Um....You obviously know nothing about Gnome, what it is, and how Xwindows work.
Gnome2 does not run OpenOffice, is not responsible for AbiWord behaviour either (that would be plain Gnome vanilla). Gnome2 is a developers api to which applications that want to run in its platform should port....
... That the only monopolistic practices of Microsoft are those that were publicized by the suits?
For example: Isnt it a monopolistic practice to make the Kerberos Login protocol closed so only Windows workstations can connect to Windows servers??/ Isnt that illegal leveraging into the computing server market?
Anotherone (although maybe immmaginary): Microsoft Passport will be a server side and client side technology. It will implement the server side only in Microsoft web servers and it will probably be imposible (by licencing lock-out) to implement them in a UNIX server. Isnt that illegal monopolistic leveraging into the web server market?
Chloe.... You RULE....Hacker chick!, dump that winprogrammer and marry me...
Im short, fat and sort of gnomeish....
No really, this is a very good review of the Gnome's advantages with respect with other projects.
My contribution in this case is in the sense that I dont think this is a KDE/GNOME debate anymore. They are so different in goals that they are really not comparable anymore.
All countries -but some european- follow american law in digital matters. This, as most slashdotters will testify, is pretty stupid but hey, not all countries have such a strong congressional lobbying system. I know its to much to ask for, but it would be nice for some of us if the US congress was more aware of this responsability.
With respect to digital security I think I have a couple of general principals that should apply:
1) Network security is different to conventional security in that you try to protect assets that are, in themselves, digital. This doesnt imply that this digital assets cannot affect human or material assets although, in themselves, they are digital as are the means for stealing them or tampering with them.
It follows then, that its not improper digital behaviour (if there is such a thing) what you need to make illegal, its plain old normal-space behaviour extended to cyberspace through digital tools.
So, laws governing things on the internet should be an extension of plain material laws. This is something the private sector doesnt like, they want to make their own little countries in the net, where only they can rule. Thats why they need to regulate cyber-behaviour to fit their own private interests and to grow their existing power insofar as intellectual property goes. That is to say that they want more power in cyberspace than what they have in reality.
So, in short: Cyberspace law is just law, and it should rule behaviours only. Not research, Not programmes (which are only tools), plainly evil behaviour that cause the tools to become accesories to commit crimes. (the obvious analogy is hammers and people vs. programmes and people...you dont have a hammer amendment or jurisprudence, you have a behaviour -like using a hammer to kill your children- governing law). Another analogy is shoplifters in a Music'n More store and pirates. You dont ban cassetes because you can make copies of it, you ban people copying for selling and stealing in the stores.
Also, you dont say that shoplifters are terrorists, they are robbers and thieves, not terrorists.
2.- Open markets create more wealth than closed ones.
This is the secret of the american economicall strength. It provides economic freedom so that all have an oportunity to be a competitor in most markets (i know its not perfect, but its better than most). If law allows enterprises to patent basic tools such as e-mail, or on-line selling technology, or playing DVD's with Linux, whats happening is that you are giving a patent of the hammer or the screw or toothbrushes. And everyone producing something like it can be legally burdened by the holder. Anyone can build a hammer, its been there forever. Well, same thing goes for most computer systems. They are easy to build and its easy to create alternatives to most of them. If you patent them you will be killing the enormous natural potential of software to create competition thus hurting consumers.
3.- Monopolies are real bad....there is a real tight law
I see this as a very interresting development of OSS worldwide. This can mean lots of things for the desktop market and it will shure help out the poor dorks that cant step up to their boss to tell him that IIS is imply not a good thing, so they end up stuck with w-servers.
The most interesting (though a bit sci-fi) thing I think could happen is that this could taint microsoft's market.
This is bringing core utilities that windows has never had so available. I mean, cygwin has allways been there, but make... wait 1 hour... make install... wait 5 minutes is a lot scaryer than apt-get install emacs.
This immediate availability, pushed by tools like the kde installer or the gnome-apt frontend could really mean windows users would finaly have somthing that actually DOES take care of those dependencies that end up borking your anyways-shitty system.
This may just be the thing to cracking some of microsoft plans. Their are so up into their clouds of software distribution by the net, which is exactly what debian does best. This could be the first hacked-together answer to.NET with respect to software distribution.
Some developers may choose apt/dpkg over the.NET framework (for distributing their applications) since its freely available and it may be really trivial to implement a windows-based client for it with all the bangs and sheebangs windows users are used to (like setup wizards).
This just may prove to be the thing....damn... I hope every nutcase out there thats screaming THIS LEVERAGES WINDOWS! can understand that windows is already there, its already a plataform and -therefore- a huge market where OSS can thrive.
I mean, before Linux, GNU ran on propietary UNIX kernels and, when GNU/Linux came about, it beat the hell out of UNIXes (it has beaten them....no doubts about it). Maybe its time to apply the same idea but with newer technology (RMS used to do this with tapes and stuff), namely, the most powerfull multiplatform/multilanguage (so java doesnt count) software distribution scheme ever created:
the dpkg suite.
You dont make any sense, the license for a client outlook is more expensive than the connector and evolution is free of license cost.... This makes them even in cost which is good, considering its far much better and less insecure than outlook.
Leaving that alone, there are plenty niches where only the mail client is needed where you could get off all of windows as client and just have the exchange server on a server NT box. Now thats a lot of savings.
Another niche are Linux/UNIX sysadmins that have to use exchange and windows just because of a corp. decition to use it. Now they can throw away those windows machines and use evolution on their (horrible, CDE powered) solaris box.
To those trying to (not you), dont flame ximian for making a propietary extension to evolution, they have to eat and they will do it the right way, theyll charge to people stupid enough to use exchange in the first place, they aint charging me!
There was some discussion about this on the devel list phpgroupware on which I normaly troll.
They said Miguel was not interested server-side-wise in an integration with anything else but IMAP. This is not only shortsided but dangerous since OpenOffice.Org has started making a scheduller and they are much more friendlyer towards phpgroupware.
Of course, developing a plugin for evolution is not that hard. Its real good code, it has sync plugins already so building some xml-rpc layer on a plugin for synching with phpgw (they both already support vcards and ldap and a bunch of stuff) so that who cares if miguel wont do it, you can do it yourself.
I think they are both great tools but I really would like to see evoltion become a phpgroupware client. It would leverage them both towards the sky since outlook will be integrateable -to some degree- with phpgrouwpare itself (since it will be an xml-rpc/SOAP server) and this would make more eyes turning their way. I think phpgw will be the next standard for groupware computing allover the world.
Now about Dominos (isnt that a pizza company?), lets stop beating a dead horse, it sucks, it stinks, it so ugly and badly designed and prop.
It will give you an aneurism trying to programm for it, its the worst thing that ever happened to computers next to windows 1.0. I would like to shoot their designers in all three tentacles and to reap all their eight eyeballs out.
I think this whole discussion is a matter of perspective.
Of course Linus can say that Linux was not designed, when he is viewing it from this time. Im shure he didnt think the same way back when he was starting.
I mean, as a student, any geek here can tell you that, had he taken a task such as building a UNIX clone, he wouldve had at least some premises on which to base the creation of the software. Namely:
A) Architecture: i386
B) Version that we are cloning: In the spirit of POSIX and as close to it as I can.
C) It runs on my hardware with the "stuff" I can understand (say, the Minix filesystem which was the only fs he had acces to in terms of code)
Of course, most software projects run into changes of requirements and Linux was no exception, so the list of premises may grow, shrink and change but it doesnt mean that we cannot make a list and trace every element to someone's necessities.
So, here we run into the perspective part. Is this list something all kernhackers run and check to make their stuff, or is it a way of analizing the Linux's kernel evolution in time?
We can look back and say Linux was not designed to be what it is today. And we can say that what it is today is the result of evolution, the evolution of its design.
So I guess I agree whith the spirit of what Linus is saying. He is merely pointing out that he has no control over Linux in any way other than allowing or rejecting changes. And then, not even that (ask the TurboLinux guys or the USSS).
Now, is it good that requirements grow out of your hands? In a commercial environment it shure is bad since it messes up your planning and, ultimatley, you get less money because you didnt plan for this. But under the Open Source model of development? No, its not bad because it doesnt cost anyone.
Hell, I make money with Linux but I know for shure the kernel hackers arent doing anything so that I can have a nice working system. They do it because THEY want to have a nice working system. So if they mess up I may suffer a bit, but theyll suffer the most because its their money in the table.
I think if one understands this, one can make this piece of software into some dough,
Okay, im drifting now. The point is that Linux can be analyzed in terms of how has it evolved into what it is today. Noone can argue that it isnt a good production system for many situations so noone can say it's evolution has been a faliure.
So this whole argument about creationism Vs. evolutionism is a matter of the way you look at it. From one point you can see that Linux has had an evolution from its first design premises but that it does not lack a list of guidelines that constitute a design. From another point you can say that its a system that has evolved and that the fact that you can list some set of design premises does not mean the whole system HAS been designed to do what it does now.
Its a useless discussion anyway. Linux will keep doing what its doing no matter what we discuss here.
Um... About automated installers, there is the debian install cluster arround...let me see in google...
Aha!.... Fully Automatic Installation for debian...
http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
Enjoy!
Now, about debian being perfect or not... If Will F. Goats can call XP "The Best Software you can Put In Your Desktop".....
Then Ill call debian perfect, pristine and divine...And it does beat the fuck out of any other server distro (and i think BSD also sucks so buzz off)....
Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and most animated shitti things done in america have been idolized and, i should say, form the real base of the american cultura (and americans are proud about it, go figure)...
As for the japs, they have taken this idea way farther with their anime stuff (much much better than anything made in the US), so I think they have already had virtual stars.
The computer generated part is simply a different medium to create a virtual star.
On the other hand, Final Fantasy is a piece of crap and most of the anime ive seen is hand drawn and it beats the hell out of it.
The more I see occident growing strong into an enormous trade coalition and similar-culture block, the more im convinced that this will bear no good for the Rest Of Men*.
* Rest Of Men: Those that do not:
a) Own a multinational
b) Are part of a beurocracy
c) Have already succeded in selling a bad book
d) Teach students to follow the Trends Of the
Industry since we are allways to small to
change them.
Hell, many here could spare a burner and send you many and only charge sh/h (if we can find a way to make this tax deductible we would do it as well). There are debian sites that do this as well plus a dollar for burning and stuff.
The kind of apps you need are really easy to get, get in touch with schollarnet guys (check with some of the gnome people, Arturo Espinosa in particular), they were making an.edu focused distro before our government turned even more idiotic than normal and sent the project to the freezer. Debian has many.edu focused packages as well....
No windows please, your country (mine neither) cannot afford this anymore, and we cant keep pirating can we?
W as in Why?...
.... Doesnt people just drop off closed development of cryptographic tools and just make ssh bridges where they need security, follow the maillist carefully, update when needed, set up honeypots....etc.
Is that so hard? Is it too much to ask to the tipicall ages old solris expert that just trusts the next "Industry Standard ultra-orthogonal tool with retrokey-chalenged-public-private-semiprivate key changes, plus the added value of cryptocomponents that reduce TCO (or so gartner said)".
Computers are not for people.
Hasnt the SS told GWB about this kind of technology?? I mean, just use private keys and the like. I think government officials are responsible enough to carry arround a fucking key and not give it to anyone, arent they?
Even though a good point, I dont think GWB has any idea about what security means. MS is practically his tech advisor (where not his lover, or illegitimate son in law) and they will push their crap nontheless...
So, lets stop worrying, Bush is sold to the big industries. I only hope Big Blue kicks in and bribes a larger (than microsoft) part of the federal government so at least this new "Hacker proof network" (LOL), is not "Built on NT technology"....
The real problem with no-tech-dummies-with-power is that they can make decicions, but they dont have a clue as to why they are taking them.
Of course, this guy is a politician (subclass of NoTechDummiesWithPower), and his tech advisor is probably no other than the all ubiquitous and ultra smart devil Mr. Will F. Goats.
Now, its obvious that WFG is another (although altogether different) subclass of the said NTDWP.
So, why does it surprise anyone that politicians (and CEO's of big companies, a NTDWP subclass) allways take the wrong track where technology is whats being discussed?
Lets accept NTDWP as part of our society and just try and help them as well as we can. Of course, its not a nice prospect to be against them since they are WP, but lets pitty them as they are also NTD.
Little stupid GWB, take WFG's nose out of your ass and get a decent tech advisor. Thats the only good word we can give you....
I feel this developer would be more embraced and protected if he sided with the linux community. I use a powerbook titanium and I used to have macosX. That is an Ugly Fucking UNIX. I now use debianppc and I have more software in my hands than macosX will ever have. Add to that the MOL project and I need not see macosX for anything in my life....
So, my devel friend, come and devel some cool cocoa stuff so we can have a decent object framework for th gnome or kde. Lets clone macosX taskbar's ass and put it in every distro on earth. Lets help out the HURD and make the finest microkernel kernel out there. We dont need no friggin macosx, they dont even respect the ways of the community.
Hell, the fink is about the only thing that brought real world UNIX tools (of which only gnu tools work as one wants), to that shanty ass macosx.
Im on 2.4.14 ppc....and I like the new, so much more decent way VM is handled (in.14, none other). Are you going to backtrack to 2.0 VM as some have suggested?
Would giving the user a chance to choose between different VMM schemes be real complex?
Community, get your head out of your ass.... I think VA has all the right to sell a propietaryly enhanced sourceforge -if they will ever sell one- I sell the Open GPL'd version so shoot me, why is it allway a problem with someone when somebody else (especially the one that is putting the money where their mouth is), tries to make a buck.... butt out guys, leave VA alone...
I even support them for good and hope they keep afloat forever. Themselves have made more for OSS and Free Software (grab a gun and shoot me if you want) than any other company (COMPANY, i said).
Thanks VA and I hope we all have a great future out of the stuff you guys did and will keep on doing.
I sincerily hope that when organizations such as IBM and Sun join OSS, they realize that the kind of market (the developer's market) swing that this movement does create moves in a direction fundamentally away from their software technology ideas.
Looking at all the Java that IBM has been pushing arround, just makes me sick. I hope that ugly thing just go away and desapear in the horizon.
Now, this is funny since the name Eclipse does suggest "covering up the Sun(R)" and I hope it does not only cover it up but, like the aztecs thought, that Java gets swallowed into oblivion by the cool bitter moon (that actually looks like a C sometimes).
Same goes for C++ and all those other amazingly stupid ideas that corps have pushed into our throats.
I think its the best game ive seen on linux since q3, runs without a problem in an Athlon 800 boxen we have here. Im just sad that it wont work on PPC (i think), since my preffered box (bow onto me children) is my Titanium....
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The BEST....PERIOD
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Um....You obviously know nothing about Gnome, what it is, and how Xwindows work.
Gnome2 does not run OpenOffice, is not responsible for AbiWord behaviour either (that would be plain Gnome vanilla). Gnome2 is a developers api to which applications that want to run in its platform should port....
Do you understand now????
Alex
... That the only monopolistic practices of Microsoft are those that were publicized by the suits?
For example: Isnt it a monopolistic practice to make the Kerberos Login protocol closed so only Windows workstations can connect to Windows servers??/ Isnt that illegal leveraging into the computing server market?
Anotherone (although maybe immmaginary): Microsoft Passport will be a server side and client side technology. It will implement the server side only in Microsoft web servers and it will probably be imposible (by licencing lock-out) to implement them in a UNIX server. Isnt that illegal monopolistic leveraging into the web server market?
Alex
Chloe.... You RULE....Hacker chick!, dump that winprogrammer and marry me...
Im short, fat and sort of gnomeish....
No really, this is a very good review of the Gnome's advantages with respect with other projects.
My contribution in this case is in the sense that I dont think this is a KDE/GNOME debate anymore. They are so different in goals that they are really not comparable anymore.
Alex
All countries -but some european- follow american law in digital matters. This, as most slashdotters will testify, is pretty stupid but hey, not all countries have such a strong congressional lobbying system. I know its to much to ask for, but it would be nice for some of us if the US congress was more aware of this responsability.
With respect to digital security I think I have a couple of general principals that should apply:
1) Network security is different to conventional security in that you try to protect assets that are, in themselves, digital. This doesnt imply that this digital assets cannot affect human or material assets although, in themselves, they are digital as are the means for stealing them or tampering with them.
It follows then, that its not improper digital behaviour (if there is such a thing) what you need to make illegal, its plain old normal-space behaviour extended to cyberspace through digital tools.
So, laws governing things on the internet should be an extension of plain material laws. This is something the private sector doesnt like, they want to make their own little countries in the net, where only they can rule. Thats why they need to regulate cyber-behaviour to fit their own private interests and to grow their existing power insofar as intellectual property goes. That is to say that they want more power in cyberspace than what they have in reality.
So, in short: Cyberspace law is just law, and it should rule behaviours only. Not research, Not programmes (which are only tools), plainly evil behaviour that cause the tools to become accesories to commit crimes. (the obvious analogy is hammers and people vs. programmes and people...you dont have a hammer amendment or jurisprudence, you have a behaviour -like using a hammer to kill your children- governing law). Another analogy is shoplifters in a Music'n More store and pirates. You dont ban cassetes because you can make copies of it, you ban people copying for selling and stealing in the stores.
Also, you dont say that shoplifters are terrorists, they are robbers and thieves, not terrorists.
2.- Open markets create more wealth than closed ones.
This is the secret of the american economicall strength. It provides economic freedom so that all have an oportunity to be a competitor in most markets (i know its not perfect, but its better than most). If law allows enterprises to patent basic tools such as e-mail, or on-line selling technology, or playing DVD's with Linux, whats happening is that you are giving a patent of the hammer or the screw or toothbrushes. And everyone producing something like it can be legally burdened by the holder. Anyone can build a hammer, its been there forever. Well, same thing goes for most computer systems. They are easy to build and its easy to create alternatives to most of them. If you patent them you will be killing the enormous natural potential of software to create competition thus hurting consumers.
3.- Monopolies are real bad....there is a real tight law
Alex.
I see this as a very interresting development of OSS worldwide. This can mean lots of things for the desktop market and it will shure help out the poor dorks that cant step up to their boss to tell him that IIS is imply not a good thing, so they end up stuck with w-servers.
.NET with respect to software distribution.
.NET framework (for distributing their applications) since its freely available and it may be really trivial to implement a windows-based client for it with all the bangs and sheebangs windows users are used to (like setup wizards).
The most interesting (though a bit sci-fi) thing I think could happen is that this could taint microsoft's market.
This is bringing core utilities that windows has never had so available. I mean, cygwin has allways been there, but make... wait 1 hour... make install... wait 5 minutes is a lot scaryer than apt-get install emacs.
This immediate availability, pushed by tools like the kde installer or the gnome-apt frontend could really mean windows users would finaly have somthing that actually DOES take care of those dependencies that end up borking your anyways-shitty system.
This may just be the thing to cracking some of microsoft plans. Their are so up into their clouds of software distribution by the net, which is exactly what debian does best. This could be the first hacked-together answer to
Some developers may choose apt/dpkg over the
This just may prove to be the thing....damn... I hope every nutcase out there thats screaming THIS LEVERAGES WINDOWS! can understand that windows is already there, its already a plataform and -therefore- a huge market where OSS can thrive.
I mean, before Linux, GNU ran on propietary UNIX kernels and, when GNU/Linux came about, it beat the hell out of UNIXes (it has beaten them....no doubts about it). Maybe its time to apply the same idea but with newer technology (RMS used to do this with tapes and stuff), namely, the most powerfull multiplatform/multilanguage (so java doesnt count) software distribution scheme ever created:
the dpkg suite.
Alex
Mhm....you are absolutely right, I didnt know the CAL also covered the Outlook license....
I stand corrected...
Alex
You dont make any sense, the license for a client outlook is more expensive than the connector and evolution is free of license cost.... This makes them even in cost which is good, considering its far much better and less insecure than outlook.
Leaving that alone, there are plenty niches where only the mail client is needed where you could get off all of windows as client and just have the exchange server on a server NT box. Now thats a lot of savings.
Another niche are Linux/UNIX sysadmins that have to use exchange and windows just because of a corp. decition to use it. Now they can throw away those windows machines and use evolution on their (horrible, CDE powered) solaris box.
To those trying to (not you), dont flame ximian for making a propietary extension to evolution, they have to eat and they will do it the right way, theyll charge to people stupid enough to use exchange in the first place, they aint charging me!
Alex
There was some discussion about this on the devel list phpgroupware on which I normaly troll.
They said Miguel was not interested server-side-wise in an integration with anything else but IMAP. This is not only shortsided but dangerous since OpenOffice.Org has started making a scheduller and they are much more friendlyer towards phpgroupware.
Of course, developing a plugin for evolution is not that hard. Its real good code, it has sync plugins already so building some xml-rpc layer on a plugin for synching with phpgw (they both already support vcards and ldap and a bunch of stuff) so that who cares if miguel wont do it, you can do it yourself.
I think they are both great tools but I really would like to see evoltion become a phpgroupware client. It would leverage them both towards the sky since outlook will be integrateable -to some degree- with phpgrouwpare itself (since it will be an xml-rpc/SOAP server) and this would make more eyes turning their way. I think phpgw will be the next standard for groupware computing allover the world.
Now about Dominos (isnt that a pizza company?), lets stop beating a dead horse, it sucks, it stinks, it so ugly and badly designed and prop.
It will give you an aneurism trying to programm for it, its the worst thing that ever happened to computers next to windows 1.0. I would like to shoot their designers in all three tentacles and to reap all their eight eyeballs out.
So much for "stop" beating it....sigh...
Well there...thats my two bits....
Alex
I think this whole discussion is a matter of perspective.
Of course Linus can say that Linux was not designed, when he is viewing it from this time. Im shure he didnt think the same way back when he was starting.
I mean, as a student, any geek here can tell you that, had he taken a task such as building a UNIX clone, he wouldve had at least some premises on which to base the creation of the software. Namely:
A) Architecture: i386
B) Version that we are cloning: In the spirit of POSIX and as close to it as I can.
C) It runs on my hardware with the "stuff" I can understand (say, the Minix filesystem which was the only fs he had acces to in terms of code)
Of course, most software projects run into changes of requirements and Linux was no exception, so the list of premises may grow, shrink and change but it doesnt mean that we cannot make a list and trace every element to someone's necessities.
So, here we run into the perspective part. Is this list something all kernhackers run and check to make their stuff, or is it a way of analizing the Linux's kernel evolution in time?
We can look back and say Linux was not designed to be what it is today. And we can say that what it is today is the result of evolution, the evolution of its design.
So I guess I agree whith the spirit of what Linus is saying. He is merely pointing out that he has no control over Linux in any way other than allowing or rejecting changes. And then, not even that (ask the TurboLinux guys or the USSS).
Now, is it good that requirements grow out of your hands? In a commercial environment it shure is bad since it messes up your planning and, ultimatley, you get less money because you didnt plan for this. But under the Open Source model of development? No, its not bad because it doesnt cost anyone.
Hell, I make money with Linux but I know for shure the kernel hackers arent doing anything so that I can have a nice working system. They do it because THEY want to have a nice working system. So if they mess up I may suffer a bit, but theyll suffer the most because its their money in the table.
I think if one understands this, one can make this piece of software into some dough,
Okay, im drifting now. The point is that Linux can be analyzed in terms of how has it evolved into what it is today. Noone can argue that it isnt a good production system for many situations so noone can say it's evolution has been a faliure.
So this whole argument about creationism Vs. evolutionism is a matter of the way you look at it. From one point you can see that Linux has had an evolution from its first design premises but that it does not lack a list of guidelines that constitute a design. From another point you can say that its a system that has evolved and that the fact that you can list some set of design premises does not mean the whole system HAS been designed to do what it does now.
Its a useless discussion anyway. Linux will keep doing what its doing no matter what we discuss here.
Alex
Um... About automated installers, there is the debian install cluster arround...let me see in google...
Aha!.... Fully Automatic Installation for debian...
http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
Enjoy!
Now, about debian being perfect or not... If Will F. Goats can call XP "The Best Software you can Put In Your Desktop".....
Then Ill call debian perfect, pristine and divine...And it does beat the fuck out of any other server distro (and i think BSD also sucks so buzz off)....
Alex
Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and most animated shitti things done in america have been idolized and, i should say, form the real base of the american cultura (and americans are proud about it, go figure)...
As for the japs, they have taken this idea way farther with their anime stuff (much much better than anything made in the US), so I think they have already had virtual stars.
The computer generated part is simply a different medium to create a virtual star.
On the other hand, Final Fantasy is a piece of crap and most of the anime ive seen is hand drawn and it beats the hell out of it.
Alex
It certantly is not a Linux Distro either
BLAM! Offtopic..... Linux is not UNIX (LNU..;)..BSD is...
The more I see occident growing strong into an enormous trade coalition and similar-culture block, the more im convinced that this will bear no good for the Rest Of Men*.
* Rest Of Men: Those that do not:
a) Own a multinational
b) Are part of a beurocracy
c) Have already succeded in selling a bad book
d) Teach students to follow the Trends Of the
Industry since we are allways to small to
change them.
Alex
Hell, many here could spare a burner and send you many and only charge sh/h (if we can find a way to make this tax deductible we would do it as well). There are debian sites that do this as well plus a dollar for burning and stuff.
.edu focused distro before our government turned even more idiotic than normal and sent the project to the freezer. Debian has many .edu focused packages as well....
The kind of apps you need are really easy to get, get in touch with schollarnet guys (check with some of the gnome people, Arturo Espinosa in particular), they were making an
No windows please, your country (mine neither) cannot afford this anymore, and we cant keep pirating can we?
Alex
W as in Why? ...
.... Doesnt people just drop off closed development of cryptographic tools and just make ssh bridges where they need security, follow the maillist carefully, update when needed, set up honeypots....etc.
Is that so hard? Is it too much to ask to the tipicall ages old solris expert that just trusts the next "Industry Standard ultra-orthogonal tool with retrokey-chalenged-public-private-semiprivate key changes, plus the added value of cryptocomponents that reduce TCO (or so gartner said)".
Computers are not for people.
Alex
SSH, VPN's with decent encription...etc.?
Hasnt the SS told GWB about this kind of technology?? I mean, just use private keys and the like. I think government officials are responsible enough to carry arround a fucking key and not give it to anyone, arent they?
Alex
Even though a good point, I dont think GWB has any idea about what security means. MS is practically his tech advisor (where not his lover, or illegitimate son in law) and they will push their crap nontheless...
So, lets stop worrying, Bush is sold to the big industries. I only hope Big Blue kicks in and bribes a larger (than microsoft) part of the federal government so at least this new "Hacker proof network" (LOL), is not "Built on NT technology"....
Alex
The real problem with no-tech-dummies-with-power is that they can make decicions, but they dont have a clue as to why they are taking them.
Of course, this guy is a politician (subclass of NoTechDummiesWithPower), and his tech advisor is probably no other than the all ubiquitous and ultra smart devil Mr. Will F. Goats.
Now, its obvious that WFG is another (although altogether different) subclass of the said NTDWP.
So, why does it surprise anyone that politicians (and CEO's of big companies, a NTDWP subclass) allways take the wrong track where technology is whats being discussed?
Lets accept NTDWP as part of our society and just try and help them as well as we can. Of course, its not a nice prospect to be against them since they are WP, but lets pitty them as they are also NTD.
Little stupid GWB, take WFG's nose out of your ass and get a decent tech advisor. Thats the only good word we can give you....
Alex
I feel this developer would be more embraced and protected if he sided with the linux community. I use a powerbook titanium and I used to have macosX. That is an Ugly Fucking UNIX. I now use debianppc and I have more software in my hands than macosX will ever have. Add to that the MOL project and I need not see macosX for anything in my life....
So, my devel friend, come and devel some cool cocoa stuff so we can have a decent object framework for th gnome or kde. Lets clone macosX taskbar's ass and put it in every distro on earth. Lets help out the HURD and make the finest microkernel kernel out there. We dont need no friggin macosx, they dont even respect the ways of the community.
Hell, the fink is about the only thing that brought real world UNIX tools (of which only gnu tools work as one wants), to that shanty ass macosx.
Alex
Im on 2.4.14 ppc....and I like the new, so much more decent way VM is handled (in .14, none other). Are you going to backtrack to 2.0 VM as some have suggested?
Would giving the user a chance to choose between different VMM schemes be real complex?
Alex
Community, get your head out of your ass.... I think VA has all the right to sell a propietaryly enhanced sourceforge -if they will ever sell one- I sell the Open GPL'd version so shoot me, why is it allway a problem with someone when somebody else (especially the one that is putting the money where their mouth is), tries to make a buck.... butt out guys, leave VA alone...
I even support them for good and hope they keep afloat forever. Themselves have made more for OSS and Free Software (grab a gun and shoot me if you want) than any other company (COMPANY, i said).
Thanks VA and I hope we all have a great future out of the stuff you guys did and will keep on doing.
Alex Borges
I sincerily hope that when organizations such as IBM and Sun join OSS, they realize that the kind of market (the developer's market) swing that this movement does create moves in a direction fundamentally away from their software technology ideas.
Looking at all the Java that IBM has been pushing arround, just makes me sick. I hope that ugly thing just go away and desapear in the horizon.
Now, this is funny since the name Eclipse does suggest "covering up the Sun(R)" and I hope it does not only cover it up but, like the aztecs thought, that Java gets swallowed into oblivion by the cool bitter moon (that actually looks like a C sometimes).
Same goes for C++ and all those other amazingly stupid ideas that corps have pushed into our throats.
Alex
I think its the best game ive seen on linux since q3, runs without a problem in an Athlon 800 boxen we have here. Im just sad that it wont work on PPC (i think), since my preffered box (bow onto me children) is my Titanium....
Alex