Many reasons. First, most places on Earth didn't have what we'd call "civilization" until well beyond 6-10,000 years ago, and most of them got it from the Egyptians/Babylonians. There just isn't a need for people to form complex societies when populations are small, and resources are abundant. In the middle east/Africa, conditions were such that large groups were better able to survive - read up on the history of agriculture sometime.
Hell, most of North America was populated with hunter/gatherers until Europeans came, and it's not like they weren't 'smart' enough or anything. Sometimes people just don't need it.
Or, take the easy route: the Earth is only 6/12,000 years old, and don't bother asking the important questions:)
And as the CNN version of this story mentions, which is more significant to you? The handwritten letter that you received from your relative just he or she died, or that quick email saying "Call me" you got and deleted?
I'm pretty sure if anyone was going to e-mail me that a relative had just died, they wouldn't just say "Call me".
You're confusing the medium and the message, and no kids, the two aren't always the same.
What you've been told is a bunch of bullshit. For one thing, it's illegal to discriminate against someone just because they're illiterate. Hence, signing 'X' on a contract is perfectly legal, if that's how you sign your name.
People that force you to use cursive to write your signature are just so unhappy with their lives that they need to exert what little power they have in order to get through their day.
(This coming from someone who signs only the first initial of his first name. Hey, I signed something like 500 letters a day for several years, and it's a hard habit to break:)
Security cameras may not prevent a *specific* break-in, but information gained from that break-in can help to further secure a location. How did the burglar get in, how did she bypass our security mechanisms, etc. Same goes for honeypots and computer networks.
Saying "security cameras don't prevent break-ins very well" is kind of like saying "crash investigations don't prevent accidents". On a single event, you're right. But that's not the point at all.
From the spec sheet it looks like this would be fun as a hacking platform
It was more fun to hack the platform itself. For those not in the know, the NIC basically ran a highly customized Linux distro (seemed to have parts of RedHat, Debian, and others from what I could tell), all wrapped with a minimal window manager (enlightenment iirc), and Netscape as your entire front end. The whole thing booted off CD-ROM, and came with a 4mb flash drive to store configuration changes, bookmarks, etc. A nice handy web/email/irc box for grandma, or public access kiosks, or what have you. Oh, and before anyone asks, a stock Knoppix distro refused to run on it - at least when I tried it.
Now, the interesting part were some of the apps you could launch from it - telnet, and several other xterm-wrapped applications. Pretty powerful machine, all things considered - but there is NO command shell option. So of course, let's get one:
As I said, the distro it comes with is highly custom, a LOT of standard binaries aren't even on the CD, and it's been stripped to the essentials. But of course, we have our good friend Bash, just not direcly reachable. Easiest way I found was to escape out of a telnet session. Now, when you run its telnet client, you have a pop-up window asking you the hostname and port. This gets passed direcly to the telnet binary and ran. The designers actually went to the trouble to block the space bar being hit within this window (tricky devils! I'm sure some of you see where I'm going here), so we'll just use some copy & paste to have -e passed along with the hostname. This gives us an escape character within the telnet application itself, which (ta-da!) gives us a nice shell.
The fun part was trying to get some power. You're running as a pretty unprivledged user here, but hey! No shadowing of passwords! In any event, I got lazy and Googled a bit. No word of a lie, the root password on every last NIC that I've touched is (hard-coded on the CD, of course) "4getit". Clever, no?
Moral of the story: good thing these boxes never took off as public terminals. Takes about 30 seconds from boot to get root, and yes, the 4mb flash drive is just large enough for fun things like NetCat:)
So why not use Windows 95? You're right, 3.1 is pretty useless, and running anything 32-bit is one hell of a kludge - so go with 95. Turn off everything you don't need, and hell, you can have it emulate 3.1 if you want. Just run progman.exe at startup.
Unless you're trying to use it on a 486, 95 is very snappy, and loads in a matter of seconds. 3.1 interface and responsiveness, and able to run pretty much any modern application - you're set!:)
You do of course realize that the words 'minimalist' and 'minimalism' were around a long time before Art co-opted them, right?
Minimalism is use of the fewest and barest essentials or elements, (as in the arts, literature, or design).
Minimalist is being or providing a bare minimum of what is necessary.
Both pulled from dictionary.com, both only indirectly refer to the artistic side of things. I'd say using the MINIMAL amount of anything surely qualifies as MINIMALism - whether you're baking, writing code, making love (insert spam jokes here), you name it.
I keep seeing posts to the effect of 'everything is turned off', but in Microsoft parlance, turning something off doesn't necessarily do that. I can turn off file and printer sharing, for example, but still see several ports related to it being open on my machine. In fact, I've yet to see an NT-based Windows install that has no ports open, and I've played with some seriously intense hardening guides.
If the services are turned off, why are these ports still open? If there are still services being offered, WHY?? XP home has no business accepting incoming connections from the outside world, unles the user explictly asks for them.
And no, 'use a firewall' is not sufficient an answer:)
ethics (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession: medical ethics.
I'd say business ethics encompasses the rules and/or standards governing the conduct of persons who conduct business.
I don't see the oxymoron here. Just because you may think someone is doing something wrong, does not make it unethical. It could perhaps be immoral, although then you're getting into personal beliefs, which don't necessarily apply to everyone else out there.
I don't see why you couldn't. Then again, I don't see why you couldn't also run tcpdump/ethereal/packet sniffer of your choice. These are pretty much all passive systems, so unless your ISP is hacking into your box to see what processes are running on it, they'll never know.
What I'd be more concerned about, and someone else touched upon here, is that your cable ISP is running a really ancient setup. Basically, you and everyone else on your node are on effectively a flat ethernet, and all traffic that goes to you also goes to them. It's up to the ethernet card to discard packets not intended for you, which is why your ISP doesn't want you sniffing your connection - you can basically see *everything* your neighbours are doing. Note that many internet protocols use plaintext passwords (email being the most obvious), so you could do some pretty serious damage if you were so inclined. Also you can get a good idea of what porn fetishes the guy next-door has, etc.
Modern cable ISPs implement (Docsis? someone help me out here) that basically isolates your traffic from everyone else, so that you can no longer sniff them. If this is the case, and your ISP has the 'no-sniff' rule in their TOS, it's probably just left over from the bad old days.
Regardless, at the end of the day, my ISP can blow me if they think I don't have the right to sniff traffic coming to my box. *You* sent it to me, and if you don't like it, then fix it. The technology isn't exactly new. And again, it's virtually impossible to get caught, so no big whoop either way.
A word of caution though, DON'T try using anything like ettercap (is used to sniff switched networks). It is by no means passive, and will give you away pretty easily. Consider yourself warned:)
Think about it: Atari (or Infogrames, whatever) paid over $20 million to make and over $60 million just for the LICENSE to create Enter The Matrix. It features lame gameplay, bad design, and a boringness that is almost unparalelled (sure its fun for five minutes, but c'mon).
And in 1982 Atari paid millions for the rights to an E.T. game, that featured "lame gameplay, bad design, and a boringness that is almost unparalelled (sure its fun for five minutes, but c'mon)".
For most of the 1980's, games fell into 4 or 5 genres, all clones/variants of the popular titles at the time. Every play Mr Do, Dig Dug, etc? They're all Pac-Man wannabes. Ask the original developers themselves sometime, if you don't believe me. Companies would see a new game become popular, then instruct their programmers to basically dupe it.
This has been going on since the beginning of the video game industry, and anyone posting "games these days are getting derivative/boring" is just showing how young they truly are./me wanders off to play one of the 800 Street Fighter clones that came out in the 90s.
Besides the fact that gambling hasn't been illegal in many places for decades, this comparison really irks.
Insurance is about the *spread of risk*. If one in every 100 houses burns down every year, then everyone pays 1/100 of the cost of a new house annually. No single homeowner is burdened with the cost of a new house, but everyone pays a little to protect their investment.
Insurance, simply, is putting in something small on the off chance something bad happens that would otherwise cost you money. Gambling, on the other hand, is putting in something small, on the slight chance that you may come out of it with more than you put in. Yes, there is a difference. Mainly, in that insurance is not, and never has been, intended as a way to make money - only to help you not lose it.
As for insurance companies trying to 'get out of paying', you should know that by far, most claims get paid without question, once reasonable proof of loss is put forth by the insured (in Canada we're at something over 90% of all claims are not challenged). Fraud statistics, on the other hand, show anywhere from 10-50% (depends on who you ask) of all insurance claims are either bogus or inflated. Personally, I'm very happy that my insurance company investigates suspicious claims - it keeps my premiums down for when I actually DO need to use it.
Just in case anyone is curious, most insurance policies actually do cover an awful lot of so-called 'Acts of God'. Things like hailstorms, sewer backup due to intense rain, lightning, windstorms...
What typically is *not* covered are the mass catastrophes, like floods, earthquakes, asteroids hitting the Earth, etc. Some of this for obvious reasons, some of it because governments usually provide disaster relief for it.
Of course, YMMV, in areas that are hurricane-prone you will have a hard time getting insurance for it. Kind of like how people that play russian roulette have a hard time getting life insurance. It makes a twisted sort of sense from an insurance company's standpoint.
The usual idea with insurance coverage is a "sudden and accidental" loss, and also something that you don't expect to happen every year or 2. Most houses aren't broken into every year, so this is covered. But 10 years with a leaky roof, and the $30,000 in mold damage isn't going to be covered.
Man, Slashdot readers sure show their ignorance when it comes to maintaing Windows systems.
This is at least the 20th post that I've seen which states "all you need to do is clean out your 'startup items' and remove excess software you don't use".
Ok, so: who can list all of the places an application/service can start from within Windows? (hint: it's more than programs\startup, win.ini, and the 3 or 4 registry keys you may have heard about - and I bet most people don't even realize this much). Ok, so you've nailed all of that. Now, it's time to remove the excess applications - what's that? All uninstallers don't behave nicely? You're finding DLLs from applications you removed that are still in \system32? How can it be??? I asked Windows to uninstall it!!!!
Yes, it's not as bad as Windows 95 these days. However, the registry just keeps getting worse. Extra and conflicing libraries are still a huge hassle on Windows-based systems. And unless you're intending on auditing, line for line, every registry entry you have (mine's a few megs of binary data, have fun), and checking every single file you have, making sure it's the appropriate version (did I mention you can't check source for most applications, so you really never know what DLL should be there?)....
"It runs ok for me" and "as long as your system runs, it's fine" is NOT sufficient, and anyone who tries these lines should be ashamed of themselves.
Are you kidding? You have to leave your home, pay a new keyboard ($75+taxes for the Logitech which is equivalent of more than two hours of work)
Man, some people are so insular it's scary.
You know, most of the world actually leaves home from time to time. Work, school, social activities, grocery shopping, you name it. Popping into Best Buy for 5 minutes when it's 10 feet from the Safeway isn't exactly a time killer.
As for $75 being more than 2 hours of work.. I'd say it's more than 10 hours of work, after taxes, for most people on/.
And if nothing else, if you think driving to a store once a year or 2 to buy a new keyboard is really that much of a damper on your wanting-to-live-indoors-24-7 lifestyle... maybe the keyboard is trying to tell you something:)
Tolkein was often quoted as hating anyone who tried to attach meaning that wasn't there to literary works. He'd have hated the level of allegory his books supposedly represent these days.
Reminds me of grade school English class, where we'd write a story/poem, and then the class tried to analyze it. I'd often as not just write some mundane piece about people walking down the street, and the class would proceed, with the teacher's help, to show how I REALLY was talking about the progress one takes through life, and a bunch of utter bullshit. I always had a laugh when the teacher would ask what I meant by a particular passage, and I'd just look at him/her and say "Um, they went for a walk. Nothing more, nothing less".
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Hell, most of North America was populated with hunter/gatherers until Europeans came, and it's not like they weren't 'smart' enough or anything.
:)
Thats not true. Specific cases in North America
I guess someone's completely unfamiliar with the term 'most'
Many reasons. First, most places on Earth didn't have what we'd call "civilization" until well beyond 6-10,000 years ago, and most of them got it from the Egyptians/Babylonians. There just isn't a need for people to form complex societies when populations are small, and resources are abundant. In the middle east/Africa, conditions were such that large groups were better able to survive - read up on the history of agriculture sometime.
:)
Hell, most of North America was populated with hunter/gatherers until Europeans came, and it's not like they weren't 'smart' enough or anything. Sometimes people just don't need it.
Or, take the easy route: the Earth is only 6/12,000 years old, and don't bother asking the important questions
And as the CNN version of this story mentions, which is more significant to you? The handwritten letter that you received from your relative just he or she died, or that quick email saying "Call me" you got and deleted?
I'm pretty sure if anyone was going to e-mail me that a relative had just died, they wouldn't just say "Call me".
You're confusing the medium and the message, and no kids, the two aren't always the same.
What you've been told is a bunch of bullshit. For one thing, it's illegal to discriminate against someone just because they're illiterate. Hence, signing 'X' on a contract is perfectly legal, if that's how you sign your name.
:)
People that force you to use cursive to write your signature are just so unhappy with their lives that they need to exert what little power they have in order to get through their day.
(This coming from someone who signs only the first initial of his first name. Hey, I signed something like 500 letters a day for several years, and it's a hard habit to break
What the hell are you talking about??
looks at his Tangerine iMac
Oh.
Never mind then, carry on, these aren't the droids you're looking for.
Wow, thanks for duplicating the story header, and getting modded up for it.
Yoda had a speech for winning "Best Fight", but it wasn't anything close to this.
And can someone explain to me the abundance of 'speach' on Slashdot? Is this a lose/loose thing, or do other English-speaking countries use 'speach'?
Security cameras may not prevent a *specific* break-in, but information gained from that break-in can help to further secure a location. How did the burglar get in, how did she bypass our security mechanisms, etc. Same goes for honeypots and computer networks.
Saying "security cameras don't prevent break-ins very well" is kind of like saying "crash investigations don't prevent accidents". On a single event, you're right. But that's not the point at all.
I naively thought that Microsoft's main operating system was Windows - you know, that thing that runs on 90-something percent of desktops worldwide?
Wasn't Bob basically Clippy the first?
From the spec sheet it looks like this would be fun as a hacking platform
:)
It was more fun to hack the platform itself. For those not in the know, the NIC basically ran a highly customized Linux distro (seemed to have parts of RedHat, Debian, and others from what I could tell), all wrapped with a minimal window manager (enlightenment iirc), and Netscape as your entire front end. The whole thing booted off CD-ROM, and came with a 4mb flash drive to store configuration changes, bookmarks, etc. A nice handy web/email/irc box for grandma, or public access kiosks, or what have you. Oh, and before anyone asks, a stock Knoppix distro refused to run on it - at least when I tried it.
Now, the interesting part were some of the apps you could launch from it - telnet, and several other xterm-wrapped applications. Pretty powerful machine, all things considered - but there is NO command shell option. So of course, let's get one:
As I said, the distro it comes with is highly custom, a LOT of standard binaries aren't even on the CD, and it's been stripped to the essentials. But of course, we have our good friend Bash, just not direcly reachable. Easiest way I found was to escape out of a telnet session. Now, when you run its telnet client, you have a pop-up window asking you the hostname and port. This gets passed direcly to the telnet binary and ran. The designers actually went to the trouble to block the space bar being hit within this window (tricky devils! I'm sure some of you see where I'm going here), so we'll just use some copy & paste to have -e passed along with the hostname. This gives us an escape character within the telnet application itself, which (ta-da!) gives us a nice shell.
The fun part was trying to get some power. You're running as a pretty unprivledged user here, but hey! No shadowing of passwords! In any event, I got lazy and Googled a bit. No word of a lie, the root password on every last NIC that I've touched is (hard-coded on the CD, of course) "4getit". Clever, no?
Moral of the story: good thing these boxes never took off as public terminals. Takes about 30 seconds from boot to get root, and yes, the 4mb flash drive is just large enough for fun things like NetCat
Hey, what can I say... I've been busy lately.
So why not use Windows 95? You're right, 3.1 is pretty useless, and running anything 32-bit is one hell of a kludge - so go with 95. Turn off everything you don't need, and hell, you can have it emulate 3.1 if you want. Just run progman.exe at startup.
:)
Unless you're trying to use it on a 486, 95 is very snappy, and loads in a matter of seconds. 3.1 interface and responsiveness, and able to run pretty much any modern application - you're set!
You do of course realize that the words 'minimalist' and 'minimalism' were around a long time before Art co-opted them, right?
Minimalism is use of the fewest and barest essentials or elements, (as in the arts, literature, or design).
Minimalist is being or providing a bare minimum of what is necessary.
Both pulled from dictionary.com, both only indirectly refer to the artistic side of things. I'd say using the MINIMAL amount of anything surely qualifies as MINIMALism - whether you're baking, writing code, making love (insert spam jokes here), you name it.
Perhaps you can answer this question for me:
:)
What ports are open on a default Win2003 install?
I keep seeing posts to the effect of 'everything is turned off', but in Microsoft parlance, turning something off doesn't necessarily do that. I can turn off file and printer sharing, for example, but still see several ports related to it being open on my machine. In fact, I've yet to see an NT-based Windows install that has no ports open, and I've played with some seriously intense hardening guides.
If the services are turned off, why are these ports still open? If there are still services being offered, WHY?? XP home has no business accepting incoming connections from the outside world, unles the user explictly asks for them.
And no, 'use a firewall' is not sufficient an answer
ethics (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The rules or standards governing the conduct of a person or the members of a profession: medical ethics.
I'd say business ethics encompasses the rules and/or standards governing the conduct of persons who conduct business.
I don't see the oxymoron here. Just because you may think someone is doing something wrong, does not make it unethical. It could perhaps be immoral, although then you're getting into personal beliefs, which don't necessarily apply to everyone else out there.
I don't see why you couldn't. Then again, I don't see why you couldn't also run tcpdump/ethereal/packet sniffer of your choice. These are pretty much all passive systems, so unless your ISP is hacking into your box to see what processes are running on it, they'll never know.
:)
What I'd be more concerned about, and someone else touched upon here, is that your cable ISP is running a really ancient setup. Basically, you and everyone else on your node are on effectively a flat ethernet, and all traffic that goes to you also goes to them. It's up to the ethernet card to discard packets not intended for you, which is why your ISP doesn't want you sniffing your connection - you can basically see *everything* your neighbours are doing. Note that many internet protocols use plaintext passwords (email being the most obvious), so you could do some pretty serious damage if you were so inclined. Also you can get a good idea of what porn fetishes the guy next-door has, etc.
Modern cable ISPs implement (Docsis? someone help me out here) that basically isolates your traffic from everyone else, so that you can no longer sniff them. If this is the case, and your ISP has the 'no-sniff' rule in their TOS, it's probably just left over from the bad old days.
Regardless, at the end of the day, my ISP can blow me if they think I don't have the right to sniff traffic coming to my box. *You* sent it to me, and if you don't like it, then fix it. The technology isn't exactly new. And again, it's virtually impossible to get caught, so no big whoop either way.
A word of caution though, DON'T try using anything like ettercap (is used to sniff switched networks). It is by no means passive, and will give you away pretty easily. Consider yourself warned
The SQL Slammer worm is still a daily occurrence, too.
(TCP port 1433 three SYNs in a row).
While everything else you said was bang on, Slammer actually uses port 1434, and doesn't use SYNs, as it travels over UDP.
If you're seeing repeated TCP attempts at 1433, it may be a worm or it may be someone messing with you, but it most certainly is not Slammer.
Think about it: Atari (or Infogrames, whatever) paid over $20 million to make and over $60 million just for the LICENSE to create Enter The Matrix. It features lame gameplay, bad design, and a boringness that is almost unparalelled (sure its fun for five minutes, but c'mon).
/me wanders off to play one of the 800 Street Fighter clones that came out in the 90s.
And in 1982 Atari paid millions for the rights to an E.T. game, that featured "lame gameplay, bad design, and a boringness that is almost unparalelled (sure its fun for five minutes, but c'mon)".
For most of the 1980's, games fell into 4 or 5 genres, all clones/variants of the popular titles at the time. Every play Mr Do, Dig Dug, etc? They're all Pac-Man wannabes. Ask the original developers themselves sometime, if you don't believe me. Companies would see a new game become popular, then instruct their programmers to basically dupe it.
This has been going on since the beginning of the video game industry, and anyone posting "games these days are getting derivative/boring" is just showing how young they truly are.
Yes, because we all know just how badly piracy hurt the Playstation(s).
Already happened, see: D-Day.
Besides the fact that gambling hasn't been illegal in many places for decades, this comparison really irks.
Insurance is about the *spread of risk*. If one in every 100 houses burns down every year, then everyone pays 1/100 of the cost of a new house annually. No single homeowner is burdened with the cost of a new house, but everyone pays a little to protect their investment.
Insurance, simply, is putting in something small on the off chance something bad happens that would otherwise cost you money. Gambling, on the other hand, is putting in something small, on the slight chance that you may come out of it with more than you put in. Yes, there is a difference. Mainly, in that insurance is not, and never has been, intended as a way to make money - only to help you not lose it.
As for insurance companies trying to 'get out of paying', you should know that by far, most claims get paid without question, once reasonable proof of loss is put forth by the insured (in Canada we're at something over 90% of all claims are not challenged). Fraud statistics, on the other hand, show anywhere from 10-50% (depends on who you ask) of all insurance claims are either bogus or inflated. Personally, I'm very happy that my insurance company investigates suspicious claims - it keeps my premiums down for when I actually DO need to use it.
Just in case anyone is curious, most insurance policies actually do cover an awful lot of so-called 'Acts of God'. Things like hailstorms, sewer backup due to intense rain, lightning, windstorms...
What typically is *not* covered are the mass catastrophes, like floods, earthquakes, asteroids hitting the Earth, etc. Some of this for obvious reasons, some of it because governments usually provide disaster relief for it.
Of course, YMMV, in areas that are hurricane-prone you will have a hard time getting insurance for it. Kind of like how people that play russian roulette have a hard time getting life insurance. It makes a twisted sort of sense from an insurance company's standpoint.
The usual idea with insurance coverage is a "sudden and accidental" loss, and also something that you don't expect to happen every year or 2. Most houses aren't broken into every year, so this is covered. But 10 years with a leaky roof, and the $30,000 in mold damage isn't going to be covered.
Man, Slashdot readers sure show their ignorance when it comes to maintaing Windows systems.
This is at least the 20th post that I've seen which states "all you need to do is clean out your 'startup items' and remove excess software you don't use".
Ok, so: who can list all of the places an application/service can start from within Windows? (hint: it's more than programs\startup, win.ini, and the 3 or 4 registry keys you may have heard about - and I bet most people don't even realize this much). Ok, so you've nailed all of that. Now, it's time to remove the excess applications - what's that? All uninstallers don't behave nicely? You're finding DLLs from applications you removed that are still in \system32? How can it be??? I asked Windows to uninstall it!!!!
Yes, it's not as bad as Windows 95 these days. However, the registry just keeps getting worse. Extra and conflicing libraries are still a huge hassle on Windows-based systems. And unless you're intending on auditing, line for line, every registry entry you have (mine's a few megs of binary data, have fun), and checking every single file you have, making sure it's the appropriate version (did I mention you can't check source for most applications, so you really never know what DLL should be there?)....
"It runs ok for me" and "as long as your system runs, it's fine" is NOT sufficient, and anyone who tries these lines should be ashamed of themselves.
Are you kidding? You have to leave your home, pay a new keyboard ($75+taxes for the Logitech which is equivalent of more than two hours of work)
/.
:)
Man, some people are so insular it's scary.
You know, most of the world actually leaves home from time to time. Work, school, social activities, grocery shopping, you name it. Popping into Best Buy for 5 minutes when it's 10 feet from the Safeway isn't exactly a time killer.
As for $75 being more than 2 hours of work.. I'd say it's more than 10 hours of work, after taxes, for most people on
And if nothing else, if you think driving to a store once a year or 2 to buy a new keyboard is really that much of a damper on your wanting-to-live-indoors-24-7 lifestyle... maybe the keyboard is trying to tell you something
Tolkein was often quoted as hating anyone who tried to attach meaning that wasn't there to literary works. He'd have hated the level of allegory his books supposedly represent these days.
Reminds me of grade school English class, where we'd write a story/poem, and then the class tried to analyze it. I'd often as not just write some mundane piece about people walking down the street, and the class would proceed, with the teacher's help, to show how I REALLY was talking about the progress one takes through life, and a bunch of utter bullshit. I always had a laugh when the teacher would ask what I meant by a particular passage, and I'd just look at him/her and say "Um, they went for a walk. Nothing more, nothing less".
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