Securing cost us, uh, a couple grand for a scanner-plug-in for Exchange several years ago, but that cost is amortized over the life of the box (or per virus, whatever).
Actual cost for this instance was, hmmm... me finding out that it was coming at around 4:15pm, seeing if our AV vendor's sig file had been updated yet (it wasn't), and throwing a quarantine on anything with an attached.zip file. 15 minutes, so far. Then later, from home, re-check the vendor to confirm they've updated (they had). Dial in, force an early update, force a scan of the quarrantined junk, then disable the quarrantine. 40 minutes.
I wish I made $50,000 per hour...
You could probably add about two more hours to that time, I guess, which was me making "courtesy calls" to various companies that were sending this crap to us, to notify their clueless "admin" people that someone in their subnet has it. My favorite so far...
"You got a router in your office?" "Errr... yeah, why?" "Unplug it." "(laugh)Why would I do that?" "Well, you know that virus? Someone in your subnet has it, and you're spamming everyone with it." "Oh, I doubt anyone in this office has it..." "Uh huh. The mail is originating from xx.xx.xx.xx." "Well, that's ours, but... uh..." "Well, I'd suggest you get right on it, since now that I've told you, you've lost the 'I didn't know' defense when someone decides to sue the pants off of you." "Uh, ok, uh..."
And magically, their subnet falls off the planet three minutes later.
Are you that big of a bonehead? Are you so freakin new that you don't comprehend that pr0n has pretty much driven the cutting edge of this internet-thing since, uh, about 1 hour after we discovered it could send dirty pictures? Pretty much any damned 'net technology from the '90s was the result of finding new and better ways to get porn, since, until about 5 years ago, porn was about the only thing you could *get* on the internet that wasn't "work related". (And I'll qualify that - IRC, Usenet, etc, was often used for 'hobbies' - but they were geek hobbies. By and large, the bulk of data available on the net was of no interest to the general populace. There was no AltaVista, Yahoo, or Google, and there was nothing "popular" for them to index if they did exist. Except porn, or.EDU stuff.)
The truth about the DEBUG info... the problem was caused by the orbiter being wide-open to relay anything sent to it. Luckily, I've got a dish array in my back yard, and was able to sniff some of that big burst of data they'd received...
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No, it's actually on an uncharted isle. And if you look at the one shot, off to the left, you'll see the Professor, Skipper, Ginger...
THAT is what happened to Beagle2... they DID get the cameras working, but only long enough to see a bunch of "Chicken People" running around. And some strange, alien audio... sounded like "Damn you, Gilligan!"
Mmmm... more like we're in this computer simulation that isn't real kinda thing. And, the simulation... is running in a bigger sim. And so on. Hey, that'd make a great movie plot!
Eventually, though, it does need to lead to a simulation of a giant's toenail... namely, someone trying to model a cure for toenail fungus.
Why bother with High Def radio IN A CAR? The ambient noise level is louder than any difference in quality this'll make. Turn on your air conditioning or open a window (or sunroof) because it's summer, or crank up the defroster because it's winter... yeah, "HiFi", lol... never mind road noise.
It's no longer supported, however. I expect that when it turns five years old, it'll be in the garbage, meaning I get to spend the entirety of my initial hardware and the bulk of my software costs, ALL OVER AGAIN.
How about a TCO study of five years and one month?
It would appear that you have absolutely zero experience in local politics, nor what they would do if they could get their hands on such information.
And forget anything dealing with state, or above... just imagine what the "known to associate with" spins would look like once a few GPS coordinates are correlated. Think the commie witch hunt of the 50s was philosophically gross? It's nothing compared to what we could do with a system like this, today. And God Help You(tm) if you discovered, say, an intentional flaw & abuse of some new nationwide electronic voting system.
Secondly, you illustrate the other basic lie regarding this concept... it'll do *nothing* to stem any intentionally illegal behaviors of "real" criminals, it'll only be used against the average public who only manages to break, on average, about 3 or 4 laws per day (speeding, not completely stopping at a stop sign, failing to signal a lane change, tailgating). All it eventually equates to is another tax on the middle classes (through fines), and more money for the insurance lobby. No benefit to the public, only more behavioral micromanagement by an invisible watcher. A watcher, by the way, with no accountability.
Actually, Einstein was a victim of Group Think as well... he could easily serve to demonstrate the concept. Here he helped build this beautiful model of the universe, and his model demanded that it not be static. He then spent how much time? trying to kludge up a solution that'd fit the common beliefs of a static system.
First, was a PET... but I was only 8, I think. It was actually my neighbors, but we fiddled with it enough for my old man to see how curious I was about it.
Next, we got an Apple ][. I wrote some stuff for account keeping on it. Loaded it up with Magic Window, when it was finally non-vapor, and it went to the office.
It was replaced by a ][+. Then we got an MX80, and later splurged and got / built a BAM16 card. Saved more cash and got a 2nd drive, built some paddles and later built a joystick, and later an 80 column card, and got a Smartmodem 300. Visicalc was later invented, too, so that went on it.
Then we got a Microsoft SoftCard for it, which was basically a Z80 running CPM. Added a 5 meg Sider, then another, then DBase II and a C compiler. Then scored a CrackShot card. After 3/4s of a year and writing what was needed in C / DBase, much of it went to the office.
It was replaced by another ][+, 64k, a pair of 10meg siders and another MS Softcard. Then I ditched the smartmodem for an AppleCat, and did a decent job of not getting caught.
Fun days, those were... Oh, the endless waiting for the next release by Beagle Bros. Oh, the ever famous Naked City...
Not easily, not by a longshot... the reason being simple containment.
Part 1 - As it sits, we have districts. Contest one single vote in a district, the impact of that vote is contained to that district... and if the electoral vote caused by that district is irrelevent to the outcome, then even the contesting of every single vote in that district is irrelevent.
Get rid of that, and one single vote can hold the election hostage, since the impact of that vote is no longer contained... the Trainwreck of Retards in Florida will become a nationwide event, every election.
Part 2 - As it sits, one vote doesn't have much impact. This is both good and bad; if your district is "won" by someone you didn't vote for, then your vote is wasted. On the other hand, it's a good thing as well - dissolve the college, and you can pretty much eliminate all national voting... just install a single voting booth in NYC, Chicago, and on the California coast, and let them decide the election... because without a college, that's exactly what would happen. The same "college" that makes a less popular vote go away also *caps the impact* of a highly saturated area, an area that has no concept of anyplace else. Tell me that a NYC Hillary voter has a single clue about life in the midwest, for example... but then explain to me how the entire midwest, combined, would have a prayer of competing with NYC in electoral results. Explain to me how the entire country, combined, would have a prayer of electoral competition with NYC, Chicago, and California's coast.
So, the college can't just go away - not as a kneejerk, and not without considering the impact on the rest of the country. Or, you can get rid of the college... and all but three voting booths, because that's all that'd matter without it.
So, after reading all I can about it, it appears...
Hardware vendors put together a system by which, and by intent, you can write a "single packet". "With this hammer, you can pound in nails!"
Software vendor uses the hardware exactly as it was intended, and calls it a "patentable discovery". "Hey! I can pound in nails with this thing!"
USPTO then issues patent to a 3rd party for using something exactly the way it was intended to be used. "Usage of a nail-hammering device for the purpose of hammering nails".
I'm gonna go get a patent for hitting morons with a bat.
> So an effect that I presonally predicted several years ago > is happening - that effect is that old copies of microsoft software > are competing directly with newer versions.
Yep... primarily because they don't actually offer anything new that's of value.
The value added by ME over 98SE, 98, and 95? None, really, except for spurious incompatibilities with the prior versions ("Setup requires Win98 or newer"... yet if you manually unpack the cabs and install by hand, it'll often work as expected.)
Value added by 2k over NT? Active Directory, if you call that value. Oh, and COM+. Real value there. XP over 2k? None, aside from spurious incompatibilities. AS2003 over 2kS? Hmm... yep, "now, THAT's VALUE!"
Ah, but.NET you say! Now, that IS value!.NET doesn't do anything I haven't already got, things and techniques I've had since the mid 90s. Even earlier, in most cases. Making it so a VB weenie can do it doesn't make it a feature.
So, unless we consider "upgrading for the sake of a single.DLL" to be a cause for growth, I'd say you're dead nuts on.
I have a house. The dirt that surrounds that house works quite well. It's good dirt, and grows stuff I want, quite nicely. But, it's old dirt. In fact, it's as old as the planet. Should I upgrade it? Will new dirt somehow "add value" to my dirt-needs, even though my existing dirt fills those needs (and is more than I need) already?
I have a hammer in my basement. It's a nice one, pounds nails quite nicely. Perfect balance, excellent weight, comfortable to use. It's also about... 80 years old. A new hammer will somehow "add value" to what I need it to do?
I have NT all over my shop. We have these machines in our shop because of some specialized software that we need, and the software works quite nicely. The stuff in the racks all run NT, the majority of desktops all run NT. Upgrading will somehow "add value" to what I need them to do?
Not hardly. The biggest problem with NT is that 70% of the crap it comes with is completely irrelevent to what we need. Worse, this 70% is where all of the exploits lie... so I can't just ignore it, instead I'm forced to maintain this "baggage".
AS2003 is even worse. Internet Connection Wizard? Where's the option for being a quad-homed box with multiple DS3 lines? Ooo! MSN! On a rack mounted box! And LookOut Express! Irrelevent, and unwanted. Let's see... we're now up to an OS footprint of over an entire gig. And, I'm gonna actually need to use... uh, 20 megs of it to pound these nails in. And the nails end up pounded in exactly the same as NT does it. Yep, that's value...
Don't confuse an OS with an Application. If "everything that comes with the OS" is all you need... you probably don't actually need a computer. On the other hand, if you need to drop a few million for a real application to run on that OS, then you'll quickly discover how f*cking irrelevent that specific OS is.
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Not true... we got off the gold standard many years ago. Since then, "money" is created every day. It's called "Growth" and "Creation of Wealth".
I pay you a dollar for an item. That item is worth a dollar.
I do something to that item. The item is now worth two dollars as a result, and I sell it for that two dollars.
I just created an extra dollar out of thin air.
It also does a dictionary mailing for who it sends to, btw... my logs are full of names that resulted in an NDR, because they've never existed.
Yeah, I was wondering that, myself.
.zip file. 15 minutes, so far. Then later, from home, re-check the vendor to confirm they've updated (they had). Dial in, force an early update, force a scan of the quarrantined junk, then disable the quarrantine. 40 minutes.
Securing cost us, uh, a couple grand for a scanner-plug-in for Exchange several years ago, but that cost is amortized over the life of the box (or per virus, whatever).
Actual cost for this instance was, hmmm... me finding out that it was coming at around 4:15pm, seeing if our AV vendor's sig file had been updated yet (it wasn't), and throwing a quarantine on anything with an attached
I wish I made $50,000 per hour...
You could probably add about two more hours to that time, I guess, which was me making "courtesy calls" to various companies that were sending this crap to us, to notify their clueless "admin" people that someone in their subnet has it. My favorite so far...
"You got a router in your office?"
"Errr... yeah, why?"
"Unplug it."
"(laugh)Why would I do that?"
"Well, you know that virus? Someone in your subnet has it, and you're spamming everyone with it."
"Oh, I doubt anyone in this office has it..."
"Uh huh. The mail is originating from xx.xx.xx.xx."
"Well, that's ours, but... uh..."
"Well, I'd suggest you get right on it, since now that I've told you, you've lost the 'I didn't know' defense when someone decides to sue the pants off of you."
"Uh, ok, uh..."
And magically, their subnet falls off the planet three minutes later.
Are you that big of a bonehead? Are you so freakin new that you don't comprehend that pr0n has pretty much driven the cutting edge of this internet-thing since, uh, about 1 hour after we discovered it could send dirty pictures? Pretty much any damned 'net technology from the '90s was the result of finding new and better ways to get porn, since, until about 5 years ago, porn was about the only thing you could *get* on the internet that wasn't "work related". (And I'll qualify that - IRC, Usenet, etc, was often used for 'hobbies' - but they were geek hobbies. By and large, the bulk of data available on the net was of no interest to the general populace. There was no AltaVista, Yahoo, or Google, and there was nothing "popular" for them to index if they did exist. Except porn, or .EDU stuff.)
Oh, such self serving, short sighted arrogance.
The truth about the DEBUG info... the problem was caused by the orbiter being wide-open to relay anything sent to it. Luckily, I've got a dish array in my back yard, and was able to sniff some of that big burst of data they'd received...
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... the Windows version requires a reboot of the user.
I wanna know if they had to reboot after applying this patch...
No, it's actually on an uncharted isle. And if you look at the one shot, off to the left, you'll see the Professor, Skipper, Ginger...
THAT is what happened to Beagle2... they DID get the cameras working, but only long enough to see a bunch of "Chicken People" running around. And some strange, alien audio... sounded like "Damn you, Gilligan!"
Then, all went to static.
Mmmm... more like we're in this computer simulation that isn't real kinda thing. And, the simulation... is running in a bigger sim. And so on. Hey, that'd make a great movie plot!
Eventually, though, it does need to lead to a simulation of a giant's toenail... namely, someone trying to model a cure for toenail fungus.
And suddenly, Keano makes complete sense...
Actually, it's even more basic than that.
Why bother with High Def radio IN A CAR? The ambient noise level is louder than any difference in quality this'll make. Turn on your air conditioning or open a window (or sunroof) because it's summer, or crank up the defroster because it's winter... yeah, "HiFi", lol... never mind road noise.
My car's been equipped with COLOR radio for several years, now.
Five year study? Of Win2k?
Here's a clue...
My NT install is almost 5 years old.
It's no longer supported, however. I expect that when it turns five years old, it'll be in the garbage, meaning I get to spend the entirety of my initial hardware and the bulk of my software costs, ALL OVER AGAIN.
How about a TCO study of five years and one month?
Pricks.
Quite the contrary...
Dear Daryl:
Upon review of our systems, we have discovered over SEVEN BILLION LINES OF OFFENDING CODE. Please instruct us on how to proceed.
(then when if finally comes down to it, give 'em the old "Oops, my bad!" and point 'em to a copy of Windows).
It would appear that you have absolutely zero experience in local politics, nor what they would do if they could get their hands on such information.
And forget anything dealing with state, or above... just imagine what the "known to associate with" spins would look like once a few GPS coordinates are correlated. Think the commie witch hunt of the 50s was philosophically gross? It's nothing compared to what we could do with a system like this, today. And God Help You(tm) if you discovered, say, an intentional flaw & abuse of some new nationwide electronic voting system.
Secondly, you illustrate the other basic lie regarding this concept... it'll do *nothing* to stem any intentionally illegal behaviors of "real" criminals, it'll only be used against the average public who only manages to break, on average, about 3 or 4 laws per day (speeding, not completely stopping at a stop sign, failing to signal a lane change, tailgating). All it eventually equates to is another tax on the middle classes (through fines), and more money for the insurance lobby. No benefit to the public, only more behavioral micromanagement by an invisible watcher. A watcher, by the way, with no accountability.
Actually, Einstein was a victim of Group Think as well... he could easily serve to demonstrate the concept. Here he helped build this beautiful model of the universe, and his model demanded that it not be static. He then spent how much time? trying to kludge up a solution that'd fit the common beliefs of a static system.
First, was a PET... but I was only 8, I think. It was actually my neighbors, but we fiddled with it enough for my old man to see how curious I was about it.
Next, we got an Apple ][. I wrote some stuff for account keeping on it. Loaded it up with Magic Window, when it was finally non-vapor, and it went to the office.
It was replaced by a ][+. Then we got an MX80, and later splurged and got / built a BAM16 card. Saved more cash and got a 2nd drive, built some paddles and later built a joystick, and later an 80 column card, and got a Smartmodem 300. Visicalc was later invented, too, so that went on it.
Then we got a Microsoft SoftCard for it, which was basically a Z80 running CPM. Added a 5 meg Sider, then another, then DBase II and a C compiler. Then scored a CrackShot card. After 3/4s of a year and writing what was needed in C / DBase, much of it went to the office.
It was replaced by another ][+, 64k, a pair of 10meg siders and another MS Softcard. Then I ditched the smartmodem for an AppleCat, and did a decent job of not getting caught.
Fun days, those were... Oh, the endless waiting for the next release by Beagle Bros. Oh, the ever famous Naked City...
Not easily, not by a longshot... the reason being simple containment.
Part 1 - As it sits, we have districts.
Contest one single vote in a district, the impact of that vote is contained to that district... and if the electoral vote caused by that district is irrelevent to the outcome, then even the contesting of every single vote in that district is irrelevent.
Get rid of that, and one single vote can hold the election hostage, since the impact of that vote is no longer contained... the Trainwreck of Retards in Florida will become a nationwide event, every election.
Part 2 - As it sits, one vote doesn't have much impact. This is both good and bad; if your district is "won" by someone you didn't vote for, then your vote is wasted. On the other hand, it's a good thing as well - dissolve the college, and you can pretty much eliminate all national voting... just install a single voting booth in NYC, Chicago, and on the California coast, and let them decide the election... because without a college, that's exactly what would happen. The same "college" that makes a less popular vote go away also *caps the impact* of a highly saturated area, an area that has no concept of anyplace else. Tell me that a NYC Hillary voter has a single clue about life in the midwest, for example... but then explain to me how the entire midwest, combined, would have a prayer of competing with NYC in electoral results. Explain to me how the entire country, combined, would have a prayer of electoral competition with NYC, Chicago, and California's coast.
So, the college can't just go away - not as a kneejerk, and not without considering the impact on the rest of the country. Or, you can get rid of the college... and all but three voting booths, because that's all that'd matter without it.
So, after reading all I can about it, it appears...
Hardware vendors put together a system by which, and by intent, you can write a "single packet". "With this hammer, you can pound in nails!"
Software vendor uses the hardware exactly as it was intended, and calls it a "patentable discovery". "Hey! I can pound in nails with this thing!"
USPTO then issues patent to a 3rd party for using something exactly the way it was intended to be used. "Usage of a nail-hammering device for the purpose of hammering nails".
I'm gonna go get a patent for hitting morons with a bat.
... driving is soon going to be much more hazardous with the advent of new, "Pop-up Billboards".
> Bad analagy. I upgrade my dirt twice a year, spring and fall.
Upgrade? Or servicepack?
> Beleive it or not, I've bought XP's foot print down to a nice low 258MB. Its RAM foot print is 31MB.
:)
You're my new god
[My reply wasn't so much about you putting XP on that old beast... it was in reply to the "So you're saying" remark at the top of it.]
- SBB
> So an effect that I presonally predicted several years ago
.NET you say! Now, that IS value! .NET doesn't do anything I haven't already got, things and techniques I've had since the mid 90s. Even earlier, in most cases. Making it so a VB weenie can do it doesn't make it a feature.
.DLL" to be a cause for growth, I'd say you're dead nuts on.
> is happening - that effect is that old copies of microsoft software
> are competing directly with newer versions.
Yep... primarily because they don't actually offer anything new that's of value.
The value added by ME over 98SE, 98, and 95?
None, really, except for spurious incompatibilities with the prior versions ("Setup requires Win98 or newer"... yet if you manually unpack the cabs and install by hand, it'll often work as expected.)
Value added by 2k over NT? Active Directory, if you call that value. Oh, and COM+. Real value there.
XP over 2k? None, aside from spurious incompatibilities.
AS2003 over 2kS? Hmm... yep, "now, THAT's VALUE!"
Ah, but
So, unless we consider "upgrading for the sake of a single
It's more scarey that you suggest an upgrade might somehow add value to that work world.
Is Notepad really that much better under WinXP?
No, he's saying it's stupid.
I have a house. The dirt that surrounds that house works quite well. It's good dirt, and grows stuff I want, quite nicely. But, it's old dirt. In fact, it's as old as the planet. Should I upgrade it? Will new dirt somehow "add value" to my dirt-needs, even though my existing dirt fills those needs (and is more than I need) already?
I have a hammer in my basement. It's a nice one, pounds nails quite nicely. Perfect balance, excellent weight, comfortable to use. It's also about... 80 years old. A new hammer will somehow "add value" to what I need it to do?
I have NT all over my shop. We have these machines in our shop because of some specialized software that we need, and the software works quite nicely. The stuff in the racks all run NT, the majority of desktops all run NT. Upgrading will somehow "add value" to what I need them to do?
Not hardly. The biggest problem with NT is that 70% of the crap it comes with is completely irrelevent to what we need. Worse, this 70% is where all of the exploits lie... so I can't just ignore it, instead I'm forced to maintain this "baggage".
AS2003 is even worse. Internet Connection Wizard? Where's the option for being a quad-homed box with multiple DS3 lines? Ooo! MSN! On a rack mounted box! And LookOut Express! Irrelevent, and unwanted. Let's see... we're now up to an OS footprint of over an entire gig. And, I'm gonna actually need to use... uh, 20 megs of it to pound these nails in. And the nails end up pounded in exactly the same as NT does it. Yep, that's value...
Don't confuse an OS with an Application. If "everything that comes with the OS" is all you need... you probably don't actually need a computer. On the other hand, if you need to drop a few million for a real application to run on that OS, then you'll quickly discover how f*cking irrelevent that specific OS is.