OK. Show me the expenses. Re-labeling? Not an issue. Most American companies put both measures on their goods already to save the expense of having to run two production lines.
Education? Most American children are smart enough to figure it out.
Saying it is not needed is simply isolationist. If the US only produced for the domestic market I would agree with you. When you export excess production in order to maintain profitability, said profitability is impacted negatively by having to run two production lines. Lower profits means higher prices.
If you favor such a waste of taxpayer dollars and time, perhaps you are the one who is "poorly educated".
25 years of converting, re-labeling, re-tooling, running two lines, one domestic and one for export have cost American companies (and consumers) far more than the one time cost of conversion. Conversion happens once. All of the expenses entailed by staying with the "Imperial" measurements just go on and on and on.
Here is the answer. When the issue came up, the US decided to go it alone and do things their own way. Now that it is twenty five years later, the need to change over is greater than ever and the expense involved is exponentially higher than it was then. The money that the USA wastes now on converting all incoming and outgoing products is considerable. Far more than the costs of conversion.
I agree. Let's start by retraining the 275 million people in the United States to all use the metric system like the other 5.8 billion people on the planet do. Then we'll move on to language.
I apologize for using that site as a source. I didn't read the entire 50,000 words looking for corroboration. Do I consider it a reliable source? Never said it was in the first place.
All I'm really trying to get across, sometimes from an extreme point of view, is that most people have their opinions spoon fed to them by:
a) Their parents. b) The Media. c) The Government.
Most people never bother to look a little deeper, question the things that they are being fed and then think for themselves. In a country that is so self centered and money focussed as the US, poining out the flies in the ointment is a thankless job. If by being extreme I can get one person to take a more human position in their thinking, then I'll be extreme. Realize though, that the reason it's needed is to counter the extreme position that most of the US population has taken on the right.
US society is all about money and lifestyle. But only for US citizens. The lifestyle comes at other peoples expense and the money is earned in rather distasteful ways. If that is where the majority of US citizens want to live their lives, great. Just leave it at the border. Don't export weapons, either selling them or using them to kill people. Keep them in the US. When you consider that the 2002-2003 year over year budget increase for the US military was more than the combined budgets of all other countries in the world and in Oregon they are shortening the school year and cutting staff, I mean it really points out how whacked peoples priorities are. People need to be shocked.
I'm sure if I spent enough time on google,, I could find some real loony conservative sites as well. Off the top of my head, try this site for links to the rest of the Rush Limbaugh set.
Somebody is going to make a pile of money off of this war. I suppose that is just another coincidence? How do you live in your pollyanna world where the rich and powerful know what is best and we should just find a nicce sandpile to stick our heads in? Do you question anything at all or do you just take in what you are fed as gospel?
How did Saddam get to be as powerful as he is? Who were his allies during the Iran/Iraq war? Who was his ally when he was gassing Kurds? Suddenly the US gets a conscience? Just a desire to do the right thing?? WHY NOW? Oh, sorry, inconvenient line of thought. Just dismiss me and get on with your flower and butterfly encrusted life. Where everyone has an IRA and the only people who die in wars "deserve it".
First, we have to assume that the president, the cabinet, and his whole administration are entering into war just to make money for some relative of the president.
And themselves. Why else? Because Saddam is a bad man? Bullshit. The US made him who he is today. North Korea is a hugely greater threat.
But wait! There's more! Then we have to assume that almost the entirety of the Senate and 75% of the House was in on the conspiracy, when they voted, in Joint Congressional Resolution 140 to approve the use of force!
How many of them do NOT have stock portfolios?
But that's not all! Then we have to figure out how the entire United Nations Security Council joined the conspiracy when they voted unanimously to approve UNSC Resolution 1441 approving `serious consequences' for Mr. Hussein if he did not take advantage of this `final opportunity'!
No conspiracy required. The President of The United States said jump. They fell over themselves to see who could jump highest.
But that's not all you get! Then we have to understand why a majority of Americans approve immediate action against Mr. Hussein, too (52%, according to this week's NYTimes/CBSNews opinion poll, with 58% supporting action if the UN doesn't act within the next week or two)!
Do you beleive everything you read? Most Americans do. Control the media, you control the people.
Then we have to understand why 19 European nations, and another several dozen nations from the rest of the world have signed on too!
See above re: UN Security Council.
I mean c'mon. That's all you've got?
Oh, there's lots more. You just have to look a little deeper than most people are willing to do. For instance, do you have a satisfactory explanation for this? Not so much the fact that it happened, but the fact that you never heard anything further about it. The fact that an ex-director of the just happened to be in the position he was in just compounds the coincidence further. I mean if you laid all this out for the American public as a TV movie of the week, you might actually cause one or two people to ask embarrassing questions of the authorities. But if you have a reasonable explanation (not a coincidence, use Occam's Razor) I'm willing to listen.
As far as biased sources go, are you saying that the right wing sources of news are bastions of impartiality?
First two things to learn in journalism school: Behind every newsworthy event, find out who benefits and follow the money. That's where you'll find the REAL story.
Your post can be summed up as. You can't beat them, so you might as well not try.
Not quite. Each person needs to make an informed decision. Works for me, for you and for most others on this site. But for each one of us, there are thousands of them. So we can keep our money and our freedom for as long as we can. But eventually, they will bury us.
Glad I don't have you as a role model.
What, as someone with an opinion and an identity? I choose not to hide behing the anonymity of being an AC. You choose to. I'm glad I don't have you as a role model. Point being, we all have our own world view and our own opinions. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Look all through human history for examples of "pessimists" who said the above, and the "optimists" who ignored them, and succeeded in spite of, not because of the said advice. You'll find plenty of examples, and the overall benifit to humanity because of it. A Pessimist will never build a pyramid, or cross the ocean in a lone plane, because they're too busy telling everyone why they can't.
In this particular case I could have been plainer in my discourse. Build a better sucker trap. The current one (run by Microsoft) is working too well.
But cottages in the Black Forest and dachas on the Black Sea still work. If you think that the only money changing hands is money you can see... well, I have a bridge for sale!
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Executive Orders added to the US Patriot Act which allow indefinite detention, no access to attorneys, no specific charges, and no access to a judge.
What was that you were mumbling about lawmakers?
Patience. There are some minor hardware differences, they have promised a port ASAP.
OK. Show me the expenses. Re-labeling? Not an issue. Most American companies put both measures on their goods already to save the expense of having to run two production lines.
Education? Most American children are smart enough to figure it out.
Saying it is not needed is simply isolationist. If the US only produced for the domestic market I would agree with you. When you export excess production in order to maintain profitability, said profitability is impacted negatively by having to run two production lines. Lower profits means higher prices.
If you favor such a waste of taxpayer dollars and time, perhaps you are the one who is "poorly educated".
25 years of converting, re-labeling, re-tooling, running two lines, one domestic and one for export have cost American companies (and consumers) far more than the one time cost of conversion. Conversion happens once. All of the expenses entailed by staying with the "Imperial" measurements just go on and on and on.
Good point. Nationalistic fervor being what it is.
The US government good enough for you??
Here is a great summary of the rationale behind converting.
Here is the answer. When the issue came up, the US decided to go it alone and do things their own way. Now that it is twenty five years later, the need to change over is greater than ever and the expense involved is exponentially higher than it was then. The money that the USA wastes now on converting all incoming and outgoing products is considerable. Far more than the costs of conversion.
I agree. Let's start by retraining the 275 million people in the United States to all use the metric system like the other 5.8 billion people on the planet do. Then we'll move on to language.
Now as I recall you saved the French in WW1 and WW2
But only after being forced into these conflicts, long after their supposed allies had joined. The US supports its own interests. Period.
FLQ crisis. 1970. Terrorism in Canada.
Let me know when you're going to start. I need to top up my CivGenics shares. I wonder what their shareholder list looks like??
What I really, really want is the OS/2 workplace shell. I wish IBM would port it to run on Linux. I still miss it.
4 Pack 47GB SCSI for $149.95 times 7 = $1049.65 for 1.316TB storage. These are full height drives that weigh 7# each. That is 196# of hard drives.
I apologize for using that site as a source. I didn't read the entire 50,000 words looking for corroboration. Do I consider it a reliable source? Never said it was in the first place.
All I'm really trying to get across, sometimes from an extreme point of view, is that most people have their opinions spoon fed to them by:
a) Their parents.
b) The Media.
c) The Government.
Most people never bother to look a little deeper, question the things that they are being fed and then think for themselves. In a country that is so self centered and money focussed as the US, poining out the flies in the ointment is a thankless job. If by being extreme I can get one person to take a more human position in their thinking, then I'll be extreme. Realize though, that the reason it's needed is to counter the extreme position that most of the US population has taken on the right.
US society is all about money and lifestyle. But only for US citizens. The lifestyle comes at other peoples expense and the money is earned in rather distasteful ways. If that is where the majority of US citizens want to live their lives, great. Just leave it at the border. Don't export weapons, either selling them or using them to kill people. Keep them in the US. When you consider that the 2002-2003 year over year budget increase for the US military was more than the combined budgets of all other countries in the world and in Oregon they are shortening the school year and cutting staff, I mean it really points out how whacked peoples priorities are. People need to be shocked.
I'm sure if I spent enough time on google,, I could find some real loony conservative sites as well. Off the top of my head, try this site for links to the rest of the Rush Limbaugh set.
So, because I use a website as a source suddenly means that I agree with everything written on said site??
Talk about a narrow worldview.
SO, when you have nothing rational to contribute to the argument, attack the messenger. Typical right wing bullshit.
Somebody is going to make a pile of money off of this war. I suppose that is just another coincidence? How do you live in your pollyanna world where the rich and powerful know what is best and we should just find a nicce sandpile to stick our heads in? Do you question anything at all or do you just take in what you are fed as gospel?
How did Saddam get to be as powerful as he is? Who were his allies during the Iran/Iraq war? Who was his ally when he was gassing Kurds? Suddenly the US gets a conscience? Just a desire to do the right thing?? WHY NOW? Oh, sorry, inconvenient line of thought. Just dismiss me and get on with your flower and butterfly encrusted life. Where everyone has an IRA and the only people who die in wars "deserve it".
First, we have to assume that the president, the cabinet, and his whole administration are entering into war just to make money for some relative of the president.
And themselves. Why else? Because Saddam is a bad man? Bullshit. The US made him who he is today. North Korea is a hugely greater threat.
But wait! There's more! Then we have to assume that almost the entirety of the Senate and 75% of the House was in on the conspiracy, when they voted, in Joint Congressional Resolution 140 to approve the use of force!
How many of them do NOT have stock portfolios?
But that's not all! Then we have to figure out how the entire United Nations Security Council joined the conspiracy when they voted unanimously to approve UNSC Resolution 1441 approving `serious consequences' for Mr. Hussein if he did not take advantage of this `final opportunity'!
No conspiracy required. The President of The United States said jump. They fell over themselves to see who could jump highest.
But that's not all you get! Then we have to understand why a majority of Americans approve immediate action against Mr. Hussein, too (52%, according to this week's NYTimes/CBSNews opinion poll, with 58% supporting action if the UN doesn't act within the next week or two)!
Do you beleive everything you read? Most Americans do. Control the media, you control the people.
Then we have to understand why 19 European nations, and another several dozen nations from the rest of the world have signed on too!
See above re: UN Security Council.
I mean c'mon. That's all you've got?
Oh, there's lots more. You just have to look a little deeper than most people are willing to do. For instance, do you have a satisfactory explanation for this?
Not so much the fact that it happened, but the fact that you never heard anything further about it. The fact that an ex-director of the just happened to be in the position he was in just compounds the coincidence further. I mean if you laid all this out for the American public as a TV movie of the week, you might actually cause one or two people to ask embarrassing questions of the authorities. But if you have a reasonable explanation (not a coincidence, use Occam's Razor) I'm willing to listen.
As far as biased sources go, are you saying that the right wing sources of news are bastions of impartiality?
So it looks like your theory doesn't hold up too well, eh?
So, what's your theory? And don't simply parrot the official line. It's never that simple.
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First two things to learn in journalism school: Behind every newsworthy event, find out who benefits and follow the money. That's where you'll find the REAL story.
1. Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.
2. Tons of military hardware.
3. Daddy has shares in United Defense.
4. Profit!!!
Or do I have to spell it out for you?
Ya, but thats US dollars. You could buy a whole band with that kinda money.
Your post can be summed up as. You can't beat them, so you might as well not try.
Not quite. Each person needs to make an informed decision. Works for me, for you and for most others on this site. But for each one of us, there are thousands of them. So we can keep our money and our freedom for as long as we can. But eventually, they will bury us.
Glad I don't have you as a role model.
What, as someone with an opinion and an identity? I choose not to hide behing the anonymity of being an AC. You choose to. I'm glad I don't have you as a role model. Point being, we all have our own world view and our own opinions. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Look all through human history for examples of "pessimists" who said the above, and the "optimists" who ignored them, and succeeded in spite of, not because of the said advice. You'll find plenty of examples, and the overall benifit to humanity because of it. A Pessimist will never build a pyramid, or cross the ocean in a lone plane, because they're too busy telling everyone why they can't.
In this particular case I could have been plainer in my discourse. Build a better sucker trap. The current one (run by Microsoft) is working too well.
But cottages in the Black Forest and dachas on the Black Sea still work. If you think that the only money changing hands is money you can see... well, I have a bridge for sale!