But since the Analytical Engine was never built (within her lifetime). She was never faces with debugging, code maintenance, or any of the other boring parts of the programmers trade. So can she really be given the credit of "world's first computer programmer". Or is it unfair to blame a software person because the hardware developers let the schedule slip.
Even better, if the artifacts and other nonleathal stuff like books and posters was traided, you might have a few more NN but it would be more clear how they were. Finding these people and taking the wind out of there sails is a good an fair way to go about reducing the power of these ideas.
For those who have read Larry Niven's Ringworld or Spider Robinson's Mindkiller (and I am sure there are others) this sounds like the concept that thay have explored. Not to be alarmist but, the downsides of this being abused could be as big as any drug in history. I think while there could also be up side in that it is a drug that can be turned off. I personally like the chapter in Mindkiller where the main character finds a nearly dead wirehead while braking into her apartment.
I thought moles were the most successful spy creatures. In fact I think, if Iranian intelligence was wasting it's time on this, it needs to go find the mole that has been successful in its mission.
It seems it would fit in, nobody would know it was there. Both the money and the power consumption would be hidden. And it could count toward the US build up without putting any extra service personal at risk.
Sent to you from the UK, so the bright boys and girls at Fort Meade can take it as a suggestion.
In 28 years she could have taken all the courses to get the degrees she needed. She might have had to pull some slight of hand to keep people from asking why she was doing it all again. Then the only problem would be the name of the schools, and the dates. She could then just say it was a clever hack.
You point is correct. I was trying to keep the post from becoming to complex.
Depends on way they do not want the keys. 1) To prevent unauthorized changes. 2) To prevent the devices being used in the future. 3) To get a lower price on the service contract. I am sure there are others....
If all the devices had the same key. What is to prevent the key form escaping the vendor control anyway, requested or not. I suspect a industrial device could have a device specific key, or at least a key for each customer. When you pay the prices that companies do for these big ticket items then the cost of a custom ROM (or even cpu) for the verification process would be next to nothing.
If it is reuse prevention a sledge hammer would work better.
Maybe the keys should be provided then the customer can destroy them if they do not want them. "Here Mr. Customer are the software upgrade keys as per the GPLV3. I know you do not want them so just drop them in the shredder."
If it about support contracts then the only if requested would work just fine. The vendor could then check their list of released keys and refuse to support the released ones.
The "User Products" thing seems to stem from the fact that some large government and industrial customers do not want to have control of these keys.
If that is the case why not simply allow the keys to be held by the provider till they are requested. Then the customer can not request the keys, but if requested the must be provided.This would allow the companies and governments that do not want there rights to have it their way. While other customers would not be forced to by only "User Products". Or if someone was to by a surplus device they could reactivate it using free software. The supplier could cancel or limit the support or warranty if the keys were requested. Also the user could be required to understand and accept the risks in order to get the keys.
Maybe this was added for OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) so that the keys can't be passed as the OLPC is not a consumer device?
Asking theoretically;
If a site is number 1 according to the algorithmic ranking engine, that says something about is place in world (or at list World Wide Web) opinion. Then the search company lowers the sites ranking standing for some reason (lets assume that this is because of the political views of the search company). Could the site make a claim that is was being slandered because it was not being ranked as the algorithmic ranking engine indicates?
Right on, I like to say pen, note cards, a calculator, and maybe a clock. I then observe the process. Only then do I write an initial specification. I take that back to the customer for their review. If they have questions I determine if the question is about the specification, the process, or a lack of understanding. Then we make corrections and improvements.
I also ask questions to determine if the customer understands the specification and the process it describes.
The customer then has to agree to the specification.
Then work can start on the code. If during the process there needs to be a change, if I or the customer finds a problem or wants a change or feels money can be saved if something is done a different way, this process is repeated to create a change order.
As to questions, I always try to ask questions that do not have yes/no answers. For example (If I was working for a rare coin shop) when a new coin is bought by the your coin shop what happens to it next? What should happen to it? Or after the specification has been written, what will you do with a new coin based on this specification?
Yes, you may even have to help them change practices and policies. If you make this a value added, sell it as a additional benefit of automation or reautomation. (Rare coins shop again) when you add the new coin to the inventory right away the system will check it against the "customer coins wanted list" and you may be able to flip it (pun intended) to a customer who wants it.
There will be more than one contract: your employment contract, the project specification, change orders, and others. Don't skip the documentation.
How about jest the fact that corn suger is not nector. When I need to feed my bees they get real suger. I was tempted by the premixed easy looking idea of corn sweetener. And I am sure it looks good to comertial beekeepers. But in the end it is not nector. Burnt suger make bees sick and kill them, maybe some of the corn sweetener is getting two hot in processing. But the fact that the hives are discribed as empty makes is interesting. Almost any diseasse I can think of would cause a hive full of dead bees or a pile of dead bees at the door. Maybe there is something in the environment that is tricking the chemical signals the bees normaly use to comunicate into doing the wrong thing.
Having started beekeeping 5 years ago. I am looking forward to the next season. I have had to dial with mites and cold and queens killed by new beekeeper mistakes. This may be another challange, but like any from of agraculture there is a basic level of unprodictabiliry, hail, draut, disease, and the markets.
This will be another chalange and will likely drive up the cost/value of this hobby.
All I can say is buy local honey it is better, realy better. Find out about beekeeping is is a very different from computing. I find the differentses rewarding, if you are looking for something in a hobby that will test your skills in a very different way try beekeeping.
We should have make it a big patriotic thing back in 1976...
There would have been cool posters "We though out the King 200 years ago, It time to though out his feet and inches"
There could have been big ruler burning rallies. All the and all stuff for the bicentenary could have been metric boosting the metric economy.
It will be nice to loose the key or keys for laptops that contain evedence of wringdoing.
Or
Will there be an independant storage agancy/site for "administrator keys" Or we be depending on the smart Boys and Girls and Langly every time someone and their admin don't want or cant't tell us what the passwords are.
Why no PGP/GPG Signature? For someone working at this level, posting a public key and signing messages would be a good idea. This is not to suggest that the email is not authentic, but to suggest the question could be set to rest.
For banks money is like water is to a water company. As long as the amount lost costs less then fixing the pipes. Don't spend money fixing the pipes. If that water cost more or the results of leaking that water cost more then the pipes would be fixed. For a bank the $500 error is in your checking account is no problem, they spend more on gifts for there executive assistant. You mean it's more than a weeks pay for you. Sorry you should have been more careful with it. Yes you. Do you think it is worth our money to spend a million dollers so your $500 does not get lost. Next you will want free checking.
As a member of the SCA who participates in Heavy List Fighting. From time to time I end up talking to non members often parents and there children. All to often I get the question, "isn't this dangerus?" I all to often reply "not as dangerus as driving here."
People will jump in a car and drive to the store. Then till you how dangerus it is to do X or Y.
What I would love to see would be an analysys of the number of highway deaths that accured becase more people drove and are driving futher and more often since 9/11.
I have not looked a a print your own boarding pass in some time. But I seem to remember they have logos, Tradmarked words, and would be a copyright docment. So if all they Terror and the like charges do not stick. Could they infringment charges (some civil some criminal) be brought to bear.
If a device had one small seprate and spacific hardware function that would checksome the code and check the checksome against the key if the code was an offical relaease a small led or other indicater would come on, if not the indicator would not. Would trying to release software under the GPL3 for the device controvine the GPL3?
The idea would be that voting machines, medical devices, and other items where the authenticity of the software is critical could indicate the authentcity of the software, while not preventing the software from running.
Would people argue that not being able to control the indicator with the users own software violated the GPL3?
Point one: In one sence you are correct. But it is still a series of numbers and it is copyright, It might have meaning in another format, is the copyright holder required to explain the meaning, and/or convince the judge or jurie that of the meaning. (this could make it hard to maintian copyright or religus documents)
Point two: I that is true also, But I can also put copies of a story I wrote up on the bulleten board a work. People are free to take them and read them. I can even give permition to make a copy(as in one copy from the original) for personal use. But if someone puts my story in a book. or makes a copy of a copy they are violating my copyright.
Does not matter the "junk" in the file no matter how little sence it makes is still their copyright "junk". Now one might be able to claim it has little economic value.
I would say that the individual sent a request for a copy of the recoding to the governors office. The office was foolish and send a copy of the speech to the requestor. Sounds to my like a staff training problem. Staff member will have to go for reeducation, and be reprogrammed.
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But since the Analytical Engine was never built (within her lifetime). She was never faces with debugging, code maintenance, or any of the other boring parts of the programmers trade. So can she really be given the credit of "world's first computer programmer". Or is it unfair to blame a software person because the hardware developers let the schedule slip.
Even better, if the artifacts and other nonleathal stuff like books and posters was traided, you might have a few more NN but it would be more clear how they were. Finding these people and taking the wind out of there sails is a good an fair way to go about reducing the power of these ideas.
"Do no evil" does not imply doing any good. That is if you are willing to consider that there is some amount of space between good and evil
For those who have read Larry Niven's Ringworld or Spider Robinson's Mindkiller (and I am sure there are others) this sounds like the concept that thay have explored. Not to be alarmist but, the downsides of this being abused could be as big as any drug in history. I think while there could also be up side in that it is a drug that can be turned off. I personally like the chapter in Mindkiller where the main character finds a nearly dead wirehead while braking into her apartment.
I thought moles were the most successful spy creatures. In fact I think, if Iranian intelligence was wasting it's time on this, it needs to go find the mole that has been successful in its mission.
It seems it would fit in, nobody would know it was there. Both the money and the power consumption would be hidden.
And it could count toward the US build up without putting any extra service personal at risk.
Sent to you from the UK, so the bright boys and girls at Fort Meade can take it as a suggestion.
In 28 years she could have taken all the courses to get the degrees she needed. She might have had to pull some slight of hand to keep people from asking why she was doing it all again. Then the only problem would be the name of the schools, and the dates. She could then just say it was a clever hack.
Meep
You point is correct. I was trying to keep the post from becoming to complex.
Depends on way they do not want the keys.
1) To prevent unauthorized changes.
2) To prevent the devices being used in the future.
3) To get a lower price on the service contract.
I am sure there are others....
If all the devices had the same key. What is to prevent the key form escaping the vendor control anyway, requested or not.
I suspect a industrial device could have a device specific key, or at least a key for each customer. When you pay the prices that companies do for these big ticket items then the cost of a custom ROM (or even cpu) for the verification process would be next to nothing.
If it is reuse prevention a sledge hammer would work better.
Maybe the keys should be provided then the customer can destroy them if they do not want them. "Here Mr. Customer are the software upgrade keys as per the GPLV3. I know you do not want them so just drop them in the shredder."
If it about support contracts then the only if requested would work just fine. The vendor could then check their list of released keys and refuse to support the released ones.
The "User Products" thing seems to stem from the fact that some large government and industrial customers do not want to have control of these keys.
If that is the case why not simply allow the keys to be held by the provider till they are requested. Then the customer can not request the keys, but if requested the must be provided.This would allow the companies and governments that do not want there rights to have it their way. While other customers would not be forced to by only "User Products". Or if someone was to by a surplus device they could reactivate it using free software. The supplier could cancel or limit the support or warranty if the keys were requested. Also the user could be required to understand and accept the risks in order to get the keys.
Maybe this was added for OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) so that the keys can't be passed as the OLPC is not a consumer device?
Asking theoretically;
If a site is number 1 according to the algorithmic ranking engine, that says something about is place in world (or at list World Wide Web) opinion. Then the search company lowers the sites ranking standing for some reason (lets assume that this is because of the political views of the search company). Could the site make a claim that is was being slandered because it was not being ranked as the algorithmic ranking engine indicates?
Right on, I like to say pen, note cards, a calculator, and maybe a clock. I then observe the process. Only then do I write an initial specification. I take that back to the customer for their review. If they have questions I determine if the question is about the specification, the process, or a lack of understanding. Then we make corrections and improvements.
I also ask questions to determine if the customer understands the specification and the process it describes.
The customer then has to agree to the specification.
Then work can start on the code. If during the process there needs to be a change, if I or the customer finds a problem or wants a change or feels money can be saved if something is done a different way, this process is repeated to create a change order.
As to questions, I always try to ask questions that do not have yes/no answers. For example (If I was working for a rare coin shop) when a new coin is bought by the your coin shop what happens to it next? What should happen to it? Or after the specification has been written, what will you do with a new coin based on this specification?
Yes, you may even have to help them change practices and policies. If you make this a value added, sell it as a additional benefit of automation or reautomation. (Rare coins shop again) when you add the new coin to the inventory right away the system will check it against the "customer coins wanted list" and you may be able to flip it (pun intended) to a customer who wants it.
There will be more than one contract: your employment contract, the project specification, change orders, and others. Don't skip the documentation.
How about jest the fact that corn suger is not nector. When I need to feed my bees they get real suger. I was tempted by the premixed easy looking idea of corn sweetener. And I am sure it looks good to comertial beekeepers. But in the end it is not nector.
Burnt suger make bees sick and kill them, maybe some of the corn sweetener is getting two hot in processing.
But the fact that the hives are discribed as empty makes is interesting. Almost any diseasse I can think of would cause a hive full of dead bees or a pile of dead bees at the door.
Maybe there is something in the environment that is tricking the chemical signals the bees normaly use to comunicate into doing the wrong thing.
Having started beekeeping 5 years ago. I am looking forward to the next season.
I have had to dial with mites and cold and queens killed by new beekeeper mistakes.
This may be another challange, but like any from of agraculture there is a basic level of
unprodictabiliry, hail, draut, disease, and the markets.
This will be another chalange and will likely drive up the cost/value of this hobby.
All I can say is buy local honey it is better, realy better.
Find out about beekeeping is is a very different from computing.
I find the differentses rewarding, if you are looking for something in a hobby
that will test your skills in a very different way try beekeeping.
Charles Puffer
We should have make it a big patriotic thing back in 1976...
There would have been cool posters "We though out the King 200 years ago, It time to though out his feet and inches"
There could have been big ruler burning rallies. All the and all stuff for the bicentenary could have been metric boosting the metric economy.
O'well
Maybe in 2076
It will be nice to loose the key or keys for laptops that contain evedence of wringdoing.
Or
Will there be an independant storage agancy/site for "administrator keys"
Or we be depending on the smart Boys and Girls and Langly every time someone and their admin don't want or cant't tell us what the passwords are.
As apposed to Amarican Rugby, Rugby is a better link to what we Americans call Football.
Why no PGP/GPG Signature? For someone working at this level, posting a public key and signing messages would be a good idea. This is not to suggest that the email is not authentic, but to suggest the question could be set to rest.
Charles Puffer
For banks money is like water is to a water company. As long as the amount lost costs less then fixing the pipes. Don't spend money fixing the pipes. If that water cost more or the results of leaking that water cost more then the pipes would be fixed. For a bank the $500 error is in your checking account is no problem, they spend more on gifts for there executive assistant. You mean it's more than a weeks pay for you. Sorry you should have been more careful with it. Yes you. Do you think it is worth our money to spend a million dollers so your $500 does not get lost. Next you will want free checking.
As a member of the SCA who participates in Heavy List Fighting. From time to time I end up talking to non members often parents and there children. All to often I get the question, "isn't this dangerus?" I all to often reply "not as dangerus as driving here."
People will jump in a car and drive to the store. Then till you how dangerus it is to do X or Y.
What I would love to see would be an analysys of the number of highway deaths that accured becase more people drove and are driving futher and more often since 9/11.
I have not looked a a print your own boarding pass in some time. But I seem to remember they have logos, Tradmarked words, and would be a copyright docment. So if all they Terror and the like charges do not stick. Could they infringment charges (some civil some criminal) be brought to bear.
If a device had one small seprate and spacific hardware function that would checksome the code and check the checksome against the key if the code was an offical relaease a small led or other indicater would come on, if not the indicator would not.
Would trying to release software under the GPL3 for the device controvine the GPL3?
The idea would be that voting machines, medical devices, and other items where the authenticity of the software is critical could indicate the authentcity of the software, while not preventing the software from running.
Would people argue that not being able to control the indicator with the users own software violated the GPL3?
Point one: In one sence you are correct. But it is still a series of numbers and it is copyright, It might have meaning in another format, is the copyright holder required to explain the meaning, and/or convince the judge or jurie that of the meaning. (this could make it hard to maintian copyright or religus documents)
:-)
Point two: I that is true also, But I can also put copies of a story I wrote up on the bulleten board a work. People are free to take them and read them. I can even give permition to make a copy(as in one copy from the original) for personal use. But if someone puts my story in a book. or makes a copy of a copy they are violating my copyright.
But with this thread has all but ended.
Does not matter the "junk" in the file no matter how little sence it makes is still their copyright "junk". Now one might be able to claim it has little economic value.
I would say that the individual sent a request for a copy of the recoding to the governors office. The office was foolish and send a copy of the speech to the requestor. Sounds to my like a staff training problem. Staff member will have to go for reeducation, and be reprogrammed.