Symantec makes a Linux based AV scanner too, though it is more of a cook your own virus scanner called Carrier Scan Server. It ships with an API that lets you make your own interface into the scanner. Sadly it is not free as in anything.
Not to Split Hairs, but it wasn't my position or opinion that the filtering be used to prevent PORN, but to subjectivley filter out content that is harmful under communicty standards. Please do not confuse my opinion with the spcific subject of porn filters. It is short sighted to imagine that filtering software be used only to block porn (ooo aaaa) but more like, how about we prevent end users from downloading viruses on the computers my purloined tax funds pay for. Block the virus at the connection to the internet and you remove the need to block it at the computer!
Beyond that, your reply comes close to proving my actual point, and not the previously mentioned 1 inch view. Laws are consensual, if we didn't consent to obey them en masse then they would be unenforcable, we ask the police to enforce these laws (and the military too). Laws in the end, despite what some people may think end up being the opinion of the majority who vote with their minds dollars and hearts. Just cuz less than 20 percent of US citizens exercise their franchise is no reason to fear, no, not at all
This Kind of thinking says that it is okay to keep loaded, unlocked guns in the living room.
Any user of the Internet can honestly say that there is a great deal of "bad stuff" out there that is not okay for your typical user to be exposed to, adult or otherwise. I know that if I was a library admin I sure wouldn't want users surfing into a nimda infected website, infecting all of my unprotected pcs. The problem with what is called free speech is that it is whole something that is interpreted not an absolute. I cannot publically say "I will Kill X Person" if that person is in any kind of office, doesn't hat limit my free speech? Viewing the web, which is to say, Viewing the free speech of others is YOU interpreting someone elses speech, which is fine for only you. The problem we face with public computers is not adults and well-reasoned minors viewing porn, it is adults and well-reasoned minors displaying porn and other objectionable stuff in a location that is shared with people that constitute a community, and therefore community standard apply. It may be free speech to defecate on the flag, it is still illegal in many places to go into public and perform fellatio on your partner. Stetching the analogy a bit, it is improper to expect everyone in the library will enjoy listening to that great brittney spears song you downloaded, so you are asked to put on headphones.
You have sex with a condom on to prevent infection not to prevent you from having sex at all.
The simple fact is that filters, software or fingers on power buttons are needed. We have police to enforce community standards, we have torts to enforce aggreements and we have library admins to help us get to the information we need. I don't think there is any valid way to say there is a NEED to download nimda onto the shared computer at the libary. We don't need the law to tell us that we have to monitor a computer in a public place
It only makes sense that someone make every effort to protect users from such things as viruses, scams through mail and email and all the other dark saide of the net stuff. Why is it so hard to accept that in a public place (where there are alot of people who want to be protected from negative stuff) that filtering could be a good thing, if applied correctly and intelligently.
I've been invloved in the creation of filtering software for a few years now and I a confident that when applied creatively it is effective and useful. What I fins is the administrators expect that software (of all kinds) can be installed and "just work" which is never the case, especially where free speech is concerned.
I'm sure any tech support rep on slashdot will remind you that they speak to a hundred people a week who cannot figure out that they can't just X software package on any machine and it'll work the same EVERY time. This is the case with most filtering packages, in fact the majority of good high level filters don't even come pre-configured. Thus, no filtering is applied at all and it is left to the admin to set up their own filters. The technology is almost there folks, it just takes intelligence and dilligence to set it up.
This ensures that there is no need for mandatory filters for all users, effective filtering means it is tailored for the users, not the state.
Then you have to consider Triangle boy and it's ilk. The net is rife with circumvention tools! Take Peacefire for example.
I've sat in on a few "filtering the net" round table discussions in the recent past, and I can tell you that beyond disonnectiong the whole population from the net there is no censorship tool used by a governing body that will not eventually face challenges that can defeat it, and they know it, except for chip implanted behavior modification, but that uh, oh, you want to put that where? Uh, no, I am not REALLY fond of that ear, AH AHHHHH!
Then you have to consider Triangle boy and it's ilk. The net is rife with circumvention tools! Take Peacefire for example.
I've sat in on a few "filtering the net" round table discussions in the recent past, and I can tell you that beyond disonnectiong the whole population from the net there is no censorship tool that will not be beaten by any governing body, and they know it.
GOp@Tohell.com
LeaveMe@lone.com
Kissmy@ss.com
All of which I have used to registery sofware in the past.
Hughj@ss.com is still waiting for his free natural viagra as I write this.
For the most part I only buy a DVD for the extras, I can usually remember the plot of a good movie, but what I love is to be able to enjoy the film in diff. ways. Sure there are times I want to see the movie again and agian (cough Boondock Saints cough) but I mostly buy DVDs for the extras. This technology does nothing for the DVD extra enthusiast, so I say GOOD DAY to it.
Ah, Danielsan,Mr. Miagi told us why the Miagi Karate was animal inspired, old Miagi anscestor leave okinawa, get lost while fisihing. wind up in china. Come back with Chinese wife, chinese kids and chinese style karate. What you would call Kung-fu!!
For Example "***PC" at the corner of Young and Finch in toronto. I went there to learn about Lineage, when it was still all in Korean. The Incredibly obvious dealer was handing out little packets of the good stuff to anyone who approached with a bit of cash. This was a good deal of time ago and may have stopped, but the cyber-bean on Younge and Eglignton was another good example of what can go down in one of these places. The NUMBER ONE patorn there was a homeless guy named NAte who spent his money on sufing the web rather than say food or shelter, or bathing. I used the "stepped into" as I would use "stepped into" to describe such things as Cow dung.
I've stepped into a couple local Internet Cafe's and have this to say:
They are havens for HARD drug deals.
Due to the lack of actual supervision, many of the so called patrons nearly live there.
The cafe's have been the sites of many un-documented drug overdoses, hurriedly covered up by worried owners and PFYs.
They are not usually patroned by the kind of cool, hip, smart folks here on slashdot; even in a metropolitan city like the one I live in.
In summation, these sites are often in DIRE need of some form of actual supervision, the problem is that if Site A is supervised, and Site B is not, then Site A loses customers and shuts down. Human Nature wins again
Look it's like this; every once in a while a package, due to it's relative weight will be packed on the bottom of the pile, regardless of it's labels, loaders are human. Sometimes the stuff marked fragile is loaded at the back of the big trucks, so it gets wet, even with the big plastic moisture guide in place. I've seen a whole load of boxes get soaked at the back of a truck before. There was one manuacturer in particular who had a service site we shipped to that got nothing but busted up boxes from the loaders. These were returns, so many of the guys took out their high spirits on these boxes. Then there were the Social deviants who only had the job for one night. you can imagine the havoce those guys cause. Anyways, I don't load anymore, or work for a packing company or shipping department or anything to do with truck any more. Have a great day!
Ah, the "Real Genius" Comes out. Another good one is " I was looking at a project on life after death, but the the dealines were killer"
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Yes we will(do), the answer is and always will be, 42.
Seriously, the answer in my case was usually abort, as the usual reason for that one (beyond floppy failure) was that I'd removed said disk without thinking and had no reason to use it anymore.
As numbing as it is, bombing Afghanistan would lead to nothing more than dead innocent Afghanies. So there can be nothing gained there, in fact if that was the actual case then the dead would be called martyrs and further galvanize the cause of the Islamic Jihad in the world. No, doing nothing is ot the answer either, that would just be silly, and serve to allow the terror spreaders to say "Look, america is weak, beaten.."
However, if bombing en-masse is not the answer, and doing nothing is just wrong; what can the Western world do?
I hope that a symbolic gesture will be enough, perhaps allowing the "honour" of the terrorists, I know the term is used in derision, giving them a chance to stand for Allah and face their accusers man-to-infidel and then face the justice of the world, regardless of religion.
This would serve to keep them from being Martyrs and also give the world a chance to take the villans on, using Global terms, without needless slaughter.
Of course, if they choose not to stand up, as holy warriors for Allah, THEN they can be Martyrs, as there can be no reasoning with these flawed "holy" people.
Sadly, the state of affairs in the PC world (and non-PC world) have become starkly polarized) we have users (read Admins) who have little or no skills responsible for as many as 250,000 client machines (read Needy).
For every great Admin out there (someone who can RTFM, and perhaps even visit an online support option) there are at least 10 crackerjack MCSE's who have fallen into thier position because someone who could do that job figured out that they were not paid enough to meet the insane requirements their superiors put upon them.
It may be a fact of the world that as technology becomes easier, users become dumber and dumber, take for Gospel the fact that in the "Good old Days" tech support was often so great because only "Smart folks" were calling so supporting reasonably intelligent end users was not a hard prospect (often you would find support was performed by developers).
> This isn't Wendys, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT YOUR WAY Now many of the callers, or customers of a support organization are so baiive as to "how things work" that they treat their computers as magical entertainment and information boxes, that will work without fail with little or no prodding. (HA HA)
More insulting still is the fact that the more unskilled a person is, the more vocal they become, perhaps they believe that being loud equates importance, something left over form their days in the nest no doubt (Read Chicken Reference)
Yes, I am aware, dealing with slope-browed, square toothed, cromagnons on a daily basis is no excuse to be rude, but there is no reason, when speaking to hundreds of of people a day to treat them like an individual, tech support reps aren't paid enough to do that (heck, Doctors don't even do that.) As a customer, I treat each support rep I speak to with respect and humor, I save any yelling or abuse for supervisors, that is THEIR job, if something is broken, and I have waited too long I speak to the 'boss' not the employee. I expect in return information, simply that, something to tell me to help with my issue (incidently, I only seem to ever have to call my ISP for support, odd huh?)
As I was saying, often times the loudest callers are the dumest, and vice versa. Why the heck should I suffer fools gladly?
Of course, you could always use the immortal "You need support?!?! Get a Cup!"
Simple,
BusinessMan Robert
Someone over there is performing a service what I want to perform, and they are doing it for free (As in Sex). I want to make money from that service, so I need a way to become "the guy/gal that offers that service." So I can do a few things:
Do it better and add perks
Do it the same, but offer brand recognition, Now with Nike!
Offer a slightly different service
(If you have more money and resources:) Force the free service out of business by claiming their service infringes upon your service Phone company A does not like that Bob in apartment 101 lets Frank from Apartment 2 use his phone line, even though Bob always pays his bills on time and tips EVERY phone tech that comes by, even if he is seeing them socially
Robert Chooses The Latter
Essentailly, the RIAA wants to make money from it's product, but doesn't need/want the goodwill that comes from offering free product to us pleebs.
No, what they are doing is walking into the Local sam goody, picking up a cd, holding it in their hand and electronically copying it to the magnetic media ingrained into the palm of said hand (Or better yet magically transmitting it via the antennae in their head to a waiting hard drive at home). They put the CD back in the rack and leave, the MEDIA is not affected and can be purchased by someone else. Get your analogy straight before you speak up!;)
For theft to occur something has to have actual physical existence first, and we all have to agree that (Boyband) does not exist.
"Curses! Our plan to launch Near-light-speed rocks at the earth foiled by DUBYA"
Seriously, could a rock big enough to cause mass extinction (on a global scale) really sneak up on us? Yes, I know smaller rocks have, but hence the term smaller... I can live with losing a city to a sneaky ball of dirt.. but a texas sized comet (asteroid, whatever) would have to be able to switch speeds pretty quick for us to miss it coming at us..right? Dr. Evil Moment: Six Minutes? Feh, launched from the moon a rock the size of a voltswagon could flatten...(your city here) in under three. I shall call it a cata-pult and using this cata-pult, I can flatten any city I wish, as long as it is visible form the moonEND DR EVIL MOMENT
I am personally insulted by any person or persons who want to say: "The masses have no taste, thus we shall attempt to impose our tastes upon those that produce the media they are entertained by"
I don't like it when the PMRC does it and I truly hate it when it is done in the name of ART. Doesn't this just equal reverse homogenization? If you can't make your game/film look great under these constraints, done make your game/movie. Lovely.
This sounds so much like, if you don't make your music without using sample loops from other artists, we'll sue. Or, "feh, this game is too much like Doom/Quake, so it must suck"
These kinds of organizations love to hide behind the statement, "If you don't like it don't watch/play (I resisted the urge to put the obligatory man here)" but wail and moan when things like Quake/Doom/Gone in 60 Seconds succeed (commercially). I have no beef with being intelligent and/or culture; I just despise those people who make it into a lifestyle choice, like being a goth.
BTW I LOVED 'Armageddon' right along with 'Seven' 'The Mighty' 'Fight Club' 'The Crow' and 'OG: Original Gangsta'.... why waste ink and time on something that limits freedom?
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Symantec makes a Linux based AV scanner too, though it is more of a cook your own virus scanner called Carrier Scan Server. It ships with an API that lets you make your own interface into the scanner. Sadly it is not free as in anything.
Not to Split Hairs, but it wasn't my position or opinion that the filtering be used to prevent PORN, but to subjectivley filter out content that is harmful under communicty standards. Please do not confuse my opinion with the spcific subject of porn filters. It is short sighted to imagine that filtering software be used only to block porn (ooo aaaa) but more like, how about we prevent end users from downloading viruses on the computers my purloined tax funds pay for. Block the virus at the connection to the internet and you remove the need to block it at the computer!
Beyond that, your reply comes close to proving my actual point, and not the previously mentioned 1 inch view. Laws are consensual, if we didn't consent to obey them en masse then they would be unenforcable, we ask the police to enforce these laws (and the military too). Laws in the end, despite what some people may think end up being the opinion of the majority who vote with their minds dollars and hearts. Just cuz less than 20 percent of US citizens exercise their franchise is no reason to fear, no, not at all
This Kind of thinking says that it is okay to keep loaded, unlocked guns in the living room.
Any user of the Internet can honestly say that there is a great deal of "bad stuff" out there that is not okay for your typical user to be exposed to, adult or otherwise. I know that if I was a library admin I sure wouldn't want users surfing into a nimda infected website, infecting all of my unprotected pcs. The problem with what is called free speech is that it is whole something that is interpreted not an absolute. I cannot publically say "I will Kill X Person" if that person is in any kind of office, doesn't hat limit my free speech? Viewing the web, which is to say, Viewing the free speech of others is YOU interpreting someone elses speech, which is fine for only you. The problem we face with public computers is not adults and well-reasoned minors viewing porn, it is adults and well-reasoned minors displaying porn and other objectionable stuff in a location that is shared with people that constitute a community, and therefore community standard apply. It may be free speech to defecate on the flag, it is still illegal in many places to go into public and perform fellatio on your partner. Stetching the analogy a bit, it is improper to expect everyone in the library will enjoy listening to that great brittney spears song you downloaded, so you are asked to put on headphones.
You have sex with a condom on to prevent infection not to prevent you from having sex at all.
The simple fact is that filters, software or fingers on power buttons are needed. We have police to enforce community standards, we have torts to enforce aggreements and we have library admins to help us get to the information we need. I don't think there is any valid way to say there is a NEED to download nimda onto the shared computer at the libary. We don't need the law to tell us that we have to monitor a computer in a public place
It only makes sense that someone make every effort to protect users from such things as viruses, scams through mail and email and all the other dark saide of the net stuff. Why is it so hard to accept that in a public place (where there are alot of people who want to be protected from negative stuff) that filtering could be a good thing, if applied correctly and intelligently.
I've been invloved in the creation of filtering software for a few years now and I a confident that when applied creatively it is effective and useful. What I fins is the administrators expect that software (of all kinds) can be installed and "just work" which is never the case, especially where free speech is concerned.
I'm sure any tech support rep on slashdot will remind you that they speak to a hundred people a week who cannot figure out that they can't just X software package on any machine and it'll work the same EVERY time. This is the case with most filtering packages, in fact the majority of good high level filters don't even come pre-configured. Thus, no filtering is applied at all and it is left to the admin to set up their own filters. The technology is almost there folks, it just takes intelligence and dilligence to set it up.
This ensures that there is no need for mandatory filters for all users, effective filtering means it is tailored for the users, not the state.
Ugh, I should read my posts more carefully:
Then you have to consider Triangle boy and it's ilk. The net is rife with circumvention tools! Take Peacefire for example.
I've sat in on a few "filtering the net" round table discussions in the recent past, and I can tell you that beyond disonnectiong the whole population from the net there is no censorship tool used by a governing body that will not eventually face challenges that can defeat it, and they know it, except for chip implanted behavior modification, but that uh, oh, you want to put that where? Uh, no, I am not REALLY fond of that ear, AH AHHHHH!
Then you have to consider Triangle boy and it's ilk. The net is rife with circumvention tools! Take Peacefire for example.
I've sat in on a few "filtering the net" round table discussions in the recent past, and I can tell you that beyond disonnectiong the whole population from the net there is no censorship tool that will not be beaten by any governing body, and they know it.
GOp@Tohell.com
LeaveMe@lone.com
Kissmy@ss.com
All of which I have used to registery sofware in the past.
Hughj@ss.com is still waiting for his free natural viagra as I write this.
Winodows
CowboyNeal
And of course the vast number of parentless orphans (three of whom I grew up with) as well as Slick Willie's bastard children .
For the most part I only buy a DVD for the extras, I can usually remember the plot of a good movie, but what I love is to be able to enjoy the film in diff. ways. Sure there are times I want to see the movie again and agian (cough Boondock Saints cough) but I mostly buy DVDs for the extras. This technology does nothing for the DVD extra enthusiast, so I say GOOD DAY to it.
Ah, Danielsan,Mr. Miagi told us why the Miagi Karate was animal inspired, old Miagi anscestor leave okinawa, get lost while fisihing. wind up in china. Come back with Chinese wife, chinese kids and chinese style karate. What you would call Kung-fu!!
Mod me up, I have a winner
Karate Kid Two!!!
Not True:
For Example "***PC" at the corner of Young and Finch in toronto. I went there to learn about Lineage, when it was still all in Korean. The Incredibly obvious dealer was handing out little packets of the good stuff to anyone who approached with a bit of cash. This was a good deal of time ago and may have stopped, but the cyber-bean on Younge and Eglignton was another good example of what can go down in one of these places. The NUMBER ONE patorn there was a homeless guy named NAte who spent his money on sufing the web rather than say food or shelter, or bathing. I used the "stepped into" as I would use "stepped into" to describe such things as Cow dung.
They are havens for HARD drug deals.
Due to the lack of actual supervision, many of the so called patrons nearly live there.
The cafe's have been the sites of many un-documented drug overdoses, hurriedly covered up by worried owners and PFYs.
They are not usually patroned by the kind of cool, hip, smart folks here on slashdot; even in a metropolitan city like the one I live in.
In summation, these sites are often in DIRE need of some form of actual supervision, the problem is that if Site A is supervised, and Site B is not, then Site A loses customers and shuts down. Human Nature wins again
Look it's like this; every once in a while a package, due to it's relative weight will be packed on the bottom of the pile, regardless of it's labels, loaders are human. Sometimes the stuff marked fragile is loaded at the back of the big trucks, so it gets wet, even with the big plastic moisture guide in place. I've seen a whole load of boxes get soaked at the back of a truck before. There was one manuacturer in particular who had a service site we shipped to that got nothing but busted up boxes from the loaders. These were returns, so many of the guys took out their high spirits on these boxes. Then there were the Social deviants who only had the job for one night. you can imagine the havoce those guys cause. Anyways, I don't load anymore, or work for a packing company or shipping department or anything to do with truck any more. Have a great day!
Ah, the "Real Genius" Comes out. Another good one is " I was looking at a project on life after death, but the the dealines were killer"
Yes we will(do), the answer is and always will be, 42.
Seriously, the answer in my case was usually abort, as the usual reason for that one (beyond floppy failure) was that I'd removed said disk without thinking and had no reason to use it anymore.
sure,
/mbr
type fdisk
lol
This looks like par tof Active Directory's SMTP replication... Anybody aggree/back me up?
Yeah, just started on 24 /8 this morning at exactly 9:30am est
Yup, this is factually correct.
As numbing as it is, bombing Afghanistan would lead to nothing more than dead innocent Afghanies. So there can be nothing gained there, in fact if that was the actual case then the dead would be called martyrs and further galvanize the cause of the Islamic Jihad in the world. No, doing nothing is ot the answer either, that would just be silly, and serve to allow the terror spreaders to say "Look, america is weak, beaten.."
However, if bombing en-masse is not the answer, and doing nothing is just wrong; what can the Western world do?
I hope that a symbolic gesture will be enough, perhaps allowing the "honour" of the terrorists, I know the term is used in derision, giving them a chance to stand for Allah and face their accusers man-to-infidel and then face the justice of the world, regardless of religion.
This would serve to keep them from being Martyrs and also give the world a chance to take the villans on, using Global terms, without needless slaughter.
Of course, if they choose not to stand up, as holy warriors for Allah, THEN they can be Martyrs, as there can be no reasoning with these flawed "holy" people.
Sadly, the state of affairs in the PC world (and non-PC world) have become starkly polarized) we have users (read Admins) who have little or no skills responsible for as many as 250,000 client machines (read Needy).
For every great Admin out there (someone who can RTFM, and perhaps even visit an online support option) there are at least 10 crackerjack MCSE's who have fallen into thier position because someone who could do that job figured out that they were not paid enough to meet the insane requirements their superiors put upon them.
It may be a fact of the world that as technology becomes easier, users become dumber and dumber, take for Gospel the fact that in the "Good old Days" tech support was often so great because only "Smart folks" were calling so supporting reasonably intelligent end users was not a hard prospect (often you would find support was performed by developers).
> This isn't Wendys, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT YOUR WAY
Now many of the callers, or customers of a support organization are so baiive as to "how things work" that they treat their computers as magical entertainment and information boxes, that will work without fail with little or no prodding. (HA HA)
More insulting still is the fact that the more unskilled a person is, the more vocal they become, perhaps they believe that being loud equates importance, something left over form their days in the nest no doubt (Read Chicken Reference)
Yes, I am aware, dealing with slope-browed, square toothed, cromagnons on a daily basis is no excuse to be rude, but there is no reason, when speaking to hundreds of of people a day to treat them like an individual, tech support reps aren't paid enough to do that (heck, Doctors don't even do that.) As a customer, I treat each support rep I speak to with respect and humor, I save any yelling or abuse for supervisors, that is THEIR job, if something is broken, and I have waited too long I speak to the 'boss' not the employee. I expect in return information, simply that, something to tell me to help with my issue (incidently, I only seem to ever have to call my ISP for support, odd huh?)
As I was saying, often times the loudest callers are the dumest, and vice versa.
Why the heck should I suffer fools gladly?
Of course, you could always use the immortal "You need support?!?! Get a Cup!"
Do it better and add perks
Do it the same, but offer brand recognition, Now with Nike!
Offer a slightly different service
(If you have more money and resources:) Force the free service out of business by claiming their service infringes upon your service
Phone company A does not like that Bob in apartment 101 lets Frank from Apartment 2 use his phone line, even though Bob always pays his bills on time and tips EVERY phone tech that comes by, even if he is seeing them socially
Robert Chooses The Latter
Essentailly, the RIAA wants to make money from it's product, but doesn't need/want the goodwill that comes from offering free product to us pleebs.
Me. I will fight. Who do I fight?
No, what they are doing is walking into the Local sam goody, picking up a cd, holding it in their hand and electronically copying it to the magnetic media ingrained into the palm of said hand (Or better yet magically transmitting it via the antennae in their head to a waiting hard drive at home). They put the CD back in the rack and leave, the MEDIA is not affected and can be purchased by someone else. Get your analogy straight before you speak up! ;)
For theft to occur something has to have actual physical existence first, and we all have to agree that (Boyband) does not exist.
"Curses! Our plan to launch Near-light-speed rocks at the earth foiled by DUBYA"
Seriously, could a rock big enough to cause mass extinction (on a global scale) really sneak up on us? Yes, I know smaller rocks have, but hence the term smaller... I can live with losing a city to a sneaky ball of dirt.. but a texas sized comet (asteroid, whatever) would have to be able to switch speeds pretty quick for us to miss it coming at us..right?
Dr. Evil Moment: Six Minutes? Feh, launched from the moon a rock the size of a voltswagon could flatten...(your city here) in under three. I shall call it a cata-pult and using this cata-pult, I can flatten any city I wish, as long as it is visible form the moonEND DR EVIL MOMENT
This is drivel
.... why waste ink and time on something that limits freedom?
I am personally insulted by any person or persons who want to say:
"The masses have no taste, thus we shall attempt to impose our tastes upon those that produce the media they are entertained by"
I don't like it when the PMRC does it and I truly hate it when it is done in the name of ART.
Doesn't this just equal reverse homogenization? If you can't make your game/film look great under these constraints, done make your game/movie. Lovely.
This sounds so much like, if you don't make your music without using sample loops from other artists, we'll sue. Or, "feh, this game is too much like Doom/Quake, so it must suck"
These kinds of organizations love to hide behind the statement, "If you don't like it don't watch/play (I resisted the urge to put the obligatory man here)" but wail and moan when things like Quake/Doom/Gone in 60 Seconds succeed (commercially). I have no beef with being intelligent and/or culture; I just despise those people who make it into a lifestyle choice, like being a goth.
BTW I LOVED 'Armageddon' right along with 'Seven' 'The Mighty' 'Fight Club' 'The Crow' and 'OG: Original Gangsta'