I meant of the linux kernel.... meaning, that if you share the joy of having a Linux firewall, amanda can be properly firewalled and its traffick correctly handled by your firewall.
Does it have OFFICIAL support from dell for ANY of those? Cause... thats the point here.
Support ONE distro, community will take care of the rest.
In fact, its great your laptop runs well on all linuxes. That support from each community supporting each distro would be easyer and faster for your dell laptop if dell officially supported officially one of them.
We listen to Michael, hes right as well, it would be easyer if there was only one Linux distro. But it just aint the case.
Now, think about this. You mention rhel's support on dell servers. The mere fact that dell supports Rhel on their servers means ALL distros run it. And they do, one way or another.
Now extrapolate that to the desktop.... ahhh... you see now dont you?
The fact that they chose rhel is unnimportant to the community. The fact that the linux kernel is GPL and both redhat and dell have to provide source code under the same license is what makes all the difference.
Thats the point: MIKE, support whatever you like, we will take care of the rest, we will not feel alienated if you choose to use MikiLinux as your distro, just publish drivers for that one, and the ball will be on our court. Bottom line is, i will consider your laptops alongside the (SUSE LINUX CERTIFIED) HP or IBM laptop where im writing this - on a RHEL distro, actually- (do you NOW see why it doesnt matter?). Right now, i will never ever buy a dell laptop, cause they dont run linux well. None of them.
If blackberry has any brains on its company, now would be a good time to give away their server as a GPL compatible thing.
This way, we (as in you and me) could make many FOSS groupware work with their POSH protocol and give MS a true run for their money.
On the other hand, BB would see their devices sales increase by leveraging on FOSS messanging solutions and i think we would have a chance to finally push MS the fuck out of that space (email and PIMS).
The critical part of this debate is that, when bioses include DRM, hw manufacturers could be able to decide what OS you run on their hardware (as it will require kernels and-or loaders to be signed with a public key).
The thing here is then, to force hw manufacturers to release their public key to EVERYBODY, not just whomever they want.
This way, any user can make their own kernel and sign it with that key and keep on running.
Shure, the hw manufacturers will have the potential power to close some out of their stack (by not giving them the public key), but i personally dont think thats the way their gonna cut it.
If they were really thinking that way, none of them would be shipping linux by default. Linux promotes the growth of server sales. We are emerging to be the ONLY cometcially viable other option insofar as OSes go. Theyd be shooting themselves in the foot if they didnt release theyre keys and mechanisms so we could use them without restriction.
Shure, perhaps the bios will lock us out of certain interupts or services (like, accesing the pci-express bridge for high speed data transfer to the video card), if we dont provide a signed thingie there so that they know we are playing video in a DRM compliant video player.
Yeah, that will murder -some- fair use rights but only for those crazy fucking markets that so dearly depend on controling content (games, movies and music) to ensure growth in revenue (because they are inept enough to not have that much growth just by doing business as usual).
I side with Linus here, that world is not a bad world for servers. That world is not a bad world for Linux in the enterprise (even non comercial distros could still run and work fine as allways). That world is a bad world for people that use their computer like a multimedia station and a stereo. That will not be the role of the computer by next year. Next year it will all be iPod and sons and stereos with an internet connection.
MySQL has a fully transactional engine that does the log thing, the rollback thing and the rollforward thing. This engine is ACID compliant from any way you wanna look at it.
The trick is the table format you choose. Refer to the mysql docs for that.
I mostly agree with the parent's comment except for:
First of all, the commercial database offerings are far more feature rich than MySQL, though MySQL is getting better all the time. MySQL is fabulous for the hobbyist and small business crowd, but won't be found as a core technology of a major investment bank or backing an SAP installation at a large manufacturer anytime soon.
And i dont agree because MySQL IS found in major operations of major businesses all over the world.
Okay, so perhaps not on evey single critical task for which other (both free and otherwise) databases excel better, but for simple relational, transactional applications, its a pretty damned good database. And its free and simple and has a huge community arround it.
Yeah, so we have no 'native' XML support on it, but is that really critical for every application? NO! Normal and critical client/server apps have been working well for ages on stupidly bad db engines (fox, access), whats wrong with mysql then?
No matter what anybody else says, iframes are still the only trully cross browser compatible solution to asyncronous data seting-getting.
Id say youre doing the right thing since noone is gonna drop iframe support soon.
The most important difference relative to xmlhttprequest is the XML part. This object can ensure you are actually receiving well formed xml, can also transform it (xslt implementation on all browsers) and thus, should result in a better development streamline (you make xml, render xml, no funny data format on the side).
Agreed. I guess what i meant is that economy is just a science dealing with measurable variables (such as utility, profit, productivity...etc).
And in that way the original article's writer was just pointing out that economic entities in the open source arena are increasingly adding (IBM), substracting(Microsoft) and further modifying (me, you, developers, other companies in violation of ther GPLv2) the FOSS landscape more than ever before.
Economic interests are not only about money. They are about cost.
Cost can also be time, work done or not...etc.
Rick Stallman started this movement so he could have an OS he could use for some shit he needed to do at the AI lab.
"Shit" here meaning work. Which costs.
So, it just goes to show that we humans are moved mostly by what itches. Itches are economic because if you dont solve the itch, it wont let you work, study, have fun...whatever.
Dont be confused by what politics call "economic". Economy is a science that meassures societal aspects through quantifiable data; thats why money is important to economy.
But in no way does this mean that any "altruistic" work done is not work. Or that any "altruistic" vision is not economicall in the long term.
Hell, Stallman's philosophy, looking at the final objective IS economical. He'd rather see a market where the rule is cooperation, not stupid obstacles to get things done.
Now in this modern Open Source world we live in, this body of software is increasingly becomming an asset for some corporations, a liability to other corporations. And those corporations react accordingly when taking decitions regarding this software. If the corporations are large enough, they actually affect this body of software (IBM-RedHat-Oracle contributions affects it, Microsoft FUD affects it). This is unavoidable and true as well.
So no, the author is not trying to destroy anything. Hes observing what is above described.
Take: - An army of undead lawyers - 100 years developing marketing techniques - 100 years worth of killing, mungering, partnering with nazis, giving illegal money to government officials in all the world - A CEO a 100 years old - 100 years worth of patents both ridicoulous and actually usefull, profitable ones.
What do you have?..... IBM
Its never going to die, it has predicted most problems that have come its way and emerged victorious. Hell, even when they lost big time (MS-DOS, the PC...etc.), they recovered and theyre still much bigger than any other IT company. Even HP-Compaq.
I tell ya, IBM will never die. It may be bought by the chinnesse, but it will never die.
I have 30 users on a ridiculously cheap server (500 DLS WHITEBOX). I plot memmory all day for it and openoffice is by far the best behaved of the apps we run there. Firefox is the worst, then comes evolution, then the fucking rhn-applet of rhel (which is impossible to turn off for all users at once) and finally, openoffice.
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Fine... have it your way.... keep spending your money for naught...
If what you want is to have a record of any network activities, get a nice nids based solution like snort/sguil.
You dont need a proxy to get all the info.
I meant of the linux kernel.... meaning, that if you share the joy of having a Linux firewall, amanda can be properly firewalled and its traffick correctly handled by your firewall.
Out of the box, the 2.6.8 and up kernel comes with a conntrack module for amanda.
I mean.... sourcefire is based in OpenSource.... there is no closing that lid.
Well i dont know.
Does it have OFFICIAL support from dell for ANY of those? Cause... thats the point here.
Support ONE distro, community will take care of the rest.
In fact, its great your laptop runs well on all linuxes. That support from each community supporting each distro would be easyer and faster for your dell laptop if dell officially supported officially one of them.
So, thats the point.
The article starts making the distinction between curable and non. Even goes on about Lance Armstron and all...
Well, slashlot will be slashdot.
We listen to Michael, hes right as well, it would be easyer if there was only one Linux distro. But it just aint the case.
Now, think about this. You mention rhel's support on dell servers. The mere fact that dell supports Rhel on their servers means ALL distros run it. And they do, one way or another.
Now extrapolate that to the desktop.... ahhh... you see now dont you?
The fact that they chose rhel is unnimportant to the community. The fact that the linux kernel is GPL and both redhat and dell have to provide source code under the same license is what makes all the difference.
Thats the point: MIKE, support whatever you like, we will take care of the rest, we will not feel alienated if you choose to use MikiLinux as your distro, just publish drivers for that one, and the ball will be on our court. Bottom line is, i will consider your laptops alongside the (SUSE LINUX CERTIFIED) HP or IBM laptop where im writing this - on a RHEL distro, actually- (do you NOW see why it doesnt matter?). Right now, i will never ever buy a dell laptop, cause they dont run linux well. None of them.
If blackberry has any brains on its company, now would be a good time to give away their server as a GPL compatible thing.
This way, we (as in you and me) could make many FOSS groupware work with their POSH protocol and give MS a true run for their money.
On the other hand, BB would see their devices sales increase by leveraging on FOSS messanging solutions and i think we would have a chance to finally push MS the fuck out of that space (email and PIMS).
Then again, it might be better to be Unix illiterate than english-chalenged.
Hehe.
We would NEVER call it FOO\BAR.
Now FOO/BAR and we may be getting somewhere.
The critical part of this debate is that, when bioses include DRM, hw manufacturers could be able to decide what OS you run on their hardware (as it will require kernels and-or loaders to be signed with a public key).
The thing here is then, to force hw manufacturers to release their public key to EVERYBODY, not just whomever they want.
This way, any user can make their own kernel and sign it with that key and keep on running.
Shure, the hw manufacturers will have the potential power to close some out of their stack (by not giving them the public key), but i personally dont think thats the way their gonna cut it.
If they were really thinking that way, none of them would be shipping linux by default. Linux promotes the growth of server sales. We are emerging to be the ONLY cometcially viable other option insofar as OSes go. Theyd be shooting themselves in the foot if they didnt release theyre keys and mechanisms so we could use them without restriction.
Shure, perhaps the bios will lock us out of certain interupts or services (like, accesing the pci-express bridge for high speed data transfer to the video card), if we dont provide a signed thingie there so that they know we are playing video in a DRM compliant video player.
Yeah, that will murder -some- fair use rights but only for those crazy fucking markets that so dearly depend on controling content (games, movies and music) to ensure growth in revenue (because they are inept enough to not have that much growth just by doing business as usual).
I side with Linus here, that world is not a bad world for servers. That world is not a bad world for Linux in the enterprise (even non comercial distros could still run and work fine as allways). That world is a bad world for people that use their computer like a multimedia station and a stereo. That will not be the role of the computer by next year. Next year it will all be iPod and sons and stereos with an internet connection.
So why the fuck should we care about drm?
I better go get "Greatest swordsman in the world" appended to my business cards pronto!
I dont know...
Are you also an ubercool, black-japaneese, katana-trained, avatar-hacking, underground-acid-music-promoter as well?
MySQL has a fully transactional engine that does the log thing, the rollback thing and the rollforward thing. This engine is ACID compliant from any way you wanna look at it.
The trick is the table format you choose. Refer to the mysql docs for that.
I mostly agree with the parent's comment except for:
First of all, the commercial database offerings are far more feature rich than MySQL, though MySQL is getting better all the time. MySQL is fabulous for the hobbyist and small business crowd, but won't be found as a core technology of a major investment bank or backing an SAP installation at a large manufacturer anytime soon.
And i dont agree because MySQL IS found in major operations of major businesses all over the world.
Okay, so perhaps not on evey single critical task for which other (both free and otherwise) databases excel better, but for simple relational, transactional applications, its a pretty damned good database. And its free and simple and has a huge community arround it.
Yeah, so we have no 'native' XML support on it, but is that really critical for every application? NO! Normal and critical client/server apps have been working well for ages on stupidly bad db engines (fox, access), whats wrong with mysql then?
No matter what anybody else says, iframes are still the only trully cross browser compatible solution to asyncronous data seting-getting.
Id say youre doing the right thing since noone is gonna drop iframe support soon.
The most important difference relative to xmlhttprequest is the XML part. This object can ensure you are actually receiving well formed xml, can also transform it (xslt implementation on all browsers) and thus, should result in a better development streamline (you make xml, render xml, no funny data format on the side).
Obviously, his PHB needs a good sh scripting howto!
Agreed. I guess what i meant is that economy is just a science dealing with measurable variables (such as utility, profit, productivity...etc).
And in that way the original article's writer was just pointing out that economic entities in the open source arena are increasingly adding (IBM), substracting(Microsoft) and further modifying (me, you, developers, other companies in violation of ther GPLv2) the FOSS landscape more than ever before.
This is not insightfull. Its plain stupid.
Economic interests are not only about money. They are about cost.
Cost can also be time, work done or not...etc.
Rick Stallman started this movement so he could have an OS he could use for some shit he needed to do at the AI lab.
"Shit" here meaning work. Which costs.
So, it just goes to show that we humans are moved mostly by what itches. Itches are economic because if you dont solve the itch, it wont let you work, study, have fun...whatever.
Dont be confused by what politics call "economic". Economy is a science that meassures societal aspects through quantifiable data; thats why money is important to economy.
But in no way does this mean that any "altruistic" work done is not work. Or that any "altruistic" vision is not economicall in the long term.
Hell, Stallman's philosophy, looking at the final objective IS economical. He'd rather see a market where the rule is cooperation, not stupid obstacles to get things done.
Now in this modern Open Source world we live in, this body of software is increasingly becomming an asset for some corporations, a liability to other corporations. And those corporations react accordingly when taking decitions regarding this software. If the corporations are large enough, they actually affect this body of software (IBM-RedHat-Oracle contributions affects it, Microsoft FUD affects it). This is unavoidable and true as well.
So no, the author is not trying to destroy anything. Hes observing what is above described.
"...while never reading what they really should be."
Care to ellaborate on a couple of titles we should be reading to understand the arguments for creationism?
Well if all creationists had this stance, id have no problem with them.
It becomes a problem when they try and call that Science, and actually attempt to teach the bible in a science classroom.
That is a big no-no. Im shure, from your own stance on creationism, that youll agree.
Who said ANYTHING about random?
You need to go back and read your darwin laws toddler... go on now...
Take:
..... IBM
- An army of undead lawyers
- 100 years developing marketing techniques
- 100 years worth of killing, mungering, partnering with nazis, giving illegal money to government officials in all the world
- A CEO a 100 years old
- 100 years worth of patents both ridicoulous and actually usefull, profitable ones.
What do you have?
Its never going to die, it has predicted most problems that have come its way and emerged victorious. Hell, even when they lost big time (MS-DOS, the PC...etc.), they recovered and theyre still much bigger than any other IT company. Even HP-Compaq.
I tell ya, IBM will never die. It may be bought by the chinnesse, but it will never die.
I have 30 users on a ridiculously cheap server (500 DLS WHITEBOX). I plot memmory all day for it and openoffice is by far the best behaved of the apps we run there. Firefox is the worst, then comes evolution, then the fucking rhn-applet of rhel (which is impossible to turn off for all users at once) and finally, openoffice.
Everyone knows that the top searches list of google is more like:
- TITS
- Cocks
- LARGE
- HOT
- Why do i have a virus in my winbox?
G.N.O.M.E RULEZ.
Even if Linus said it sucks, he has always accepted that he SUCKS at UI...and he should, i mean, hes a kernel devel.
So...:) I hope you can graduate just by quoting me.