Back when I was at No Starch Press (an O'Reilly partner), I remember working with Bob Smith, et al. on this book, and it makes me happy to see that it's seen the light of day.
This marks the 2nd time in a couple weeks that a No Starch book has been featured here. I hope to see a bunch more.
Just wanted to point out that Hyperic HQ, an open source systems management project, supports Feisty Fawn "out of the box" today. Actually, we support most Linux distributions out of the box.
I noted that not only did the article call out past winners to provide some context, but he also predicted which of the "new breed" of commercial open source would succeed - MuleSource, Alfresco and Hyperic. That was kind of glossed over in the "winning" submission, but it's really the whole point of the article - using past successes in an attempt to pick future winners.
Tony Wasserman says you can put a numeric value on an open source project. As an intellectual, I respect him a great deal, but I'm not so sure that things like the Business Readiness Rating will be that beneficial. It seems highly variable and likely to change over time - to say nothing about how every customer's needs differ greatly.
Are you honestly going to call the police reaction appropriate? What is wrong with people today? I can't believe you're going to argue on behalf of a complete over-reaction. There is no logic to what you're saying.
I suppose that's part of the problem. Most of us are so scared and freaked that logic left the scene long long ago.
At no point in that article or elsewhere would I ever use an argument to say that it gives me carte blanche to do whatever I or anyone else wanted. You are a troll and have no grasp of the points I made.
Dude... you apparently have not read all the articles out there describing the "open source community" as some single-minded, idealistic monolith. Yes, it's a provocative title. Deal with it.
And you know, there isn't one single open source community, there are many communities around open source projects. Just like there are many communities around non-open source technologies. The lower bar to entry of open source means that its communities will most likely continue to grow. Duh... read the article. Or re-read it.
that RMS and co were looking to fill that last piece with a microkernel architecture. I've read RMS himself state that they specifically created GNU Hurd to fill the last gap. Linus has stated that GNU made a mistake in going with Hurd. If you watch Revolution OS, you can see RMS' pained facial expression as he describes how Linus was able to do what he was not.
I have nothing against the free software movement. In fact, I rather like it. But frankly, this notion that open source inhabits a moral high ground is rather dated and inaccurate.
The media tries to portray open source as an ideological movement, and I think this is very very wrong. They also try to portray it as the direct result of specific individuals. Again, that is wrong. As I've written elsewhere, I don't mean to imply that individuals don't matter, rather that they only had the opportunity because of trends that were already in place. Yes, Linus had to actually take the steps to release code and be a good caretaker, but his doing that in a vacuum would not have led to the same results.
In fact, there are many technology communities around the world. It's just easier to form a community around individual open source projects - there's no bar to entry other than your ability and/or desire to learn how to use them.
But when surveying individuals that use open source, it turns out that many of them have no ideological reasons for using it, and that was one of my points. I'm not saying that they don't exist. I'm not even saying that they haven't made important contributions. I'm just saying that this environment conducive to open source development was made possible by the internet and its distributed knowledge base.
I did not mean to make it a polarized issue. I'm just tired of seeing way too much credit go to certain individuals without any recognition of what allowed them to get there.
I'm not sure where I put things in black and white. If anything, I'm re-painting the landscape in grays. Most people want to portray open source in moral terms, and I'm trying to strip that away. If anything, what I wrote is the antithesis of black and white. You could argue that I made my points in an authoritative fashion, but that's a different point entirely.
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Back when I was at No Starch Press (an O'Reilly partner), I remember working with Bob Smith, et al. on this book, and it makes me happy to see that it's seen the light of day.
This marks the 2nd time in a couple weeks that a No Starch book has been featured here. I hope to see a bunch more.
-JM
to the French institute of language.
And how do you think words change meaning over time, if not for a misunderstanding of the original meaning?
You sure act like it ;)
Words change. Get over it.
Just wanted to point out that Hyperic HQ, an open source systems management project, supports Feisty Fawn "out of the box" today. Actually, we support most Linux distributions out of the box.
If you're looking to monitor and/or manage your Ubuntu machines, you may want to check us out - http://www.hyperic.com/downloads/
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Manager
Looks like they've come out with another fine book. I've known those guys for a long time... now if they could just publish a book on Hyperic... ;)
of course Nagios is flexible. It's the time to setup and maintenance that costs you.
:)
And as far as "hatred of nagios" I've witnessed that firsthand when I've run BoF's on Nagios, and I've run a few - at LISA and LinuxWorld.
But I love your snarky comments. They r0x0r
Oh, and I almost hate to ask, but can you install RPM's on Windows? (har har)
-John Mark
...or is it fanbois? :)
And yeah, our users are responding. Thanks for noticing.
-John Mark
Heh... "VistA" was around long before Windows Vista was a twinkle in Monkey Boy's eye.
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Outreach
I noted that not only did the article call out past winners to provide some context, but he also predicted which of the "new breed" of commercial open source would succeed - MuleSource, Alfresco and Hyperic. That was kind of glossed over in the "winning" submission, but it's really the whole point of the article - using past successes in an attempt to pick future winners.
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Outreach
Tony Wasserman says you can put a numeric value on an open source project. As an intellectual, I respect him a great deal, but I'm not so sure that things like the Business Readiness Rating will be that beneficial. It seems highly variable and likely to change over time - to say nothing about how every customer's needs differ greatly.
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Outreach
Stop using the language of the enemy. It hands them an unfair advantage.
Are you honestly going to call the police reaction appropriate? What is wrong with people today? I can't believe you're going to argue on behalf of a complete over-reaction. There is no logic to what you're saying.
I suppose that's part of the problem. Most of us are so scared and freaked that logic left the scene long long ago.
Well, that's the way the cookie crumbles. As has been suggested elsewhere, perhaps Google can simply buy him? I wonder how much it's worth to them.
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Outreach
Step 1: piss off Apple
Step 2:... ugh, even I'm tired of this joke *sigh*
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Outreach
http://www.ajax-en.vesproshop.nl/domains/vespro_aj ax_en/content/productimages/large/307766.jpg ;)
-John Mark
Hyperic Community Outreach
http://www.hyperic.com/
You had me at "hello" ;)
Hyperic has to turn down customers, although that won't be the case for long, as we bring in more people.
So far, no one bats an eye at our enterprise version pricing.
We've been profitable since day 1.
http://www.hyperic.com/
-John Mark
Community Manager
Hyperic
Wicked Cool Shell Scripts... Wicked Cool PHP (out soon) and a few others.
-JM (former no starch press editor)
At no point in that article or elsewhere would I ever use an argument to say that it gives me carte blanche to do whatever I or anyone else wanted. You are a troll and have no grasp of the points I made.
Dude... you apparently have not read all the articles out there describing the "open source community" as some single-minded, idealistic monolith. Yes, it's a provocative title. Deal with it.
And you know, there isn't one single open source community, there are many communities around open source projects. Just like there are many communities around non-open source technologies. The lower bar to entry of open source means that its communities will most likely continue to grow. Duh... read the article. Or re-read it.
that RMS and co were looking to fill that last piece with a microkernel architecture. I've read RMS himself state that they specifically created GNU Hurd to fill the last gap. Linus has stated that GNU made a mistake in going with Hurd. If you watch Revolution OS, you can see RMS' pained facial expression as he describes how Linus was able to do what he was not.
Actually, I was trying to make the point that open source is suddenly in many people's economic interests, and that will only increase.
I think you need to re-read my article ;)
I have nothing against the free software movement. In fact, I rather like it. But frankly, this notion that open source inhabits a moral high ground is rather dated and inaccurate.
The media tries to portray open source as an ideological movement, and I think this is very very wrong. They also try to portray it as the direct result of specific individuals. Again, that is wrong. As I've written elsewhere, I don't mean to imply that individuals don't matter, rather that they only had the opportunity because of trends that were already in place. Yes, Linus had to actually take the steps to release code and be a good caretaker, but his doing that in a vacuum would not have led to the same results.
In fact, there are many technology communities around the world. It's just easier to form a community around individual open source projects - there's no bar to entry other than your ability and/or desire to learn how to use them.
But when surveying individuals that use open source, it turns out that many of them have no ideological reasons for using it, and that was one of my points. I'm not saying that they don't exist. I'm not even saying that they haven't made important contributions. I'm just saying that this environment conducive to open source development was made possible by the internet and its distributed knowledge base.
I did not mean to make it a polarized issue. I'm just tired of seeing way too much credit go to certain individuals without any recognition of what allowed them to get there.
I'm not sure where I put things in black and white. If anything, I'm re-painting the landscape in grays. Most people want to portray open source in moral terms, and I'm trying to strip that away. If anything, what I wrote is the antithesis of black and white. You could argue that I made my points in an authoritative fashion, but that's a different point entirely.