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Zaurus SL-5600/SL-5500 Comparison Whitepaper
Bill Kendrick writes "A cool as the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Linux-based PDA is, there are definitely some quibbles about battery life, software and syncing. Fortunately, it seems the folks at Sharp and TrollTech have been working on it for the new 5600 model.
Sharp just posted a whitepaper (PDF) comparing the two models. (Newer kernel, no more root-privs-for-everything, JFFS2, dropping slow XML for PIM stuff, and USB-IO syncing, to name a few.)"
How about the fonts ?? It doesn't use X does it ?
Gee, that's a terrific battery comparison chart. They're "comparing" both units under completely different operating conditions. At least they come right out and say it, but this gives absolutely no indication that they've fixed the 5500's weak battery life. Bummer.
The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
I ordered one of the $170 dollar 5500's off of HSN. I don't care how bad it is compared to the 5600, $170 for a pda with 2 expantion slots that also happens to run linux! I can't wait too boot and get to a shell! :)
Program Memory (Work area)
SL-5500: 28.1MB
SL-5600: 29.1KB
Huh??
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Shouldn't the 5600 software just install on the 5500? I mean, the 5500 has more RAM, and it's trivial to put in lots of flash. Does that mean Sharp is not going to provide an upgrade?
The whitepaper shows that the 5500 can only record at 22khz using the mic input. Is this a device limitation, or software? Because I really want to use this when it becomes available (which will use the CF slot for input and a mic jack on the add-on itself), but it's not going to be worth it if the highest sampling rate available is 22khz :( Does anyone know anything?
Chris
Anybody notice that the entire god damned front page is only stories from Taco? Did his wife kick him out of bed or what?
now it have 4 new themes! Finally something that I can say clearly that is better in the new model!
me want me want - really i wouldnt mind a PDA, any type that works and runs something better then WindowsCE.. :S
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What issue exists with running as root on a PDA? It seems like a non-issue to me.
I mean it's a PDA: personal digital assistant. It's not like it's a multi-user workstation or an network server. Why wouldn't I just run as root?
obviously no deficiencies vs. no obvious deficiencies
What ever happened to the KDE sync program that would sync QPE/Opie based Linux handhelds?
One thing I'd like to see is some company selling OS upgrades that lets people throw away Microsoft Pocket PC/Windows CE and replace with Linux. But then there must be a good syncing solution for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X.
Ciryon
with its 640x480 super crisp display and its morphing ability. I hope they will sell it outside of Japan. Sharp had a lot of them at CeBIT, not a single SL-5600. They know it's much nicer.
Here are some links:
My Zaurus Info page
Conics Shop for ordering outside of Japan
Sharp's Japanese Zaurus Page
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I bought one of the first Zaurus in the shape of the the SL5000 and wondered if anyone has any figures for the battery life on it? I do find the a WLAN CF/SD Card and backlight I will get 90 minutes if I'm lucky. If worse comes to worse I just plug it into the mains :)
Rus
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Does anyone wonder why there isn't on the market parts to make their own handhelds? This is part of the reason why embedded devices haven't taken off like pc's have. I'd like to see a parts market in handhelds, like you have one for pc's. If standardized parts were made available and a full fledged embedded linux distribution available, the market would really take off. I'd like to see at the very minimum, a "kit", is anyone here old enough to remember the old heath kits?; they were really cool!
One thing they've done differently is the memory.
Its flash+RAM based, instead of being ROM+RAM-based.
That should effectively provide more space (if they write all persistent data to flash when the unit is shut down), and better battery utilisation.
This is a cool device, and a couple of my friends have the original 5500. One of them, who does testing for EMC, used to mount his test volumes over NFS, and start off his test scripts over telnet, all over the 802.11, while he sat in boring meetings.
Not as much software out there, compared to the palmOS platform, though.
Why do you suppose they didn't compare battery life under similar conditions? Most of the specs for the 5600 look great, and the battery life on its own doesn't look bad either, but this paper gives no basis for comparing the battery life of the 5500 and the 5600.
- Although you can configure multiple SMTP accounts, the mail client only uses the one configured first
- Every now and then the soft eject for a CF card doesn't work and you have to physically take it out
In addition, since Sharp has already worked on a new kernel, PIM, etc., it would be great if existing 5500 owners could benefit from what their software group has done since the latest firmware upgrade came out.The hardware changes on the 5600 are not a radical shift from the 5500 (unless, of course, you buy into the MHz hype). I bet that not many people will ditch their 5500s and invest in 5600s primarily to fix problems that could be resolved through a firmware upgrade.
As a (relatively proud) owner of the 5500, I can tell you for sure that there's a lot of room for improvements.
The Raven
A question... Does anyone know what web browser it uses? Certainly would be nice to know if there's an Open Source browser out there with decent performance and stability.
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According to the whitepaper the 5600 uses Intel's PXA250 XScale chip, which this article seems to imply may well be discontinued already!! Hopefully the new PXA255 is a drop-in replacement. In that case the new 5600s will be even faster since the 255 uses a faster memory bus. If it's not a drop-in expect a delay while Sharp figures out what the heck to do!
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I dropped Sharp's OS a couple of months ago in favor of OpenZaurus, and found nothing but improvements. (Almost) every complaint I had about the original software was addressed:
1. The calendar app is much more stable. My one remaining issue is with repeating appointments: if you modify a repeating appointment on the Z, it'll duplicate itself and you'll have two appointments in the same spot: one with the old info, and one with the new. If you instead modify the appt. with the Qtopia Desktop software (Linux--I never use the Windows version), you don't have this problem.
2. I used to lose all my to-dos everytime I synced with the Sharp software. Fixed.
3. You can get ipks from the Zaurus Software Index (http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus) to preserve the Jeode environment as well as the Hancom apps and Opera, so you can still use them on OpenZaurus. These utilities will convert them to ipks which you can copy to your machine. When you install OpenZaurus, you can just reinstall these apps as normal. I can testify that the Jeode one works: I don't have a need for the Hancom apps or Opera, so I never reinstalled them.
4. The theme feature is there in OpenZaurus, so if you're using it, you've already got what Sharp gives you in the 5600. I'm using the Liquid theme.
5. There's a nice Today app in OpenZaurus that gives you a snapshot of your day--both to-dos and calendar appointments.
6. I haven't encountered a 3rd party ipk that I used to use in Sharp's rom that doesn't work with the OZ rom.
7. I had to upgrade Sharp's rom to use a 128MB SD card. This also broke my connection to the Linux version (some "security patch" was also included in this upgrade that prevented the Linux Qtopia desktop from connecting, and also disabled ftp). Installing OZ fixed all of these issues.
8. OZ includes OpenSSH by default, so it's much easier to get into the Z and copy files.
9. The Sharp ROM crashed all the time. And I mean ALL THE TIME. I don't have that problem with OZ.
To get to the point, I would recommend to anyone who runs Linux and is purchasing a 5500 right now to save yourself the headaches and replace the default ROM with OpenZaurus. If you back up Jeode, Hancom, and Opera, you won't lose anything by doing it, and you'll have a much more stable PDA.
if they could add a GSM module to the damn thing, now that would make it sell like fire
The lunatic is in my head
I can't tell you all how useful it was to see the entire listing of files on the SL-5600, in fact, I think that should come in all white papers.
Modular Redundancy--Because 4 out of 5 Nodes agree
What I find interesting is that they've dropped the XML format for their PIM applications. Now they're using something called DTM:
... However, all the default PIM applications on the SL-5600 now adopt and are managed by the DTM (PIM database). Thus, and 3rd party PIM applications that access the XML files on the SL-5500 PIM applications will not run as expeected. ...
DTM (DaTa Manager) is a set of modules that provide database functions to the applications.
This does not spell out well for third party developers who now have to have compliant apps for the 5500 and the 5600. It sounds like they're using something like the pdb format for palm. If they're going to change, I wonder why they didn't go with a standard like iCalendar (RFC2445) at least for the PIM apps.
Who said Freedom was Fair?
Could be cool, but be aware that it contains "Embedix" technology, a product of our pals at SCO/Caldera/Lineo (or whatever the name is this week). If people are serious about showing there displeasure with SCO, consider that before making a purchase.
So far as I know, the only driver for SD cards is closed-source and only available for 2.4.8; does anyone know if the 5600 supports them, or just the MMC version?
Geez guys, learn how to use your pda already. And yes, theKompany and OpenZaurus kicks palm booty.
The 5500 has 64mb of ram while the 5600 has 32mb of ram. By using an alternative distro such as OpenZaurus you can use all of that ram. The sharp rom makes a ramdisk for program storage.
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Actually, Americans didn't buy them because they were too big and cost too much. Remember that in the beginning of Windows CE, all of the units were keyboard-based and there were many of them from a variety of manufacturers: HP, Compaq, Sharp, Casio... However, these 1.0 units were a complete joke as they had pathetic battery life and the most useless operating system to ever be released to the mainstream market. They were also overpriced but were pretty small like the Philips Velo which actually became somewhat popular.
But CE 2.0 came and then everyone decided to follow the lead of HP and make these ridiculously large units which couldn't even honestly be called palmtops. The prices were raised even further.
CE 2.1 came and was actually fairly useable except for the fact that you couldn't store any of your PIM databases on a flash card (a cause of much frustration on my part). By this time, however, most of the manufacturers had pulled out of the market leaving only NEC and HP. The units were a bit smaller but still were too big and the cost was as much as a much more useful laptop.
The other problem was bad marketing. Microsoft knew the early CE devices were crap and so it didn't promote them very much.
The handheld PC, IMHO, is the perfect platform for Linux since the units cost a lot to manufacture. However, with a free OS and apps, units like these could be made for about USD 500. They'd have to be about as big as an HP 200LX which is about 6 inches wide by 4 inches and weighs about 12 ounces.
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Batteries should be standardised? Or something agreed upon thier use. The thing is that all it takes is one company to patent a method and then no one wants to use it.
Or something because if we could buy our batteries from a seporate supplier we might buy the original product.
Where as at the moment companies integrate everything into one highly controllable product. While this gives them power over the final experience that the product gives it ultimately leads to a bad results.
An example of companies not working together. Old news, but always relevent. Companies who don't cooperate will be competing and that means one will die. Evolution.
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