The complaint didn't list the talk as the reason why he was arrested. The complaint listed the software he wrote in Russia and that was legal to write in Russia as the reason he was arrested. The software was sold in the US but he didn't sell it in the US. They could go after the company he works for but they have no legitimate reason to go after him.
sydb you have been bashing theKompany at every chance. You seem to be all about freedom. So I have a few questions for you. Who are you? What contributions have you made to Open Source? What have you contributed to KDE? How many programmers salaries do you pay? Do you have a business that has contributed half of what theKommpany has contributed to KDE? So they sell some of their stuff, they have managed to find a way to further the base project and to pay the programmers that do the work. Yep. Alan Cox is an Open Source programmer working for Redhat but guess what, if Redhat hadn't bought a lot of closed source companies with the proceeds of their IPO they would probably had to lay off most of their programmers by now. At theKompany they are making an effort to put as much as possible into Open Source but still keep closed what they need to pay the bills. Redhats Closed Source stuff is really closed source and will probably never see the light of day. If you can do better at helping out KDE while still managing to pay the salaries of as many programmers as theKompany then do so. Then I might find you to be something a little better than an arrogant gasbag.
The US has laws against its citizens participating in foreign IPO's. I would bet that it is illegal for a foreign firm to distribute information about an IPO to citizens of the US. Once it is listed on their exchange it is legal for US citizens to purchase the stock. That is provided that the French don't have any laws prohibiting it.
Golly gee, I am related at about the same degree to both the Bush family and the Kennedy family. Does that automatically make me a member of some power elite. If so, I and several hundred of my relatives have been denied our rights for generations. Who do I sue over this? Seriously though, almost eveybody who is anybody in western history is in my family tree somewhere. It takes a lot more than that for you to have power and clout. W's father has far more to do with his position and wealth than some nebulous relation to the English Monarchy. There have always been advantages to being the son of a wealthy and powerful individual. But in the US there have been almost no families where that power remained for more than three generations. That does appear to be changing now though. With the widespread availability of news you are exposed to the antics of each generation as they grow up so you are familiar with them almost to the point that they kind of feel like family. Maybe the greatest threat to democracy in this country is something as simple as the Camelot syndrome.
Oh, by the way just to make a point. I am not a gun nut as such. I grew up around guns, learned how yo use them, and am not afraid of them. They are a tool just like any other. All tols have potential for good or evil but it is the person behind that tool that determines which it will be. And like any other I will give up than tool when it can be proven to my satisfaction that I will never have need for that tool again. I will even go so far as to say that I will give up that tool if it can be proven to my satisfaction that the evil to society posed by my possesion of that tool is worse than any benefit that may come as a result of my possesion of that tool. Given that I have had free and easy access to guns for over 30 years now and have never usedd one to hurt or threaten anybody you would have a tough time proving to me that my possesion of a gun hurts society in any way, shape, or form.
A drastic drop in one years statistics for one state in the country does not show a trend. Average it out over the last decade and you will see that it does not compare so well against the rate of decline in the states that have lightened up the requirements for concealed carry. Another guy who posted below you says post the links for the studies. Why? I made the effort to check out the studies and weed out the bull. I actually made an effort to see what the statistics really say for both sides. Guess what? The anti-gun stance doesn't hold water. Guns and ammo are very easy to make and outlawing them would actually encourage the manufacture and use of fully automatic weapons. If someone is going to be guilty of manufacturing an illegal item why not go all out? The use of handguns to commit violent crimes in Great Britain has gone up since the outlawing of handguns with larger than.22 caliber. To the tune of almost 40%. This is after the turning in and destruction of something like 420,000 handguns in a country that already had strict ownership controls in place. When you are going to start calling something I express an opinion about hogshit you had better have better than facts than New York City and state have had a very dramatic drop in violent crime. That is a shorter period and doesn't address the differences between violent crimes committed with a gun and the ones committed without one. Yes, please look at the FBI statistics. You are the one in for a shock.
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Duh, where did you get the idea that everyone who reads/. is a programmer? Second point, any really good programmer will know quite a bit about chip architectures and what works best in a given situation. A programmer who doesn't understand the architectures he works with won't produce code that gets the best performance. A real nerd, geek, or hacker depending on your bent and preferance will know quite a bit about software and the hardware it runs on. You can be competent and not know about both but you will never be really good without knowing a lot about both.
But if it can't run my current software faster it does suck. I don't buy new processors that require new software to get better performance. I buy what is a better solution for my needs now. Software optimization is almost always a generation behind the processors and that means radical changes are generally a waste. There is no compelling reason for me to purchase a P4 right now. I will reconsider the situation when I do upgrades in a couple of years not the upgrade I am doing this year. But, I'm betting that in a couple of years my decision will be to purchase a Clawhammer or even a Sledgehammer.
Also the states that have had the biggest reductions in violent crime over the last decade have been the ones that have loosened up their concealed carry laws the most.
By virtue of your job you have permission to install those programs necessary to do your your job. A Systems Admin by definition has permission to administer the system. I will practically guarantee that you don't have permission to install software that has nothing to do with the business that you work for though. A user does not have such freedom to install programs because it is not in the best interest of the entity that owns the systems. If you allow your users the right to install software on your systems without permission then you have no means to defend yourself if a software audit is done and it finds illegal software on some systems. You also run into serious performance problems and also support problems.
I have seen a few studies (sorry I don't have any links) that say for the amount of traffic that passes through the area there are no more losses in the Bermuda triangle than anywhere else. Just that is a high traffic area and close to the US so we have heard more stories about losses there.
Not necessarily. The US could order MS to not export or allow the be exported media or source code for XP. That would effectively stop it from being sold anywhere. The EU could issue an injunction against sale there until such time as their anti-trust case is heard. And if I remember correctly there is a possible ani-trust case pending in India. There enough possible cases lined up to keep MS in court for years. The best thing they can do short term is to be able to sell XP. The best thing they could do long term is to not sell XP until they at least get the US out of the way and a clear judgement and remedies. Then release a version of XP that is compliant with US law and the remedies.
Actually it is a very possible step. The appeals court agreed with the fact that Microsoft acted illegally. They just disagreed with the punishment. It is entirely possible that the next judge will decide that XP has to wait until it is decided what the punishment will be and if XP is more of the same behavior. You all keep forgetting one thing, Microsoft has been found guilty. They don't have the right to continue business as normal. A judge could conceivably decide to ban all introduction of new products from them until this case is settled. It wouldn't necessarily imply prejudice just an awareness of the importance of the outcome of this trial.
I disagree about the publishers. If they can be convinced that this can be done and that they will actually have less loss due to theft or copyright infringement then they'll be 100% for it. This doesn't require investment by the publishers. It requires investment by the distributor (bookstore, printing kiosk, library, or whatever). The publisher already has all of his titles in the proper form for this. He puts them in electronic form before the book is printed. It saves him from the hassle of contracting and paying for shipping, from buying and maintaining presses or contracting with the actual printers, and allows him to have more books under contract since he doesn't have to do those things. The revolutionary thing about this is that potentially every book in existance will be available from your local bookstore. All it will take is one person with access to a copy that cares enough to make sure that it is digitised.
Actually you don't have any rights to do anything with any computer system except as specifically authorized. You don't have the right to install any software or use it for any purpose that is not specifically authorized by the appropriate authority. Some places will have you sign a paper so that they have a record showing that you are aware of what is allowed and not allowed but it really isn't necessary. All they really need to do is go to court and say that you were never given permission to make any changes to the system.
And you too could have found yourself fighting to stay out of jail. I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy for the guy. This is one of those common sense items that some people just can't comprehend. If you don't have permission to run this type of client on someone elses computers then you are guilty of theft of processing time and theft of the bandwith. I don't care how good the cause is or whether you personally can gain any benefit from it. You have to cya by getting permission. You don't own the machines, the network, or pay for the bandwith, so you don't have the right to decide to use them in any way that is not directly related to their purpose for being there.
Yeah and if you idiots would get your acts together and learn how to defend yourselves we wouldn't have to bail you out so often. There is a line in the bible that says "God helps thode who help themselves". The new US motto should be "the US helps those who help themselves". If we ever got in a bind and needed the help of Europe we'd never get you all out from under your beds.
I agree I have not seen anything in this order that precludes another court from ordering the same remedies as Jackson. They just have to be more careful about appearing unbiased and allow the evidentiary hearings.
That's funny. I've got Aurora and it lets me know if something didn't start right. Doesn't give all of the details but I know where to look for the problem.
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The complaint didn't list the talk as the reason why he was arrested. The complaint listed the software he wrote in Russia and that was legal to write in Russia as the reason he was arrested. The software was sold in the US but he didn't sell it in the US. They could go after the company he works for but they have no legitimate reason to go after him.
In the FBI's request for an indictment they did not list his talk as the crime for which they were arresting him.
sydb you have been bashing theKompany at every chance. You seem to be all about freedom. So I have a few questions for you. Who are you? What contributions have you made to Open Source? What have you contributed to KDE? How many programmers salaries do you pay? Do you have a business that has contributed half of what theKommpany has contributed to KDE? So they sell some of their stuff, they have managed to find a way to further the base project and to pay the programmers that do the work. Yep. Alan Cox is an Open Source programmer working for Redhat but guess what, if Redhat hadn't bought a lot of closed source companies with the proceeds of their IPO they would probably had to lay off most of their programmers by now. At theKompany they are making an effort to put as much as possible into Open Source but still keep closed what they need to pay the bills. Redhats Closed Source stuff is really closed source and will probably never see the light of day. If you can do better at helping out KDE while still managing to pay the salaries of as many programmers as theKompany then do so. Then I might find you to be something a little better than an arrogant gasbag.
The US has laws against its citizens participating in foreign IPO's. I would bet that it is illegal for a foreign firm to distribute information about an IPO to citizens of the US. Once it is listed on their exchange it is legal for US citizens to purchase the stock. That is provided that the French don't have any laws prohibiting it.
Just a question, do you ever install security patches?
Golly gee, I am related at about the same degree to both the Bush family and the Kennedy family. Does that automatically make me a member of some power elite. If so, I and several hundred of my relatives have been denied our rights for generations. Who do I sue over this? Seriously though, almost eveybody who is anybody in western history is in my family tree somewhere. It takes a lot more than that for you to have power and clout. W's father has far more to do with his position and wealth than some nebulous relation to the English Monarchy. There have always been advantages to being the son of a wealthy and powerful individual. But in the US there have been almost no families where that power remained for more than three generations. That does appear to be changing now though. With the widespread availability of news you are exposed to the antics of each generation as they grow up so you are familiar with them almost to the point that they kind of feel like family. Maybe the greatest threat to democracy in this country is something as simple as the Camelot syndrome.
Oh, by the way just to make a point. I am not a gun nut as such. I grew up around guns, learned how yo use them, and am not afraid of them. They are a tool just like any other. All tols have potential for good or evil but it is the person behind that tool that determines which it will be. And like any other I will give up than tool when it can be proven to my satisfaction that I will never have need for that tool again. I will even go so far as to say that I will give up that tool if it can be proven to my satisfaction that the evil to society posed by my possesion of that tool is worse than any benefit that may come as a result of my possesion of that tool. Given that I have had free and easy access to guns for over 30 years now and have never usedd one to hurt or threaten anybody you would have a tough time proving to me that my possesion of a gun hurts society in any way, shape, or form.
A drastic drop in one years statistics for one state in the country does not show a trend. Average it out over the last decade and you will see that it does not compare so well against the rate of decline in the states that have lightened up the requirements for concealed carry. Another guy who posted below you says post the links for the studies. Why? I made the effort to check out the studies and weed out the bull. I actually made an effort to see what the statistics really say for both sides. Guess what? The anti-gun stance doesn't hold water. Guns and ammo are very easy to make and outlawing them would actually encourage the manufacture and use of fully automatic weapons. If someone is going to be guilty of manufacturing an illegal item why not go all out? The use of handguns to commit violent crimes in Great Britain has gone up since the outlawing of handguns with larger than .22 caliber. To the tune of almost 40%. This is after the turning in and destruction of something like 420,000 handguns in a country that already had strict ownership controls in place. When you are going to start calling something I express an opinion about hogshit you had better have better than facts than New York City and state have had a very dramatic drop in violent crime. That is a shorter period and doesn't address the differences between violent crimes committed with a gun and the ones committed without one. Yes, please look at the FBI statistics. You are the one in for a shock.
Duh, where did you get the idea that everyone who reads /. is a programmer? Second point, any really good programmer will know quite a bit about chip architectures and what works best in a given situation. A programmer who doesn't understand the architectures he works with won't produce code that gets the best performance. A real nerd, geek, or hacker depending on your bent and preferance will know quite a bit about software and the hardware it runs on. You can be competent and not know about both but you will never be really good without knowing a lot about both.
But if it can't run my current software faster it does suck. I don't buy new processors that require new software to get better performance. I buy what is a better solution for my needs now. Software optimization is almost always a generation behind the processors and that means radical changes are generally a waste. There is no compelling reason for me to purchase a P4 right now. I will reconsider the situation when I do upgrades in a couple of years not the upgrade I am doing this year. But, I'm betting that in a couple of years my decision will be to purchase a Clawhammer or even a Sledgehammer.
Also the states that have had the biggest reductions in violent crime over the last decade have been the ones that have loosened up their concealed carry laws the most.
By virtue of your job you have permission to install those programs necessary to do your your job. A Systems Admin by definition has permission to administer the system. I will practically guarantee that you don't have permission to install software that has nothing to do with the business that you work for though. A user does not have such freedom to install programs because it is not in the best interest of the entity that owns the systems. If you allow your users the right to install software on your systems without permission then you have no means to defend yourself if a software audit is done and it finds illegal software on some systems. You also run into serious performance problems and also support problems.
I have seen a few studies (sorry I don't have any links) that say for the amount of traffic that passes through the area there are no more losses in the Bermuda triangle than anywhere else. Just that is a high traffic area and close to the US so we have heard more stories about losses there.
Not necessarily. The US could order MS to not export or allow the be exported media or source code for XP. That would effectively stop it from being sold anywhere. The EU could issue an injunction against sale there until such time as their anti-trust case is heard. And if I remember correctly there is a possible ani-trust case pending in India. There enough possible cases lined up to keep MS in court for years. The best thing they can do short term is to be able to sell XP. The best thing they could do long term is to not sell XP until they at least get the US out of the way and a clear judgement and remedies. Then release a version of XP that is compliant with US law and the remedies.
Actually it is a very possible step. The appeals court agreed with the fact that Microsoft acted illegally. They just disagreed with the punishment. It is entirely possible that the next judge will decide that XP has to wait until it is decided what the punishment will be and if XP is more of the same behavior. You all keep forgetting one thing, Microsoft has been found guilty. They don't have the right to continue business as normal. A judge could conceivably decide to ban all introduction of new products from them until this case is settled. It wouldn't necessarily imply prejudice just an awareness of the importance of the outcome of this trial.
I disagree about the publishers. If they can be convinced that this can be done and that they will actually have less loss due to theft or copyright infringement then they'll be 100% for it. This doesn't require investment by the publishers. It requires investment by the distributor (bookstore, printing kiosk, library, or whatever). The publisher already has all of his titles in the proper form for this. He puts them in electronic form before the book is printed. It saves him from the hassle of contracting and paying for shipping, from buying and maintaining presses or contracting with the actual printers, and allows him to have more books under contract since he doesn't have to do those things. The revolutionary thing about this is that potentially every book in existance will be available from your local bookstore. All it will take is one person with access to a copy that cares enough to make sure that it is digitised.
That sounds an awful lot like a bunch of the teenagers I know.
Actually you don't have any rights to do anything with any computer system except as specifically authorized. You don't have the right to install any software or use it for any purpose that is not specifically authorized by the appropriate authority. Some places will have you sign a paper so that they have a record showing that you are aware of what is allowed and not allowed but it really isn't necessary. All they really need to do is go to court and say that you were never given permission to make any changes to the system.
And you too could have found yourself fighting to stay out of jail. I'm sorry I don't have any sympathy for the guy. This is one of those common sense items that some people just can't comprehend. If you don't have permission to run this type of client on someone elses computers then you are guilty of theft of processing time and theft of the bandwith. I don't care how good the cause is or whether you personally can gain any benefit from it. You have to cya by getting permission. You don't own the machines, the network, or pay for the bandwith, so you don't have the right to decide to use them in any way that is not directly related to their purpose for being there.
But the states have to agree and that ain't agonna happen.
All of the above. If you own stock in Microsoft then you are as guilty as Bill Gates. Profiting from a monopoly is condoning that monopoly.
Yeah and if you idiots would get your acts together and learn how to defend yourselves we wouldn't have to bail you out so often. There is a line in the bible that says "God helps thode who help themselves". The new US motto should be "the US helps those who help themselves". If we ever got in a bind and needed the help of Europe we'd never get you all out from under your beds.
I agree I have not seen anything in this order that precludes another court from ordering the same remedies as Jackson. They just have to be more careful about appearing unbiased and allow the evidentiary hearings.
That's funny. I've got Aurora and it lets me know if something didn't start right. Doesn't give all of the details but I know where to look for the problem.
AIX can't even begin to touch Tru64 in the clustering department.