Good point. But I was trying to be brief and not write a dissertation.
What I mean is that what many people find "fun" can shorten your life. Whether it's bungee-jumping, car racing, skydiving, playing video games!, watching the telly from the couch, etc., ad infinitum all have certain risks.
I'd imagine that bungee-jumping is FAR riskier than playing video games. If that bungee breaks, it's all over. Some people like to play video games. Some people like to bungee-jump. It's all a personal matter, and a matter of an individual personally managing risk. The government has no business in deciding here.
Um, that is moronic. How can the RIAA search your bank safety deposit box? Can they? That is scary.
How much does a hard drive cost? How much does an RIAA lawsuit cost? It's easy to buy a $100 drive and make a copy on your own.
Make 10 copies. Put the hard drive in an ammo case and bury it in the woods. Give a copy to a friend. Copy it to a laptop hard drive and carry it in your pocket. Burn it onto DVDs and hang them on your Christmas tree. It's just data, zeroes and ones. Anyone who uses a computer should be able to copy the data. Use "dd" under Linux, use Norton Ghost under Windows. It's easy. It's logic. Make a backup, keep it somewhere safe. Give it to your Grandma to keep under her bed.
Then fall over and drop the one they want. BAM as it hits the floor. OOPS, so sorry mister RIAA man.
This whole hard drive as evidence argument is meaningless. Hard drives fail. Some fail often. It is easy to MAKE them fail. Dropping them is one way. Normal failure is no different than forced failure.
Sure, here's my hard drive (trips over chair leg)...
WHAP! (Noise made as hard drive is dropped and violently falls onto floor)
Of course you would want to make your OWN image of the drive beforehand, and store it somewhere safe, like a safety deposit box at your bank or somewhere....
They want to turn it into a toaster, an "appliance." They want control over what you can and cannot do, and they are slowly gaining it too, from region codes (RPC II) in DVD drives, encryption (in EVERYTHING) like HD DVD and BluRay, HDCP, HDMI, etc... "trusted computing." All of this stuff is creeping into hardware daily, and it's getting to where you can't buy computer hardware WITHOUT this shit.
Of course, this is all necessary so you can "enjoy" all of the great "premium content." This is not normal 'content' mind you, this is Gee-Whiz Shazzamo "PREMIUM" awesome content that just requires all of this new DRM-out-the-wazoo hardware.
And here I thought it was the same crap they have been peddling for years in slightly higher resolution... Guess what, my computer can ALREADY play 1920x1080 AVI's perfectly fine (Elephant's Dream). And I don't have any of that DRM crap on MY system...
And I will tell you why. I actually like the NT kernel and architecture. I think it is well designed, and works great when built upon properly. I think Windows 2000 is the probably the best consumer OS ever made, even though Microsoft pointed it at business users. It's what I run, and likely will not switch from, except for (maybe) running XP in a VM to run some games.
But even with 2000, MS had to insert their boneheaded ideas in it. For example, with "Windows File Protection," which is really the sfc.exe ("System FIle Checker") and sfcfiles.dll (The actual list of files to be protected, stuck in a DLL) it gives an Admin NO WAY to add to or change which files are protected. And it includes things like PINBALL.EXE!!! in the list of protected, undeletable system files. And creates stupid things like "C:\Program Files\microsoft frontpage" when I DO NOT even have Frontpage or IIS installed. And unless you disable SFC (which I did) it will re-create the stupid directory on every re-boot. So what COULD HAVE BEEN a useful feature is more like a "let MS Admin your computer for you" feature, because there is no way for the owner of the computer to manage which files are protected under "Windows File Protection." And guess what, on COMPUTERS I OWN, **I** like to control what directories are created and where they are placed. It's MY computer!!!
Now I have read, from a recent article by Mary Jo Foley, ZDNET, that some of the new security in Vista will come from "Code protection technologies such as tamper resistance, code obfuscation, and anti-reverse engineering measures..." THIS IS NOT SECURITY. This is HIDING YOUR BUGS. Instead of actually fixing the bugs, or not having them to begin with, they are actively trying to just make them harder to find. But they are still IN THERE!! This is just simply boneheaded. This is not the way to develop an OS.
With this new WGA crap, they are trying to FORCE users to install (and keep installed) components that NO ONE WANTS (except MS, of course). But guess what, any decent computer Admin **MUST** have the ability to accept or deny ANY update to the OS and have the ability to rollback changes if they cause problems. Just Google for wgatray.exe for many fine examples of the horrible problems their crap is causing.
With Win 2000 at least, MS created a good OS, once you fix the initial problems. But for me at least, there is NO WAY I will "upgrade" to this Vista shit with requiring signed drivers (what about independent hardware hackers/developers?) or XP with "Activation" (what, I can't swap out my motherboard without CALLING and RE-ACTIVATING?) They have just gone too far with this DRM and Anti-Piracy shit. NOT IN MY OPERATING SYSTEM.
I need to move to Linux. Kubuntu is looking really good now. If I can just get the couple of games I like working under WINE or Cedega, then F*** MS. It's just too much. I've had enough.
Yes, this company (at eink.com) has a fairly amazing new product. I would love to invest in them, but they are a privately held company.
It works like a sort of like a high-tech 'etch-a-sketch,' magnetic charged particles stick to the screen in either black or white (negative or positive charge) and STAY there until the image changes. So power is needed only for the image changes. This clock is the first example I have seen here on Slashdot, but Boing Boing recently showed an e-Book reader using this same tech. Sony branded, I believe.
In my opinion, the e-Book use is the IDEAL use for this. I have never seen it in action, but from all reports, it looks and 'acts' like paper, easily readable, just black text on a white page. The sony device looked very interesting.
Here, I found a bunch of pictures. Japan only so far, but what new tech isn't...
For someone to start a company building and selling MythTV boxes. Put a large hard drive in it, DVD burner, etc... Ideally it would be region free, HDTV capable, PVR features, able to play DVD/CD/MP3/VCD/SVCD/JPG/etc... You could rip DVDs and CDs, store your music library, use as a WebTV, and so on. It would replace your CD player, your VCR, your DVD player, your Stereo (with a radio card). It would be the one-for-all media box.
If someone started selling these pre-made and ready to go, I'll be the first to buy. Of course, I could probably build one, but I KNOW the market is there to buy them if somebody steps up to the plate.
(Say) I own a restaurant. I've been in restaurant business for 28 years, but just recently this young man approached me about a "web-site" thing. I don't know diddly-squat about computers and such, but it's cheap. I pay him $500 and sets up a web-site for me. All is wonderful...
Later, I get notice that my web-site thing is "wrong" but I can no longer reach the guy that made it? What do I do??????
[I in fact know people who have web sites set up for their business by short-lived companies. The web sites often live on, longer than their creators. The "owners" who paid to have them created may not know HOW to change them.]
I bought a 17" Powerbook. While I'm fairly happy with it, they are a bit hacker-unfriendly in some respects.
The UJ-825 "SuperDrive" in mine is RPC-2 with a vengeance, for example. It won't even read the raw data from an out-of-region DVD, making even VNC useless, and it doesn't look like any firmware hacks will be forthcoming.
Also, because Broadcom will not release specs on the Airport Extreme, no "monitor mode" is available, so passive wardriving is impossible without using a 3rd-party wireless card.
Maybe someone smarter than me will eventually reverse engineer and fix these problems, but it's not looking too good so far. IMO, Apple needs to get back to it's hacker-friendly roots.
Future versions of the SunnComm software would include ways that the copy-protecting files would change their name on different computers, making them harder to find, Jacobs said. Moreover, the company will distribute the technology along with third-party software, so that it doesn't always come off a protected CD, he added.
So, they intend to get their DLL onto your system by having it installed by other unrelated programs... Sneaky.
Future versions of the SunnComm software would include ways that the copy-protecting files would change their name on different computers, making them harder to find, Jacobs said. Moreover, the company will distribute the technology along with third-party software, so that it doesn't always come off a protected CD, he added.
So, they intend to get their DLL onto your system by having it installed by other unrelated programs... Sneaky.
Once upon a time, I was a hacker. I've always been into computers, since I first encountered a TRS-80 in 1977. I'm 36 now. I'm still using my original handle from those days, and wrote an article for Phrack in '85. I actually was one of the people who helped talk Craig (Neidorf, "Knight Lightning") into starting it as an online magazine. I've always believed in freedom of information.
In those early days, there were LOTS of us (young people) who were into computers and were fascinated by them. But there was no internet, and those of us in small towns (like myself) had NO means to communicate with others with the same interests, other than BBS system using a 300 baud modem, or 1200 baud if you could possibly afford it.
So, at that time, if you wanted to learn and communicate, one of the first things you would do would be to call BBS's all over the US. But phone charges were high!! And the parents didn't like that!! So -- you would ask around. And soon, you'd find out about "hacking." Hacking local systems to use TELENET (not telnet), hacking local business PBX systems to get an outside line, which were usually 3-digit "passwords" in those days, or using "codes" to dial out using Sprint, MCI, or TMC (My article for Phrack was on TMC hacking.)
Was it illegal? Yes. It was also amazingly simple. At that time, you would dial a local access number, enter a code (sometimes only 4 digits), enter a # to call, and it would go through. You could use a phone code for a month or more usually, until the customer got the bill and complained. I guess phone co. insurance picked up the tab. I never really cared.
Pretty much my entire interest in and knowledge of computing and networking came from these early "hacking" experiences. I don't regret them. And I'm the most honest person you could hope to meet. Had there been an "internet" or ANY way to communicate with other computer folks, I would have used it. I pride myself on my honesty and don't steal, rob, rape, pillage or murder. I just like to learn new stuff.
And, at that time, that was how it was done. Mitnick came from that era, and I think he was screwed unforgivably. I'm now a partner in a company that does some security work. Would I hire him? Absolutely, I know just where he's from.
I don't think it would stand up to on-stage use. The bending of the cable (and stepping on it, etc..) would likely break some wires. And if they are meaning to use regular plastic RJ-45 connectors, I just don't see it. A big metal 1/4" plug is much more sturdy. I can just imagine RJ-45's getting yanked out and broken right and left. And according to the article, this does seem to be their plan, as it mentions using cable bought from computer stores. I'm not sure that this aspect of it has been completely thought through...
I own a fair amount of stock in Marvel (MVL) and it has made me a good deal of money, with likely lots more to come. Many more films are in the works, including Daredevil, Iron Man, The Hulk, X-Men II, Spider-Man II, etc... I recommend anyone into investing to take a look at it. Also, it has one of the most lively and interesting Yahoo! Message Boards of any stock that I know of.
Yeah, this is a shameless plug, but the stock really has had a great run, and I believe it has the potential to go much, much higher!! Do you own due diligence, etc...
After I read about AOLiza (an AIM ELIZA bot) I found another bot someone had wriiten, TBOMB. It is a fairly simple algorithm, mostly spiiting back the last word the person typed and some random phrases. But it seems to fool TONS of people. You can read all of the "chat" sessions on the website. Some of them are hilarious!!
No, I'm NOT arguing that. Don't put words in my mouth! I'm arguing that the law should be GENERAL, i.e. "don't steal other people's things" not specific. A technical solution can SOLVE this problem, unlike your very poor lojack example. Lojack doesn't prevent car theft, it just lets you find it once it's been stolen.
This problem can be completely and easily resolved by technical means. The law really should stay out of complex tech. issues, technology changes too fast. Laws should be general.
I mean really, just set up your server using referrer so that if someone inlines an image from your site, you substitute, oh say that awful goatsex picture. They would stop damn fast, I gar-on-tee!!
You know, if you play the Devil's advocate here, these sites could actually be used by less-than honest people as templates to set up sites that really DO plan to rip people off. Just find one of the more convincing SEC fake sites, change it around a bit, and start raking in the dough from the sheeple... I just KNOW that someone, somewhere is working on one of these right now.
Phillips is merely protecting their intellectual property (ie the CD standard) RIAA member companies were unlawfully violating their licenses of CD-DA technology by labeling non-compliant discs with the Compact Disc logo.
You know, I keep seeing this arugument over and over, but as far as I know, NONE of the "copy-protected" CD's DO display the logo. I know for certain that the "Fast & Furious" and "Charley Pride" CD's do not. And I have never heard anyone confirm that they have ever seen one that actually does. Not that I am supporting them, but they do at least seem to know that they are violating the standard, and aren't trying to pretend otherwise.
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What do you do if you find four $100 bills lying on the sidewalk?
Good point. But I was trying to be brief and not write a dissertation.
What I mean is that what many people find "fun" can shorten your life. Whether it's bungee-jumping, car racing, skydiving, playing video games!, watching the telly from the couch, etc., ad infinitum all have certain risks.
I'd imagine that bungee-jumping is FAR riskier than playing video games. If that bungee breaks, it's all over. Some people like to play video games. Some people like to bungee-jump. It's all a personal matter, and a matter of an individual personally managing risk. The government has no business in deciding here.
A long life spent having no fun is no life at all.
"I get so confused what does the collective want me to think..."
The collective wants you to think for yourself. That's how and why it works.
Um, that is moronic. How can the RIAA search your bank safety deposit box? Can they? That is scary.
How much does a hard drive cost? How much does an RIAA lawsuit cost? It's easy to buy a $100 drive and make a copy on your own.
Make 10 copies. Put the hard drive in an ammo case and bury it in the woods. Give a copy to a friend. Copy it to a laptop hard drive and carry it in your pocket. Burn it onto DVDs and hang them on your Christmas tree. It's just data, zeroes and ones. Anyone who uses a computer should be able to copy the data. Use "dd" under Linux, use Norton Ghost under Windows. It's easy. It's logic. Make a backup, keep it somewhere safe. Give it to your Grandma to keep under her bed.
Then fall over and drop the one they want. BAM as it hits the floor. OOPS, so sorry mister RIAA man.
This whole hard drive as evidence argument is meaningless. Hard drives fail. Some fail often. It is easy to MAKE them fail. Dropping them is one way. Normal failure is no different than forced failure.
Sure, here's my hard drive (trips over chair leg)...
WHAP! (Noise made as hard drive is dropped and violently falls onto floor)
Of course you would want to make your OWN image of the drive beforehand, and store it somewhere safe, like a safety deposit box at your bank or somewhere....
They want to turn it into a toaster, an "appliance." They want control over what you can and cannot do, and they are slowly gaining it too, from region codes (RPC II) in DVD drives, encryption (in EVERYTHING) like HD DVD and BluRay, HDCP, HDMI, etc... "trusted computing." All of this stuff is creeping into hardware daily, and it's getting to where you can't buy computer hardware WITHOUT this shit.
Of course, this is all necessary so you can "enjoy" all of the great "premium content." This is not normal 'content' mind you, this is Gee-Whiz Shazzamo "PREMIUM" awesome content that just requires all of this new DRM-out-the-wazoo hardware.
And here I thought it was the same crap they have been peddling for years in slightly higher resolution... Guess what, my computer can ALREADY play 1920x1080 AVI's perfectly fine (Elephant's Dream). And I don't have any of that DRM crap on MY system...
And I will tell you why. I actually like the NT kernel and architecture. I think it is well designed, and works great when built upon properly. I think Windows 2000 is the probably the best consumer OS ever made, even though Microsoft pointed it at business users. It's what I run, and likely will not switch from, except for (maybe) running XP in a VM to run some games.
But even with 2000, MS had to insert their boneheaded ideas in it. For example, with "Windows File Protection," which is really the sfc.exe ("System FIle Checker") and sfcfiles.dll (The actual list of files to be protected, stuck in a DLL) it gives an Admin NO WAY to add to or change which files are protected. And it includes things like PINBALL.EXE!!! in the list of protected, undeletable system files. And creates stupid things like "C:\Program Files\microsoft frontpage" when I DO NOT even have Frontpage or IIS installed. And unless you disable SFC (which I did) it will re-create the stupid directory on every re-boot. So what COULD HAVE BEEN a useful feature is more like a "let MS Admin your computer for you" feature, because there is no way for the owner of the computer to manage which files are protected under "Windows File Protection." And guess what, on COMPUTERS I OWN, **I** like to control what directories are created and where they are placed. It's MY computer!!!
Now I have read, from a recent article by Mary Jo Foley, ZDNET, that some of the new security in Vista will come from "Code protection technologies such as tamper resistance, code obfuscation, and anti-reverse engineering measures..." THIS IS NOT SECURITY. This is HIDING YOUR BUGS. Instead of actually fixing the bugs, or not having them to begin with, they are actively trying to just make them harder to find. But they are still IN THERE!! This is just simply boneheaded. This is not the way to develop an OS.
With this new WGA crap, they are trying to FORCE users to install (and keep installed) components that NO ONE WANTS (except MS, of course). But guess what, any decent computer Admin **MUST** have the ability to accept or deny ANY update to the OS and have the ability to rollback changes if they cause problems. Just Google for wgatray.exe for many fine examples of the horrible problems their crap is causing.
With Win 2000 at least, MS created a good OS, once you fix the initial problems. But for me at least, there is NO WAY I will "upgrade" to this Vista shit with requiring signed drivers (what about independent hardware hackers/developers?) or XP with "Activation" (what, I can't swap out my motherboard without CALLING and RE-ACTIVATING?) They have just gone too far with this DRM and Anti-Piracy shit. NOT IN MY OPERATING SYSTEM.
I need to move to Linux. Kubuntu is looking really good now. If I can just get the couple of games I like working under WINE or Cedega, then F*** MS. It's just too much. I've had enough.
Crax
P.S. The Mary Jo Foley article I quoted from is located at:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?cat=18
Yes, this company (at eink.com) has a fairly amazing new product. I would love to invest in them, but they are a privately held company.
It works like a sort of like a high-tech 'etch-a-sketch,' magnetic charged particles stick to the screen in either black or white (negative or positive charge) and STAY there until the image changes. So power is needed only for the image changes. This clock is the first example I have seen here on Slashdot, but Boing Boing recently showed an e-Book reader using this same tech. Sony branded, I believe.
In my opinion, the e-Book use is the IDEAL use for this. I have never seen it in action, but from all reports, it looks and 'acts' like paper, easily readable, just black text on a white page. The sony device looked very interesting.
Here, I found a bunch of pictures. Japan only so far, but what new tech isn't...
GALLERY OF E-BOOK PICTURES
For someone to start a company building and selling MythTV boxes. Put a large hard drive in it, DVD burner, etc... Ideally it would be region free, HDTV capable, PVR features, able to play DVD/CD/MP3/VCD/SVCD/JPG/etc... You could rip DVDs and CDs, store your music library, use as a WebTV, and so on. It would replace your CD player, your VCR, your DVD player, your Stereo (with a radio card). It would be the one-for-all media box.
If someone started selling these pre-made and ready to go, I'll be the first to buy. Of course, I could probably build one, but I KNOW the market is there to buy them if somebody steps up to the plate.
This event is co-sponsored by Bellevue??
(Say) I own a restaurant. I've been in restaurant business for 28 years, but just recently this young man approached me about a "web-site" thing. I don't know diddly-squat about computers and such, but it's cheap. I pay him $500 and sets up a web-site for me. All is wonderful...
Later, I get notice that my web-site thing is "wrong" but I can no longer reach the guy that made it? What do I do??????
[I in fact know people who have web sites set up for their business by short-lived companies. The web sites often live on, longer than their creators. The "owners" who paid to have them created may not know HOW to change them.]
I bought a 17" Powerbook. While I'm fairly happy with it, they are a bit hacker-unfriendly in some respects.
The UJ-825 "SuperDrive" in mine is RPC-2 with a vengeance, for example. It won't even read the raw data from an out-of-region DVD, making even VNC useless, and it doesn't look like any firmware hacks will be forthcoming.
Also, because Broadcom will not release specs on the Airport Extreme, no "monitor mode" is available, so passive wardriving is impossible without using a 3rd-party wireless card.
Maybe someone smarter than me will eventually reverse engineer and fix these problems, but it's not looking too good so far. IMO, Apple needs to get back to it's hacker-friendly roots.
no one noticed, since it was so far down the page...
From an MSNBC article [msnbc.com]:
Future versions of the SunnComm software would include ways that the copy-protecting files would change their name on different computers, making them harder to find, Jacobs said. Moreover, the company will distribute the technology along with third-party software, so that it doesn't always come off a protected CD, he added.
So, they intend to get their DLL onto your system by having it installed by other unrelated programs... Sneaky.
From an MSNBC article:
Future versions of the SunnComm software would include ways that the copy-protecting files would change their name on different computers, making them harder to find, Jacobs said. Moreover, the company will distribute the technology along with third-party software, so that it doesn't always come off a protected CD, he added.
So, they intend to get their DLL onto your system by having it installed by other unrelated programs... Sneaky.
Once upon a time, I was a hacker. I've always been into computers, since I first encountered a TRS-80 in 1977. I'm 36 now. I'm still using my original handle from those days, and wrote an article for Phrack in '85. I actually was one of the people who helped talk Craig (Neidorf, "Knight Lightning") into starting it as an online magazine. I've always believed in freedom of information.
In those early days, there were LOTS of us (young people) who were into computers and were fascinated by them. But there was no internet, and those of us in small towns (like myself) had NO means to communicate with others with the same interests, other than BBS system using a 300 baud modem, or 1200 baud if you could possibly afford it.
So, at that time, if you wanted to learn and communicate, one of the first things you would do would be to call BBS's all over the US. But phone charges were high!! And the parents didn't like that!! So -- you would ask around. And soon, you'd find out about "hacking." Hacking local systems to use TELENET (not telnet), hacking local business PBX systems to get an outside line, which were usually 3-digit "passwords" in those days, or using "codes" to dial out using Sprint, MCI, or TMC (My article for Phrack was on TMC hacking.)
Was it illegal? Yes. It was also amazingly simple. At that time, you would dial a local access number, enter a code (sometimes only 4 digits), enter a # to call, and it would go through. You could use a phone code for a month or more usually, until the customer got the bill and complained. I guess phone co. insurance picked up the tab. I never really cared.
Pretty much my entire interest in and knowledge of computing and networking came from these early "hacking" experiences. I don't regret them. And I'm the most honest person you could hope to meet. Had there been an "internet" or ANY way to communicate with other computer folks, I would have used it. I pride myself on my honesty and don't steal, rob, rape, pillage or murder. I just like to learn new stuff.
And, at that time, that was how it was done. Mitnick came from that era, and I think he was screwed unforgivably. I'm now a partner in a company that does some security work. Would I hire him? Absolutely, I know just where he's from.
I don't think it would stand up to on-stage use. The bending of the cable (and stepping on it, etc..) would likely break some wires. And if they are meaning to use regular plastic RJ-45 connectors, I just don't see it. A big metal 1/4" plug is much more sturdy. I can just imagine RJ-45's getting yanked out and broken right and left. And according to the article, this does seem to be their plan, as it mentions using cable bought from computer stores. I'm not sure that this aspect of it has been completely thought through...
Not true. 2600 STILL has the page up, with the URL's intact, just not linked. See here:
http://www.2600.com/news/1227-help.html
I own a fair amount of stock in Marvel (MVL) and it has made me a good deal of money, with likely lots more to come. Many more films are in the works, including Daredevil, Iron Man, The Hulk, X-Men II, Spider-Man II, etc... I recommend anyone into investing to take a look at it. Also, it has one of the most lively and interesting Yahoo! Message Boards of any stock that I know of.
Yeah, this is a shameless plug, but the stock really has had a great run, and I believe it has the potential to go much, much higher!! Do you own due diligence, etc...
After I read about AOLiza (an AIM ELIZA bot) I found another bot someone had wriiten, TBOMB. It is a fairly simple algorithm, mostly spiiting back the last word the person typed and some random phrases. But it seems to fool TONS of people. You can read all of the "chat" sessions on the website. Some of them are hilarious!!
No, I'm NOT arguing that. Don't put words in my mouth! I'm arguing that the law should be GENERAL, i.e. "don't steal other people's things" not specific. A technical solution can SOLVE this problem, unlike your very poor lojack example. Lojack doesn't prevent car theft, it just lets you find it once it's been stolen.
.sig is especially for stupid people like you.
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Hey, I'm being serious!!
This problem can be completely and easily resolved by technical means. The law really should stay out of complex tech. issues, technology changes too fast. Laws should be general.
I mean really, just set up your server using referrer so that if someone inlines an image from your site, you substitute, oh say that awful goatsex picture. They would stop damn fast, I gar-on-tee!!
You know, if you play the Devil's advocate here, these sites could actually be used by less-than honest people as templates to set up sites that really DO plan to rip people off. Just find one of the more convincing SEC fake sites, change it around a bit, and start raking in the dough from the sheeple... I just KNOW that someone, somewhere is working on one of these right now.
Phillips is merely protecting their intellectual property (ie the CD standard) RIAA member companies were unlawfully violating their licenses of CD-DA technology by labeling non-compliant discs with the Compact Disc logo.
You know, I keep seeing this arugument over and over, but as far as I know, NONE of the "copy-protected" CD's DO display the logo. I know for certain that the "Fast & Furious" and "Charley Pride" CD's do not. And I have never heard anyone confirm that they have ever seen one that actually does. Not that I am supporting them, but they do at least seem to know that they are violating the standard, and aren't trying to pretend otherwise.