I love hearing these "horror stories" about people listed by some well-known DNSbl like SpamCop or SPEWS, telling us how unfair it was and how impossible it was to work with the list maintainers, but they never provide any details so we can't investigate their case.
Of course, in one case a company did provide extensive details that, when looked into, showed that their listing was perfectly justified.
I'd heard that they'd actually considered recasting or even just making Gloria look different for the third movie, though I don't know how accurate the reports were.
The "allowing her old shell to be destroyed" was written in when she died. It's not something that I just thought up, it's part of the story. Yes, it might have been impromptu because of the death of an actress, but it was integrated into the story, not thought up by fanboys.
I guess that this is Microsoft's chance to show off their new ActiveDeath(R) technology.
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- people start calling each other by nicknames ('merv', 'trin') in an hour's time
'Trin' was not exactly prescedented, but I can overlook it. "Merv" isn't an issue at all; Trinity was making a snide remark.
- the young indian girl and the trainkeeper seem to have no real purpose
The trainman was somewhat gratituous, but Sati has a level of importance that is implied more than explained. The oracle allowed her old shell to be destroyed specifically because she believes that Sati is important to the future of both the humans and the machines. It's just that there really wasn't any way to develop her much in the movie.
Source of a number of complaints...(minor spoiler)
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I've seen a lot of complaints from people who just didn't like how things were resolved. They didn't have specific complaints about the storytelling, dialogue (which itself is fodder for snide commentary), action or anything but how the story played out. Specifically, they had their own ideas of how things should work out (such as the Matrix-in-a-Matrix) and when these things didn't come to fruition they became horribly disappointed and jaded.
I'm not saying that everyone who hated the movie is like that -- some of them have valid complaints -- but many of the detractors, especially on the Matrix fan boards, have been citing the fact that events didn't work out how they wanted.
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The Bad Guys lost!
The only "Bad Guys" that lost were the Smiths. The machines didn't 'lose', they pulled a Minbari: they had humanity cornered and doomed, then they surrendered and buggered off without an explanation (well, the audience knows the reason, but the Zionites don't).
I liked the movie overall, but I was confused as to how exactly Smith was stopped. I can think of three possibilities.
1) Neo had split some of the 'code' necessary for restarting the Matrix with Smith in the first movie. Being taken over by Smith rejoined the code and restarted the Matrix. I only think of this one because I'd heard someone else mention it somewhere.
2) Neo and Smith, being opposites, negated one another when they joined together.
3) Neo, being connected to the Source (and directly connected via Deus Ex Machina) was able to terminate Smith by bringing Smith to the Source.
None of these explanations fully satisfies me as to what really happened. I'd not mind hearing additional insight.
No. Belkin is not a government entity. Legally, they can configure their hardware to reject packets from sites that they find offensive. Of course, there's the issue of disclosure that could make for fraud charges, but there's no First Amendment violation, just like there's no First Amentment violation when an ISP blocks spammers from sending mail to their system.
I could go on about how the special edition had so many little changes that it's impossible to squeeze both versions onto a disc with seamless branching, but honestly I don't think that there were that many extensive changes, and some of them might not be very noticable (like cleaning up some of the special effects -- it's not a drastic change, so why have two shots?), so that's not what I think the issue is.
Lucas is so arrogant and egotistical that he will never admit that there are Star Wars fans who prefer the movies as they were presented originally. As such, he sees no need to ever release the original trilogy in their original format, ever. There's no demand in his mind, because his ego won't let him see that a lot of the people don't like the changes.
I don't think it was mentioned in the last dialog, that only the ones that "want" will be freed, it was simply "all" of them (with no exeptions)
I'm pretty sure that the Oracle specifically asked about those that "wanted" to be free.
I saw the new Matrix more like a world for the programs "without purpose", did you see how artifical everything looked and how empty?
It looked to me like an early Sunday morning, where you wouldn't expect to see a lot of traffic. That's what I got from it. I saw no indication that every human plugged into the Matrix would be suddenly released -- they'd all die anyway, since they would suddenly be dumped without anyone to provide needed medical care.
What about the train station. Ever heard of a bus inside a computer? All the movies where full of a parallels to computers: shell, bus, source, buffer, oracle as cache controller, architect as CPU... It just makes sense to have a train station. How does data get out of your computer?
Elements of the movie, with sentient programs that had "functions" like regulating power and such being personified and falling in love reminded me of Tron -- though I can understand them justifying having the programs in this machine world actually being sentient. Anyway, your comment reminded me of Tron 2.0, where programs boarded a transport to travel across the network.
My understanding was that the "Smith" virus was something new, though I could be wrong -- it would make sense for something like this to happen every time because it does explain what would lead to the system crash. Perhaps it's always something similar to this, not quite the same, but still a setup that brings about the end of the Matrix if the One does not intervene.
I don't know where I read this, but I read this somewhere.
There was a report going around that when Neo "destroyed" Smith in the first movie, he split the "code" that was to be re-inserted into the Source into Smith. This explains where Smith got his powers and why he was Neo's "opposite". When Smith copied himself onto Neo, that put the code back together and re-inserted it into the Matrix, allowing it to be restored to a functional state.
I don't recall all of the details, though, so I can't say what happened with the other five Ones.
Yes, and most of his reason for being there is explained as well. There are some minor details not revealed in the movie, as they were covered in the Enter the Matrix game.
The agents can take over plugged-in people, ie, overwrite their cranial software, REMOTELY. So they can upload themselves into any plugged-in entity by simply choosing a human to copy over.
I'm not sure if "copy" is the right term for what the Agents do. They seem to hijack a person's connection to the Matrix and superimpose their own program overtop of the hijacked person, however Enter the Matrix (note: don't play this game unless you have patience for bad gameplay and want the backstory involved) demonstrated that the Agent can, while in one person, jump to another, leaving the original host unharmed (though disoriented because they just lost whatever amount of time passed while the Agent was in them).
Smith's ability seems to be different than that of the Agents, where rather than superimposing himself, he actually copies himself onto a person. Of course, there seems to be indication that something of the 'infected' program survives, but I can't give away more than that.
Neo was a 'useless mass of flesh' because his muscles had never been used before and thus had atrophied. Bane had been "unplugged" for some time, so his muscles were working properly.
Presumably in the Matrix, the brain functions for moving 'virtual legs' are the same as they would be for moving your real legs, it's just that the movement signals are interrupted before they reach the physical legs so that they can be interpreted in the virtual world instead, meaning that when someone is unplugged, once their muscles work properly there's little time needed to gain motor functions. It would certainly be easier on the machines to do that than set up an entirely new way that the human brain would need to work in order to move various body parts.
As for Smith, it's possible that when he copied himself onto Bane, he gained Bane's motor functions (perhaps he just overwrote the basic personality without the core brain functions), or perhaps the Agents were always able to produce that brain function since they needed it when they took over humans hooked into the Matrix in order to move.
Smith's taking over of people was different than the taking over of people by real Agents. When an Agent takes someone in the Matrix over, they're essentially just hijacking their connection in the system (and presumably this requires a direct connection to the Matrix, rather than a piggybacked pirate signal). They're not overwriting that person, they're just temporarily superimposing themself onto that person. That's why, when the Agent leaves someone (apart from getting 'killed', as seen in the first movie), the person taken over is restored without any ill effect apart from having a hole in their memory from when they weren't there (this was seen in Enter the Matrix, where an Agent jumped out of a SWAT agent).
Smith didn't take people over that way. Smith copied himself onto others, apparently overwriting them (at least part of them) with his code. The Agents were 'moving' from connection to connection. Smith was copying himself onto anything currently inside the Matrix. Two different methods of 'taking over'.
Some of these people who whine about Smith taking over Bane should see The Thirteenth Floor, or read the book on which it was based, Simulacron 3. Honestly, Smith taking over Bane struck me as slightly more believable than the 'takeovers' in Simulacron 3.
Zion is the focus because its the free world; everything else is 'controlled', whether virtual or real.
Actually, Zion was controlled too. That's the point -- the machines controlled everything, even the things that the humans thought were free. By the end, however, their control over Zion was gone due to their bargain with Neo.
I dunno, I thought that scene was a LOT more touching and a lot less fake than EITHER of the first two movies Trinity-saves-Neo or Neo-saves-Trinity scenes.
I didn't particularly hate that scene, but I thought that it went on too long.
Still, I think that Revolution had fewer "too long" scenes than Reloaded. In Reloaded, everything seemed to go on just a little too long. In Revolutions, I thought that only the dialogue scenes ran long.
It goes back to what the Architect said in the first movie, that 99% of the people inside of the Matrix accepted it, even if only at a near-unconscious level. This means that 1% did not accept it and would wish to be released.
The previous situation had those who wanted out being tossed out, but in a controlled fashion wherein they would be terminated before they could reach critical mass, sustaining a cycle. The new system, brought in through Neo's actions and manipulated into place by the Oracle, would allow those who wanted out to go out and rejoin a budding new human civilization. The machines would no longer have complete control, so the humans would truly be "free", where before they only thought that they were free.
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I love hearing these "horror stories" about people listed by some well-known DNSbl like SpamCop or SPEWS, telling us how unfair it was and how impossible it was to work with the list maintainers, but they never provide any details so we can't investigate their case.
Of course, in one case a company did provide extensive details that, when looked into, showed that their listing was perfectly justified.
Hey, Star Wars Galaxies wasn't finished on time. In fact, it still hasn't been finished yet, but that didn't stop it from being relieased
I'd heard that they'd actually considered recasting or even just making Gloria look different for the third movie, though I don't know how accurate the reports were.
The "allowing her old shell to be destroyed" was written in when she died. It's not something that I just thought up, it's part of the story. Yes, it might have been impromptu because of the death of an actress, but it was integrated into the story, not thought up by fanboys.
I guess that this is Microsoft's chance to show off their new ActiveDeath(R) technology.
- people start calling each other by nicknames ('merv', 'trin') in an hour's time
'Trin' was not exactly prescedented, but I can overlook it. "Merv" isn't an issue at all; Trinity was making a snide remark.
- the young indian girl and the trainkeeper seem to have no real purpose
The trainman was somewhat gratituous, but Sati has a level of importance that is implied more than explained. The oracle allowed her old shell to be destroyed specifically because she believes that Sati is important to the future of both the humans and the machines. It's just that there really wasn't any way to develop her much in the movie.
I've seen a lot of complaints from people who just didn't like how things were resolved. They didn't have specific complaints about the storytelling, dialogue (which itself is fodder for snide commentary), action or anything but how the story played out. Specifically, they had their own ideas of how things should work out (such as the Matrix-in-a-Matrix) and when these things didn't come to fruition they became horribly disappointed and jaded.
I'm not saying that everyone who hated the movie is like that -- some of them have valid complaints -- but many of the detractors, especially on the Matrix fan boards, have been citing the fact that events didn't work out how they wanted.
The Bad Guys lost!
The only "Bad Guys" that lost were the Smiths. The machines didn't 'lose', they pulled a Minbari: they had humanity cornered and doomed, then they surrendered and buggered off without an explanation (well, the audience knows the reason, but the Zionites don't).
I liked the movie overall, but I was confused as to how exactly Smith was stopped. I can think of three possibilities.
1) Neo had split some of the 'code' necessary for restarting the Matrix with Smith in the first movie. Being taken over by Smith rejoined the code and restarted the Matrix. I only think of this one because I'd heard someone else mention it somewhere.
2) Neo and Smith, being opposites, negated one another when they joined together.
3) Neo, being connected to the Source (and directly connected via Deus Ex Machina) was able to terminate Smith by bringing Smith to the Source.
None of these explanations fully satisfies me as to what really happened. I'd not mind hearing additional insight.
...I'm not the only one who hated Akira!?
ANAL but couldn't this violate free speech?
No. Belkin is not a government entity. Legally, they can configure their hardware to reject packets from sites that they find offensive. Of course, there's the issue of disclosure that could make for fraud charges, but there's no First Amendment violation, just like there's no First Amentment violation when an ISP blocks spammers from sending mail to their system.
I could go on about how the special edition had so many little changes that it's impossible to squeeze both versions onto a disc with seamless branching, but honestly I don't think that there were that many extensive changes, and some of them might not be very noticable (like cleaning up some of the special effects -- it's not a drastic change, so why have two shots?), so that's not what I think the issue is.
Lucas is so arrogant and egotistical that he will never admit that there are Star Wars fans who prefer the movies as they were presented originally. As such, he sees no need to ever release the original trilogy in their original format, ever. There's no demand in his mind, because his ego won't let him see that a lot of the people don't like the changes.
I don't think it was mentioned in the last dialog, that only the ones that "want" will be freed, it was simply "all" of them (with no exeptions)
... It just makes sense to have a train station. How does data get out of your computer?
I'm pretty sure that the Oracle specifically asked about those that "wanted" to be free.
I saw the new Matrix more like a world for the programs "without purpose", did you see how artifical everything looked and how empty?
It looked to me like an early Sunday morning, where you wouldn't expect to see a lot of traffic. That's what I got from it. I saw no indication that every human plugged into the Matrix would be suddenly released -- they'd all die anyway, since they would suddenly be dumped without anyone to provide needed medical care.
What about the train station. Ever heard of a bus inside a computer? All the movies where full of a parallels to computers: shell, bus, source, buffer, oracle as cache controller, architect as CPU
Elements of the movie, with sentient programs that had "functions" like regulating power and such being personified and falling in love reminded me of Tron -- though I can understand them justifying having the programs in this machine world actually being sentient. Anyway, your comment reminded me of Tron 2.0, where programs boarded a transport to travel across the network.
My understanding was that the "Smith" virus was something new, though I could be wrong -- it would make sense for something like this to happen every time because it does explain what would lead to the system crash. Perhaps it's always something similar to this, not quite the same, but still a setup that brings about the end of the Matrix if the One does not intervene.
I don't know where I read this, but I read this somewhere.
There was a report going around that when Neo "destroyed" Smith in the first movie, he split the "code" that was to be re-inserted into the Source into Smith. This explains where Smith got his powers and why he was Neo's "opposite". When Smith copied himself onto Neo, that put the code back together and re-inserted it into the Matrix, allowing it to be restored to a functional state.
I don't recall all of the details, though, so I can't say what happened with the other five Ones.
Yes, and most of his reason for being there is explained as well. There are some minor details not revealed in the movie, as they were covered in the Enter the Matrix game.
The lack of character development in Dark City was part of the story, for better or for worse.
There is a conclusion, but there are still things going on that could be covered in further entertainment venues such as comic books or video games.
It has been known for some time that The Matrix Online is to take place after The Matrix Revolutions
The agents can take over plugged-in people, ie, overwrite their cranial software, REMOTELY. So they can upload themselves into any plugged-in entity by simply choosing a human to copy over.
I'm not sure if "copy" is the right term for what the Agents do. They seem to hijack a person's connection to the Matrix and superimpose their own program overtop of the hijacked person, however Enter the Matrix (note: don't play this game unless you have patience for bad gameplay and want the backstory involved) demonstrated that the Agent can, while in one person, jump to another, leaving the original host unharmed (though disoriented because they just lost whatever amount of time passed while the Agent was in them).
Smith's ability seems to be different than that of the Agents, where rather than superimposing himself, he actually copies himself onto a person. Of course, there seems to be indication that something of the 'infected' program survives, but I can't give away more than that.
I got up incredibly early to catch the first showing. I made a little typo. I meant to refer to the second movie. Get over yourself, jackass.
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Your biggest fears for the third film won't be fully realised. Saying more would spoil things to some extent.
If you want to know a bit more, reply to this and I'll give you as much information as I can without really heavily spoiling things.
Neo was a 'useless mass of flesh' because his muscles had never been used before and thus had atrophied. Bane had been "unplugged" for some time, so his muscles were working properly.
Presumably in the Matrix, the brain functions for moving 'virtual legs' are the same as they would be for moving your real legs, it's just that the movement signals are interrupted before they reach the physical legs so that they can be interpreted in the virtual world instead, meaning that when someone is unplugged, once their muscles work properly there's little time needed to gain motor functions. It would certainly be easier on the machines to do that than set up an entirely new way that the human brain would need to work in order to move various body parts.
As for Smith, it's possible that when he copied himself onto Bane, he gained Bane's motor functions (perhaps he just overwrote the basic personality without the core brain functions), or perhaps the Agents were always able to produce that brain function since they needed it when they took over humans hooked into the Matrix in order to move.
Smith's taking over of people was different than the taking over of people by real Agents. When an Agent takes someone in the Matrix over, they're essentially just hijacking their connection in the system (and presumably this requires a direct connection to the Matrix, rather than a piggybacked pirate signal). They're not overwriting that person, they're just temporarily superimposing themself onto that person. That's why, when the Agent leaves someone (apart from getting 'killed', as seen in the first movie), the person taken over is restored without any ill effect apart from having a hole in their memory from when they weren't there (this was seen in Enter the Matrix, where an Agent jumped out of a SWAT agent).
Smith didn't take people over that way. Smith copied himself onto others, apparently overwriting them (at least part of them) with his code. The Agents were 'moving' from connection to connection. Smith was copying himself onto anything currently inside the Matrix. Two different methods of 'taking over'.
Some of these people who whine about Smith taking over Bane should see The Thirteenth Floor, or read the book on which it was based, Simulacron 3. Honestly, Smith taking over Bane struck me as slightly more believable than the 'takeovers' in Simulacron 3.
Zion is the focus because its the free world; everything else is 'controlled', whether virtual or real.
Actually, Zion was controlled too. That's the point -- the machines controlled everything, even the things that the humans thought were free. By the end, however, their control over Zion was gone due to their bargain with Neo.
I dunno, I thought that scene was a LOT more touching and a lot less fake than EITHER of the first two movies Trinity-saves-Neo or Neo-saves-Trinity scenes.
I didn't particularly hate that scene, but I thought that it went on too long.
Still, I think that Revolution had fewer "too long" scenes than Reloaded. In Reloaded, everything seemed to go on just a little too long. In Revolutions, I thought that only the dialogue scenes ran long.
It goes back to what the Architect said in the first movie, that 99% of the people inside of the Matrix accepted it, even if only at a near-unconscious level. This means that 1% did not accept it and would wish to be released.
The previous situation had those who wanted out being tossed out, but in a controlled fashion wherein they would be terminated before they could reach critical mass, sustaining a cycle. The new system, brought in through Neo's actions and manipulated into place by the Oracle, would allow those who wanted out to go out and rejoin a budding new human civilization. The machines would no longer have complete control, so the humans would truly be "free", where before they only thought that they were free.