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Slashback: NIC, Dastar, Defects

Slashback tonight with a round of corrections and updates to recent (and not recent) Slashdot postings. Read on to find out more on the fate of Larry Ellison's thin-client Linux machine, OpenTV vs. GNU, getting satisfaction instead of defective hard drives, and more. Enjoy!

Was it ahead of its time or vice versa? BreadMan writes "After limping along for years, the New Internet Computer (NIC) company finally went under. Founded by Larry Ellison, NIC sold a diskless workstation running Linux targeted at home users that wanted internet access. From the spec sheet it looks like this would be fun as a hacking platform if you can get one on the cheap."

Way to GNU! xarium writes "Seems that in response to pressure from the FSF OpenTV has released the source code to all of its compilers. You can download the full package here (~18meg)."

Because a hard drive should not be a rhythm section. Dynamoo writes "As previously noted in Slashdot, Fujitsu MPG3xx series hard drives have been failing in huge numbers. The U.S. law firm, Shepherd Finkelman Miller & Shah is currently conducting a class action against Fujitsu and HP for knowingly distributing faulty drives. According the this article in The Register, Gateway has now been lined up as a defendant.

The fault appears to impact MPG3102AT, MPG3204AT, MPG3307AT and MPG3409AT units manufactured in early 2001. If you have one of these, then it has probably failed already, if not you should replace it asap. If you're a customer of HP/Compaq you can visit the HP Hard Disk Drive Replacement Program site.
We had about 40 of these things fitted to Compaq DeskPro EXDs, and I can assure you the failure rate is pushing 100%."

In the public domain, no one knows you're a dog. smiff writes "United Press International reports on Dastar v. Twentieth Century Fox. Reversing lower court rulings, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Dastar did not violate the origin-of-work provision of the Lanham act. Dastar had taken public domain video, made some modifications, and sold it as its own product. Twentieth Century Fox sued claiming they should have been given credit for the video. According to Antonin Scalia, Dastar would have violated the Lanham Act if it had simply repacked the material and sold it as its own. But since Dastar made some minor changes, the Lanham Act doesn't apply.

While Dastar has been cleared under the Lanham Act, the Supreme Court sent the case back for a rehearing. The Fox video entered the public domain in 1977, but the book it was based on is still protected by copyright."

... or get off the pot. Brazilian Joe writes "The LinuxTag folks, as you may know, are responsible for a restraining order against SCO's claims in Germany. As a result, SCO has shut down its Germany web site. Story here."

217 comments

  1. Rest in peace!!! by macshune · · Score: 1, Funny

    R.I.P.N.I.C.

    1. Re:Rest in peace!!! by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 3, Informative

      The NIC was a neat idea in concept, but when I had played with one, I soon realized the hardware was complete schitt. We did manage to successfully mess with the ISO image, and even got into correspondence with some of the developers about it. They seemed pretty cool, and helped us out in hacking the image.

      Oh well. That's the way it goes.

  2. Im glad I dont have a Fujitsu drive by .!.+(0.o)+.!. · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... thankfully, I have an IBM Death^H^H^H^H^HDeskStar :-/ purchased 8/02 dead 10/02

    1. Re:Im glad I dont have a Fujitsu drive by antis0c · · Score: 1

      You know whats interesting? I bought two IBM DeskStar 15 gig drives (Same model). I gave one to my father who used it in his Windows machine, and the other went into an OpenBSD web server.

      My father has had that drive replaced 4 times eventually getting a non-IBM drive.

      The DeskStar in the OpenBSD machine, has been running for almost 4 years, non-stop, with no failures.

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      ..There's a-dooin's a-transpirin'
    2. Re:Im glad I dont have a Fujitsu drive by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I bought a 20GB deskstar for my home computer (Linux and Win2k) early 2001.

      Then I was asked to build a system at work (Linux), and I got a 40GB deskstar, mid 2001.

      Then I wanted to upgrade my workstation at work (Win2k), and added a 60GB deskstar (mid 2002).

      Then I built another system at work, with another 60GB deskstar (Win2k, mid 2002).

      Recently I got another 40GB for home.

      Haven't had a single problem - although after the warnings last year I bought HDD cooling fans for the ones at home.

      No clicks of death yet.

      --
      Stupid sexy Flanders.
    3. Re:Im glad I dont have a Fujitsu drive by anomaly · · Score: 1

      I'm running 2 deskstars at home - both 45GB models, both in Linux systems.

      They are working perfectly for me.

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      But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
    4. Re:Im glad I dont have a Fujitsu drive by Fluid+Truth · · Score: 1

      At our work, we bought some Dells with 45 GB Deskstars and, one by one, they all are dying (mine was dated Aug 2000, but I don't know when we actually got them purchased). Granted I got a bit more use out of mine, but then, I never turn the computer off, so it should have had a LOT less wear and tear.

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  3. Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wonder how this will turn out. My guess is the law firm will get some money, HP and Fujitsu will lose some money, but consumers will get almost nothing.

    There have been a number of class action laws-uits I've noticed of late where the members of the class get little or nothing. Cases in point

    -Best Buy gets sued by people who didn't understand the terms of it's extended warrenty. Best Buy settles, gives coupons for more crap at best buy to the members of the class.

    -Salton (maker of the george forman grill) gets sued for price fixing. Settles. Money gets paid to health charities, consumers who theoretically lost money due to overcharges get nothing

    There are a ton of similar cases.

    1. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sometimes these things do pan out for us the consumers. When Iomega got class-actioned back in 1995 or '96 for supposedly selling faulty Zip drives, I got either a pack of Zip disks or a whole new drive (it was a while back, my memory is leaky) out of it. The kicker is, I never even signed up for membership in the class, because my unit was working just fine (still would be, probably, if I had it hooked up to anything). I was happily impressed.

      Usually, though, you're right; the consumers get cheaped off with a $5.00 check or a coupon for more defective crap. I suppose the idea is to spank the offending company hard enough that they'll think twice about cutting corners the next time. I wonder if that tactic ever works?

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      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

    2. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most class action lawsuits are settled in this manner. It beats a kick in the head, but is still pretty insulting. The law firm's part of the settlement is paid in cash. The legal system is pretty broken, I realize the motives of the businessmen who write about it almost weekly on the WSJ's editorial page, are less than pure, but they make a pretty good point, the system is broken and should be fixed. The last big settlement that I can remember that paid cash or other items of value to the defrauded was Lucent's shareholder settlement. I think the terms would still pretty much be a drop in the bucket, it was something like a few hundred million mostly in warrents (long term options), and investors in the class probably lost an order of magnitude more than that. I don't know, the class was limited to people who bought pretty late in the bubble, so it could have been relativly small.

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    3. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically you think the system is broken because it isn't giving you money?

    4. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by siskbc · · Score: 1
      There have been a number of class action laws-uits I've noticed of late where the members of the class get little or nothing.

      Of *late*??? I am unaware of any time where this was not the case.

      Best Buy gets sued by people who didn't understand the terms of it's extended warrenty. Best Buy settles, gives coupons for more crap at best buy to the members of the class.

      I love that one. Anyone dumb enough to get the extended warranty probably isn't going to be smart enough to read the contract that comes with their Happy Meal.

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      -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    5. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Myself · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's funny, I got jack. The offer I remember was a $10-off coupon if I decided to buy yet another zip drive. There was certainly never any offer to simply replace the defective drive, or I would have done so!

    6. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also the CD price-fixing lawsuit. I think that the average participant got $20 or so. Not much, but not nothing.

    7. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if you read the terms of the CD price-fixing settlement, if more than a certain number of people claim the refund, it all goes to charity and the consumers get.... nothing.

    8. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by nelsonal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No the class action system is broken because you have inordinately large payouts going to a few very wealthy law firms, I respect the risk they take, and think they should get fat fees, but this seems beyond excessive. At the same time the parties that were actually injured recieve tokens of defraudment, which usually must be partially applied to future purchases. Is microsoft really hurt by donating a few Windows licenses to some needy schools? Adding the retail value of the coupons, vouchers, and discounts, to the lawyer fees gives a pretty impressive total, but given that most of the injured parties are likely not to try the company's products again, was it really anything other than some real payoffs to the annoying lawyers, and a large sounding token to those who were really injured?

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    9. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was pretty surprised, myself. I don't know what the hell happened. I just got a package one day. My last name starts with "C", so maybe they only had so many to go around and went through the list in alphabetical order.

      Jack is about what I would have expected, though.

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      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

    10. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by M.+Silver · · Score: 2, Informative

      Countercite, I think... 1995 3.6L Ford Windstar owners got their money back if they had to replace a blown headgasket between 60K (the old warranty) and 100K (the settlement) miles. I assume this was a result of the class-action suit. (I just know I got my $1400 refunded out of the deal. No interest, but we never expected to see *any* of that money again.)

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    11. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by kramer2718 · · Score: 1

      My dad had a 94 Tahoe that had a bad gas gauge that would have been quite expensive to fix. Now he's the anal retentive type, so he just watched his odometer until it was time to fill up. On one vacation, we ran out of gas in Northern Illinois in January in the middle of a snow storm.

      Of course we called AAA on a cell phone, but the driver was too stupid to find us. (We were on an exit ramp and told the dispatcher that, but apparently that information never made it to the tow truck driver.) A very nice highway patrolman stopped to help, and we got to sit in his car for warmth, but because of Illinois state law, he couldn't get us gas because we had already called AAA.

      Eventually AAA found us and we got back on the road but my dad really heard about watching the odometer more closely.

      A couple of years later, he had got a letter in the mail about a class action settlement. Chevrolet claimed that in the first models of the Chevy Tahoe resided a 30 gallon gas tank. Problem was, the tank only held 27 gallons. The settlement was $500 off the price of your next GM car. What a ripoff. In order to take advantage of that, you'd be forced to drive a GM car, and as we all have seen that's a terrible idea.

    12. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Traxton1 · · Score: 1
      Just because the consumers aren't getting anything from the suit, doesn't mean they're not getting anything. I have an HP and I know that I had to replace the hard drive 3 times, and at least one of those was probably a Fujitsu, but HP took care of it everytime, so they're really the ones taking the financial burden, so if they get some money from Fujitsu from it, I wouldn't be the least bit offended. Hopefully all the customers got the replacement drive like I did, and I don't think it'd be a bad thing that they personally don't reap financial benefits from it.

      I know computer nerds aren't supposed to buy prebuilts, but it was bought for me, and HP really came through. I didn't even have to pay for shipping or any costs. Really made a good impression on me.

    13. Re:Ahh, another class action lawsuit... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to understand how class action lawsuits really work. Companies do bad things which are either marginally illegal or abuse the public trust on a regular basis. A class action lawsuit seems like the "revenge of the little guy", right? Anything but. Basically the defendants and the lawyers on both sides collude to clear the company of legal responsibility as cheaply as possible. A CA lawsuit might be filed against a tire manufacturer, for instance. 5 other tire manufacturers might willingly join in as defendants for various unrelated bad things they've done in the same time span. This way, when the action is settled, everybody's liability for the bad things they did goes away. Then the lawyers make a token effort to contact the members of the class. There might be a dozen CA lawsuits going on right now where you're a member of the class, and you would never know about it. Then the lawyers sit down and decide how much they want to get paid, and the companies decide how much it's worth to clear their legal liability. Then they settle, make restitution to the few people who they actually identified as class members, and work out some way for the lawyers to pocket the rest or for the companies to donate it to charity and write it off their taxes. That's basically the template, unless it happens to be a high-profile case like infant formula that kills babies or something.

  4. SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by CoolQ · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just took a look at www.sco.de, and it loads just fine for me. I don't read German, but it seems to be in German. Is this a diversionary tactic by SCO?
    --Quentin

    1. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, although the article goes on to say that the link to the German site on the US site was removed, and that is true, it's missing from the contact page. So, diversionary tactic or snafu? I'd wager a snafu.

    2. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by jericho4.0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      After undertaking a comprehensive textual analysis of the provided link, I am able to confirm that, yes, the site is in German.

      --
      "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
    3. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It soon will be dead... I put some sco.de links in with today's SCO DDOS post...

    4. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 1

      Yeah - web is still running but I'm unable to find out there anything about SCO Source

    5. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 4, Informative
    6. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by wizzy403 · · Score: 1

      Just in time for a slashdotting, how thoughtful of them!

    7. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a quick translation:
      Front Page:
      "Alle Ihren Grunden sind uns gehoren."
      The Press Release:
      "Ich wollte einmal wie ein Uebermensch fliegen, aber mein Unterhosen meines Kostum war grun, nicht rot, und daweil war ich wie ein Stein in den Garten meiner Steifvater gefallen. Da der (mein Stiefvater) hiess Linus, hasse ich jetzt den ganzen Freisoftwarewelt!"

    8. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      score 5 informative?
      yes thanks for that bit of information.
      I can't think of any website I would less like to visit than sco's german site.

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    9. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Now someone just needs to whack it hard on the head...

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      20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
    10. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by pLnCrZy · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that you'd actually PREFER goatse?

    11. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by ae · · Score: 1

      Well, now it's gone again. The entire content of the site is " ".

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    12. Re:SCO's German Site Isn't Dead! by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      What does "all your base are belong to us" have to do with wanting to fly like Superman, but having gren, not red, underwear? And why did trying, and failing, to fly, and landing in your stepfather's garden, cause him (your stepfather) to hate Linus, and why did that cause you to hate all of the free software world?

      Please to be explaining.

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      I found the meaning of life the other day, but I had write-only access.
  5. Speaking of SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, SCO is still not out of cash... aparantly. So, for them to stop, they need to run out first. Since they have to pay for bandwidth... I guess using a little wouldn't hurt.

    So, got bandwidth? Mad at SCO? Want to learn more about their products and/or hear them talk? Last time they pulled the file when slashdot wanted to know how to administrate their Linux server. This time...

    Download a 36.6mb ZIP from the SCO Authorized Eduaction Partner program from here

    (for all you non-English speakers)
    a 12.9mb Italian OpenLinux manual pdf from here

    a 10mb Unixware administration pdf from here

    a 7.9mb mp3 of a Caldera confrence call (May 2002) from here

    a 4.2mb mp3 of a SCO confrence call from here

    a 4.5mb vector image of the Caldera logo from here

    OR

    a 6.8mb SCO education Linux courseware pdf from here

    ***If you want to get these interesting files easier, you can also launch an unspecified number of wget processes. You can even -O /dev/null them if you don't want to use disk space, but still want to download them...

    36.6mb: (removing the space in 'zip')
    wget sco.com/images/pdf/education/SCO_AEP_posterfiles.z ip

    12.9mb:
    wget sco.com/images/pdf/edesktop/edesktop_24_it.pdf

    10mb:
    wget sco.com/images/pdf/aep/UW7NET~1.PDF

    7.9mb:
    wget sco.com/images/pdf/06032002.mp3

    4.2mb:
    wget sco.com/images/pdf/q2.mp3

    5.4mb:
    wget http://www.sco.de/images/pdf/12-11-01.mp3

    9mb:
    wget sco.com/images/pdf/aep/OS5NET~1.PDF

    4mb:
    wget sco.de/images/pdf/unixware/946000000b.pdf

    And, if you need their entire website for offline viewing... not wanting to waste bandwidth downloading things multiple times:
    wget -r -l0 http://www.sco.com/

    1. Re:Speaking of SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's like a DDoS attack, only without the hassle of learning how to use a trojan...

    2. Re:Speaking of SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still prefer to download an evaluation version of their SCOoffice Volution product, weighing in at 128mb, from here.

      Or, wget: (removing the space(s))
      wget www2.caldera.com/download_files/049-000-001DL/volu tion_manager_1.1_eval.iso -O /dev/null

    3. Re:Speaking of SCO... by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 1

      Ooh, that's nasty. You, my friend, have an evil mind. I admire that.

      --

      What if life is just a side effect of some other process and God has no idea we exist?

    4. Re:Speaking of SCO... by __david__ · · Score: 2, Funny
      Or better yet:

      while true; do wget http://www2.caldera.com/download_files/049-000-001 DL/volution_manager_1.1_eval.iso -O /dev/null; done

      :-)

    5. Re:Speaking of SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember to clear out any tmp files to save space if you need to download these multiple times per hour! And open every pdf in a seperate window if so you can peruse these files all at the same time!

    6. Re:Speaking of SCO... by tucolino · · Score: 0

      while we are in the subject. taken from http://www.sco.com/company/campaigns/

      "SCO's servers and other office solutions are so reliable, some customers tell us that once they're installed, they require virtually no maintenance whatever!"

      you be the judge... hehe

    7. Re:Speaking of SCO... by Thing+1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My Favorite, from the other night. Put the following in the file
      kill_sco.sh
      and then "chmod u+x kill_sco.sh":

      #!/bin/sh
      wget -r -O /dev/null ftp://ftp.sco.com
      This will download their entire FTP site (to /dev/null of course).

      Put it in a loop if you really want to hurt them:

      while true ; do ./kill_sco.sh ; done
      Report back when the site's down. ;-P
      --
      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
    8. Re:Speaking of SCO... by sootman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Childish? Yes. Immature? Definately. Fun? Oh yeah.

      (But damn, either every ISP is caching this, or they have the ballsiest servers ever. I'm not kidding, this stuff is coming down faster than damn near anything else I've ever downloaded.)

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    9. Re:Speaking of SCO... by SEWilco · · Score: 1
      while we are in the subject. taken from http://www.sco.com/company/campaigns/

      "SCO's servers and other office solutions are so reliable, some customers tell us that once they're installed, they require virtually no maintenance whatever!"

      you be the judge... hehe

      Um..
      I'll agree SCO's servers require virtually no maintenance.
      The SCO web servers are running Linux.

    10. Re:Speaking of SCO... by steve's+nose+is+blee · · Score: 1

      Childish? Yes. Immature? Definately. Fun? Oh yeah.

      Amen Brother, Preach it!

      Guess I'll have their site safely in /dev/null in about 10 hours =)

    11. Re:Speaking of SCO... by tucolino · · Score: 0

      i was just making reference to the typo.

  6. Unix Trademark & SCO by El · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think it would be more effective to try to get the UnixGroup to file a restraining order banning SCO from the use of the "Unix" trademark. That would _really_ hit SCO where it hurts... imagine having to rewrite all of their code and promotional material to elimate the word "Unix"!

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

    1. Re:Unix Trademark & SCO by IncohereD · · Score: 2, Informative

      They more than likely have signed a contract to use the trademark, and you need a good reason to break a contract.

      Good reason as in the other side violated the agreement, not as in "we think they're a bunch of bastards now."

    2. Re:Unix Trademark & SCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Remember when the Unix groupd sued unix.com? They're jackasses too. And more lawsuits is never the right answer unless the question is "If I had two lawsuits and now I have three lawuits, how could you descriptively, but not too specifically state what I have now?"

    3. Re:Unix Trademark & SCO by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      imagine having to rewrite all of their code and promotional material to elimate the word "Unix"!

      Yes! Imagine the inconvenience of actually learning awk!

    4. Re:Unix Trademark & SCO by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      shut fuck up about sco.
      seriously.

      no, seriously, find something better to do with your life.
      and then do that.
      the whole sco thing is played out.

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    5. Re:Unix Trademark & SCO by El · · Score: 1

      You mean as in "No, that's not an encrypted message... it's just an awk script that I'm working on!"

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      "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  7. Larry Ellison sounded the PC death too soon by ikewillis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Larry Ellison has been preaching for nearly a decade that the PC is on the verge of death, and that it would soon be replaced by a number of small devices tailor made for certain tasks.

    The NIC was part of this push... why use an expensive, power hungry computer system to accomplish what can be done with a much simpler system tailor made to the task?

    Unfortunately, the flaw of this ideology is that resource consolidation that is provided by a computer is perhaps one of its biggest advantages. Not only does it let you browse the web, it lets you watch movies, listen to music, watch TV, play games, etc.

    I don't see the PC losing out to single purpose devices any time in the near future.

    1. Re:Larry Ellison sounded the PC death too soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Larry though the network would become the computer, but he had it backwards: the computer is becoming the network. Basic machines today are capable of doing things only high-end servers could do yesterday.

    2. Re:Larry Ellison sounded the PC death too soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the NC/NIC wasn't any simpler than a PC -- it was a PC in a small box, running a full-fledged OS (Linux, but originally FreeBSD) and Netscape.

      IBM's "Network Station" was a better take at it, with a dedicated OS, Java, and an actual market (old 3270 customers).

  8. NIC by dJCL · · Score: 5, Informative

    I got a NIC of one of my friends, he used to work with NetZero and they provided internet for the systems. It is a great little box for almost anything, and you can drop in a laptop hard drive in seconds. It is a good box for messing with, boots anything from the win2k install disks to knoppix perfectly, there is no unusual hardware in these things.

    If you need a little terminal, get one, just add peripherals and network. I have 2 NCD Xterms on my netowork and an old 386 that has a boot rom(no moving parts in the system, quite silent) so adding another item to the boot on the network was nothing(PXE netowrk boot built into the unit) and it "just works". I have way too much running here as it is, so this unit does nothing other then random computations... I'm thinking of dropping a custom Mosix setup onto my systems in the near future(ah using my slow laptop, just run the program and it should deal with resources... I'll have fun setting that up)

    These things(my version - older) have a 233Mhz processor, 64Megs ram, 4meg flashdisk, 10/100 network, 56k softmodem(drivers work), sound, usb and joystick, cdrom drive. Works great.

    Anyway, enjoy!

    --
    On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
    1. Re:NIC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got some great news for you !
      You love Knoppix? You love OpenMosix?
      I'm sure you'll be happy to learn that they made a Knoppix fork which includes OpenMosix and supports booting over ethernet. Accidentally it also supports diskless workstations and much more.

      ClusterKnoppix
      http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/

      -Marton

    2. Re:NIC by dJCL · · Score: 1

      Excellent, thanks... this will be fun... hehe... playing with hardware, netorking and weird things to do with way too much processing power... hehe... weeeee!

      Right. Got that out of my system. Thanks

      I'll Enjoy!

      --
      On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
  9. What about other Fujitsu drives? by SugarKing · · Score: 0

    I have a Fujitsu MAN3367MP SCSI drive that I am actually worried about. Although it really hasn't shown any 'signs' of failing, there's always the possibility. Is there any assurance that just those models listed are affected by this failure? Is anyone else having any problems with their Fujitsu hard drives (other than the ones already known to have problems)?

  10. Catch phrases by Faust7 · · Score: 3, Funny

    MPG3xx series hard drives have been failing in huge numbers.

    "Pulling a..."

    Nope, just doesn't have quite the same ring to it as "Pulling a Deskstar."

    1. Re:Catch phrases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The IBM drives didn't fail quite as much as those Fujitsu drives. I actually have 5 75GXPs of different sizes in active use, and none of them have failed. So 0 out of 5 failed at my place.

    2. Re:Catch phrases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So 0 out of 5 failed at my place.

      A representative sample indeed.

  11. Dubious statistical conclusions by gwernol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmm... "We had about 40 of these things fitted to Compaq DeskPro EXDs, and I can assure you the failure rate is pushing 100%." While it may be true that the failure rate for these drives is very high, your annecdotal evidence doesn't tell you this. I don't know how many of these drives have been sold, but assuming it is in the 10,000+ range, then your sample size is way too low. So low that you can't draw any conclusions about the overall failure rate.

    Nitpicking? Perhaps, but statistics are an important tool in lots of walks of life from politics to things that really matter like baseball. If the geeks can't use them correctly, what hope have we for the broader population?

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    1. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you want nitpicking...

      Note that the failure rate doesn't approach 100%, it is 100% (just like the death rate). That is, unless one of these drives is proven to work an infinitely long amount of time.

    2. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by McSpew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Statistics be damned.

      Several years ago, I noticed hard drives failing in Compaq Deskpro 2000 machines at my employer on a regular basis. The hard drives were all Quantum Bigfoot drives. Nearly every single drive failed before the PCs themselves were four years old. Compaq gradually got more and more difficult to deal with until the PCs were out of warranty and we were stuck with dead drives. I was even quoted in a GripeLine column in InfoWorld about my experience (although the columnist redacted the specific drive brand and model information I emailed him).

      While my observations were not statistically valid, I nevertheless knew a machine I had running based on one of those drives needed desperately to be replaced before the drive failed and took our vital services with it. I had just finished transferring the last services from the PC to real servers on my network, shut the PC down and moved it to my lab when I discovered I couldn't get the PC to reboot ever again. Chalk up another dead Bigfoot, and I took it out of service not a moment too soon.

      The Quantum Bigfoot drive problems I encountered made any IBM Deskstar fiasco look like peanuts in comparison.

    3. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough, I have had a Quantum Bigfoot for ... five years now. It is still quite functional.

    4. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Given a MTBF of 500,000 hours, and a failure rate of 95% of units in a year, (~1/60th of MTBF), you got some shitty drives.

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    5. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by snol · · Score: 1

      The total number of drives sold has nothing to do with the accuracy of a statistic based on a sample. 1/sqrt(40)=0.158 so the error's about 16%. So if anywhere near 100% of the 40 drives is failing, they're still doing pretty badly.

    6. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by FRiC · · Score: 1

      That's the problem if the sample size isn't large enough. I have two Quantum Bigfoot 2.1 GB's bought in April 1998 and both are still running perfectly today. One of them is used heavily as it stores a local database with machinery parts.

      We also have 20+ IBM Deskstar 40GV's (4200 RPM version of the infamouse 75GXP) bought from two different distributors. All drives bought from distributor A have failed and been replaced under warranty, while all drives from distributor B are running fine. I can imagine other users who only buy from one of the distributors exclaiming that Deskstar sucks/rules, depending on who they buy from.

    7. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by MsGeek · · Score: 1

      My first PC build had a Bigfoot. I later added another Bigfoot I bought from Driveguys. Both Bigfoot drives (Bigfeet?) are running well after something like 6 years. It used to be that Quantum was the gold standard for quality. Then they started to suck. Switched to IBM, then Maxtor. Now I don't know wtf to get anymore. Bleah.

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    8. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right, but for the wrong reason. And you're also wrong for an unrelated reason.

      40 is an excellent sample for measuring a trend in a population of 10000, if there's no correlating factor between the data points.

      In this case, it sounds like all the hardware was bought on one order. This means all of the hard drives could have come on the same palette (and were accidentally dropped by Big Mike in the warehouse, whoops).

      So calm down, you don't need to invest in 4-leaf clovers.

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    9. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by snake_dad · · Score: 1
      I've seen many, many 2 and 2.5 Gb Bigfoots fail. First the OS would start getting weird errors, later all data on the disk would be corrupted.

      I have to say that Quantum always replaced them, no questions asked. And every Quantum harddrive of any other type that I've used has been good.

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    10. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by milobloom-ab · · Score: 1

      Yep, had the same problems with Compaq Deskpro 2000s with Quantum Bigfoot drives in the 2GB range. I only personally experienced 4 or 5 of them failing, because that was all of the Deskpros we had with the Quantum Bigfoot drives in them at the place I worked.

    11. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was a VERY well known issue with the Compaq Presario 4700 series which also had the Bigfoot installed. However, wasn't incredibly major. It had to do with the voice coil actuator that moves the drive head sticking. 90% of the time it could be resolved by whacking the machine on the side, and it would continue working until you left the machine off with the head parked for a long period of time. Compaq was replacing the Bigfoot with a non-faulty SKU if the user called in with an HD issue and the machine was in warranty, otherwise the user could use the "whack" method or go buy another HD if they were out of warranty. Trust me, I was there, I replaced dozens of them under warranty and told dozens more out-of-warranty users about the "whack" method. You probably had your problems before engineering acknowledged the drives were faulty.

    12. Re:Dubious statistical conclusions by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      YOU are correct sir... at that time i administered about 500 PCs, more than half were the DP2000 and about every bigfoot died over a year or so...

  12. Holy Cow, read this from the NIC faq page by AmoebafromSweden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Q:We are constantly losing PCs and PC parts to thieves. The NIC is physically smaller. Do they make a more attractive target for thieves?

    A:You shouldn't be losing any. The NIC will not function as a standalone computer so if a machine is stolen, the thief will soon discover that there is no market for the machine.

    Uhhhm, no market? Well to me it feels like they are dooming their own device right there and then from the start...

  13. OpenTV still doesn't get it (Re: Way to GNU!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The link provided to the OpenTV SDK sources has a big block of text that basically proves they still don't get it.

    To the extent that you, or your licensees under the GPL, make any modifications to, or derive (through reverse engineering or otherwise) other software products and/or functionality from, the OpenTV Distributed GNU Utilities ("Modifications and/or Derivatives"), neither OpenTV nor the GPL licenses you, implicitly or otherwise, under any OpenTV patents that cover the Modifications and/or Derivatives, whether alone or in combination with the OpenTV Distributed GNU Utilities.

    They are still claiming that they are not willing to license the patents to you for purposes of making derivatives. This directly contradicts the GPLthat they link to.

    For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.

    By agreeing to use the GPL they also must agree to license any OpenTV patents (royalty-free) that might be part of the OpenTV SDK.
    1. Re:OpenTV still doesn't get it (Re: Way to GNU!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Interesting... I downloaded their package, and there are a couple of points related to that that I noticed:
      • The aparent licence document is called copyright.txt in the base directory, and includes the text of the GPL along with a few notes. I don't see any special mention of patents here.
      • The only odd thing I noticed in that file (I didn't go through it really carfuly, but the non-GPL bit is quite short) is the sentence "Rights granted pursuant to the GPL consist solely of copying, distributing and/or modifying, and do not include the right to reverse engineer or clone OpenTV products or software." Which makes you wonder how reverse engineering or cloning can be distinguished from the allowed activities. Maybe they meen you just can't try if on the rest of the software; I gather only the compilers were GPLed.
      • The obvious GNU derived bits contain standard COPYING files in directories and GPL notices in files (including sometimes what looks like the entire text of the GPL for under 10 line headers), also with no mention of patents.
      • I assume that the DIST_OTV_POSTLINK directory is for non GNU derived stuff. I'm not clear on whether this part is supposed to be open source. I checked a few files here and didn't see any GPL notices. Some source files did include "Copyright (c) 1993, Thomson Consumer Electronics, Inc.", and at least one has "THIS SOFTWARE IS CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY. PROPERTY OF OpenTV, INC. (c) Copyright 1996 - 2001 OpenTV, Inc. All rights reserved."
      • I also noticed a few files with the Thomson etc. notice in the directoies of GNU derived parts.
      • Both the licence on thier page and copyright.txt say that the "the program files listed below" (eventually followed by a list of a few excutables) are under the GPL. It's not clear that this includes the source for the files (although as I said, some files includ notices anyway.


      So which licence statement actually applies where?
    2. Re:OpenTV still doesn't get it (Re: Way to GNU!) by afidel · · Score: 1

      Actually it's even more important than that, because they are not willing to give a royalty free liscense to the derivitive work of a GPL program that they are modifying and distributing they have no liscense to the origional GPL code. Essentially if they take patent action their settlement means nothing and they will be back in court. That would be an interesting court case, which wins, their patent protection or the copyright protection of the origional author(s)? Most probably anyone who violated their patents could be sued for patent infringement and the origional authors would have to come after them for the copyright violations.

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    3. Re:OpenTV still doesn't get it (Re: Way to GNU!) by infolib · · Score: 1

      I'm think you're wrong. The GPL says all patents covering the distributed code must be "licensed for everyones free use".

      Now what happens if you extend the OpenTV code (covered by "free-for-all" patents i, j and k) to do something covered by OpenTV patents X and Y? Do you get a free license for X and Y as well? I think not. I suspect it is this case the (rather involved) legal statement is covering:

      neither OpenTV nor the GPL licenses you [...] under any OpenTV patents that cover the Modifications and/or Derivatives
      (my emphasis)

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  14. OpenTV source code not downloadable? by phr2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I haven't downloaded that 18 MB zip file but the blurb on the download html page makes it sound like the zip contains binaries only. There is an accompanying offer to distribute source code on physical media for the cost of copying, saying you need to send contact and billing info to somewhere, and that the offer is valid for 3 years, language taken direct from the GPL. Basically they are being in-your-face about doing the absolute minimum that they can to conform to the letter of the GPL.

    Given that OpenTV was previously in breach of the GPL and therefore had had its rights terminated, that they're now distributing the GPL'd stuff indicates that they came to an agreement with the FSF and the the FSF restored their rights. Personally I think FSF should have leaned on them a little harder and insisted on online source distribution before agreeing to restore rights, but that's just me. I do hope someone gets the source distribution and puts it up for download somewhere.

    1. Re:OpenTV source code not downloadable? by lithron · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Feel free to do some research before crying foul play.

      Source code is provided in that 18 meg zip file.

      They ALSO will send you a CDROM with the source for a small fee.

  15. Hooray for Hypocrisy! by s20451 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SCO got sued for posting its corporate opinion of a technology matter, got sued by the people who they pissed off, and then got its web site shut down by the courts.

    If it were anything other than SCO and Linux, this site would be condemning the decision and lamenting the loss of free speech rights.

    I have noticed the distressing fact that people are only willing to apply the protection of free speech to the speech that they agree with.

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    1. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by danb35 · · Score: 4, Informative
      SCO got sued for posting its corporate opinion of a technology matter, got sued by the people who they pissed off, and then got its web site shut down by the courts.
      1. They chose to shut it down (if it's down at all--doesn't look like it to me), not the courts. The German court only prohibited them from continuing to make the same claims without any support for them.
      2. SCO got "sued" for itself threatening to sue hundreds of companies using Linux, when no possible legal theory would support such an action (even supposing that everything they've claimed is true), and there's nothing to suggest that any of what they've claimed is true. The German action says, in effect, "put up or shut up", and they chose not to put up.
      3. What SCO posted was not "its corporate opinion of a technology matter"; it was a warning of a legal nature. More specifically, it was an allegation that their competitor was operating illegally.
    2. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so. We would also cheer if the offending site were in violation of the GPL and refused to comply. Or if they were abusing the good will of the FSF community, such as by making accusations without supporting the accusations with evidence. Or for that matter we would cheer if they were just plain annoying.

      2 out of 3 ain't bad. And SCO might be violating the GPL as well.

      Popularity is a fickle mistress. If only goat.cx were in Germany...

    3. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by renard · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If it were anything other than SCO and Linux, this site would be condemning the decision and lamenting the loss of free speech rights.

      There are a number of exceptions to the First Amendment liberties (and their international equivalents). For instance, "fighting words", slander, libel, "yelling fire in a crowded theater," (some types of) pornography, and so forth.

      Thus if SCO wishes to cast FUD upon the Linux community, without providing any concrete evidence in support of their accusations, thereby harming the commercial prospects of their competitors, then I think it is perfectly appropriate for them to be enjoined against such behavior by the courts.

      It's a simple request, really: Either substantiate the accusation or withdraw it. The same could be required of a newspaper, tabloid, or political candidate that wished to claim, i.e., that some competing political candidate had been a member of a white supremacist movement in his youth.

      -renard

    4. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by stilwebm · · Score: 1

      This isn't hypocrisy. They were restricted from making unfounded claims. In the United States this is called libel, and there are indeed laws against it. Parody and other forms of creative expression are excluded, but harming businesses by making claims and refusing to found them is not legal. It isn't speech people disagree with - how can anyone agree with it when it's false or at least any supporting evidence is being withheld? If I post bill boards claiming Windows XP and Bill Gates are responsible for SARS, I too would be forced to halt my claims.

    5. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a few options here. You could be an idiot, who doesn't know that there is a difference between having an opinion and spreading lies without evidence to back them up with the intention to give someone a bad reputation. That isn't covered by free speech, especially in the business world, and who knows what goes on in Germany.

      You could actually be trying to bring a valid point, which doesn't happen on Slashdot.

      You could just be blinded by whatever your bias is. You could be a yahoo armed with blind assumptions that doesn't stop to think about the nonsense he is posting.

      Or you could be a troll. I actually think this one is it.

      Did I miss anything?

    6. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is this some standard cut+paste job for any quasi-valid point brought to the slashdot forum?

      Or did you actually type that from the heart? if so I commend you.

    7. Re:Hooray for Hypocrisy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, to sum up:

      "Hooray for hypocrisy!"

  16. When you saw "Dastar"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...did anyone else momentarily think they were talking about the mythical Daystar?

    1. Re:When you saw "Dastar"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What is this "Day" of which you speak?

  17. Running Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're using one of the computers mentioned, and are running Linux, then you won't be able to run the software download they require to be eligable. Thus, here is the message returned by the software on one of the affected machines:

    Please contact HP at the following:
    United States: 1-800-575-3756

  18. Well there's the problem, by Telecommando · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the NIC Hardware FAQ page:

    "...there is no market for the machine."

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  19. SCO still up, by AmoebafromSweden · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Well at 02:24 CET their page is up. I know it was down earlier today. When someone posted about them in an earlier story.

    (hmmm maybe some slashdoteffect will change that...)

    Now, notice the image on their front page:
    http://www.sco.de/images/flash/alt.jpg

    ITs a monitor with the text:
    Relax
    Worry Free
    software

    What an doubly ambigous meaning. They probably meant Worryfree software, but instead it became a warning to worry for free software. Atleast I read it that way.

    1. Re:SCO still up, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be an ass, but it should be "worry-free software". You were right though, it shouldn't be "worry free software".

  20. More on SCO, Novell, copyrights and patents by gwernol · · Score: 4, Informative

    News.com.com.com has an article up dissecting the contract between Novell and SCO that assigned some right over UNIX to SCO. It seems to be a pretty "murky" agreement as one of the lawyers describes it, but it does show that Novell retains the rights to all the UNIX patents and copyrights.

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    1. Re:More on SCO, Novell, copyrights and patents by harvardian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      does show that Novell retains the rights to all the UNIX patents and copyrights

      Ahh, but the point of the article is that the contract is much more complicated than this. People will read your post and think "see, there, SCO does not own the IP, there is no case." But the article goes to great lengths to show that SCO may have the right to ENFORCE the copyright even if they don't have the copyright itself. This admittedly seems odd, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, in which case SCO would be able to sue everybody's pants off and legally reap the benefits of the copyright without technically holding it:

      For example, while the contract leaves the copyrights with Novell, a section that gives to SCO "all claims...against any parties relating to any right, property or asset included in the (Unix) business" could be interpreted to give SCO the right to enforce the copyright, Radcliffe said. "The question is, even though (Novell) didn't assign the intellectual property (to SCO), did (Novell) assign the rights to enforce the patents and copyrights?"

    2. Re:More on SCO, Novell, copyrights and patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even though (Novell) didn't assign the intellectual property (to SCO), did (Novell) assign the rights to enforce the patents and copyrights?

      No, that's most definitely not the question.

      The question is: even though Novell didn't assign the copyright to SCO, did Novell assign exclusive distribution rights to SCO.

      If Novell didn't give SCO exclusive rights, then SCO doesn't have a leg to stand on, because Novell can simply GPL the "offending" code, and SCO doesn't have anything to enforce.

  21. I have one of ThinkNICs by tftp · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It works for me as an MP3/Ogg player. Boots over the network (thanks to JWZ's HOWTO), runs Blackbox and XMMS. No CD, no HDD, not even Flash. Even the audio files are NFS mounted.

    But as a computer it is fairly bad. The video is the worst offender - it uses shared RAM, and there are streaks all over the screen if some serious computations are performed (I tried to run distributed.net on it and gave up.)

    The box is also abysmally slow, so much that it is basically unusable. As a browser... sure, it might just work - but who needs just a browser?

    In any case, the box works for me as a player just fine, and I am glad that I have it. But it is also good that I found the right use for the thing... otherwise it would have been a total write-off. Don't buy one unless you know how you can use it.

    1. Re:I have one of ThinkNICs by steve's+nose+is+blee · · Score: 1

      We deployed about 50 of the NIC's at our schools through a grant we got them for free. After playing with them and maintaining them for over a year here are my impressions.

      1. Yes they're a bit slow, they have to load everything off CD, however if you use the included software it's very much usable. They run Netscape as the UI and have Abiword, Netscape, KIT (aim client) telnet, ssh, vnc, citrix utilities, and probably a few others I'm forgeting.

      2. Setup was a breeze, pop in the admin cd, click through a few screens and its on the network ready to run. Total time, roughly 5 minutes.

      3. You don't have to worry about kids messing them up, there's nothing for them to mess up aside from physically scratching a cd or dropping one on the floor.

      4. They do die, we've had ~4 out of 50 bite the dust, mainly it has been the 4mb flash hard drives going out.

      5. Hardware-wise nothing spectacular, notebook CD-Drive, 50 watt PSU, 4mb flash HD, 64mb RAM, 233 cyrix processor, mini Mobo.

      6. With a little more RAM and a faster CPU, they'd make excellent Internet stations, something like an Internet Cafe would be great with these. If you close the browser, a new one pops up in seconds, it's customizable, just roll a new CD with apps of your choice.

      They're neat little Boxes and it's a pity they've gone under. Sun didn't buy them, they sponsored the company and gave them to schools under a grant (can't remember the name)

      Steve

  22. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think I disagree.

    Maybe Ellison moved too early; maybe he failed in the mkt department; maybe the PC price drop was too steep; maybe M$ succeeded in delaying the thin-client wave; maybe ... I don't know!

    But I propose that the thin-client is not such a good idea by itself -- you get a lot of functionality for a reasonable increase in the price you pay for a full-fledged PC.

    When you talk corporate lingo -- that's a whole different can of worms: a versatile PC is a major problem for a company (specially for routine-task-only machines).

    Also, the savings accomplished by one machine can be multiplied hundreds or even thousands of times (not to mention the possibility of not using proprietary OSes in the clients themselves).

    Thin clients are the only way for cash-strapped IT-dependent businesses in this era of M$ desktop domination.

    I have great confidence that Mr. Ellsion tried to sell his product in the wrong place; the domestic user is not the right place to start, IMHO.

    1. Re:And... by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know, I've thought for a while now that if you could come up with a simple, sealed box that could browse the web, read email, play audio and video, keep track of appointments and todos, and maybe do simple spreadsheets, word processing, and sell it to first-time consumers, you'd make a fortune. Imagine a ~1Ghz CPU with onboard video and sound, a modem and NIC, and a couple of USB ports, nailed up tight like the original Macintosh. It's not upgradeable, and you can't play games on it, but that's okay, because it costs 500 bucks and your market doesn't care about games. They take it home, plug in the monitor and keyboard, turn it on and go. They can't really install anything, so they don't have to worry about viruses or spyware. It doesn't run Outlook or IE, so they're pretty safe online.

      It wouldn't be for everyone, but my dad would want one, and so would a whole lot of other people who didn't ever want to hassle with their computer. If you think about it, this is the direction that handhelds and cell phones are going, but who really wants to use a 2 inch screen for that? If the price was low enough, and the design was cool enough, it could be a hit.

      Of course, now I've mentioned it on Slashdot, so there goes another business opportunity. Oh well, back to thinking up cool new porn site themes.

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    2. Re:And... by WasterDave · · Score: 2

      simple, sealed box that could browse the web, read email, play audio and video, keep track of appointments and todos, and maybe do simple spreadsheets, word processing, and sell it to first-time consumers, you'd make a fortune.

      It's called an iMac. And, yeah, they did OK out of it.

      Dave

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    3. Re:And... by Moses+Lawn · · Score: 1

      Funny? How'd this get "Funny?" WasterDave's reply was funny. I was actually being serious.

      Oh well, I'll take Funny. Any positive moderation is good moderation, right?

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    4. Re:And... by cheshiremackat · · Score: 1

      The challenge, for these type pf products is still price. I think, is that for only a few hundred more you get a full featured PC... consider that for $800, you can get a Nforce2 board, Athlon XP 17-2000 processor, HD, 15" Monitor, and CDRW for only a *little* more...

      People don't want to buy a crappy device, when for a little more then can get a significantly better machine. For only a few hundred more you can get a relatively full featured machine.

      Now if you could get a machine that would surf the net, read email, and play DVDs and MP3s, for $150 then you have a winner. I _HOPE_ this is where the EPIA and Mini-Itx platform are going, although the price has a long way to go....The problem becomes as the price increases people want the machine to do more...

      _CMK

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    5. Re:And... by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 1

      The challenge, for these type pf products is still price. I think, is that for only a few hundred more you get a full featured PC... consider that for $800, you can get a Nforce2 board, Athlon XP 17-2000 processor, HD, 15" Monitor, and CDRW for only a *little* more...
      [...]
      Now if you could get a machine that would surf the net, read email, and play DVDs and MP3s, for $150 then you have a winner.


      The problem, AFAICT, is the accessories. At bare minimum, you'd need a CD burner (in lieu of disk drive) and a monitor on the thing. Unless your target market has HDTV in their homes and CD writers have dropped more than I think they have, this isn't happening anywhere close to cheaply.

      You could build an integrated system-on-chip die with an x86 core and peripheral controllers easily - in fact, you can buy these already. The problem is that while people will accept a lousy machine for $150, at $400 it seems to be more of a sticking point.

      We'll eventually get there. Cheap display technology is the main sticking point, IMO.

    6. Re:And... by cheshiremackat · · Score: 1

      I think for what people are going to use this for, as a HTPC or upgraded WebTV then a HDTV would be fine... anything else and you would want a "regular PC" anyway... Who is going to write an essay/spreadsheet or do their taxes on their Television?

      The market for these things (IMHO) is DVD/MP3 (Vorbis) playback...casual surfing and email... and maybe PVR. The scary thing is how similar this is getting to a description of the microsoft homestation PC... grrr ok it should run Redhat... and if it costs more than $200 it is sunk...

      What I think this means is that the hardware is too expensive for what consumers are willing to pay... atleast upfront... I could easily see a market for one of these HTPCs rented from the cable co as part of an cable/internet/ VOD/PVR/ scheme... for $15/mo the price becomes worthwhile... esp if it has TIVO like functions.

      _CMK

      P.S. Time to run off to the patent office before Amazon reads this post.

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    7. Re:And... by PerlGuru · · Score: 1

      I have this through comcast right now... well not the Internet part. The PVR part only lets me watch the stuff they want me to watch though :-/ It's called digital cable with video on demand, pause/ff/rw it's all there... just not as many tv shows on the list as would be nice.

    8. Re:And... by Bytal · · Score: 1

      Yeah this would be a great computer, except that for the same price{-monitor} you can build a nice athlonxp machine. Motherboard $100, HD 40GB $100, athlon xp 2400 $100[with sink+fan], case $50, cdrw 48x $50, 512MB ram $100, $100 geforce 4. total ~$600 for good kit and I can play games on it :)

    9. Re:And... by heim913 · · Score: 1

      nailed up tight like the original Macintosh. It's not upgradeable, and you can't play games on it, but that's okay, because it costs 500 bucks

      remember the iOpener?

  23. Heh... by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, that is some pretty poor wording. Maybe something like: "the thief will soon discover that the machine has no black market resale value."

    Of course, they also contradict themselves by saying "you won't lose any, because it can't work by itself"-- think about this. If some crackheads break into your offices, they're gonna grab as many of these things as they can carry. I doubt one of them will go, "Hey, wait, these are NETWORK computers!" And once the crackheads find out the things don't work, they'll end up in a dumpster, a rvier, or some muddy vacant lot.

    Of course, who's to say these things didn't come with window stickers that say "Computers will not work if removed from premises."? :-)

    Bottom line, if a computer gets stolen, whether it works or not once it's off your premises, it's probably gone forever. The only plus side is that since it's a network computer, your valuable data won't be taken out the door unless the crackheads make off with your server as well.

    ~Philly

    1. Re:Heh... by jericho4.0 · · Score: 1

      Crackheads don't go home and try to boot computers, they sell them as quickly as possible. You can talk any crackhead down to the price of a rock ($10) in 30 seconds. Given that there's a great market on the street for things that look like shiny new computers priced at $10, I'd say there is a market.

      --
      "A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing" - Alan Perlis
    2. Re:Heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This thing is so hot it's burning my hands."

      "No, no Joe, it's not hot. We've moved past a thin-client paradigm. Our operatives require the more robust support of fast local data storage. Besides, I really need a hit and Johnson in accounting won't be back until Wednesday."

      "You know there's no market for NICs. Everyone who has the infrastructure purchased the requisite number of units. Nobody's down here looking for expansion units. They want a compact disc player or a nice long knife, maybe a bike. Bikes sell fast."

  24. disregard this stupid joke by iamatlas · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...only without the hassle of learning how to use a trojan...

    You should always use protection.

  25. I Demand Retribution! by benjamindees · · Score: 3, Informative
    the New Internet Computer (NIC) company finally went under.

    I said this two weeks ago and all I got was modded down :(

    --
    "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
    1. Re:I Demand Retribution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded you up.

    2. Re:I Demand Retribution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded you sideways.

    3. Re:I Demand Retribution! by darkonc · · Score: 1

      You're at 3 now.
      Don't worry. Be happy.

      --
      Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
    4. Re:I Demand Retribution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I modded you and the horse you rode in on.

    5. Re:I Demand Retribution! by kfg · · Score: 1

      Which means you have to cough up for the tshirt out of your own pocket.

      It's one of the downsides to this internet thingy I'm afraid.

      KFG

    6. Re:I Demand Retribution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I am about to meta-mod as "Unfair" the bastard who modded you "Redundant"

  26. bittorrent? by pschmied · · Score: 5, Funny

    Could someone set up a bittorrent for those?

    -Peter

    1. Re:bittorrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You moron

    2. Re:bittorrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +5 Fucking Hilariously Funny Laugh At The Idiot

    3. Re:bittorrent? by bsharitt · · Score: 1

      Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

    4. Re:bittorrent? by Geekbot · · Score: 1

      It's times like this when I have to wonder if the person is incredibly funny or remarkably clueless. He's not AC so I'll vote for funny. I work primarily with stupid people, so it takes me awhile to remember not everyone was a crack baby.

    5. Re:bittorrent? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1

      I can't get the tracker to compile on my Caldera dist, dammnit!

    6. Re:bittorrent? by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Sure, be small though.

      --delete-after doesn't leave much behind. :-)

      --

      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
  27. Not so Dubious by chriso11 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, it given a normal distribution, 34 samples will give you a better than 95% certainty on the mean and standard deviation. So 40 units is sufficent for this purpose.

    --
    No, I don't trust in god. He'll have to pay up front, like everybody else.
    1. Re:Not so Dubious by orebas · · Score: 1

      It's not a normal distribution; these are failure times we're talking about, so it's probably an exponential.

  28. IBM on SCO's list of partners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ROFL! This is the biggest laugh I've had all week. See SCO's list of business partners. Suing your business partners and customers... RIP SCO.

  29. Cold comfort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The NIC may be gone, but at least that sticky-fingered filcher won't find a market for it."

    This is the sort of thing marketing people spin out of dream-stuff and say so quickly the customer doesn't have time to think twice. Who cares what "the thief soon finds"? Unless it's explosive bird poop.

    Or perhaps we could have put signs on them:

    "This machine isn't worth anything. Steal one of the others."

  30. I don't think NIC went under... by Tyrdium · · Score: 1

    Looking at their website, it looks like they may have been bought up by Sun...

    1. Re:I don't think NIC went under... by Tyrdium · · Score: 1

      Never mind, they just partnered up... *smack*

  31. On hacking NICs by freeweed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the spec sheet it looks like this would be fun as a hacking platform

    It was more fun to hack the platform itself. For those not in the know, the NIC basically ran a highly customized Linux distro (seemed to have parts of RedHat, Debian, and others from what I could tell), all wrapped with a minimal window manager (enlightenment iirc), and Netscape as your entire front end. The whole thing booted off CD-ROM, and came with a 4mb flash drive to store configuration changes, bookmarks, etc. A nice handy web/email/irc box for grandma, or public access kiosks, or what have you. Oh, and before anyone asks, a stock Knoppix distro refused to run on it - at least when I tried it.

    Now, the interesting part were some of the apps you could launch from it - telnet, and several other xterm-wrapped applications. Pretty powerful machine, all things considered - but there is NO command shell option. So of course, let's get one:

    As I said, the distro it comes with is highly custom, a LOT of standard binaries aren't even on the CD, and it's been stripped to the essentials. But of course, we have our good friend Bash, just not direcly reachable. Easiest way I found was to escape out of a telnet session. Now, when you run its telnet client, you have a pop-up window asking you the hostname and port. This gets passed direcly to the telnet binary and ran. The designers actually went to the trouble to block the space bar being hit within this window (tricky devils! I'm sure some of you see where I'm going here), so we'll just use some copy & paste to have -e passed along with the hostname. This gives us an escape character within the telnet application itself, which (ta-da!) gives us a nice shell.

    The fun part was trying to get some power. You're running as a pretty unprivledged user here, but hey! No shadowing of passwords! In any event, I got lazy and Googled a bit. No word of a lie, the root password on every last NIC that I've touched is (hard-coded on the CD, of course) "4getit". Clever, no?

    Moral of the story: good thing these boxes never took off as public terminals. Takes about 30 seconds from boot to get root, and yes, the 4mb flash drive is just large enough for fun things like NetCat :)

    --
    Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
    1. Re:On hacking NICs by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 2, Funny
      all wrapped with a minimal window manager (enlightenment iirc)

      I was going to point out that that was probably the first time anybody had ever used 'minimal window manager' and 'enlightenment' in the same sentence. I was wrong, AltaVista (since Google doesn't support the 'near' keyword) says it's the second. Of course, the first time was the sentence "blackbox is a minimal window manager where enlightenment is a full featured window manager"...

    2. Re:On hacking NICs by steve's+nose+is+blee · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info on rooting those things, played with them a lot and they're neat. We got Knoppix running, stock version ummm 3.?, it was slower than molassases!!! But it worked, I think we had to tell it to use TWM instead of its default WM. But the really fun part was running OpenOffice 1.0.1 on it!!!! LOL we timed that one with a calander. -Steve

    3. Re:On hacking NICs by davidhan · · Score: 1

      A nice handy web/email/irc box for grandma

      If I ever see my Grandma on IRC, my head will explode.

  32. Processor Intrusive.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Taking the suggestion of a recent ./ story, you can also Search the SCO web site for "sco" and display the first 100 results.

    Wget:
    wget sco.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=sco&ps=100

  33. Google GNews if very good at following stories. by refactored · · Score: 3, Informative
    The media has a very short attention span.

    I have bookmarked.... SCO

    Curiouser and Curiouser

    Stake

    WMD

    Anthrax

  34. wget -r -l0 http://www.sco.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did that last night...

    FINISHED --06:48:29--
    Downloaded: 488,690,981 bytes in 2457 files

    1. Re:wget -r -l0 http://www.sco.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, what size is that bzip2'd? I'd like a copy of that...

    2. Re:wget -r -l0 http://www.sco.com/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't seem to find it in /dev/null Well guess I need to download it again.

    3. Re:wget -r -l0 http://www.sco.com/ by Saeger · · Score: 1
      I just did exactly the same thing, but ended up with an extra ~100MB for some reason (wget 1.8.2).

      FINISHED --23:05:38--
      Downloaded: 574,901,822 bytes in 4031 files

      Anyway, half a Gig... that probably cost SCO a whole quarter or two!
      --

      --
      Power to the Peaceful
  35. The truth is out there! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    SCO admits that linux kernel implementations are different from their Unix implementations, on their own website. One of the most interesting questions on their FAQ is this:

    What is the difference between the Open UNIX 8 and Linux kernels?

    Both operating system kernels have the Linux system call interface. We have added the Linux kernel functions into the Open UNIX 8 kernel. The implementation of the system calls inside the UNIX kernel is different from the Linux kernel implementation. In some cases, the UNIX implementation provides better scalability, reliability, and performance than the Linux kernel.

  36. French Russian SCO Summit!!! by isn't+my+name · · Score: 3, Funny

    Putin has been involved in a SCO Summit in Russia and France!! See the article. You have to search, but buried down in the third question to Putin, you see these words:

    after the SCO summit and the series of major international meetings in St. Petersburg and Evian

    What do you want to bet that the German court's attempt to shut down the SCO website was just a smokescreen to hide the fact that they are involved as well.

    I bet you that Evian water is designed to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!!!

    1. Re:French Russian SCO Summit!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say "Evian" backwards.

      You are what you drink.

  37. Oracular NIC crap by allrong · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oracle8 - A Beginner's Guide by Abbey and Corey (1997) contains the following about NICs:

    "This is HOT stuff. Ever since Larry Ellison, Oracle's CEO, stated talking about the NC computer [tautology!], the world is trembling."

    OT, but still amusing:

    "Oracle's recent agreement with Netscape positions it uniquely to dominate the World Wide Web. The real power of the Web is yet to be harnessed. Today most people are not very impressed with a majority of Web sites they visit. They are nothing more than static applications -- in other words, they are glorified billboards. When your Web site is able to harness the power of a database, watch out. Imagine a Web site that knew who you were and could tailor itself to your needs and wants. That would be a very powerful tool, indeed. Once again, Oracle Corporation sees the future and is positioning itself to get there first."

    And finally, we have a section title that's about as far from the truth as you can get:

    SQL*Plus--The User-friendly Interface
    --
    What is the inverse of the Matrix?
  38. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I simply loved the way they bought Cobalt and then ran it into the ground. I've been thirsting for a sequel.

  39. Still Dubious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The 34 samples you mention randomly distributed--which is very unlikely when drives are purchased in bulk. 40 bad drives in a row could only indicate poor quality control; it is not a sufficient sample to determine the statistics of the entire run.

  40. Hypocrisy my ASCII by zakezuke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't see it as hypocrisy at all.

    Free speech never has included the blatant harassment of people or corporations, nor does it give person a license to slander or commit liable.

    I could say, "Linux sucks". This is free speech. While I don't believe it does suck, it's far too subjective to be considered correct or incorrect. A statement like that does no harm in it self, and doesn't require quantifiable evidence.

    I can also say, "Bill Gates is a foofoo head". This is protected under free speech. The statement does no harm in it self, there is no need to defend it by actually defining what a foofoo head is. foofoo - noun. see bill gates the foofoo head.

    I can say, "SCO sucks because I have to license every trivial aspect of the OS including TCP/IP". This would be a true statement, while SCO might be offended at the fact I stated that it sucks, this is not the norm. With Solaris, BSD, and Linux out there, it does indeed suck the fact that you have to pay license fees for the SCO product in anyway.

    But SCO can not order companies to stop using Linux based under the assumption they own some piece of IP in it without establishing first their ownership. If they owned the property, then they could. But as it was shown in a German court they can't prove that, then they can not. This amounts to no less then extortion and deformation of character, both of which free speech does not protect. No more then I can say, "You stupid motherfucker" unless I happened to be speaking to Edipus.

    There is a big difference between opinion and fact. SCO presented information as a fact, and demanded something in return.

    It's not like the website was shut down without cause, but the issue was brought to court because of the issues of criminal extortion and deformation of Linux as a legitimate product. If they left it as an opinion, it might be protected under free speech. And you just can't do that. You can't make statements that damage people that simply are not true.

    --
    There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
    1. Re: Hypocrisy my ASCII by danb35 · · Score: 1
      No more then I can say, "You stupid motherfucker" unless I happened to be speaking to Edipus.
      This would be true only if "motherfucker" were commonly understood to mean that you did, in fact, have carnal relations with your mother--which, of course, it isn't. Similarly, if I were to say "zakezuke is an asshole", you wouldn't be able to sue me for libel on the basis that you are not, in fact, an anus (nor on any other basis, as that would also be a protected expression of opinion). Both terms (as well as countless others) are, as Spock observed in ST4, "colorful metaphors" which express something entirely different from their literal meanings.

      As an aside, it's important to note that to be actionable, the defamatory statement must be communicated to a third party. So, even if "you motherfucker" were understood literally, the only way you'd be able to sue would be if somebody else heard me call you one.

    2. Re: Hypocrisy my ASCII by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Why can no one understand simple attempts at humor.

      Scene 1: Man walks up to you, says you are a stupid motherfucker, and you punch him in the nose. This can be defended by the person commiting the assult because of the use of fighting words. In this context motherfucker is percieved as a derogority insult designed to harass someone.

      Scene 2: Man walks up to Edipus and says he's a stupid motherfucker. Edipus realizes that he can't punch the guy in the nose cause it's a true statement, so scratches his own eyes out. The context is very diffrent.

      This was ment as humor and to illistrate a point. Free speech doesn't great me the right to go off at random and call people motherfuckers. People get offended by this for good reason, it's a derogority slur.

      All of this was wraped in the context of SCO's letters communicated to 3rd parties, on a web site viewed by none other by 3rd parties from my perspective.

      --
      There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
  41. Fujisitu/IBM DeathStar by SkewlD00d · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Btw, i have yet to have any of my 5 ibm hds fail due to mfgr defects. 1 ultrastar, 4 de(ath|sk)stars. But i did manage to kill one accidentially after the PoS Psu sorted and killed the on-board ctrlr of a 20 GB drive. After getting some really good "this will most definitely void your warranty, but...." advice from HGST tech support, I managed to get a similar drive off ebay for $50. LMAO, the replacement parts joints want $200 for it, and the DriveSaver types want $1000-5000 depending. (Damn, I should go into biz then, charge $300 each, GDR - Ghetto Data Recovery, "we do everything but open the drive") HGST/Fujistu/IBM said the only thing that mattered is that the MLC codes should match (on the label). There are 3-5 MLC's per model, equally distributed. I changed the ctrlr from the live to dead, and "It's alive!!!!" No data loss! :) Needless to say I imeddiately dd'ed that sucker. It still works, but I dont trust this drive anylonger for anything of value.

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    The biggest trick the devil pulled was letting lawyers become politicians so they can write the laws.
    1. Re:Fujisitu/IBM DeathStar by afidel · · Score: 1

      The problem is controller failure is probably about 1% of disk failures. The much more common problems are motor failure and bearing failure, for these you have to physically remove the platters and place them in a drive with working mechanicals, not a simple task! The best way to avoid using drivesavers is regular backups, our biggest problems was convincing the marketing types to make sure they ran a backup if they never left the pc in the office overnight, two $5K charges to the departments budget in one quarter got the manager to force them to =)

      --
      There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
    2. Re:Fujisitu/IBM DeathStar by cyt0plas · · Score: 1

      Wow! I've had DeathStars die left and right. As a matter of fact, I just got my 20gb back, and it came 2 months late (carrier's fault), with [i kid you not] MAPQUEST directions to my house taped to it. Anyhow, I had a 80gb die 3 days after I got it (never even restarted the PC). I lost a IBM 20gb 2 weeks after installing it as my second drive, I lost a 40gb when the power went out - it was unplugged when the power came on, it wasn't a surge, and I lost the second one when someone bumped the PC.

      Good luck, hope you fare better than I did.

      --
      Contact Me (got tired of viruses emailing me).
    3. Re:Fujisitu/IBM DeathStar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah. I hope you don't have any children because it sounds like you abuse your drives.

    4. Re:Fujisitu/IBM DeathStar by SkewlD00d · · Score: 1

      Ouch... you remind me of one of my russian friends, who seems eternally cursed. He once killed 3 cpus and 2 m/b's in the same day (dont ask). Me, I'm trying WD drives now, hoping the'll be slightly better. This IBM 9GB Ultra(pr0n?)Star 9ES LVD U2Wide seems to still want to work; it's slow as an ATA33 and it's 7 yrs old.

      Segate, fujitsu and WD are the only ones I would consider buying. I believe maxtor and quatum have always been sorta budget not-so-reliable, but maybe more-reliable-that-ibm/hitachi as-of-late.

      --
      The biggest trick the devil pulled was letting lawyers become politicians so they can write the laws.
  42. Bang for your buck... by hendridm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > As a browser... sure, it might just work - but who needs just a browser?

    Agreed. For $300, I'd rather put it towards a low end dell. I've seen Dell's Dimension 2350 as low as $314 on the bargain sites (after rebates and coupons) with free shipping that more than double its features. Even HP/Compaq has a a 2GHz system for $349 AR (shipping not free, though). These are fully functional computers, people.

  43. That's not how I read Dastar.... by BlaisePascal · · Score: 4, Informative

    My reading of the Dastar decision was not that Dastar evaded the Latham act by making modifications to the original work, but rather that the point-of-origin provisions of the Latham act cannot apply to origin of creation for patentable or copyrightable ideas and expressions.

    Dastar was accused of "reverse-passing-off", or selling a product made by someone else as their own, as if a Coke distributor filled Coke bottles with Pepsi and sold it as Coke. Under traditional interpretation of the Latham act (which was accepted by the Court) this is as prohibited as "passing-off", or selling their product with someone elses trade-mark on it. Both are misrepresenting the "point of origin" of the product.

    The court ruled that the "point of origin" provisions of the Latham Act could not be construed to apply to the authorship of a copyrightable work.

    Scalia pointed out the double-edged result of a contrary result: If Dastar had simply repackaged and resold Fox's tape series without modification, Fox could have sued them for "passing off", but if they relabelled it and didn't credit Fox, Fox did sue for "reverse-pasing-off".

    Passing off someone else's copyrightable work as your own is "plagiarism", and covered by copyright. Scalia also asserted that allowing the Latham act to protect against plagiarism would, in effect, allow the Latham Act to effect a perpetual copyright, which is forbidden to it.

    Fox lost the original copyright when it didn't renew it; they make no claims otherwise. Therefore, the Court rules, Fox has no claim against plagierism.

    All Supreme Court cases, if the lower court is overturned, are remanded to the lower court "for further proceedings consistant with this opinion". This is boilerplate. The Supreme Court doesn't make the final decision on the case, they just answer narrowly tailored questions of law -- upon which the case usually hangs.

    The kicker with this case is that it is unknown if the copyright on the original book is still valid. The copyright was renewed as a "work for hire", but the original author took tax advantages for the book as if he hadn't been hired to write it. Dastar may still be on the hook for these videos.

    1. Re:That's not how I read Dastar.... by smiff · · Score: 1
      My reading of the Dastar decision was not that Dastar evaded the Latham act by making modifications to the original work, but rather that the point-of-origin provisions of the Latham act cannot apply to origin of creation for patentable or copyrightable ideas and expressions.

      IANAL. The ruling was discussed yesterday in the copyright victories story.

      On page 2 of the syllabus, the court says, "Held: Section 43(a) of the Lanham Act does not prevent the unaccredited copying of an uncopyrighted work"

      On page 7 of the opinion (page 10 of the PDF), the court says:

      That [false designation of origin] claim would undoubtedly be sustained if Dastar had bought some of New Line's Crusade videotapes and merely repackaged them as its own. Dastar's alleged wrongdoing, however, is vastly different: it took a creative work in the public domain--the Crusade television series--copied it, made modifications (arguably minor), and produced its very own series of videotapes.

      The court then goes on to describe how Dastar became the original source because it produced its own product. The court implies that if Dastar had not made any changes, then it would have been selling Fox's product.

      The distinction would be comparable to Coca-Cola taking Pepsi and selling it as a Coke product. If Coke took Pepsi, made some changes, and sold the new product as its own, Coke would presumably be in the clear.

    2. Re:That's not how I read Dastar.... by sholden · · Score: 1

      Plagiarism is more general than just what is covered by copyright.

      It is plagiarism to present someone elses work as your own, even if that work is in the public domain.

      Plagiarism isn't illegal, it is unethical in some cases, such as journalism and academia, but that doesn't make it illegal.

    3. Re:That's not how I read Dastar.... by BlaisePascal · · Score: 1
      The key, as I read that section, and others, is that by repackaging the physical videotapes, Dastar would be misrepresenting the origin of the physical videotapes. However, Dastar made new videotapes, and the very part of the paragraph you quoted in part makes that clear:
      If "origin" refers only to the manufacturer or producer of the physical "goods" that are made available to the public (in this case the video tapes) then Dastar was the origin. If, however, "origin" includes the creator of the underlying work that Dastar copied, then someone else (perhaps Fox) was the origin of Dastar's product. At the bottom, we must decide S43(a)(1)(A) of the Lanham act means by "origin" of "goods".
      After discussing the dictionary definition of "origin" and "goods", Scalia states unequivocably (on page 11 of the PDF you quoted) that
      But as used in the Lanham act, the phrase "origin of goods" is in our view incapable of connoting the person or entity that originated the ideas or communications that "goods" embody or contain.
      Traditional uses of the Lanham act, it states, are about misrepresenting physical goods. No one assumes (or so the court states) that Coke was the first people to come up with their formula, but they do assume that Coke stands behind products imprinted with the Coke logo. The idea of "Coke" isn't protected by the Lanham act, but the source of the product is. The opinion considers if this might be different for intellectual products, where the ideas and communication is what is being sold. There, the buying public may have a vested interest in the origin of the ideas and communication. However....
      The problem with this argument according special treatment to communicative products is that it causes the Lanham act to conflict with the law of Copyright, which addresses the subject specifically. The right to copy, and to copy without attribution, once a copyright has expired...passes to the public.
      That statement (including a quotation and citation omitted) is the beginning of the last paragraph on Page 12, and the paragraph continues with citations from previous SCOTUS decisions concerning trademarks, patents, and copyrights well into the next page, all backing the idea that trademarks (which is what the Lanham act is about) cover origin of physical goods, while copyright covers origin of communicative ideas. Besides, the opinion points out, descerning "origin" is difficult. A videotape of the MGM movie Carmen Jones, to use Scalia's example, copied after the expiration of the copyright, would presumably require attribution ot MGM (producer of the movie), Oscar Hamerstein II (author of musical the movie was based), Georges Bizet (author of opera the musical was based), and Prospero Merimee (the original novelist). In regard to Dastar's videotapes, which were put together from the work of newsreel photographers, the Court opines "We do not think the Lanham act requires this search for the source of the Nile and all its tributaries". I think the court is very clear that the Lanham Act does not cover creative origin of communicative goods. If Dastar had merely reproduced Fox's original tapes, without attribution, it would have been just as OK as doing "arguably minor" modifications.
  44. Novell / fiaSCO purchase agreement by bstadil · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Portions of the actual purchase agreement between Novell and SCO is available here.

    Even thought the IBM is about contractual considerations this is good new for Linux, as it looks like SCO indeed do not own the IP.

    For the ones that watches PBS and Chalie Rose, Note that he has David Boies as guest tonight plus Andy Groove by the way.

    Hopefully Charlie will ask Boies about IP terrorism, at least I send him an email asking him to.

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  45. And did you try the phone number? (nt) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And did you try the phone number?

  46. That's good to hear, but by phr2 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Someone should still order the CD-ROM and make sure all the stuff on it is also in the download.

  47. oh PUH-LEASE by bedessen · · Score: 1

    Come on, that isn't going to do squat...even if it does get someone's attention, it sure won't be the CEO, it will be some hairy sysadmin with a neckbeard who has a clue. Not to mention that fighting abuse with abuse is a ridiculous way to feel better about yourself.

    This is akin to trying to empty the coffers of the Texaco/Shell Oil Co by running around to every gas station you can find and jamming a rock in the little button thingy of the top-up-your-tires-air-compressor machine, and then turning on their water spigot and running away. In other words, it's wasting something that is miniscule to them that they probably have fixed costs for anyway.

    Get a life, HTH, HAND.

    1. Re:oh PUH-LEASE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yesterday, a similar comment took down the entire website. I'm sure the CEO heard about *that*.

    2. Re:oh PUH-LEASE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I'm sure he did. Boy I bet he was surprised! He probably thought: "Crikey! There's people out there who do not like us, and they're geeks, judging from the technical nature of the way they "hit back at us". I'm soooo surprised!"

      OTOH, maybe he expected it and didn't give a f---, except to note it as a possible thing to mention about those evil, lawbreaking, Linux hackers, at the next press conference.

  48. Bye bye NIC by tuxlove · · Score: 2, Informative

    A friend of mine was one of the first 7 (or so) employees at NIC. Beautiful office in Ghirardelli Square in SF. I'd never get any work done there.

    In any case, some months ago he quit because Larry basically gave up on NIC and put it in the hands of investors or someone like that. The employees were given the shaft, and the company was (even more) mismanaged from that point on. He quit as a protest.

    Seems like it could have been a great company with a great product if it had been given just a little more attention/funding, and if the management hadn't been so inept. I hope someone gets it right some day.

  49. Corporate EULA for SCO??? :) by Beatnick · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the article found at news.com, McBride is quoted.

    "It doesn't make sense. How would you transfer the product but not have
    the copyright attached? That would be like transferring a book but only
    getting the cover," McBride said.
    Sounds as if SCO got the corporate equivalent of a EULA. :)
    1. Re:Corporate EULA for SCO??? :) by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I'd ask McBride is, "How could you own the copyright and still be paying 95% of the royalties to someone else?". Somebody got suckered.

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  50. How IBM almost died by Black+Copter+Control · · Score: 1
    Back when IBM came out with the original PC and PC-XT, they owned the business computer market. People bought IBM just for the name, and the knowledge that they always gave good support, and you KNEW that an IBM PC was going to be IBM compatible.

    When the '286 came out, IBM came out with the AT. It was less compatible with the XT than most other clones, but it had a worse problem. The hard drives often died after a few months.

    Problem is, the AT came with a 60 or 90 day warrenty.... Just short enough that it didn't cover the dead disks.. IBM's reaction: It's not in warranty, we're not responsible.

    As a result of this, people started buying clones -- better compatability, disks that lasted more than a few months and often a 1 or 2 year warranty. A friend of mine was selling clones back then. He was happy as a pig in sh*t about this. That's when IBM's strangle hold on the PC market got pried from their greedy little hands.

    Unfortunately, it fell into Microsoft's lap as a result, and they ended up being not a whole lot better.

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    1. Re:How IBM almost died by eudaemon · · Score: 1

      You are forgetting the funniest part!

      The third party company (CORE) that sold _reliable_ replacement drives for the AT gladly took your dead drive.

      They recycled them all by creating an artifical reef of dead IBM hard drives off the coast of Boca Raton Florida!

      (Boca Raton is where IBM's PC HQ was. :-)

    2. Re:How IBM almost died by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I had a AT. No, I don't recall ANYTHING about the hard drives on these units.

      However, the CPU was clocked at 6Mhz, and there was anti-overclock code in the BIOS. AT clones started at 8Mhz. The real IBM/AT was expensive. Very expensive. I paid $12,000 (CDN, and at the time US and CDN were very close). For the money:

      6Mhz AT
      2.5MB memory
      '287
      Hercules monochrome graphics
      20MB hard drive.

      The "clones" were MUCH less expensive. Say, 1/2 the price.

      Ratboy

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  51. Article about the Novell and SCO deal by hayden · · Score: 4, Funny
    Article is here (shamelessly stolen from somebody elses post. You know who you are, pat yourself on the back).

    The most interesting line from it:

    "It doesn't make sense. How would you transfer the product but not have the copyright attached? That would be like transferring a book but only getting the cover," McBride said.
    Maybe the same way you buy software and not be allowed to sell it again?
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  52. You mean like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They more than likely have signed a contract to use the trademark, and you need a good reason to break a contract. ... causing defamation to fall upon the goodwill of and harming the reputation of the trademark?

  53. Knoppix runs on it fine. . . by Idou · · Score: 1

    "Oh, and before anyone asks, a stock Knoppix distro refused to run on it - at least when I tried it."

    But you have to upgrade the RAM, which means moving the cdrom drive, which means (at least it did for me) cutting through metal so you can move the cdrom 90 degrees around. After that, though, knoppix ran fine.

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  54. Any Practical Value In OpenTV Code? by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Aside from the fact that OpenTV is trying to resolve a legal issue, is there anything interesting in the code? I mean, is it just gcc and some *NIX utilities ported to their hardware, or is there actually something new and different about it? Aside from this legal stuff, I've never heard anything about OpenTV. "Interactive TV" has been a buzzword for years...

    ...way, way, back in the mid 80s when scrambled UHF was still a hot thing (oh the joys of being a 12-year old boy catching glimpses of boobies through SuperTV's faulty scrambler) they had something called TV Answer with offices in Tysons Corner, and its very own UHF channel that did nothing but say "coming soon, TV Answer". Needless to say, they were never heard from again.

    So, OpenTV claims it's deployed its interactive TV tech at umpty-ump places. So what? Does anybody here actually use an interactive TV system, and if so, what value does it add?

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    1. Re:Any Practical Value In OpenTV Code? by gerardrj · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, OpenTV powers many of the set top boxes for cable TV systems and satellite DBS.
      My DishNetwork receiver has OpenTV on it, and I can't find a use for any of the services they offer, epecially at the additional charges associated with some of the stuff.

      1. Instant weather: Uh... I have The Weather Channel, plus the internet
      2. Games. The games you can play on a set-top box with an infrared remote made for a TV set are LAME. They charge like $5/month for the games service. A ripoff.
      3. Customer support. You can choose from like 20 "FAQs" and have the answer displayed on-screen for you. In the time it takes to get through the menus, load the support application, and download the information from the satellite, I could have gotten the answer from the web site.
      4. Other things so insignificant I can't even recall them.

      Each of these "features" is of course accompanied by advertising. For instance, the weather service used to take up about 100% of the screen to display the information requested. Now that same information is squished in to less than 25% of the screen. The remaining parts are divinded up in to two banner ads for upcoming movies on pay-per-view and other products.

      It MAY be that the channel/program guide is coded as part of OpenTV, but it doens't seem so. The parts marked as being OpentV applications are quite distinct from the rest of the interface.

      Personally I wish Dish Network would stop wasting the time and resourses developing these pointless applications and give me something useful like a SEARCH feature for the program guide.

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    2. Re:Any Practical Value In OpenTV Code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or an alternative to bad weather.....

    3. Re:Any Practical Value In OpenTV Code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guide in certain boxes is written in OpenTV. As for wasting time, do you think Dish only has one developer? Most of the OpenTV applications are written by 3rd parties.

  55. No, that did not happen. by toyrs · · Score: 1

    It was a partnership that didn't go anywhere and there really wasn't a reason to expect to amount to anything substantial anyway. Sun's main goal is to sell servers and if they can get people to use thin clients, then those people might buy their servers. 2 problems: 1) They still make their own over-priced, over-engineered, and overly hyped thin clients and have used too much money to advertise/market them so far. 2) Anyone can use cheaper hardware to run their servers off of...you don't need SPARCs anymore. So where's the fire???

  56. low profile DIMM by toyrs · · Score: 1

    just have to buy 1" high DIMM sticks. PC100 works just fine....

    1. Re:low profile DIMM by Idou · · Score: 1

      where's the fun in that? ;)

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  57. Who was your friend? by toyrs · · Score: 3, Informative

    Aside from finally making it to FC.com, I'm going to miss working at NIC. Remove the political BS that went on, the core tech group was very capable. And for that matter, for many years, coding was done at Oracle, not Ghiradelli. So the beautiful office wasn't the problem....you get the point. =] Send my regards to your friend tux...tell him that aj says hi.

  58. the point was never to be able to do EVERYTHING by toyrs · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wasn't meant to do everything you do with your pc. But it did just enough for most people.

    The problem was a poor h/w design from the get-go and rush to manufacture that poor design. Couple that with shit production forecasts, you've got the makings of a major problem.

    What most people don't know is that the h/w was upgraded to the Via Epia 733Mhz mobo and was smooth as silk. And the box was quiet because we didn't need fans anymore. We never got a chance to release it to the public. Hell, we were just finishing the build that could run off CD, hdd, PXE, or even large flash ram (128mb).

    The money ran out trying to recover from the prior bad decision making and as a business move, I wouldn't have pumped more money into it unless there were major changes in management. But that's just me....

  59. You rarely make money saying "only." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People prefer "would you like that super-sized" and "how about the anti-rust coating?"

    "Only" works when your price is so mind-bogglingly low that people feel like idiots paying for the extras. 50% ain't mind-boggling.

  60. I have a 3204AT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://craig.afraid.org/ebayxp/

  61. In defense of class action by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    One of the main strengths, if the only one other than bad publicity, behind a class-action is ability to get punitive damages not for the plaintiffs to run of buy Ferraris but to actully punish the company.

    $50 per person doesn't sound like much, but take that times a hundred-thousand people and it will make an obvious mark on the books. Affecting the bottom line is pretty much the only way a consumer has a voice when dealing with a large and wealthy company. Even a little drop from the last quarter could be very nasty for a company; it will affect stock and other payouts, undermine investor confidence, etc.

  62. NIC by Scholasticus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not surprised that NIC died, since "network computers" never made a whole lot of sense to me anyway. For some years now, PCs have been cheap enough that most people who want or need one can afford one. Sure, a lot of people use their computers mostly for e-mail and browsing the web, but what do you do if you only have one of these pared down machines and you want to, for example, edit a photograph? It's like having a moped (scooter, motorino, whatever): it's only really useful if you already have a car, or if you only ever go two or three streets over (I'm talking about in the U.S. here ... European countries, that's a different story). Anyway, this should be a lesson to all of us: when somebody says that the "next big thing" is going to be a crippled version of what we already have, don't believe it.

  63. Happy Meal Contract by chimpo13 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's a contract that comes with my Happy Meal?

    I looked up the Happy Meal EULA on google and found: By opening this Happy Meal (tm), Grimace can come over and sleep with your sister whenever he wants.

    Geez, Grimace. She's only 8.

  64. I agree... by gfxguy · · Score: 1

    I have a 20GB and 40GB at home, 2 60GB and a 40GB at the office - all of them fine.

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  65. Drug-filled hard drives by morcheeba · · Score: 1

    The failure rate of these drives isn't significantly higher in Tampa by any chance? They may be worth more broken than fixed!

  66. SCO published infringing source code by dago · · Score: 1

    just go to sco.de and view the source ... all the infringing code taken from SCO to linux is there.

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