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Matrix-Style Brain Interface Closer To Reality
atkulp writes "According to this Wired article, a private company, Cyberkinetics is seeking permission from the FDA to test a product called BrainGate that implants in the brain and can control actions on a computer. So far it works for monkeys and they'd like to see it as viable for quadriplegics and others in need. How soon until anyone can become the ultimate expansion card? Sign me up!"
I can get a remote-controlled monkey?!
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.. will I be able to run Linux?
This would enable handicap people to control machines, not vice-versa. It would be killer for fighter pilots though...
...for processing the data from the microelectrode arrays.
Yes, the above link goes to another web site called "bionictech.com", but the two companies merged in 2002.
The Army reading list
"I think I brained my damage"... "And the scientists gave me this spiffy nerd outfit!!"
So far it works for monkeys...
Can they use it to teach the monkeys to program?
That would make them the ultimate code monkeys!
*ducks*
~ "When I'm of that age I'm just going to live up a tree."
...it's good enough for Keanu.
I can get a army of remote contolled monkeys! Its about damn time, I'll say. The world is mine! Muhahahaha!!
So....imagine a Beowulf cluster of *me*!
[rimshot...]
Before you know it, the new wave will be hiring foreign minds. Just the minds, brains to be exact, floating in tanks. Outsourcing will pale in comparison. Floor space issues will be a thing of the past. A 1500-employee software firm will fit into a small outbuilding.
has anyone told steve yet?
sign me up as well! i have wondered though when they seriously would start implementing computer based implants in our brains. it actually seems quite logical as a "next step" sorta thing. i remember when me and friends used to joke that one day we'd be able to add extra memory (RAM) to our brains. watch this have DRM on it! (lol)
"why don't you just slip into something more comfortable...like a coma!"
Except there is no central controlling computer, humans aren't batteries, there is no destroyed landscape, and geeks aren't getting hot hacker chicks (because the "hot hacker chicks" are, in actuality, people like Fyodor's nemesis.
Get some priorities people! Right now our commander-in-chief, George W Bush, is setting our great nation on a new course in space exploration and you talking about crap like this!
Now when I run around telling eveyrone that the government put a chip in my brain, it won't mean anything!
They better make it pretty secure. It would really suck to have someone hack your brain, especially since backing up your brain is a bit difficult right now.
Crushing dreams at the speed of sarcasm
I'm game as long as it's not controlled by Windows. I can see it now, it's the ultimate experience in VR except for the minor annoyance of crashing and killing the connected users after a few days.
You mean its Rube Goldberg complicated and begins to let you down about half-way into it?
I wonder if this would work backwards? Is this the gateway to using the human brain as a computer? (After all, we only use a portion of it...)
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This really isn't Matrix-like at all, though. The implant doesn't feed information to your brain, it only gets information from it. Still, it's VERY cool if it works and is safe. I like the idea they mention of also putting implants into paralyzed limbs to allow the brain implant to move them. Eat it, paralyzation!
-W
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All unfair meta-mods are now being meta-meta-modded as retarded.
Can i run Seti@home on it?
"what happens if i die in the matrix?"
"the body cannot live without the mind."
jon the "morpheust"
-- http://www.cerastes.org
How soon until anyone can become the ultimate expansion card? Sign me up!"
Damned ISA interface! I was told when it was welded on that it was all I would need. That and 640K!
I don't have a brain!
He is the best sailor who can steer within fewest points of the wind, and exact a motive power out of the greatest obsta
Don't forget ram doubler. I would love to store memories.
So let's see. First, we connect our brains to the computer. Then we create Internet 3, by directly linking our brains. Then a new anti-terrorism bill outlaws firewalls, and our brains will be wide open to each other. Can anybody say "collective consciousness"?
I could make a long comment about it but everyone will just go to the link anyways. here ya go!g ical/ 1-896,25078.asp
http://www.health24.co.za/news/Brain_Neurolo
There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
this is scary, although at least at the moment when you're plugged in you are able to communicate with the machine and the real world, unlike the matrix, where you are either fully in or fully out.
think what would happen if a virus made a leap from our reality to the machine reality; or the other way round...
People who are eager for this sort of thing puzzle me. Maybe I'm a little paranoid, but I'd like to stay as far away from this as possible. I don't say this to be a luddite, but there are definite limits to where I would personally go with technology.
You had me at "dicks fuck assholes".
Then I can have a beowulf cluster of me!
Music is everybody's possession.
It's only publishers who think that people own it.
Fuck Beta
~John Lenno
Has anyone noticed that 90% of the posts for each article are dedicated to someone using the standard "Slashdot Cliches"? .. will I be able to run Linux?
So....imagine a Beowulf cluster of *me*
etc, etc, etc...
My biggest complaint about computing is that my brain->computer interface (hands to keyboard that is) is VERY low bandwidth and VERY high latency. And I know I can't be the only one that has this problem. Anybody that codes knows what I mean, you can visualize and solve the problem in your head much faster than you can get that solution into the computer.
Where's my lobbyist? Right here.
... How can we try to control things with our brain when science doesn't fully understand the brain?
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
How can I think all three at the same time? Ahh ... I see a blue screen on the horizon.
...and the wardrivers rejoice
This is really the first step towards cyborgs, instant control for fighter pilots, enhanced soldier response, etc. When you stop to think about the potential, it's pretty fascinating and a bit scary.
Dude, if you want realistic fighting with the chance of possible brain damage, just join the army.
I'm counting down the days until i can *have* sex!
I want a smart media slot in my head.. Calculus test on friday :>S I hope this tech comes out for real use soon sounds really cool and we are slowly starting to live up to what the movies in the 80's said 2010 would be like!
A think a technology like this used in conjunction with something such as bluetooth could be really cool. Maybe, it could eliminate a need for a keyboard and mouse someday, making computing much more comfortable. Of course, there are the obvious advantages for special needs people. Without the limitations of a keyboard and mouse, productivity might reach a new level. Writing letters and such might become a lot easier for those of us who think faster than they type or write.
Hi there
I, for one, welcome our new cyborg overlords.
Education is the silver bullet.
Meatnurse, the epic geek saga
its a quite cool net story, that takes all our important geek discussions warps them, and then makes fun of them, and i even contributed to chapter
16 !! (sortah!)
www.meatnurse.com
and yeah when wil we end up like the borg with all these implants were about to get?
*resistance is futile, or fuzzy, i dunno*
Although the immediate uses are for para/quadrapalegics and the like this will eventually work into a much better user interface for the average joe. Imagine being able to type by just thinking the words. Much better than speech recognition. Eventually, you will control the computer screen in your contact lense with the implants in your brain. Wireless communication is done silently with a computer synthesising the words you think in your own voice. The productivity these types of devices can eventually create is amazing.
I would like to salute the ashes of american flags, and all the fallen leaves filling up shopping bags.
Come on now, is it really THAT hard to get a woman?
Just take a bath once in a while, really... you *nix types are hopeless.
"Carbon units, take heed: Lengthen your reproductive extension! Wealthen yourself through expediting currency transfer for expired-dictator spouse-counterpart! Observe vixen-type hu-mans frolicking in their dorm-units!"*
Stefan
* Stilted borg language added for comedic effect.
That's all I need. Spam, piped directly into my brain.
I doubt you meet the system requirements ;) you need at least a 386...
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
"Alright, now think of any number between 0 and 18446744073709551615."
OR, if you're using 128-bit encryption:
"...between 0 and 3.4028236692093846346337460743177x10^38"
Crushing dreams at the speed of sarcasm
Arthritis is really hindering my FPS ability!!
The GEEK shall inherit the earth...
You've got yourself an Emmy, well as long as you can get Simon Cowell to host.
Now all we need to do is figure out how to keep the brain cells replicating as quickly as they die. We won't need weak HOO-MAN bodies anymore (except the brain)!
Christopher S. 'coldacid' Charabaruk -- coldacid.net
Nice friend: WTF is that!! An arm growing out of your head!?!
other:
Sssh. I accepted one of Microsofts EULA without reading again so im not alowed to.. Bssshht (painful electrical shock).
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I thought brain damage was a requisite to join the Army...
This was the cover story of the Popular Science that I just received in the mail. You can read the article here.
Do not read this sig.
We want a matrix-style brain interface? Can I also get a crystal for my hand that changes color as I age? Where's my damn moffit?
Now I can download pr0n with BOTH HANDS FREE!
How soon until anyone can become the ultimate expansion card? Sign me up!
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Yet another one for the Social Side-Effects Of Internet Use
One step closer to DNI and one step closer to the day when I can fulfill my dream and actually move to the 'Net and kiss Real Life goodbye. I just hope someboy will come to feed me and change my diapers from time to time ;)
illegal aliens too. let's get gooing on diss won?
turnbulltax.con indicates that the illegal alien version of their 'product' is moving like moleasses, so who needs 'em?
Are the monkeys going to take all the Visual Basic jobs out there?
Are you gay or something?
What sorts of things would people transfer to each other? Thoughts better left unsaid? A new form of pirated music?
Miriam, Abe, what's up? You dudes are on slashdot. Sweet. Donohughe let wired cover him? wtf?
It was bad enough when they outsourced my job to India... now you want them to outsource it to the primate exhibit at the zoo!
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
I would have titled it "Neuromancer style...", ahh the days playing Cyberpunk with paper and pencil have long gone the way of the Dodo... Steve Jackson Games - where for art thou?
meh
...is a whole new way to sound stupid for the new millennium.
a very sharp climb into a stall
They have counseling for that.
*ducks*
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
I think if the implants improved to the level for use in video games they would be banned just like performance enhancing drugs like steroids are in sports.
I would like to salute the ashes of american flags, and all the fallen leaves filling up shopping bags.
Dear Slashdotters:
I don't a brain implant. I have hearing aid implants for all my press conferences and speeches.
Regards,
President G. W. Bush
stay away from me, hee.
Why does technology for purposes of automated control always sound so cute when first released? Then you face the reality of a life filled with biometric monitoring chips and automated traffic light camera police.
For your safety, help take a bite out of true crime. Fight technocracy.
The Custom Mary
Sign me up? Uhh, no thanks... maybe in another decade. The thought of 100 implants makes me go all wobbly. All of that just to have the ultimate TuxRacer controller...?
On a side note: I'd not want to tie this in with a PC for handicapped users. Given how much time and maintenance is required to keep a modern OS running, it would really be a drag to be dependent on today's computers for communication. A dedicated device sounds like a better approach - not something prone to kernel panics or BSODs.
Anybody have any more substantial links to the information contained in the article? I'm curious to understand how they are planning to map the individual motor functions from the brain to the chip.
Maybe I'm remembering too much of "The Terminal Man", but you can't stick this chip into somebody's brain and then expect it to hit a useful nerve bundle that is either surplus/redundant (I guess not a big concern with a quadraplegic) and, because of loss, the "normal" connections to it have not been rerouted/atrophied.
Even with something like an MRI and telling a person to lift a (useless) leg and mapping the brain areas that respond would probably be horribly imprecise.
I suspect that Steve Ausin's limbs are still very very far away.
myke
Mimetics Inc. Twitter
Where do I sign up for my cyberbrain implant? Now I just need to find some thermoptic camouflage and a Tachikoma...
Erik http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/~rattles
Just remember our experiences from the computer world...
NEVER use BrainJack v1.0
Always wait for the point release!
Looks to me like the main form of feedback that the action has been completed would be in the form of audio and visual signals.
Ofcourse, wiring information into the brain so that it can understand it would be *much* more difficult than interpreting information from the brain and translating it into signals that feed into devices we already understand.
If feedback to the brain can really be made to work, that would open up huge possibilities for misuse -- you could make a person believe anything you wanted to, just by writing a virus/malicious code to send the right signals to the brain.
Just some food for thought.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
... until you realize your being hooked up to a microsoft product. Takes the blue screen of death to a whole new level.
I know.. kung fu.
What is your penile percentile?
New pickup lines:
Hey babe, nice RJ45
Check out my "RAM"
Let's interface
I'm going to speak on less scientific terms because i'm a cryptologist, not a nanotechnician/computer science genius ;)
I see it like this:
This can lead to a TON of great things that we've only seen in sci-fi movies and books and games and what not. Perhaps not exactly the same, but this is quite exciting indeed. Think about being "wired" 24/7/365, having a HUD (heads-up display) overlayed onto your vision everywhere you go, interfacing with everything it sees, no longer will we need credit cards or wallets or anything, just interface with the bank network right then and there.
We will have a new level of education, kids won't have to do the K-12 thing anymore as they'll already have access to basically all known information with a single thought. They can concentrate on other things instead (which could be bad...they'd lose their innocence at a very young age).
Also opens the door for nanotech, however dangerous that could prove to be. I won't elaborate on that though as this is all guesswork and just a bunch of personal theory anyway.
This could also cause a devastating breakdown of society and culture, if this tech is developed enough I imagine it would really be possible to put people in a "matrix-like" state, total VR. People wouldn't want to leave.
Would also cause massive changes in the political world, governments would completely change to accomodate this because your average citizen wouldn't just be running blind most of the time anymore. They'd be able to see unbiased news if they wanted instead of being brainwashed by Fox or CNN or what not.
Just a few thoughts, most of them probably BS but worth thinking about.
All your base are belong to Google.
GRANDPA!
;-)
Oh, wait..
Quack, quack.
So far it works for monkeys
/.?
I guess that means we can use it to read
wouldn't it just suffice with a connection to the source?
I would imagine that there would probably be separate arenas/competitions for physical-interface games and (not sure what the word is) neural-interface games. Just because, like the top-level poster said, it would generate an unfair advantage.
Frankly, I'd prefer to see neural-interface match-ups because then the games become less of a matter of how well you can properly wield a mouse, but it relies more on strategy. Presumably, all the characters would have the same "physical" (in the game) abilities, so it would be up to the players' strategies and luck to determine who would win.
True story.
"every time the wife would turn on the microwave, I'd piss my pants and forget who I was for half-an-hour."
Not to mention static electricity would probably be a SERIOUS phobia
I see it like this: This can lead to a TON of great things that we've only seen in sci-fi movies and books and games and what not. Perhaps not exactly the same, but this is quite exciting indeed. Think about being "wired" 24/7/365, having a HUD (heads-up display) overlayed onto your vision everywhere you go, interfacing with everything it sees, no longer will we need credit cards or wallets or anything, just interface with the bank network right then and there.
We will have a new level of education, kids won't have to do the K-12 thing anymore as they'll already have access to basically all known information with a single thought. They can concentrate on other things instead (which could be bad...they'd lose their innocence at a very young age). Also opens the door for nanotech, however dangerous that could prove to be. I won't elaborate on that though as this is all guesswork and just a bunch of personal theory anyway.
This could also cause a devastating breakdown of society and culture, if this tech is developed enough I imagine it would really be possible to put people in a "matrix-like" state, total VR. People wouldn't want to leave. Would also cause massive changes in the political world, governments would completely change to accomodate this because your average citizen wouldn't just be running blind most of the time anymore. They'd be able to see unbiased news if they wanted instead of being brainwashed by Fox or CNN or what not. Just a few thoughts, most of them probably BS but worth thinking about.
All your base are belong to Google.
were jacked in randomly for a sufficient amount of time, they would eventually produce the entire works of Microsoft, including all of its errors, without error.
is no laughing matter. ;-)
Quack, quack.
As a human, I'd prefer a one-way link from me to the Computer, that is, I'm in charge. As a computer, uplinked to a human, would I care? ;)
(POTENTIAL SPOILER FOR MATRIX REVOLUTIONS)
In Matrix Revolutions, program executes you!
True story.
(You know its going to happen)
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
I'm thinking it'll be more like the 'Hyperion' series of novels by Dan Simmons. Where the artificial intelligences use our brain power to exist and compute when we transfer locations thru the network.
I'm good with numbers -
signing up... my website will surely get slashdotted if I have my brain to firewire 800 project up on the web(with pictures). I want to be able to type by just looking at a page!!!
The next step of course would be feedback. I always wanted to experience a BFG10K
I'm not quite sure I see what is so "Matrix-style" about this? Machines controlling a human brain, sure, I can see how that would be, but not the other way around...
> I would imagine that there would probably be separate arenas
Too bad you post at zero, because that was a good point.
While some users here have quiped about having to add another 512 MB ram to their brain this is not likely to happen. All a user needs is a communication medium with the brain, then you can plug in anything you want, memory, cpu, cell phone, etc... think of it as usb for the brain, but probably done wirelessly. we'll see though, i might be wrong, but thats never stopped anyone else from posting on slashdot :)
But I'm a quadriplegic...
Outdoor digital photography, mostly in New Engl
Seriously, the reason I play laser tag is because I suspect it's the closest to that kind of thing that I'll ever live to see.
"We can defeat the monkeys. We can defeate the robots. But not at the same time! Damn scientists."
Will we be able to receive stimulus through it, IE for a fighter pilot speed and altitude data, or even something as simple as a another inner ear, sensing which direction is down...
If you think about it, we can adapt to stimuli easily, will we be able to use it to enhance our perception???
Forget video goggles, I want direct input!
As in, Brain2Brain!
If I get one of these, I'll figure out how to run BitTorrent on it. Then I can download anime fansubs with a mere thought!
Christopher S. 'coldacid' Charabaruk -- coldacid.net
- Weapons against the mind: Electromagnetic Weapons and Mind Control from CNN's Special Assignment, anno 1985 (which litterally tells: in Soviet Russia, weapons control YOU)
... and an old Slashdot article :-)
- Controlling Robots with the Mind
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Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Outsourcing.
True story.
Brings new terror to the term "Blue Screen of Death"
Gives the phrase Blue Screen of Death a whole new lease on terror, doesn't it?
Yeah, but what happens when someone hacks you?
The company's system, called BrainGate, could help patients with no mobility to control a computer, a robot or eventually their own rewired muscles
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Surgenor said the whole system eventually will be wireless.
Stray EMI could give you a tic. Someone malicious could actually block/redirect/subvert control of your own body, remotely.
On the other hand... telerobotics, maybe? Use your brain to control a robot doing a dangerous job somewhere! Going into a hazardous environment from the safety of your control lab...
Or maybe even a totally virtual environment.
Todays fortune may not be so far from truth.
Ride recklessly only when safe to do so.
You people are getting it wrong. After they mess in your brain with electrodes you are reduced to a monkey or end in a wheel chair.
"I think this line is mostly filler"
An interesting book by Bruce Coville points to a similar situation...where all humans were once linked. Eventually the need for privacy grew and we created a Psyonic Barrier....I could see just such a scenario playing...
-Wired9_99
While I laud the effort, it will be a long time before this becomes a proper human interface. Take computer voice recognition... it's still in it's infancy despite years of 'progress'. The issues at hand:
i) How long it takes the computer to learn how to interpret the signals and what they relate to(its training).
ii) The training involved for the human to keep a 'steady mind'. How does the system bypass clutter?
If those two issues are resolved or mitigated, this is a cool prospect.
(1st sig) If this were a snappy sig, you'd be reading it right now. (2nd sig) I'm a karma whore. >Insert FUD here
Thanks for the boost. If I had said anything to that effect, I would have been modded off-topic and/or troll. Posting at 0 is very difficult because whenever you make a controversial point or you're trying to make a joke it gets modded down. (To be fair, I probably deserved the 0, but I am now in full control of my faculties =)
True story.
So instead of a long rod inserted into the back of my head, would I have a USB port on my neck?
Maybe fire-wire?
What about blue-tooth?
Maybe good ol' serial port would be best.
Would we have docking stations?
$7.95/mo, 200 GB disk, 2TBxfer, MySQL, PHP, RoR.
Reminds me of Scott Adams' The Dilbert Future, where he was discussing Star Trek Technology:
It would be great to be able to beam your molecules across space and then reassemble them. The only problem is that you have to trust your co-worker to operate the transporter. These are the same people who won't add paper to the photocopier or make a new pot of coffee after taking the last drop. I don't think they'll be double-checking the transporter coordinates. They'll be accidentally beaming people into walls, pets, and furniture. People will spend all their time apologizing for having inanimate objects protruding from parts of their bodies.
Now that I think about it, maybe there should be some long consideration before releasing this on humanity...
--Storm
They just hooked up a million monkeys with brain implants to some development tools, masturbated them- and the result was Windows XP.
True story....
As opposed to Windows which just runs all of your thoughts as admin by default? Imagine someone crashing your optical input to get full access to your brain a la smashing SQL Server to grab a whole server.
AAAGHH!!!! I'm blind!!!
But, on the other hand, I'm being used to host pr0n... so is it really that bad?
Imagine a ping o' death on your brain...
Alito: A vote for Alito is a punch in the eye to put that bitch back in her place!
If someone gets slashdotted, I dont want to be the one to clean the mess up.
I dream of a slashdot world where there are millions of users, but I always get first post, +5 Funny and god-like karma.
Then the slashdot servers are also running on linux beowulf clusters. Bill Gates will also be wearing a penguin suit. And all the people who mod me down goes straight to hell.
Does that mean that we have to start putting down "Thoughts Per Minute" (TPM) in our resumes intead of WPM (Words Per Minute)? Boy, I'm glad that I'm ADHD! :)
Since the brain already has a liquid cooling system can it be overclocked?
If so how? Would slushies be required for a brain freeze?
And what about the Blue Screen of Death?
Would it have a new meaning?
So all I have to do to test this is become a quadriplegic, right?
Where do I sign up, and where's the nearest 4 story building with adjoining hospital?
Paintball is more realistic, you get the recoil action and the pain of getting marked.
I wonder what it feels like to control something with this thing? Like you're controlling part of your arm or something?
-1, "1337" speak
See here.
To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
Kurzweil's very interesting piece The Age of Spiritual Machines details exactly how this technology will lead to a very Matrix-like future. Figured it was worth mentioning the book since everyone here was seeing this as being analogous to the Matrix even though its in such infancy. Definitely an interesting and applicable book to take a look at in light of the technology that's finally starting to emerge (nanotech, advances in distributed networks, advances in neural networks, and of course this sort of psuedo matrix stuff).
I can't believe that movie would get credit for wetware... it was bad science fiction, using ideas that have been written about, filmed, and talked about for decades...
Are people's attention spans that short, or do they only care about something when it's been popularized in a lame movie?
Sorry, to flame, it's just ridiculous...
Imagine someone crashing your optical input to get full access to your brain
Someone imagined that already.
- fader
mandates a current reality.
you may continue to pretend if you must/are afraid/afraud, but it won't help/could make things worse, if that's even possible.
consult with/trust in yOUR creators... the ultimate interface.
Beowolf cluster of THESE bad boys. Damn, that would be SWEET!
What are the grphics chips on these things?
(no spell check)
OTOH, the risks of an invasive procedure such as this would involve would probably preclude any applications for healthy people. We live in a litigious society & the risk of medical malpractice would scare off any physicians who might think about installing the equipment in the noggins of people who didn't have serious, serious physical problems already.
Is this why politicians are jumping on the tort reform bandwagon? Limit people's ability to sue doctors for malpractice & you might wind up with voters whose brains are all hooked to a network. Wow! And we thought voting machine fraud was an issue!
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
1) Implant a monkey with BrainGate technology. ...
2) Integrate the monkey's computer with the control for a remote controlled rat on a keyboard.
3) Repeat 1 & 2 a million times.
4)
5) Profit!
Remember that old movie with Christopher Walken? Just put a "walkman" on your heah and you're jacked in...rather than having a spike shoved into your brain. Ruger
What if we start implanting those chips into the heads of accused murderers? Will we be able to get the truth?
It could be quite a spyware in my opinion.
First I wanted to be a chef. Then I wanted to be Napoleon. My ambitions have continued to grow ever since.
... the Windows version requires a reboot of the user.
help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am
Well, about a year ago, in the Catalan Congress on Artificial Intelligence, I attended to an invited conference of a technology very similar to this. Since it was an invited conference it's not in the lecture notes, and I can't rememeber the name of the researcher, but he had a helmet that readed thoughts and could discriminate between many more than up/down, left/right and the like. The main difference was it required no surgery, they were applying it to humans, since with no surgery, it's easier to make experiments and had some pretty impressive videos. The research was being done in a European Union research facility.
DON'T PANIC
For anyone that doesn't recognize this, it's an adaptation of a monologue done by Brak from the Space Ghost crew on Cartoon Network. Here's the original:
One time I hired a monkey to take notes for me in class. I would just sit there with my mind a complete blank while the monkey scribbled on little pieces of paper. At the end of the week the teacher said, "Class, I want you to write a paper using your notes." So I wrote a paper that said "Hello, my name is Bingo. I like to climb on things. Can I have a banana? Eek eek." I got an F. When I told my Mom about it she said "I told you never trust a monkey!" The end.
"Mod, mod, mod...and another troll bites the dust."
Yesterday: "When I was gorwing up we weren't online, we did lines!
YEAH, and there were ninjas on the fucking lawn TRYING TO KILL US!!"
Tomarow:"When I was growing up we weren't online we were on computers!
YEAH, and there were remote-controlled-ninja-monkeys on the fucking lawn TRYING TO KILL US!!"
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I can see it now - hijacked cafe antennas that repeatedly command you to walk to the counter, order another latte, swipe the card, and sip and enjoy with every mouse click...
Yikes.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Do you really want DRM, Microsoft and the government INSIDE YOUR HEAD?
Maybe you'll be scanned for terrorists thoughts, but don't worry, someone will only look at the thought if it poses a threat to national security. If you're not a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about. Frankly, if it prevents another 9/11, i'm happy to provide our government protectors full access to my mind.
Current estimates by Robert Freitas suggest that it is going to require at least a trillion nanorobots in place within the brain and most probably the installation of an extensive fiber optic network to handle the required bandwidth to provide a matrix-like interface (either for real time full bandwidth human-computer interfaces or for brain/mind uploading into a computer). This may be documented to a limited extent in Ray Kurzweil's forthcoming book The Singularity is Near (est. publication early 2005) and perhaps to a greater extent in several years when Nanomedicine Volume III is published.
Starcraft had some strategy depth to it.
If you plugged your brain into Warcraft3, it'd be like,"This is your brain. This is your brain in a microwave."
For real, I competed on a world class level for a while, so I know my shit. First one to 1500 wins.
Blizzard must have lucked out with Starcraft, because the way they balanced Warcraft was borderline retarded.
God spoke to me
Hence my preference for laser tag, yes.
While it won't take hold until the next decade, enthusiasts interested in privacy concerns should wonder now - "How will I control which collective(s) I join?"
This convergence will lead to a new round of truely "personal computing", where once again industry will "leave security until later" with catastrophic results. Self organizing grids need to learn to deal, now, with developing healthy doses of suspicion, doubt, identity and mistrust of "others".
You have been warned! Don't let there be just one.
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Could you get into Harvard with last year's brain chip?
Would all your friends stop talking to you because you "chip" was to slow?
And then of course there would be the hackers that insist on over-clocking their personal brains.
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Ok, so right now the only exercise I get during work hours is typing, and occasionally moving and clicking the mouse. Now I'm just going to sit still all day and think code? Gonna need a bigger chair.
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Technically, isn't the person really just a glorified keyboard and mouse? Unless, of course, the BrainGate is able to use one's brain as RAM or CPU...
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I can't wait until I can interface with my computer like in Tom Clancy's Net Force and my senses will also interface with it. It will be like the holodeck except for I can be dormant. Me wants :)
-illumina+us "I put on my robe and wizard hat..."
So how long will it be before SCO begins demanding that people purchase licenses for controlling Linux with their brains?
Anyone gonna sign up for the Microsoft Brain 1.0 Beta? :)
I just watched that episode of Cowboy Bebop with the "Brain Dream" virtual reality system, which was really just a conspiracy by a cult that called itself SCRATCH and promised to turn your brain into electrical signals so you wouldn't need a body anymore. Turns out the Brain Dream was just a way to hypnotize users. Yikes.
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Finaly this might stop women complaing that the computer did what thy told it instead of what they wanted it to do.
Maybe some of the dumbasses I work with can get a much needed 'firmware update'.
"Excuse me, can I connect you to my ibook for a minute?"
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
Now that is a true incorporation. Or is it the face of (a) god?
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So far it works for monkeys
Ah, that explains the latest Microsoft security strategy
M.T. Anderson wrote a satire about this sort of thing. The book was called "The Feed". It's next on my list, haven't gotten to it yet.
Amazon describes it as:
"This brilliantly ironic satire is set in a future world where television and computers are connected directly into people's brains when they are babies. The result is a chillingly recognizable consumer society where empty-headed kids are driven by fashion and shopping and the avid pursuit of silly entertainment--even on trips to Mars and the moon--and by constant customized murmurs in their brains of encouragement to buy, buy, buy."
Sounds interesting, and inevitable....
...a market he believes to be worth about $2 billion
So all this work not to help the helpless, but just to make mon(k)ey...
Sort of sucks seeing that statement stuck in there.
Nick
Couldn't this tech be used to interpret the commands coming off the inferior end of the superior region of a spinal cord injury (sorry, a little confusing) and send it to the 'dead' region of the spinal cord?
If they could find a way to do this, it would also be beneficial to those who have lost limbs and the nerves would still send the signal, just that there would be a need for an artifical arm that can read this signal. I think it would be preferable to receive the commands directly from the nerve (at least for now) instead of ignoring it and going directly to the brain. Grabbing it from the nerves means that the brains has already done its work and not much (if any) of a learning curve would be necessary.
"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams"
... but is it really necessary to become quadriplegic before?
I'm gonna need a new PSU!
I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them. Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)
Cool!
The RIAA can demand royalties everytime a copyrighted song goes through your head!
And once they add Digital Rights Management, they can stop you from thinking any thought that violates their IP!
Gee, makes Orwell sound quaint, doesn't it?
So now this device communicates over wires, which I'm assuming is also what carries power to the implant. They had said in the article they are planning on producing a self-contained wireless version (which would be really cool). My only question is how it might be powered? Would you need to go under surgery every few months to replace the battery?
Maybe they would use glucose from our bodies to power the device? I would think though that sending a RF signal would consume a lot of juice. Anyone else have any thoughts on how they might supply power to a wireless implant?
About 160,000 people in the United States have no use of their arms and legs, a market he believes to be worth about $2 billion.
So, $12,500 for the implant and associated software. I'm sure that doesn't include the surgery either. That's a pretty hefty fee, but perhaps if/when anyone can get it the prices will come down a bit.
And of course, as the research advances they'll be able to interact with other parts of the brain, which would mean upgrades. This just doesn't seem practical for people who don't have a physical need for it. Of course, perhaps prices will come down if lots of people sign up. I somehow doubt insurance will cover this for most people.
Doesn't mean it wouldn't be really freakin' cool though. ;-)
Unfortunately this just won't make people that much smarter... you can have access to all the information in the world, and it won't really help you to synthesize that information. You don't know how to look for patterns unless you've been taught how to process information and integrate it into what you already know -- so if you don't even know you knew something, it won't be so helpful in letting you come up with new connections and creative reworkings of previous ideas. This goes especially for the liberal arts, but even for mathematics like geometry -- I personally already know that I can look up the solution of complex integral formulae, but because I've used that as a crutch and not learned to manipulate the symbols well myself, I still need to work at integrating more complex formulae that involve substitutions. Only practice gets you that.
e =UTF-8&q=25+times+37'... besides which, the latter isn't very likely to teach me anything. But if I work it out by hand enough, I'll learn not just what that particular product is, but I'll learn how to rely upon myself to do mathematics.
For that matter, so much of learning is about process. For instance, I know full well how to do multiplications of two digits by two digits. But, because I haven't put in the time and the experience to memorize those parts of the tables, I have to work it out. But I can't imagine that working it out is that much slower than fighting the slashdot effect when everybody in my class taking the same final exam tries to 'wget http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&o
If anything this is a threat to primary education. Kids aren't challenged enough in these classes. I wish I'd been pushed more, and it's only getting worse.
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Fanatics Galore believe we're entering Armeggedon, and that these technologies are the beginning of the end.
I think the technology's damn cool, personally. Just a few things to think about.
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Frankly, I'd prefer to see neural-interface match-ups because then the games become less of a matter of how well you can properly wield a mouse, but it relies more on strategy.
I don't see why this would be the case. Just because the interface wouldn't be based on a mouse and keyboard doesn't mean that different people wouldn't have varying levels of skill operating the interface. It's easily conceivable that people's succeptiblity to biofeedback signals would vary just as widely as hand eye coordination.
It isn't like your UID is particularly elite. Why not just make another account?
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I've actually had horror story scenarios based on this. Imagine someone else's' ID integrating with yours and steady state of info feeding it. Combined neurosis and being unable to differentiate your thoughts from someone else's', and starting to lose any point of referrence. ("why do I want to kill my child? I don't even have a child.")...
It was never addressed how the Borg would respond assimilating a mental ward. Would you really want your thoughts intermingling with Dahlmer's?
Bringing the equivalent of the godhead into a singular consciousness... Looking into the abyss and all it entails.
Aye, it will not make people smarter. It'll just leave them with more access to information. I think my problem is that I was looking at this from a current standpoint, I mean you and I and most everyone here has already gone through the education system and we already understand the learning process. My thinking that this would help future generations is flawed because they would not be recieving the same experience as we did.
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I was already touch typing quite fast before I switched to the Dvorak keyboard layout, that did make a big difference. QWERTY was designed to make typing slow unlike Dvorak. Try it, if you haven't yet, it's much safer than holes in your head too ! :)
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when I did some work in a NN lab in undergrad most other labs were using matlab for their simulations. We used a home-rolled C++ app, but used matlab for all the analysis. it's pretty essential for NN stuff as things stand today (unless they've changed considerably in the last year or two)
...when I can waste an hour and then know kung-fu.
Yeah, but the Army still has not figured out how to Save and Reload games. You can't even Quicksave a game. Until there's at least an Undo option, count me out.
For quadriplegics, this is a fantastic idea. For everyone else who wants a direct link to their computer to execute thoughts faster and faster, there will come a time when you will stop having to think in order to record your thoughts. What then? Billions of comments on every /. article that go something like this:
j jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj etc.
jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
There is still a lot to be said for typing by hand, and pen and paper in extreme circumstances as well!
I remember when I first read a Gibson novel and he described "jacking into the Matrix"... All I could think was, I want one!
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I guess I need to be quicker on the draw, I was planning to do exactly what this Cyberkinetics place has already done. Oh well. I still have a few more ideas related to that under my belt though. ;-)
As lons as it doesn't become *mandatory* to use the Proctoprod form the fantastic Bruce Bethke book "Headcrash"... :D
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"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
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http://brainfingers.com/ I think I'd rather have the Brainfinger's solution. Except for the shaving your head part.. they basically have electodes that sense certain brainwaves.. you learn how to control those brainwaves using biofeedback(basically a graph on the screen, once you learn how to alter the levels of those brainwaves you can control the Brainfingers) it adds 10 different Controls that you can use... Looks like the price has gone down too ($ 2,050.) Although, surely with technological advances, the detection electrodes will become more sensitive.. I don't want to have surgery or shave my head... :/
now I suppose Surgery would be required if we eventually wanted some sort of Video and audio input directly to our brains.. A nice little DataJack that connects to the spine? Hmmm Video prolly needs to be connected to the visual cortex.
Cochlear implants already exist maybe we just need to install a mini-SPD/IF optical jack for audio input? maybe use Bluetooth for a Personal Area Network(PAN) Heart Attacks are dangerous.. I could deal with a Preventitive Pacemaker that monitors also Monitors Blood for Sugar, protien, temperature, and Heart Rate. Come to think of it my eyes aren't very good for seeing in the infrared or UV Spectrum.. or for reading newspapers a few miles away, Geordi's Visor would work, but maybe just new eyeballs would do.
Actually there is a whole list of neat bio-implants from the Shadow Run RPG that would be nice to have Adreniline Pump? super efficient kidney and liver so I can eat fish with mercury?
Lungs with a compressed O2 reserve? Anyone else have that dream where you are underwater and swimming up towards the surface, but never get there? Not to mention the ability to hold your breath when on an elevator with a bean eating fiend! Small and large intestines that are ultra effcient so you can eat less and create less waste when on your interstellar voyage.
my $.02
all I really want to be able to do is learn how to fly a helicopter while standing next to it in under 10 seconds... maybe learn some kung fu? :)
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Just consider yourself always playing in "Hardcore" mode. You get ONE character....
Of course even then, we can always re-install the game. I suppose as long as you believe in reincarnation, you should be okay!
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I really don't know why, but something about it kinda creeps me out. Then again, I don't have any non-functioning appendages and I have no eyesight problems.
For some reason, the idea of having someone grow me a new arm is a whole lot less disturbing than having someone attach a mechanical one to me.
I realize this is really off topic... ahh fuckit. AC it is.
I've said it before- it's inevitable...
just gotta get all the competitor that are infront of me in the queue elimated! When am I gonna get assimilated into the collective?
...the difference between knowing that it exists, and why it exists. If they can measure a signal that I can control, like if they can measure my brain to see when I'm looking left, rather than filming my eye, what's the difference?
They don't need to understand the rest of the brain, the thought process of *how* or *why* I look left, as long as they can identify the areas of the brain activated by looking left.
Same with speech. If they could tap into our speech center, read it before we actually spoke it, that would be same as natural speech recognition. They don't need to understand the thought process leading up to it, as long as they can understand the words.
So far they've basicly identified output. I don't think they've understood the inner workings of the brain. For the time being, think of it simply as avoiding the digital/analog/digital conversion going from digital signals in the brain, to analog movements by our bodies, to digitally measured results in a computer.
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...that they'll insist we take a look at whatever goes on inside *their* minds. I suspect permanent insanity or brain meltdown would ensue.
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I generally embrace new technologies, but the potential disasters that this could create for humanity gives me the total creeps.
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How many other linked brains does it take to slashdot another brain?
Does that mean we can sit at work doing nothing because we are being slashdoted?
I have a feeling this isn't as easy as swapping out the old graphics card for a new one. Will I even be ABLE to upgrade? Will I be stuck with a bunch of legacy ports on my head? Will it damage my brain to upgrade?
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How soon until anyone can become the ultimate expansion card?
How long until the card you have implanted becomes obsolete and the newest version comes out with more IDE slots and capability to handles heaps more memory.I couldn't think of a sig.
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Not on this one. First of all, wait until they're really advanced and give you lots of cool features. Don't be stuck with the equivalent of an AT in your brain that can't be taken out. I think I'd rather be the 1 millionth customer than that 1 hundredth, or even one thousandth customer.
That's gotta fit into your schema somewhere
Right now it's just visual feedback. But I would guess that feedback in the form of brain stimulation (in animals) is only a few years away.
Except that the neural interface is based solely on brain impulses. For example, with a mouse, you have to translate the impulses into muscle movements which, I'm assuming, decreases their accuracy. Also, optical mouses occasionally have problems detecting motion.
And what about picking the mouse up to continue moving? That's another hardly intuitive inconvenience of the current physical interface to FPSs.
Lastly, I'll give you the example of Trespasser. If you played the game, you would know how incredibly annoying the controls were (there were buttons to twist your wrist, move your forearm, etc.) Much of my frustration with the controls came about from the fact that the controls were digital. With a neural interface, you can have essentially unlimited unconstrained analog axes. Currently, the physical interface boasts two (x and y axes on the mouse).
Just a few examples. So while I'm still skeptical that people would be so unresponive to biofeedback, even if that were true, an unparalleled amount of control is theoretically possible with a neural interface.
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I, for one, welcome our new robotic overlords.
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Allow me to recommend Manna, a short story by Marshall Brain that explores some interesting ideas about technology and technology interfaces for the near, and not so near future.
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just get thought recongnition.
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if you are a christian.
As opposed to Windows which just runs all of your thoughts as admin by default?
Get with the program. This isn't 1998 anymore. If you are going to bash windows find a real reason to bash it.
Can you see installing TurboTax onto your brain, in that manner?
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My brains do not have any holes (I hope) - I do not answer any inproper questions. And I can recognize suspicious questions too.
But I guess that users of Microsoft brains might keep having problems. I wish them good patching :)
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Sorry, ain't gonna happen for most people. You'd have to be really messed up to earn the right to try to get this done to you.
What'll make this possible for widespread use is an external interface based on EEG/MEG (and most likely the former, because the magneto-EGs require extremely sensitive cryogenic quantum semi-conductors).
And even when this is possible, chances are what you'll be able to do with it will be no more than you could do more easily and a whole lot cheaper with your hands.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
Blind man can see thanks to a camera implanted in his brain
I thought I read somewhere they're unable to understand the processes in the brain,
but can reproduce the Outcome of the electronical / neurological process by chips in hopes to once understand how *that gray matter* actually works.
Neurochips detect brain's reaction to learning
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
Acutally I predict that it will be developed quite easily... see you don't need to train the computer to understand the signals the brain is sending. Instead you simply hook it up and then let the person get used to it.
The brain is actually very good at working out how to use things it is connected to. A similar thing happens with bionic prosthetics; once hooked up the brain sort of just 'fiddles' with the nerves until it gets it right.
I remember reading about a guy years ago who connected a radio transmitter/receiver to a set of nerve bundles into his arm and the other end into a bundle in his wife's arm. After a while they learnt to feel each others emotions even though they didn't know exactly how they did it.
Man I would apply for getting one myself, too. But I bet you the monkey would not! HATE! Why the fuck don't they test on humans? Do please imagine the work of those guys for the last couple of years:
Wake up at 6 o'clock. Breakfast. Bus. Office (lab? dachau? auschwitz?). Put on plastic clothes (so you don't seem a "fucking maxipad" when you leave home). Grab an axe. Grab a monkey. Hit. Repeat until head is open, brain exposed. Grab oscilloscope, variable power supply, function generator, Grab wires and nails, plug in randomly. Start electroshocks. Read output. Repeat twice. Wait. Hit with axe. Repeat. Error. Remove nails. If monkey breathing and heart pumping, pin nails randomly again. Repeat. Stop at 2PM. Make sandwiches with dead monkeys. Boss gets Roasted Brain Biff Sandwich....
Man can they sleep at night? How do they manage not to see monkeys everywhere? Maybe they are monkeys. Or else... FUCK'EM!
Or volunteer to chaperone Bush's daughter.
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It is a popular Sci-Fi concept that female pilots will come to dominate.
This could be the start...
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Ha ha! Children, point and laugh at the funny, trolling anonymous coward who knows nothing about Windows, much less how most people wind up having to run it! He's what we call a "technology have-not". He likely believes that Microsoft Windows is somehow technologically capable of putting up a fight against the traditional and modernized POSIX systems. He is a fool, and his blood will run in the streets during the next plague of Windows-only viruses and worms.
Or, in short. You're an idiot. Get a life. Stop trolling me.
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As opposed to Windows which just runs all of your thoughts as admin by default?
Get with the program. This isn't 1998 anymore. If you are going to bash windows find a real reason to bash it.
Someone should tell Microsoft that, since their latest products indeed run everything as admin by default. And the services cannot be made to do otherwise!
Actually, I thought it was cute that XP was finally able to switch users without logging out. I thought "Welcome to 1967 Microsoft!" :)
I just saw a story about this on one of the Discovery channels last night. A man had an implant in his brain and could move a cursor on a computer screen just by thinking about moving his hand. And his implant was done, IIRC, in 1998!
Thats surprising to me. Im a network architect with microsoft products, and nothing I work with runs admin by default.
Maybe you should work with something more tech-savy than XP Home, since that seems to be the extent of your IT experience.
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1. install on an army of monkeys
2. make them fight other countries
3. sell them to the U.S
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If you listen to a copyrighted song, can RIAA go into your brain and erase it?
However, Keanu`s head could only carry a few Mb, if I remember (it was so pre-CDRW!). I could have paid more attention to the flick, but when I saw the talking dolphin... it was a little too much.
Just what we need, lag in full virtual reality.
Imaginge how that'll turn out.....
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this interface tech evolves into something that can connect you with other people and share memories and significant knowledge with others, like your SO?
"Wireless : LAN
What actions are being taken to ensure that I won't be spammed in my sleep?
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If a link to your brain got posted here and you got slashdotted, then you would be braindead...
Just wait till someone finds out how to hack these things ;-)
I think were seeing a lot of enthused people, but the technology is not what you seem to think it is.
It's a sensor implated into the back of your head that will take directions from the you, and move around the cursor to match those directions- essentially it will at its best remove the mouse from the computer (it will probabally work as a stylus/mouse once you get used to it).
Now this might solve a lot of RSD and Carple tunnel problems, but it's not going to let you 'download' massive ammounts of code from your brain into your computer, and it definatly isin't going to send anything back.
And the technology isin't ever going to do that (well this particularly strain of technology, someone else will work on brain signal decoding some day- this process dosen't decode anything), this technology may however build better prostetic limbs or weelchairs, and it will allow the paralized slow, but functional, access to the itnernet (try typing on a virtual keyboard with your mouse, it's goign to be slow not matter what compared to a touch typer)
So slow down there, I like you, cannot wait to be able to interface directly with my computer; I'm even interested in this technology (I'm starting to feel the progression of RSD on my 'mousing fingers' (I switch which hand uses the mouse every 6 monthes) and wrists), but I don't expect THIS technology to ever evolve into direct some form of neural interface, that will have to wait for someone else to develop a way to decode/encode human transmission signals.
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I wonder how long it would take an implanted monkey connected to a computer running MS Word to type up the script for "Hamlet"?
... just goes to show no one who is anyone is taking this seriously, just yet.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Can he control the timing of his "yes" signals? If so, this could be made considerably more efficient. Currently it takes on average six inputs and two outputs to specify a letter. But if he can look up either immediately, with a delay, or not at all after hearing a stimulus, then he could signal in Morse code, getting a letter out in (usually) only two or three inputs and the same number of outputs. With better control of his timing, he could signal any of several choices with a single carefully-timed motion.
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I'll be first in line to get the new cybernetic interface installed into my skull.
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Dude, if you want realistic fighting with the chance of possible brain damage, just join the army.
Soldier,
I object to your scanty claims that being in the army causes brain damage. Now get back to work! I want that toilet bowl so clean I could eat off it - because I plan to.
sincerely,
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This more on the lines of a shadowrun (http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/) item..
Too many people out there have already been hit by DOS attacks on their brains
'nuff said.
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Someone should tell Microsoft that, since their latest products indeed run everything as admin by default. And the services cannot be made to do otherwise!
Thats surprising to me. Im a network architect with microsoft products, and nothing I work with runs admin by default.
Maybe you should work with something more tech-savy than XP Home, since that seems to be the extent of your IT experience.
Riiiight. So tell me what user the RPC service runs as? IIS? MSSQL? EVERY service on windows runs as system or administrator by default and AFAIK this cannot be changed. Also, by default the only user you have is administrator. Granted most normal people create new users. But in the case of desktop windows, especially with the XP Home you would mention, it is more likely the user will just sally forth with Administrator.
In fact with the XP it is not immediately obvious to a non-sysadmin what user is the administrator or that that is indeed what is happening. Perhaps that is why you missed it.
Perhaps you should go back to MCSE school or learn to use a real operating system so you understand what the rest of us are on about.
Boy, you really are stupid. The IIS service runs as IUSR account, or an account you specify (you can changed it from the default). Likewise with the FTP service. SQL uses an SQLAGENT account.
cough... bullshitter... cough... Advice for anyone who might believe a know-nothing like rifter, try taking a serving of "Expert" with your expert opinions, because that guy doesnt know Jack, or Shit.
Also, the account ANY service runs under can be changed. Its as simple as going to the "service" control panel or MMC snap-in. Again proving that you dont have the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Also, NOT ONE SINGLE service runs as Administrator by default. If you WANT it to, you have to change that. Why? Because MS doesnt set services to run as user accounts, and Administrator is a user account.
Also, by default the only user you have is administrator
No, because it asks you at install to create a new user account. It must really suck not knowing anything, but having to act like you do. I pity you.
In fact with the XP it is not immediately obvious to a non-sysadmin what user is the administrator or that that is indeed what is happening.
OMG, you mean that people need to understand how to use a computer in order to use it? When did this happen? It explains you, of course. Anyway, I dont see Linux being all that user-friendly to people who dont know how to use Linux, nor OSX. So it seems that no matter what OS you are using, you need to know how it works.
Perhaps you should go back to MCSE school or learn to use a real operating system so you understand what the rest of us are on about.
Well, aparently I understand MS products far better than you do. All you are doing is spewing ignorant misinformation, confirming my statement that you get your computer knowledge on Slashdot rather than from a reliable source.
Keep going to school, kid. Maybe once you actually learn the facts you can start having conversations with us adults who actually work in IT. Because you are obviously only at the hobbyist level.
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I hope that you recognize that the majority here believes that you are a stupid fuck. Why are you bothering us with your presence? Just kill yourself, but don't tell us about it.
This could be the beginning of so many possibilites, it's mind-boggling albeit far off. If perfected sometime in the future humans might actually be able to transmit thoughts to others wirelessly and even move objects by controlling nanomachines with our minds. cybertelepathy and cybertelekenisis here we come
Do those accounts you talk about have full administrator privileges or do they have a mechanism similar to sudo on UNIX? The default account you create does have administrative privileges. I think you'll find Microsoft touting ease of use and a shallow learning curve as benefits to their software. The reality is that Microsoft ships with user created accounts running as administrator. Why do you think it's to hard for them to implement a concept such as SUID to avoid this?
No, they just have privileges limited to whatever they need access to. the IIS account gets read privileges to the directory storing the web pages, for example. Sometimes I have problems come up because somebody changes something and it doesnt work- this usually ends up being an issue where the IIS service account doesnt have permission to access files that the web designer specified: the IIS account doesnt even get Domain User privileges (because as a further restriction the default account is a local account and not a domain account).
The default account you create does have administrative privileges.
Ya, but the difference is that a user account with admin privileges can get locked out if it fails a specified number of bad password attempts, whereas the Administrator account cant. BTW, one of the basic steps I always take is to change the name of the administrator account and set up a 'fake' admin account. This isnt a Windows-specific tip, either- its basic security.
Why do you think it's to hard for them to implement a concept such as SUID to avoid this?
They already did. Hold down Shift, than Right-Click. There will be an option there called "Run As..."
And there you go.
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
Also, i'm sure mods are looking at your sig. Promoting Anti-Slash usually gets a negative view. You know, free speech and all...oh wait...
But yea, what the other guy said, just make a new account and start over. You can recover though i'm sure.
Der Tod ist der einzige Weg hier raus!
The default account had administrative privileges and they don't require a password either. Your shift click method isn't the same as SUID, not even close.
This to me seems like the ultimate vapor ware concept of humans being able to directly interface with microchip calculators and dictionaries. Promised by scientists for so long and never actually delivered. We will see if this one will break the trend...