illustrator, Quark, Acrobat, etc...
Until then OS X has nothing to fear on the desktop.
Server side is completely different though. I run almost all Linux servers (one windows server and one sun server) but OS X kicks the shit out of Gnome/KDE/Enlightenment/etc... It's consistant, reliable and fast. Not to mention the coolest laptops around.
The Single 900MHz is 7,595 The Single 1.2GHz is 9,995 The DUAL 1.2GHZ is 13,995 (whoops off by 7.5%)
What about Dual 2.0GHz don't you understand? They may not have been in the same market before now. However, that will soon change (there is your clue). As far as the 106 CPU Version Cluster the XServes the same way Sun does it. I said Sun should be scared. They no longer have a lock on the 64bit market.
I guess things never change in your world. Look out someone may be moving your cheese.
Sun should be very scared. Their Dual 1.2GHz 64bit offering is $14,995. Ouch!
Too bad I have to wait until August to pick one up. Oh well I guess that gives me time to think up a good excuse for why I need one and my wife should be okay with it.
God & Faith are believing in the otherwise unbelievable simply because society dictates that is *right*.
All species on a boat! lol... We're all decended from Adam & Eve (btw women are evil otherwise we'd still be the lovely garden). Sounds like Arkansas to me.
Religion is the fear of the unknown personified by allowing people to buy their way to some groovie place in the sky. BTW Jesus was white and he traveled to America to chat with the American Indians too!
If a person tried to sell this shitty writing in any other way besides "religion" people would see right through it. Unfortunately most people cannot accept that they are worthless in the grand scheme of things without becoming a depressed individual.
Unbelieveable how inconsistant our laws are. Maybe they should have to re-pass every law or it expires. For example, those stupid ass inter-racial laws in the south, or consentual sodomy (oral-sex), or murder.
Obviously the good ones would be passed again and the stupid ass 1800's laws would expire and no longer be the grounds for police/legal harassment.
Currently a Dual 1.2GHz UltraSPARC III Blade 2000 goes for $14,995. I think it would be fair to assume a 800MHz jump per processor would run way more than $5000 so I was assuming low.
I love UltraSPARCs and have one myself. I just would rather get an XServe with Dual 2GHz 970s for 5,000-6,000 instead of a Sun Fire 280R with dual 1.2GHz processors for $20,000.
Now if Oracle would just get 9i out of RC stage and go live on 10.3 Panther!!!
There is a reason 64bit is better than 32bit, the same way 32bit is better than 16bit. It may take a while for the apps to catch up but it is impossible to utilize a 64bit processor before the damn thing exists.
If the Dual 2GHz is under $5000 I'll get one (this consides with my 30th birthday, what a present!). If it's more than that I'll wait on rev b. Or if they really shock me and release a 970 based Powerbook, that is what I'll get (price be damned).
Ah the joy of being a software developer. "But honey, I really need that new G5 to be current and keep my job." Little does she know I develop in.Net at work! lol;)
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I guess you don't have any hardware that needs drivers.
Win2003 which is 3 months old?
You never move to a new MS Server product until at least SP 1 and usually SP 4-5.
You want a pic? I've got an Apple G4 Tower, Sun Ultra 5 and 5 linux boxes.
I guess MS has a lot to do with solaris, oracle and java/jsp!
Whew... I was nervous there for a minute.
It's no where in site. Open a form drawn pdf and look at that mess of shit. It's not easy to imagine making that into a good pdf.
You'll be sorry. There is a reason Bill Gates is f'ing rich. Vulture mentality when it comes to competition.
This is where the entertainment industry tells them to go fly a kite.
I guess next bank robbers will be getting jobs delivering money to banks.
Kazaa can burn in hell.
You still have to test everything on all platforms. 99% of our apps are the back end anyway. The UI just makes it pretty for the end user. If it weren't necessary they would be all command line apps!
You just need to do a good bit of planning before implementation.
Windows: MFC front end, C++ back end
Linux: gtk front end, same C++ back end
OS X: obj c front end, same C++ back end
It's more work but every platform has nuances that users like. Unless it's a true native app your users will generally not like it. As my boss says "Make it pretty first, that's what sells. Make it work next." Unbelieveable but true.
everyone seems to think just because something is Open Source it is default GPL'ed.
Antitrust kind of fell into this trap (worst computer movie ever!).
He turns hyperthreading on but only counts one processor at 2ghz for the apple. Either leave them all on or all off.
That guy is a dipshit.
Maybe when it has Photoshop, Shake, Final Cut, Illustrator, Quark, Acrobat, etc...
... I guess normal users don't use those features either, just us web geeks/artist types.
Web geeks and artists only make up a tiny portion of the desktop market. The VAST majority of desktop users have never even heard of most of those apps. Their availability on Linux is utterly irrelevant for 98% of the computing public.
How about Word, Excel, Changing Resolutions, Installing a Printer, Copying pictures off a camera,
Then build me a form programmable pdf that does spell checking and has embedded javascript to check date entry fields.
Oh wait you mean it has Acrobat Reader? I meant Acrobat Professional. The reason Acrobat PDF Format is so popular is because you can read it on any platform. Creating them is a different story (See Windows, Mac OS).
Just it's less cost effective (maybe not for long).
I run Apache/Tomcat, qmail, mysql on my personal server at my house. When I booted up I forgot to put the extra ram I had lying around into it. Since I'm a typical lazy computer person I figured I'd be due for a reboot once I found something was messed up from my install. The funny thing is that it's been 6 months and the 2 extra 128mb sticks are setting on top of my server and it's running off 128mb with 8mb free. Granted it doesn't take a big load but I have 8 people using it as a mail server, it's my personal webserver and I do test mysql/jsp development on it. It's a pentium III 450 (the first one to come out in '99? slot 1) and it is a champ. So I took my server and didn't reinstall it as a server, it became my personal machine (It's a Dual Pentium III 933 with 1024MB RAM, RAID 0 (I backup frequently & mirror) 80GB of HD space). I really don't see the need to upgrade because my Business (read: mistake) Class DSL chokes on anything (1.5MB down 128Kb (notice the little b) upstream) and my pathetic computer is faster!
I guess the $500 price tag for OS X Server on top of the hardware cost is prohibitive to a very small shop like I have (lol, my company just got a huge contract so this won't be for long). I'm going to mirror on hostway and use them until a redundant T-1 is reasonable for my companies income.
OS X can run 99% of Linux apps.
Linux can run 0% of OS X apps (unless you're running mac on linux which is the same thing as running mac on mac so I don't see the point).
X-11 Built in, BSD/UNIX core. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. Linux is a big reason I am where I am today (software developer, manager, sysadmin, etc). However, even though it has come a long damn way since the 0.98 Kernel and programming my own dot clocks for my graphics card/monitor, it still seems like there is no *professionally* done distro.
My grandma can install OS X, get her scanner, camera, printer, sound, internet, email working. The day she (or my mom) can do the same thing with a Linux distro I'll be very happy. Until then it's no contest.
I use Solaris 7-9, Windows 98-XP, Linux (2.2-2.4 based), Mac OS 9.2, Mac OS X (10.2), DOS 6.22/7.0 (MS/IBM) and WinCE/PocketPC 2000/2002 for my companies (I have 4 jobs right now). OS really doesn't mean much to me other than it's a new toy to learn. I like and hate things about all of them. Linux could be the biggest threat to OS X (not much to threaten) and Windows (believe me this does scare the shit out of Redmond). The only problem is a well done distro. If IBM would just get some nuts and drop AIX and focus all their attention on Linux, making a distro that *Just Works* like OS X. They could own the desktop once again. Now is the best opportunity in the next 20-30 years for this as most platforms are moving to 64bit and Intel dropped the ball (Itanic). I'm not sure it would necessarily be a good thing to have IBM as the defacto Monopoly but maybe they'd be better than the first time around (doubtful).
Oh well I guess the point is:
Linux Good
Mac OS Great
Maybe when it has Photoshop, Shake, Final Cut, Illustrator, Quark, Acrobat, etc...
Until then OS X has nothing to fear on the desktop.
Server side is completely different though. I run almost all Linux servers (one windows server and one sun server) but OS X kicks the shit out of Gnome/KDE/Enlightenment/etc... It's consistant, reliable and fast. Not to mention the coolest laptops around.
Sun Blade 2000
The Single 900MHz is 7,595
The Single 1.2GHz is 9,995
The DUAL 1.2GHZ is 13,995 (whoops off by 7.5%)
What about Dual 2.0GHz don't you understand? They may not have been in the same market before now. However, that will soon change (there is your clue). As far as the 106 CPU Version Cluster the XServes the same way Sun does it. I said Sun should be scared. They no longer have a lock on the 64bit market.
I guess things never change in your world. Look out someone may be moving your cheese.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/
if you didn't see it yet.
Sun should be very scared. Their Dual 1.2GHz 64bit offering is $14,995. Ouch!
Too bad I have to wait until August to pick one up. Oh well I guess that gives me time to think up a good excuse for why I need one and my wife should be okay with it.
Read the post first moderators! lol...
God & Faith are believing in the otherwise unbelievable simply because society dictates that is *right*.
All species on a boat! lol...
We're all decended from Adam & Eve (btw women are evil otherwise we'd still be the lovely garden). Sounds like Arkansas to me.
Religion is the fear of the unknown personified by allowing people to buy their way to some groovie place in the sky. BTW Jesus was white and he traveled to America to chat with the American Indians too!
If a person tried to sell this shitty writing in any other way besides "religion" people would see right through it. Unfortunately most people cannot accept that they are worthless in the grand scheme of things without becoming a depressed individual.
In God We Trust!
Unbelieveable how inconsistant our laws are. Maybe they should have to re-pass every law or it expires. For example, those stupid ass inter-racial laws in the south, or consentual sodomy (oral-sex), or murder.
Obviously the good ones would be passed again and the stupid ass 1800's laws would expire and no longer be the grounds for police/legal harassment.
One thing you forgot to add are the Sun and Apple service agreements. The Sun ones are arguably better (much) but are exponentially more expensive.
Right.
Currently a Dual 1.2GHz UltraSPARC III Blade 2000 goes for $14,995.
I think it would be fair to assume a 800MHz jump per processor would run way more than $5000 so I was assuming low.
I love UltraSPARCs and have one myself. I just would rather get an XServe with Dual 2GHz 970s for 5,000-6,000 instead of a Sun Fire 280R with dual 1.2GHz processors for $20,000.
Now if Oracle would just get 9i out of RC stage and go live on 10.3 Panther!!!
A dual 1.2GHz UltraSPARC III runs around $15,000.
.Net at work! lol ;)
There is a reason 64bit is better than 32bit, the same way 32bit is better than 16bit. It may take a while for the apps to catch up but it is impossible to utilize a 64bit processor before the damn thing exists.
If the Dual 2GHz is under $5000 I'll get one (this consides with my 30th birthday, what a present!). If it's more than that I'll wait on rev b. Or if they really shock me and release a 970 based Powerbook, that is what I'll get (price be damned).
Ah the joy of being a software developer. "But honey, I really need that new G5 to be current and keep my job." Little does she know I develop in