They talked to the Microsoft engineers, but they had no better documents, nor did they fully understand all the quirks of SMB.
I am sure the MS sent their real smb engineers to talk to the samba team. The samba team most likely spoke to some intern(reading off the same public docs). Do you think any company would send their real engineers out to tell a competitor how their closed protocol works?
What makes me even MORE annoyed is that I've just wasted the last 10 minutes of my life, adding to the offtopic, worthless discussion because it just pisses me off so f**king much that people get a wicked, free service like slashdot, and then use it to complain about getting it.
LOL, take that breath:) I understand your rant, but don't think that I haven't tried to improve it. I also never said that slashdot sucks, they just seem not be trying very much lately.
For awhile I was trying to look for and send timely news articles in hopes of getting recent news up on slashdot. Out of the the 3 I sent all 3 were rejected. Ok, thats fine I thought, it must not be a good slashdot story. Then, all 3 stories get accepted by someone else, albeit days later.
> but even the crappy slashdot search
Then why did you use it?
The/. search is pretty crappy. I was going to use it for Taco's defense, but it even found the duplicate article.
The reason I complained here about slashdot was that I don't want to continue to see it degrade. I have been in the process of persuading friends into the whole linux/OS thing and with slashdot(for better or worse) being the "news" site for OS software had them reading it daily. The last time I asked one particular friend if he had seen such and such story he said that he quit reading/. His reasons were that most of the news was old stuff that he had already seen and that it had become just a zealotry rant site.
*sigh* I guess by your logic I should just give up and quit coming here. Should I quit voting too?
In general linux is better than windows, but saying things like "The record uptime for our W2K servers is 3 months" makes you just look like an incompetent admin. Any system on good hardware and properly configured can be stable. Truthfully, the advantage that linux has over windows in not stability anymore. The main things that I like about linux that windows doesn't have are:
1) Unless you are changing the kernel you don't have to reboot. I really despise updating MSSQL and then having to reboot the system. Why not just restart the MSSQL service?
2) Security. Windows has more virii floating around for it. As an admin I don't really care why MS has virii(more popular system, etc...), but I do care that I constantly have to patch and reboot!!! again.
3) Hardware requirements. Why oh why does a DNS, dhcp, firewall, etc... server need as much hardware as win2k requires? With these types of servers being the main entry points of linux into data centers I am surprised MS hasn't release a NT server lite version. This lite version would only allow a few connections possibly just have a command line interface.
BTW, our main W2k/MSSQL server here is a quad dell box with an external fibre channel disk array and has currently been up for nearly a year. Usage stays above 50% for nearly 24 hours a day, the only times it has ever come down was to update/patch software. It has actually never "crashed"(knock on wood:)
I would agree, but even the crappy slashdot search came up with the old story post while searching for SLOC. It only came back with 3 stories including this current one. The best part is that Taco also posted the original.
If they manage to walk that tightrope early next year they must then get (probably from the same people) a new loan for 2.5 Billion, or sell off enough assets to raise 2.5 Billion to just pay it outright.
The people who will loan them the money are really the pivotal figures in this equation. Since the creditors are already into WCOME for quite a bit, they may give them another 5B with the hopes that they can get out later with less of a loss. It is all going to depend on how much sweet talking the WCOME CEO can do, and if he can come up with a convincing plan to recovery(sell some divisons, etc...)
It is going to be extremely hard for them to avoid Chatper 11.
I agree in the long term. I just don't think they are going to be filing next week (hence the FUD comment:)
Why does everyone assume that WCOME is now going to go bankrupt? The lied on their earnings, but that doesn't go in and take 3.2B from their bank accout. Also, unless it changed throughout the day the big story on cnbc this morning was that WCOME is saying they are NOT going bankrupt anytime soon. It caused their stock to triple throughout the day (from.07 -.22)
Will the UUNET network go dark? Not a chance. If/When WCOME does have to sell off its assets some other provider will be right there and will probably take the entire division-people and all. FUD does make good news though.
proper three tier design with a presentation layer, a business logic layer and a database layer.
Who says that each tier must be on a seperate box? When you use stored procedures you are really using a three tier design with the business layer and the database layer on the same box. Sometimes this is the preferable way to implement the 3 tier system because of the performance increase you will get with stored procedures.
The prison experiment is very insteresting b/c is shows just how much the environment can affect actions and attitude. A quick google shows a whole site devoted to it here.
Any corporation that cannot even trust their employees to configure their own work environment is doomed.
It has very little to do with trust. It has to do with support. Corporation can't afford to support hundreds of users on PCs when everyone is installing random things off of the inet, mucking with fonts/colors/etc..., and bacially doing everything but working.
I know it is hard to think that the entire world is not just like you, but most corps are not made up solely of techies. In addition, in many of these lockdown corps the techs still get to do what they want with their desktop(since of course they control the desktop;)
If I were a CIO who had bought into the ideas of why Open Source provides enormous benefits to my business, I'd want an Open Source desktop I could stick in front of any random administrative assistant and have it work.
Actually CIO want complete control of the desktop in the least expensive way possible. Complete control can happen in any environment(windows, *nix, etc...) with the right admin. The admin removes all configurability from the users and gives the users access only to things they need in an interface consistent across the enterprise. This gets to them to the stick in front of anyone and have it work thing while still having a free OS. The only real thing holding back *nix on the desktop in the enterpise is application compatability(inhouse custom apps, office file formats, etc...).
Home use is a totally different story for linux. Until Joe can go to walmart, buy deerhunter, and 1 click install it onto linux, linux will be a niche in the home market.
Wouldn't the slashdot effect be a way of degrading network performance?
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Some more thoughts along the same lines as the parent post. I have to wonder if the only way to get anything posted to slashdot is to submit flaimbait. The article is a well balanced assesment of where linux is today after all of the yesteryear hype. They don't say linux is dead, and the article actually hints around that more and more companies are moving to it for financial reasons. For all those slashdotters claiming that msbnc is biased, well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
This is untrue, there is an actual filling cabinet that holds the actual US Treasury bonds that are owned by the trust fund.
Um, no. SS is simply a money *tranfer* plan. Take money from the young working bunch and transfer it to the old not working bunch. This has only worked because there have been more young working people than old people. The problem that is coming is that all of the babyboomers are going to be reaching retirement age soon and with the expected life expectancy going higher and higher there will not be enough young working people to support them all.
Both SQL for smarties books rock. Joe Celko does a excellent job at showing why SQL is not as easy as everyone thinks. Showing the 3 different queries that get the same data, but are more or less efficient is very helpful in broadening your understanding of the language and how it works.
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Oh come on! I know how to use all of those various technologies and it has nothing to do with one being better than the other.
Having used most of MS's data access technologies I would have to say that ADO has been the best one so far(haven't used ADO.Net yet in production). Disconnected recordsets and ease of use are probably it's strengths.
It has more to do with the fact that MS has absolutely no idea how to solve the persistence problem. Not that say anybody else is better.
Lets assume that MS(or anyone else for that matter) doesn't know how to solve the persistence access problem. How then do they go about solving it without trying new technologies out?
I realize the technical merits of the article, but why is the general media still harping on something that happened 30 years ago? Why doesn't the media do aniversaries for things like travelgate, filegate, Vince Foster, etc...? These things are much more current and still have real implications to people in power (not to mention someone is dead).
I can actually understand both sides of the argument. Linus sees using a debugger as a crutch for not understanding what is going on in your code. People who want to add/use more debugging facilities are just wanting to use all the tools in thier toolbox to create the best possible code.
I also quit submitting stories after two were quickly rejected a couple of weeks ago. The kicker is that the story popped up submitted by someone else 4-5 hours later. I guess the news I submitted wasn't old enough *shrug*
I don't think that I am on the outside looking in so to speak. Growing up I was always the kid in Sunday school that asked "why" and bugged the heck out of the teachers. In college I took many religion and philosophy courses(in between CS of course:) in attempts to clear these kinds of questions up. The problem is that the more you learn about other religions/faiths/cultures the more you question who is actually right(for that fact if anyone can be).
I could just go with Pascal's approach which said that by just looking at the consequences you should believe in christianity. To summarize, he said that since it is relatively simple to be a christian why take the chance of burning in hell. Heck I dug up the relevant quote:)
"If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing." - Pascal
Since you are mainly getting christians trying to convert you I thought I would toss something different out at you.
My main problem with most organized religions is the if-then-ness of them. If you do x you get y seems to me to be a very man-made concept. Perhaps it was thought up by some preists years ago to help control the population, but we will never know.
Now, christianity says that IF I live my life in a certain way and believe in certain things THEN I get everlasting life. I have looked hard and can't seem to find the actual grace in that statement which actually seems more like an ultimatum. With the christian God being benevolent and omnipotent how can He in good conscience let me go hell b/c I didn't follow a particular rule?
-sacrasm for the humor impaired I guess we could always say that God is a pretentious prick and if you don't think His way he won't invite you to his after party. I have yet to hear that argument though. -/sarcasm>
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They talked to the Microsoft engineers, but they had no better documents, nor did they fully understand all the quirks of SMB.
I am sure the MS sent their real smb engineers to talk to the samba team. The samba team most likely spoke to some intern(reading off the same public docs). Do you think any company would send their real engineers out to tell a competitor how their closed protocol works?
What makes me even MORE annoyed is that I've just wasted the last 10 minutes of my life, adding to the offtopic, worthless discussion because it just pisses me off so f**king much that people get a wicked, free service like slashdot, and then use it to complain about getting it.
:) I understand your rant, but don't think that I haven't tried to improve it. I also never said that slashdot sucks, they just seem not be trying very much lately.
/. search is pretty crappy. I was going to use it for Taco's defense, but it even found the duplicate article.
/. His reasons were that most of the news was old stuff that he had already seen and that it had become just a zealotry rant site.
LOL, take that breath
For awhile I was trying to look for and send timely news articles in hopes of getting recent news up on slashdot. Out of the the 3 I sent all 3 were rejected. Ok, thats fine I thought, it must not be a good slashdot story. Then, all 3 stories get accepted by someone else, albeit days later.
> but even the crappy slashdot search
Then why did you use it?
The
The reason I complained here about slashdot was that I don't want to continue to see it degrade. I have been in the process of persuading friends into the whole linux/OS thing and with slashdot(for better or worse) being the "news" site for OS software had them reading it daily. The last time I asked one particular friend if he had seen such and such story he said that he quit reading
*sigh* I guess by your logic I should just give up and quit coming here. Should I quit voting too?
In general linux is better than windows, but saying things like "The record uptime for our W2K servers is 3 months" makes you just look like an incompetent admin. Any system on good hardware and properly configured can be stable. Truthfully, the advantage that linux has over windows in not stability anymore. The main things that I like about linux that windows doesn't have are:
:)
1) Unless you are changing the kernel you don't have to reboot. I really despise updating MSSQL and then having to reboot the system. Why not just restart the MSSQL service?
2) Security. Windows has more virii floating around for it. As an admin I don't really care why MS has virii(more popular system, etc...), but I do care that I constantly have to patch and reboot!!! again.
3) Hardware requirements. Why oh why does a DNS, dhcp, firewall, etc... server need as much hardware as win2k requires? With these types of servers being the main entry points of linux into data centers I am surprised MS hasn't release a NT server lite version. This lite version would only allow a few connections possibly just have a command line interface.
BTW, our main W2k/MSSQL server here is a quad dell box with an external fibre channel disk array and has currently been up for nearly a year. Usage stays above 50% for nearly 24 hours a day, the only times it has ever come down was to update/patch software. It has actually never "crashed"(knock on wood
I would agree, but even the crappy slashdot search came up with the old story post while searching for SLOC. It only came back with 3 stories including this current one. The best part is that Taco also posted the original.
If they manage to walk that tightrope early next year they must then get (probably from the same people) a new loan for 2.5 Billion, or sell off enough assets to raise 2.5 Billion to just pay it outright.
:)
The people who will loan them the money are really the pivotal figures in this equation. Since the creditors are already into WCOME for quite a bit, they may give them another 5B with the hopes that they can get out later with less of a loss. It is all going to depend on how much sweet talking the WCOME CEO can do, and if he can come up with a convincing plan to recovery(sell some divisons, etc...)
It is going to be extremely hard for them to avoid Chatper 11.
I agree in the long term. I just don't think they are going to be filing next week (hence the FUD comment
Why does everyone assume that WCOME is now going to go bankrupt? The lied on their earnings, but that doesn't go in and take 3.2B from their bank accout. Also, unless it changed throughout the day the big story on cnbc this morning was that WCOME is saying they are NOT going bankrupt anytime soon. It caused their stock to triple throughout the day (from .07 - .22)
Will the UUNET network go dark? Not a chance. If/When WCOME does have to sell off its assets some other provider will be right there and will probably take the entire division-people and all. FUD does make good news though.
proper three tier design with a presentation layer, a business logic layer and a database layer.
Who says that each tier must be on a seperate box? When you use stored procedures you are really using a three tier design with the business layer and the database layer on the same box. Sometimes this is the preferable way to implement the 3 tier system because of the performance increase you will get with stored procedures.
The prison experiment is very insteresting b/c is shows just how much the environment can affect actions and attitude. A quick google shows a whole site devoted to it here.
Any corporation that cannot even trust their employees to configure their own work environment is doomed.
;)
It has very little to do with trust. It has to do with support. Corporation can't afford to support hundreds of users on PCs when everyone is installing random things off of the inet, mucking with fonts/colors/etc..., and bacially doing everything but working.
I know it is hard to think that the entire world is not just like you, but most corps are not made up solely of techies. In addition, in many of these lockdown corps the techs still get to do what they want with their desktop(since of course they control the desktop
If I were a CIO who had bought into the ideas of why Open Source provides enormous benefits to my business, I'd want an Open Source desktop I could stick in front of any random administrative assistant and have it work.
Actually CIO want complete control of the desktop in the least expensive way possible. Complete control can happen in any environment(windows, *nix, etc...) with the right admin. The admin removes all configurability from the users and gives the users access only to things they need in an interface consistent across the enterprise. This gets to them to the stick in front of anyone and have it work thing while still having a free OS. The only real thing holding back *nix on the desktop in the enterpise is application compatability(inhouse custom apps, office file formats, etc...).
Home use is a totally different story for linux. Until Joe can go to walmart, buy deerhunter, and 1 click install it onto linux, linux will be a niche in the home market.
Wouldn't the slashdot effect be a way of degrading network performance?
Some more thoughts along the same lines as the parent post. I have to wonder if the only way to get anything posted to slashdot is to submit flaimbait. The article is a well balanced assesment of where linux is today after all of the yesteryear hype. They don't say linux is dead, and the article actually hints around that more and more companies are moving to it for financial reasons. For all those slashdotters claiming that msbnc is biased, well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
Here is a explains exactly how the *transfer* system works. So yes the SS system does buy T-Bills with any excess money, but if you think about it that is just a way to transfer any left over cash to the general government budget.
It's called hedging.
This is untrue, there is an actual filling cabinet that holds the actual US Treasury bonds that are owned by the trust fund.
Um, no. SS is simply a money *tranfer* plan. Take money from the young working bunch and transfer it to the old not working bunch. This has only worked because there have been more young working people than old people. The problem that is coming is that all of the babyboomers are going to be reaching retirement age soon and with the expected life expectancy going higher and higher there will not be enough young working people to support them all.
Both SQL for smarties books rock. Joe Celko does a excellent job at showing why SQL is not as easy as everyone thinks. Showing the 3 different queries that get the same data, but are more or less efficient is very helpful in broadening your understanding of the language and how it works.
Oh come on! I know how to use all of those various technologies and it has nothing to do with one being better than the other.
Having used most of MS's data access technologies I would have to say that ADO has been the best one so far(haven't used ADO.Net yet in production). Disconnected recordsets and ease of use are probably it's strengths.
It has more to do with the fact that MS has absolutely no idea how to solve the persistence problem. Not that say anybody else is better.
Lets assume that MS(or anyone else for that matter) doesn't know how to solve the persistence access problem. How then do they go about solving it without trying new technologies out?
I realize the technical merits of the article, but why is the general media still harping on something that happened 30 years ago? Why doesn't the media do aniversaries for things like travelgate, filegate, Vince Foster, etc...? These things are much more current and still have real implications to people in power (not to mention someone is dead).
I can actually understand both sides of the argument. Linus sees using a debugger as a crutch for not understanding what is going on in your code. People who want to add/use more debugging facilities are just wanting to use all the tools in thier toolbox to create the best possible code.
LOL, happened just like I said. They posted your article by someone else just a little later. Just do what I did...quit submitting articles.
I also quit submitting stories after two were quickly rejected a couple of weeks ago. The kicker is that the story popped up submitted by someone else 4-5 hours later. I guess the news I submitted wasn't old enough *shrug*
Yea that's what I was thinking. How else would the cable company even catch you unless you alerted them to the fact?
I don't think that I am on the outside looking in so to speak. Growing up I was always the kid in Sunday school that asked "why" and bugged the heck out of the teachers. In college I took many religion and philosophy courses(in between CS of course :) in attempts to clear these kinds of questions up. The problem is that the more you learn about other religions/faiths/cultures the more you question who is actually right(for that fact if anyone can be).
:)
I could just go with Pascal's approach which said that by just looking at the consequences you should believe in christianity. To summarize, he said that since it is relatively simple to be a christian why take the chance of burning in hell. Heck I dug up the relevant quote
"If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing." - Pascal
There was a Muhammad also. I don't see all the Christians converting to Muslim though.
Since you are mainly getting christians trying to convert you I thought I would toss something different out at you.
My main problem with most organized religions is the if-then-ness of them. If you do x you get y seems to me to be a very man-made concept. Perhaps it was thought up by some preists years ago to help control the population, but we will never know.
Now, christianity says that IF I live my life in a certain way and believe in certain things THEN I get everlasting life. I have looked hard and can't seem to find the actual grace in that statement which actually seems more like an ultimatum. With the christian God being benevolent and omnipotent how can He in good conscience let me go hell b/c I didn't follow a particular rule?
-sacrasm for the humor impaired
I guess we could always say that God is a pretentious prick and if you don't think His way he won't invite you to his after party. I have yet to hear that argument though.
-/sarcasm>