It would be part of the job you wouldn't get hired then all of a sudden be told "here is a thing you've got to do" that wasn't in the job description.
Just because no one wants to clean puke when they are a janitor doesn't mean it doesn't get done. Same way with this. If you don't want to be paid to do community service, simply don't take the job because it is a part of it.
Most people want to do good things, they just have difficulty in finding time. I help them to find the time. If I miss out on someone that doesn't want to help their community why would I want to help them (with a job)?
Being a business leader is itself a community service. Puting your ass on the line, not to mention your money to pay other people to work with you is a risky proposition. In fact, I'm more scared of failure because of the impacts on my employees than I am of the impact on my life.
You wouldn't necessarily need to "go out". If you have a disability I would be more than accommodating (my wife is has so many medical problems it's really sad).
You wouldn't even need to come in to work for me if that were your situation. Just come for the big meetings and phone into the rest. This is exactly what I was talking about. Not everyone needs 8-5 with a 1 hour lunch.
However, the main one for me is this, I want to control my own job and answer to the client (instead of the boss).
True you want everthing for your children but I have 3 people I work with who never said no and one of them has a 33 year old that is still being supported, the other one has a 25 year old and a 22 year old that are exactly the same. Sometimes it's good for your kids to learn the value of money. Growing up rich (getting the best all the time) tends to make this impossible.
Give it 2+ years and keep an eye on my stupid posts.
Hopefully my company will be more stable by then. It's making between 60-100k/year right now (in addition to my full time job!). Once it hits ~220k/year avg I'm going full time. Right now I'm working too much but hopefully it will all pay off.
Hell if not I guess when my rich dad (divorced parents, rich dad/poor mom) moves to Catholic Heaven I'll get some cash assuming he doesn't write me out of his will! Lol, I told him to leave me nothing the other day. My siblings need it more than I do.
I know it's stupid but the most logical business quote I ever heard was from Scrooge McDuck! lol, cartoons have all the answers. "Work smarter, not harder." Best line ever. My family busts their ass and only my dad makes more than me (actually he makes like 5 times what I make!!!). I'll catch up soon.
My goal also for my company is to split the payouts as such. Semi-annual bonus program 50% of company after tax earnings go to me. 30% of company after tax earnings go to r&d, employee perks, new s/w and h/w (as needed), general company needs (operating capital). 20% bonuses for employees based on time with company (everyone gets a bonus, no waiting periods) and revenue generated by their work (good incentive in my opinion).
I'll succeed. I may have to alter my plans as things work and don't work. Keeping the ideals of the working man while being the CEO is difficult but attainable IMO!
What you're describing is 99% of the places I've worked as well.
It comes from peoples insecurities. Plus, if everyone takes advantage of the situation and no one knows when the hell anyone should be there, they won't worry about appearances. Communication is the key to any relationship, it's no different in a job. Just let people know that respect for everyone is not a option, it's a requirement. If anyone has issues let the manager handle it. However, if a coworker is more concerned about Bob and Sally's time, maybe they need more attention paid to their own performance.
Top down positive reenforcement makes a world of difference. You've got to talk the talk and be able to walk the walk.
Personally I don't understand corporations today. For example, my first job at Andersen was in the Audit group (Computer Risk Management to be exact). I'd go on financial audits (surprisingly fun, but long days) and computer related audits (borrrrrring). I'd be on a job on a friday night with a partner and some other people. We'd be there till 10 or however late necessary, every single week. To me it was either we were understaffed for the job (true) and/or they just didn't have any lives (true). By the time you became a partner at Andersen (insert big 5/4 accounting firm here) you'd put in 20+ years of 80+ hours a week. Yeah, you make a shitload of money but where the hell did your life go?
Being very very very poor puts things in perspective (if I could only convince my wife). Money isn't anything, happiness and living your life to the fullest are everything (although in all likelihood the partner wouldn't change his life for anything! lol, sad really).
I only want people who give a shit about the world around them. If anyone who ever wants to work for me cannot find one thing to contribute to society, then they are worthless to me already.
This is a good weed out question on interviews as well.
I am not religious, however a few of the people I've started the company with are. I give them the ability to do activities with their church (as long as they affect people outside their congregation) and I respect their beliefs.
Requirement stays until I get a good reason someone wouldn't want to help anyone.
Hell my dad is an evil fucking republican and I guilted him into doing Meals on Wheels for 2+ years. Believe it or not, helping others can help yourself as well.
Oh btw I work in long term care. Working with elderly people who have no one left in the world can be a eye opener.
I'd rather make 24K/year and be my own boss than make 100k/year and have to put up with bullshit everyday.
You certainly don't have kids or care to haveany. 24k/year would never be enough if you care for them.
Not yet, however I own all my cars, I own my house outright and my bills in Oklahoma (very inexpensive to live here) are around $800/mo. I'd be willing to bet I could make it work with kids.
BTW my mother made 11K/year in the late 80's early 90's in KC, MO and we survived just fine, poor as shit but fine.
My future coworkers will be able to set their own schedules (with the exception of support).
If you're looking for a bunch of geeks that walk and code around, that's fine. If you're looking for a team, there should be some common hours where everyone has to be there would it be only for meetings.
My first job was at Arthur Andersen and I've worked at 4 or 5 (memory?) companies since then. Some private, govt and consulting. I've found one thing in common at all places. You plan together, you implement alone. I've yet to find a keyboard where two people can type at the same time in the same program.
We would obviously have some core hours 10-12 or 11-1 for short meetings and we would schedule any large ones. Where I work now we never meet (bad) but my parent company is the opposite, ALL they do is have meetings (bad). I'm looking for a middle ground.
There's nothing more irritating than coming there in the morning and seeing your mailbox empty when you expected something from a coworker and you don't know what state it's in...
Don't forget also that rules and standards are what makes a bunch of people a team.
I'm not going to be the boss
??!!?
I'm going to be a co-worker (that can fire people) Ah, ok, you're going to be the boss.
There is a difference. Its the attitude. I guess you've never worked at a place that isn't axe to the grindstone. Until you've worked someplace like what I'm describing it's difficult to describe the difference in workers morale, the amount of work that gets completed and the ability to make deadlines without stress.
As long as my teams are achieving their goals pursuant to the companies goals I don't care if they work 20 hours a week. Just get the shit done and go live your life.
Again, a team needs communication and that is not something that comes naturally if you don't do anything to enforce it (even gently). At least in the companies I've worked for.
So you have never experienced it. I hope your cynicism evaporates over time.
I am also going to require 16 hours of community service a month (2 paid days off to do something the co-workers care about). There was nothing worse at my first job than them riding your ass about not doing shit in the community but turning around and making you work 80+ hours a week and work on weekends.
That's good.
Andersen was the job that busted my balls. However I will say I learned more things there than at all my other jobs combined (cooking the books aside! lol... what a bunch of crap, don't get me started)
Oh well, I guess it all depends on your attitude. No offense but you're exactly the person I would avoid hiring. If you cannot fathom a positive workplace, you'll be doomed to live in the world you've created for yourself (self fulfilling prophecy). Or at least IMO!
Treat them with respect and they will do the same. Treat them like shit and they will work 1/10th as hard (that's how it is at my current job).
I guarantee a work slow down every time someone at my job gets bitched out because the boss doesn't know any other way to motivate.
Granted, people can take advantage. But if you're a good manager and have good managers/workers around you it's less likely some bad seed will slip through.
I cannot stand places that require 8-12 at desk 1-5 at desk
Why doesn't management understand different people work in different ways? My best friend will come in late but he gets shitloads done after lunch. Before lunch he does next to nothing (tries to wake up). Me I'm a morning person I get more done before 9am than most people do all day. However at my last job, leaving early meant you weren't a team player (nevermind I got there 2 hours before everyone else, where were the fucking team players then?).
This is why my current job is my last. They are pretty flexible (my boss respects me, and I can come and go as I please).
Once my company hits the revenue I feel comfortable with I'm going out on my own. I'd rather make 24K/year and be my own boss than make 100k/year and have to put up with bullshit everyday. There is something to be said for Quality of Life.
My future co-workers will be able to set their own schedules (with the exception of support). I'm not going to be the boss, I'm going to be a co-worker (that can fire people). As long as my teams are achieving their goals persuant to the companies goals I don't care if they work 20 hours a week. Just get the shit done and go live your life. I am also going to require 16 hours of community service a month (2 paid days off to do something the co-workers care about). There was nothing worse at my first job than them riding your ass about not doing shit in the community but turning around and making you work 80+ hours a week and work on weekends. I have no problem with hard work. I just hate hypocrites (which I strive not to be one).
Fortunately I will be job free in about 6 months if everything works out. And I'll be job free in 6 months if everything doesn't work out. I guess I'm crazy quiting a job that makes over 60k/year in oklahoma, but oh well....
lol, I did this once myself. The bad thing about that in the preview is in mozilla (at least) it makes the text in the textarea box a link!!! So how the hell do you edit it? (by going back one screen and hoping your browser cached it)
I'm a spammer. I want to avoid being caught/traced. As a software developer I can do these things with the list of email addresses I have: 1) setup a server, spam, get blacklisted 2) look for open relays, spam, move on (by far the easiest, which is why we need a different protocol). 3) create a program that forges tcp packets for connecting to a mail server for X number of addresses, sends all the desired info from an email address to it's own email address. Voila, spam that is very difficult to trace and trivial to program. Hell I may just become a spammer for a proof of concept (joking).
Why is this not a concern if #1 and #2 are stopped somehow (I don't think #2 will ever be stopped by the way).
It's a protocol problem. SMTP is never going to be good enough. For example, I run qmail, courier, horde/imp. To keep it from being an open relay I use relay-ctrl. However in my testing (to make sure it wasn't open) I found a few very interesting things. On 99% of email servers if you know how to properly input the mail headers you can send anyone an email on that server.
Granted this isn't an open relay but if you have a list of everyone at intel (or not just figure out their email addresses via a web search). You could easily email all of them anything you wanted (as the spammer) only using their own mail server. I havent tried this on a lot of servers but I have a very high success rate (I only try it with my friends accounts on different servers and I let them know ahead of time so they aren't confused).
This just helps make my point. Non authenticated SMTP is killing the internet. If the big whigs would come out with a new OPEN protocol (AOL, MSN, Earthlink,... in conjunction with the OSS community) it would (theoretically) solve a growing problem.
It would be good for the software makers of email clients/servers as well because they could sell an entirely new set of software.
I guess I'm just idealistic. I think it can be done.
Then again, if one more damn tornado gets within 2 miles of me I may move to Colorado (like all the Californians! lol;^)
Nothing worse than getting a fucking ticket from some damn rural cop who says your going faster than you are. Speed (cruise) control does a pretty good job of keeping me aware of my actual speed, instead of lying cops making money for BFE Oklahoma.
Although I could fabricate evidence on my own! Hmmm.....
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That's called job security man!
It would be part of the job you wouldn't get hired then all of a sudden be told "here is a thing you've got to do" that wasn't in the job description.
Just because no one wants to clean puke when they are a janitor doesn't mean it doesn't get done. Same way with this. If you don't want to be paid to do community service, simply don't take the job because it is a part of it.
Easy as pie.
Most people want to do good things, they just have difficulty in finding time. I help them to find the time. If I miss out on someone that doesn't want to help their community why would I want to help them (with a job)?
Being a business leader is itself a community service. Puting your ass on the line, not to mention your money to pay other people to work with you is a risky proposition. In fact, I'm more scared of failure because of the impacts on my employees than I am of the impact on my life.
Bard's Tale I-III, Ultima III-VII, Thief & Thief II.
My all time favorites.
Now where is that Thief III Eidos!!!!
You wouldn't necessarily need to "go out". If you have a disability I would be more than accommodating (my wife is has so many medical problems it's really sad).
You wouldn't even need to come in to work for me if that were your situation. Just come for the big meetings and phone into the rest. This is exactly what I was talking about. Not everyone needs 8-5 with a 1 hour lunch.
Attitude is everything.
However, the main one for me is this, I want to control my own job and answer to the client (instead of the boss).
True you want everthing for your children but I have 3 people I work with who never said no and one of them has a 33 year old that is still being supported, the other one has a 25 year old and a 22 year old that are exactly the same.
Sometimes it's good for your kids to learn the value of money. Growing up rich (getting the best all the time) tends to make this impossible.
Thanks for the comments!
Or at least that is what our President schmuck would have you believe.
War on Terra. Unbelievable.
Give it 2+ years and keep an eye on my stupid posts.
Hopefully my company will be more stable by then. It's making between 60-100k/year right now (in addition to my full time job!). Once it hits ~220k/year avg I'm going full time. Right now I'm working too much but hopefully it will all pay off.
Hell if not I guess when my rich dad (divorced parents, rich dad/poor mom) moves to Catholic Heaven I'll get some cash assuming he doesn't write me out of his will! Lol, I told him to leave me nothing the other day. My siblings need it more than I do.
I know it's stupid but the most logical business quote I ever heard was from Scrooge McDuck! lol, cartoons have all the answers. "Work smarter, not harder." Best line ever. My family busts their ass and only my dad makes more than me (actually he makes like 5 times what I make!!!). I'll catch up soon.
My goal also for my company is to split the payouts as such.
Semi-annual bonus program
50% of company after tax earnings go to me.
30% of company after tax earnings go to r&d, employee perks, new s/w and h/w (as needed), general company needs (operating capital).
20% bonuses for employees based on time with company (everyone gets a bonus, no waiting periods) and revenue generated by their work (good incentive in my opinion).
I'll succeed. I may have to alter my plans as things work and don't work. Keeping the ideals of the working man while being the CEO is difficult but attainable IMO!
What you're describing is 99% of the places I've worked as well.
It comes from peoples insecurities. Plus, if everyone takes advantage of the situation and no one knows when the hell anyone should be there, they won't worry about appearances. Communication is the key to any relationship, it's no different in a job. Just let people know that respect for everyone is not a option, it's a requirement. If anyone has issues let the manager handle it. However, if a coworker is more concerned about Bob and Sally's time, maybe they need more attention paid to their own performance.
Top down positive reenforcement makes a world of difference. You've got to talk the talk and be able to walk the walk.
Personally I don't understand corporations today. For example, my first job at Andersen was in the Audit group (Computer Risk Management to be exact). I'd go on financial audits (surprisingly fun, but long days) and computer related audits (borrrrrring). I'd be on a job on a friday night with a partner and some other people. We'd be there till 10 or however late necessary, every single week. To me it was either we were understaffed for the job (true) and/or they just didn't have any lives (true). By the time you became a partner at Andersen (insert big 5/4 accounting firm here) you'd put in 20+ years of 80+ hours a week. Yeah, you make a shitload of money but where the hell did your life go?
Being very very very poor puts things in perspective (if I could only convince my wife). Money isn't anything, happiness and living your life to the fullest are everything (although in all likelihood the partner wouldn't change his life for anything! lol, sad really).
I only want people who give a shit about the world around them. If anyone who ever wants to work for me cannot find one thing to contribute to society, then they are worthless to me already.
This is a good weed out question on interviews as well.
I am not religious, however a few of the people I've started the company with are. I give them the ability to do activities with their church (as long as they affect people outside their congregation) and I respect their beliefs.
Requirement stays until I get a good reason someone wouldn't want to help anyone.
Hell my dad is an evil fucking republican and I guilted him into doing Meals on Wheels for 2+ years. Believe it or not, helping others can help yourself as well.
Oh btw I work in long term care. Working with elderly people who have no one left in the world can be a eye opener.
I'd rather make 24K/year and be my own boss than make 100k/year and have to put up with bullshit everyday.
You certainly don't have kids or care to haveany. 24k/year would never be enough if you care for them.
Not yet, however I own all my cars, I own my house outright and my bills in Oklahoma (very inexpensive to live here) are around $800/mo. I'd be willing to bet I could make it work with kids.
BTW my mother made 11K/year in the late 80's early 90's in KC, MO and we survived just fine, poor as shit but fine.
My future coworkers will be able to set their own schedules (with the exception of support).
If you're looking for a bunch of geeks that walk and code around, that's fine. If you're looking for a team, there should be some common hours where everyone has to be there would it be only for meetings.
My first job was at Arthur Andersen and I've worked at 4 or 5 (memory?) companies since then. Some private, govt and consulting. I've found one thing in common at all places. You plan together, you implement alone. I've yet to find a keyboard where two people can type at the same time in the same program.
We would obviously have some core hours 10-12 or 11-1 for short meetings and we would schedule any large ones. Where I work now we never meet (bad) but my parent company is the opposite, ALL they do is have meetings (bad). I'm looking for a middle ground.
There's nothing more irritating than coming there in the morning and seeing your mailbox empty when you expected something from a coworker and you don't know what state it's in...
Don't forget also that rules and standards are what makes a bunch of people a team.
I'm not going to be the boss
??!!?
I'm going to be a co-worker (that can fire people)
Ah, ok, you're going to be the boss.
There is a difference. Its the attitude. I guess you've never worked at a place that isn't axe to the grindstone. Until you've worked someplace like what I'm describing it's difficult to describe the difference in workers morale, the amount of work that gets completed and the ability to make deadlines without stress.
As long as my teams are achieving their goals pursuant to the companies goals I don't care if they work 20 hours a week. Just get the shit done and go live your life.
Again, a team needs communication and that is not something that comes naturally if you don't do anything to enforce it (even gently). At least in the companies I've worked for.
So you have never experienced it. I hope your cynicism evaporates over time.
I am also going to require 16 hours of community service a month (2 paid days off to do something the co-workers care about). There was nothing worse at my first job than them riding your ass about not doing shit in the community but turning around and making you work 80+ hours a week and work on weekends.
That's good.
Andersen was the job that busted my balls. However I will say I learned more things there than at all my other jobs combined (cooking the books aside! lol... what a bunch of crap, don't get me started)
Oh well, I guess it all depends on your attitude. No offense but you're exactly the person I would avoid hiring. If you cannot fathom a positive workplace, you'll be doomed to live in the world you've created for yourself (self fulfilling prophecy). Or at least IMO!
Treat them with respect and they will do the same. Treat them like shit and they will work 1/10th as hard (that's how it is at my current job).
I guarantee a work slow down every time someone at my job gets bitched out because the boss doesn't know any other way to motivate.
Granted, people can take advantage. But if you're a good manager and have good managers/workers around you it's less likely some bad seed will slip through.
What about my up time on Netcraft!!!!
This is a secret ploy to get all those 600+ day people to reboot. Well I'm not buying.
I cannot stand places that require
8-12 at desk
1-5 at desk
Why doesn't management understand different people work in different ways? My best friend will come in late but he gets shitloads done after lunch. Before lunch he does next to nothing (tries to wake up). Me I'm a morning person I get more done before 9am than most people do all day. However at my last job, leaving early meant you weren't a team player (nevermind I got there 2 hours before everyone else, where were the fucking team players then?).
This is why my current job is my last. They are pretty flexible (my boss respects me, and I can come and go as I please).
Once my company hits the revenue I feel comfortable with I'm going out on my own. I'd rather make 24K/year and be my own boss than make 100k/year and have to put up with bullshit everyday. There is something to be said for Quality of Life.
My future co-workers will be able to set their own schedules (with the exception of support). I'm not going to be the boss, I'm going to be a co-worker (that can fire people). As long as my teams are achieving their goals persuant to the companies goals I don't care if they work 20 hours a week. Just get the shit done and go live your life. I am also going to require 16 hours of community service a month (2 paid days off to do something the co-workers care about). There was nothing worse at my first job than them riding your ass about not doing shit in the community but turning around and making you work 80+ hours a week and work on weekends. I have no problem with hard work. I just hate hypocrites (which I strive not to be one).
Fortunately I will be job free in about 6 months if everything works out. And I'll be job free in 6 months if everything doesn't work out. I guess I'm crazy quiting a job that makes over 60k/year in oklahoma, but oh well....
lol, I did this once myself. The bad thing about that in the preview is in mozilla (at least) it makes the text in the textarea box a link!!! So how the hell do you edit it? (by going back one screen and hoping your browser cached it)
Duh..... lol. I missed that one the first time around. I hope you were being funny.
This is why everything should still be IP based! (j/k)
You shouldn't post copyrighted material without express written consent.
I love the world we live in. Mooching every last cent possible from the almighty consumer.
He plays for the football team as well. Oh wait, this is Purdue we're talking about. Nevermind, you're right.
(lol, j/k)
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It's not the porn that's bad. It's what you do with it!
Kill Thief/Looking Glass, build Deus Ex off that engine. Still cannot see Looking Glass people make some of the best games of all time.
Tombraider is a piece of shit, FINISH Thief III.
I'm a spammer.
I want to avoid being caught/traced.
As a software developer I can do these things with the list of email addresses I have:
1) setup a server, spam, get blacklisted
2) look for open relays, spam, move on (by far the easiest, which is why we need a different protocol).
3) create a program that forges tcp packets for connecting to a mail server for X number of addresses, sends all the desired info from an email address to it's own email address.
Voila, spam that is very difficult to trace and trivial to program. Hell I may just become a spammer for a proof of concept (joking).
Why is this not a concern if #1 and #2 are stopped somehow (I don't think #2 will ever be stopped by the way).
It's a protocol problem. SMTP is never going to be good enough. For example, I run qmail, courier, horde/imp. To keep it from being an open relay I use relay-ctrl. However in my testing (to make sure it wasn't open) I found a few very interesting things. On 99% of email servers if you know how to properly input the mail headers you can send anyone an email on that server.
... in conjunction with the OSS community) it would (theoretically) solve a growing problem.
;^)
Granted this isn't an open relay but if you have a list of everyone at intel (or not just figure out their email addresses via a web search). You could easily email all of them anything you wanted (as the spammer) only using their own mail server. I havent tried this on a lot of servers but I have a very high success rate (I only try it with my friends accounts on different servers and I let them know ahead of time so they aren't confused).
This just helps make my point. Non authenticated SMTP is killing the internet. If the big whigs would come out with a new OPEN protocol (AOL, MSN, Earthlink,
It would be good for the software makers of email clients/servers as well because they could sell an entirely new set of software.
I guess I'm just idealistic. I think it can be done.
Then again, if one more damn tornado gets within 2 miles of me I may move to Colorado (like all the Californians! lol
Nothing worse than getting a fucking ticket from some damn rural cop who says your going faster than you are. Speed (cruise) control does a pretty good job of keeping me aware of my actual speed, instead of lying cops making money for BFE Oklahoma.
Although I could fabricate evidence on my own! Hmmm.....
stories.
Hmmmmm... integrity lost. Oh wait, you cannot lose what you don't have.