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Slashback with more on open code in government, Intel's new low-power mobile chips, the nature of the engineers, craftsmen or whatchamacallims who spend their days forging software, the CD price-fixing settlement, and more -- read on for the details.

Formalization schmormalization. kaisyain's review today of Software Craftsmanship raised a spirited conversation about the nature of software, software engineering, and related disciplines. cconnell conveniently submits a great companion piece: "I wrote this article a couple years ago but it has continued to get good readership within the software engineering community. Should provoke some interesting discussion..."

The bleeding edge costs money. JeffyVernon writes with an followup to CNET's early review of Centrino laptops: "AnandTech published two articles on Centrino today, an overview of the CPU architecture (including some interesting history behind the chip) and a roundup of four notebooks including the new Dell that wasn't in CNet's roundup. It looks like the 4.9lbs IBM T40p ended up winning the roundup, it lasted over 6 hours on battery!"

What scarcity was this exactly? RadBlock writes "Lawrence Lessig is addressing the issue of radio spectrum on CIO Insight... something that was talked about on Slashdot the other day. Lessig states that the spectrum has been defined too generally as if there can only be one message per frequency, when better equipment will vastly increase the amount of 'spectrum' that is usable."

I like that phrase "general welfare." We've mentioned eGovOS several times before -- now, here's a last-minute announcement that may be of interest: free registration is still open for next week's (March 17-19) eGovOS conference in Washington D.C., "Open Standards/Open Source for National and Local eGovernment Programs in the U.S. and EU." Perhaps some folks there ought to consider the question eugene ts wong raised the other day, namely, Which North American government offices won't move to Linux? Someone needs to set up a big map with different colored countries and states!

Who's laughing and where is his bank? deelowe writes "From ars. Back in September we reported on a class action suit leveled at a number of Music industry players that accused them of anti-competitive price-fixing. Back in January, we reported that victims of said price fixing could hit this website and sign up (too late now), and eventually receive up to $20 in the settlement, provided of course that you had actually purchased a CD between January 1 1995 and December 22, 2000. 3.5 million Americans made their way to the on-line form, and it appears that victims will receive $12.60 apiece, should a judge approve it."

They still have a while to go ... sp1nl0ck writes CNet News.com.com.com are reporting that The Neo Project guys have restarted the attempt to crack the 2048-bit XBox key following advice from their lawyers. CNet are citing a link to Operation Project X, but it was a bit temperamental in loading earlier. Maybe it's been CNetted..."

I'll still think of it as the GIMP for a few years ;) Agermain writes "CinePaint has just released its first Windows build. From their website: "CinePaint is an open source painting program used by motion picture studios to retouch images in 35mm films. It was formerly called Film Gimp. It has been used in a dozen feature films including Harry Potter, Scooby-Doo, and the Fast & the Furious... This first Windows beta release is mainly intended for developers and testers.""

190 comments

  1. How will you spend your settlement money? by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 4, Funny

    I fully intend to reinvest that 12.60 back into my music collection =)

    Although; thats probably what they want you to do..

    1. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I plan to use it to buy lots of CD-Rs onto which I can burn music that I downloaded legally off of KaZaA.

      It's my right to download any digital media I want in any format I want. If anyone tries to violate that right, I will whine like no geek has whined before.

    2. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by JonMisurda · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll buy some blank cds ;)

    3. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by JonMisurda · · Score: 1

      oh great now i'll get moderated redundant since i don't read at score: 0... that'll teach me!

    4. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, moderators should have mercy.. You're only one minute off.

      In canada, 12.50$ will buy me one or two CDrws..
      damn taxes.

    5. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by jazman_777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Donate it to the EFF.

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    6. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by Iguanaphobic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ya, but thats US dollars. You could buy a whole band with that kinda money.

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    7. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can always buy non-RIAA music.

    8. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by sulli · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The day it was announced, I gave $20 to SomaFM. Hopefully not all of it will go to pay RIAA extortion.

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    9. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by panck · · Score: 1

      Since you never would have received if it were not due to the EFF, perhaps you should send it to the EFF ? (or part of it)

      That's what I'm doing. $12.60 seems kinda petty to keep.

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    10. Re:How will you spend your settlement money? by Geekbot · · Score: 1

      Other than as presents, I haven't bought a CD in years. I'm sick of overpriced price fixed garbage. There are only a few people out there that I want to hear whatever they've got out. I had enough money scammed out of me by these corps who knowingly betrayed their customers and broke the laws of their country. I'll be spending mine on blank CD's.

  2. $12.60! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's not even enough to buy some new CD's!

  3. ya the victims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The victims will receive $12.60 each.

    The lawyers will receive $20 million each.

    There's no justice like american justice!

    Ya baby!

    1. Re:ya the victims by unicron · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly how much courtroom time did you put in?

      And how much money do you feel you're entitled to? All you did was allow yourself to be ripped off at the music store. Somehow I fail to make the association between the term "victim" and your story.

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    2. Re:ya the victims by jbloggs · · Score: 0

      Okay.... so instead you go to law school, spend years studying the law, spend years in the courtroom learning how to argue a case, then spend some more years learning specific areas of the law so you can prepare for this, then spend the tons of time it takes to actually argue and research this case. Then let everyone in this class action law suit who's done nothing more than bought a cd walk away will tons of more money and you nothing. That'll happen.

    3. Re:ya the victims by cymen · · Score: 1

      Let's say the lawyers put in 8000 hours and he put about 2 minutes into writing his post. If we equate the time as equal, which you will object to ("courtroom"), then he is owed about $83.33 for his two minutes (*).

      I agree with your mainpoint about victims but don't you think the amount lawyers are able to get encourages these kind of law suits solely for fiscal reward? It is sort of a modern day bounty hunters association that operates under the guise of looking out for the common guy.

      * hey you, yeah you, the guy that reads foot notes (that is everyone here, we're geeks), this is just a silly example that is so stupid it could be toppled by a small puff of air out of a straw, my point is merely to relate $20 mil to semi-reality

    4. Re:ya the victims by narf_narf_narf · · Score: 1

      I don't think you fully understand the term "fair compensation." do you honestly think that the lawyers completed a job worthy of $20 million?

    5. Re:ya the victims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, I scored.

      I bought ONE cd during that time (Dinosaur Jr's Hand it Over). It was in the "Nobody likes this shit" bin for $11 bucks. Turned out I didn't like it either. Fucking falsetto.

      I wound up trading it for a Realtek chipset NIC (Redefining Low End!) and pretty much got my money back.

      Now I'm getting 12 bucks. Not too shabby...

  4. What to do with the $12.60 by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Donate it to the guy that runs Kazaa Lite.

    1. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you paid the $12.60 towards the principle of a 30 year 7% mortgage, you would save almost $100 in interest.

    2. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by SquadBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The guy that runs Kazaa Lite is a hypocrite. Here he is building an unofficial client that lets you use Kazaa without looking at their ads and yet when I try to go to his site I get blocked by Anti-Leech for not allowing popups. He is a true and royal asshole and I hope he dies. Well not really but kind of.

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    3. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which site is his site? there are many sites for kazaa lite, and not really a main one. those sites are run by different people, so you might be accusing him falsly.

    4. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

      It is the first site you get when you google on Kazza Lite.

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    5. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by orangesquid · · Score: 1

      try this link..

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    6. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by DennisZeMenace · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of 'wget' ? Anti-Leech that.

    7. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by The+Bungi · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you feel constrained by something as dumb as anti-leech, we need to work on your geek skillz =)

    8. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 4, Informative

      kazaalite.com is not the page for Kazaa Lite. That guy is. from what I have heard, a domain squatter.

      Try www.kazaalite.tk instead.

      Also, kazaa lite runs just fine under WINE.

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    9. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by danro · · Score: 1

      If you feel constrained by something as dumb as anti-leech, we need to work on your geek skillz =)

      It's not that it's hard to get around, it's just the utter stupidity of deploying that lousy crapware.
      "Anti-leech" must be the lamest stunt yet, when I discovered them a while ago I couldn't actually believe people was paying them money to use the crap.
      ...but obviously, one is born every minute.

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    10. Re:What to do with the $12.60 by danro · · Score: 1

      That guy is. from what I have heard, a domain squatter.

      Ahh... that puts him on a real high moral ground when he accuses people who don't view his popups of theft.
      He poses as someone else and distributes their hard work (the de-nastyfication of kazaa) for his personal profit, and yet he is so full of selfrightiousness...
      What a creep.

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  5. Operation Project X by kiwirob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Operation Project X is a project to run linux on the x-box. But to run the client to crack the code you have to be running windows!!! Where the hell is my linux hack the evil empire client??

    1. Re: Operation Project X by captredballs · · Score: 1


      Perhaps it is possible to run the console client with mono?

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  6. a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    #vapyhqr <fgqvb.u>

    vag znva()
    {
    vag p;

    juvyr ((p = trgpune()) != RBS) {
    vs (p >= 'n' && p <= 'm')
    chgpune('n' + (p-'n'+13)%26);
    ryfr vs (p >= 'N' && p <= 'M')
    chgpune('N' + (p-'N'+13)%26);
    ryfr
    chgpune(p);
    }
    }

  7. $12.60 for your Opt-In by ziggr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like a bargain! In exchange for a paltry $50M, they now have a confirmed list of 3.5 million music consumers, their names, email and physical addresses, birth dates, and last 4 digits of their social security numbers. I wonder how much they'll be recoup by reselling that list, or just using it themselves.

    As much as I wanted to see the RIAA's wrists slapped for being naughty, it felt like *I* was going to be the one to suffer if I filled out that form.

    1. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Informative

      The kind of list you're charging them with suddenly being able to use to advertise, which even then is a pretty glib assumption, is not worth 50 million dollars.

      Email lists with 3.5 million opt-in targetted blue-chip collected address would costa tiny fraction of that money. The idea that 50 million dollars is a good price for that tiny amount of contacts, even if you *were* allowed to suddenly spam them, is insane. That kind of price would get you absolutely laughed out of any online advertising campaign sales meeting.

      Take off the tinfoil, buddy!

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    2. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by Noehre · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      What makes you think anybody in the music industry has that list?

      If you were as observant as you were mindlessly paranoid, you would have noticed that the website wasn't run by anybody even close to the music industry.

    3. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea that 50 million dollars is a good price...

      Indeed. Besides, the music industry is too busy corrupting the FCC to suppress Reed's revolutionary radio ideas. They can't be bothered spamming people.

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    4. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by realdpk · · Score: 1

      The music industry will get the list of names, addresses, etc, of the people involved in the class action suit.

      $50M is a lot for the list, but still, it is a list of music buyers. They may not recoup all of their money, but you can bet they'll try.

    5. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Unless anybody can prove that when you sign up, you are giving these companies permission to use that information for the purposes of advertising, its silly to speculate that they will do anything with a list of people who signed up.

      I mean, think about it .. do they really want the names of 3.5 million customers who are nitpicky enough about their money, or anti-riaa enough, or smart & engaged enough to proactively sign up to get a maximum of 20 back?

      This sounds like the list of people they *dont* want to waste their money on. Frankly, I think every one of those 3.5 million people kick ass. If nobody is interested in damages, it sends a clear message to the market players that market abuse will be ignored.

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    6. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by rsborg · · Score: 1
      Email lists with 3.5 million opt-in targetted blue-chip collected address would costa tiny fraction of that money.

      ...sigh... Two things in response:

      1. These aren't only email addresses, now, are they?
      2. This is their fricking *PUNISHMENT* for price-fixing. Geeze, I mean, if I were to be *punished* for something by paying money to get a large saleable list of music customers...
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    7. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by Keithel · · Score: 1

      Think not of spam, but of the RIAA using that list as a watchlist, to illegally watch some/everyone on that list for something that looks even remotely close to illicit file trading.

    8. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by PhipleTroenix · · Score: 1

      If they find a way to subpena the logs, IP address could be added to that list of info. Cross-reference that with P2P clients they want to bust, and it suddenly looks like a huge win for the RIAA.

      Are logs covered by attorney/client privileged communications? Does privileged communcations still exist?

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    9. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by TechnoWeenie · · Score: 1

      IMHO, RIAA has barely figured out that there is an internet, much less how to use it to send spam.

    10. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      The real question isn't: "Is that list worth $50 Million to the RIAA?" but "Is having my name on that list worth $12.60 to me?"

      My answer was no.

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    11. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by sgifford · · Score: 1

      You can't just subpoena information and use it for purposes other than your legal case. The New York Times tried this a couple dozen years ago, suing people they wanted to write stories about so they could get information from discovery and depositions then publishing this information, and the courts decided it wasn't legal.

      Sorry, can't provide a reference; this is based on what my wife told me when she was in law school.

    12. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1

      1) Modifying your name by just a few letters each time you fill out a suspicious form.

      2) Note in a personal log a) the changes you made to your name b) where it was sent.

      3) Anytime you get junk mail or phone calls that misspell/mispronounce your name, check your log and see where the source of their info came from.

      4) Complain viciously to some rights organization, the originating company or proper government office or official...

      Not sure if it will work, I just started doing this. This technique works very well for email and online forms as well to track information... always interesting to see if those privacy statements are actually adhered to...

      -v

    13. Re:$12.60 for your Opt-In by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Modifying your name by just a few letters each time you fill out a suspicious form.

      Bulk mailers are quite adept at doing that themselves in my experience.

  8. $12.60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great! I can finally afford to buy a CD now!

    Oh wait, I'm still a bit short, aren't I?

  9. My $12.60 by dacarr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh boy! Now I can buy socks!

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    1. Re:My $12.60 by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh boy! Now I can buy socks!

      I read that as "stocks," as in "stocks and bonds," which, of course, is also true.

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    2. Re:My $12.60 by unicron · · Score: 1

      I plan of buying a ton of blank cd's and burning top 40. Just to do it.

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    3. Re:My $12.60 by imadork · · Score: 1

      We'd really appreciate it if you bought underwear first.

    4. Re:My $12.60 by dacarr · · Score: 1

      Hmm... at $12.60, that's an awful lot of stock in this energy company called Enron I heard was just starting to make it.

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    5. Re:My $12.60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take this settlement, but beware it carries a terrible price!
      Ooooh, that's bad.
      But you can buy socks with the 12.60.
      That's good.
      But the socks have RFID tags.
      That's bad.
      But you get your choice of colors!
      That's good.

    6. Re:My $12.60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      What the hell kind of hooker are you going to get for $12.60?

      Oh wait, you said socks, my bad.

    7. Re:My $12.60 by Alsee · · Score: 1

      Oh boy! Now I can buy socks!

      According to Ebay, it's not enough to even bid on anything on the first TWENTY-SIX PAGES of results for "socks".

      -

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    8. Re:My $12.60 by kraig · · Score: 1
      I read that as "stocks," as in "stocks and bonds," which, of course, is also true.


      That'd buy an awful lot of Nortel stock these days.
  10. pcmag has another review ... by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    pcmag has another review, this includes Dell and Acer. Dell D600 is recommended choice (performance/price balance). An interesting detail is that Dell did not use MS 802.11 component but something else, and they have achieved the best results in 'wireless' part of the test. Seems like the wireless part of Centrino is mediocre or worse.

    1. Re:pcmag has another review ... by Mantorp · · Score: 1

      I can't recall ever reading a review in PCMAG that didn't pick a Dell product as the recommended choice. I bet they hate it when they review items that Dell doesn't make so they actually have to make an informed decision. Unlike this wonderfully impartial site which is always fair and balanced when it comes to comparing products and services. Ehrm...sorry.

    2. Re:pcmag has another review ... by afidel · · Score: 1

      The fact is for 802.11b the Centrino part sucks, its behind Atheros and Proxim which are pretty cruddy. If you want a really good 802.11b card get a Cisco 350 card, by far the best range and highest noise ceiling of any of the 11b products, but they do cost more =)

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  11. Improved equipment == improved use of spectrum by L-Train8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This has been going on, there is just room for improvement. Back in the late '70's, my father was into radio-controlled airplanes and had a nice set-up. He got out of that hobby after a few years and the plane and controller went up in the attic. Ten years later, I thought I might try my hand at it, and he gave me his old stuff. I found out that while I could still use the model plane, I had to replace the controller and servos. They were too old and used to much of the spectrum. In the intervening years, more efficient equipment replaced the stuff my dad used. The old stuff used too much of the spectrum and interfered with other planes and other RF uses.

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    1. Re:Improved equipment == improved use of spectrum by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Informative

      This model aircraft spectrum change was motivated by two things. Get more channels so that more models could be flow simultaneously and improve standards in transmitters and receivers to reduce interference. If I remember correctly, they basically doubled the number of channels by creating a new channel between the existing channels. The standards for performance of the transmitters and receivers was toughened up quite a bit.

      Contemporary model aircraft radios are pretty sophisticated. High end radios use digital protocols over the air. Error correction, etc. I've been away from it for about 10 years. Anyone know if spread spectrum is in common (or any) use yet for model aircraft? Seems to me that would go a long way toward preventing unintended landings. I don't remember any provision for it in the new frequency allocations. Too bad I guess.

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  12. Nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    CNet are citing a link to Operation Project X, but it was a bit temperamental in loading earlier. Maybe it's been CNetted...
    So you decided to submit it to Slashdot?

    Wow.
    1. Re:Nice one by unicron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someday we're gonna see something like "webserver..FROM A PACEMAKER" and it will be VERY VERY bad.

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    2. Re:Nice one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I don't see the problem. It was groggy after the shot from CNet, so why not bring out the big guns and go for the kill?

  13. Centrinissimo, Damages, Software by kEnder242 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did anyone read that as "Centrinissimo damages software."?

    I know the crusoe mangles assebly a bit but...

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  14. No $12.60 for me by Powercntrl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With all the, ahem, interesting stuff I have downloaded off P2P, I think it's best to keep my mouth shut.

    Sure they have been price fixing, but I haven't been playing fair either. I call it even.

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    1. Re:No $12.60 for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second that.

  15. Centrino is way overrated by dracvl · · Score: 5, Informative
    It looks like the 4.9lbs IBM T40p ended up winning the roundup, it lasted over 6 hours on battery!

    I get 7 hours out of my widescreen Fujitsu P2120 sporting a Crusoe 933MHz, and it's 3.4lbs and half the price. If you're interested in more, here's the specs.

    I'm not affiliated with Fujitsu, I just can't praise this laptop enough ;)

    You should have 20/20 vision though, at 1280x768 in 10.4" widescreen, the pixels are small. But with sub-pixel rendering, the fonts are a visual orgasm for typography nerds like myself ;)

    1. Re:Centrino is way overrated by BigBir3d · · Score: 1

      What you say is true. But it is not fair to compare a P4 to a Crusoe. That's like comparing a Corvette and a Cavalier. You're talking pears vs. banana's!

    2. Re:Centrino is way overrated by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
      > I get 7 hours out of my widescreen Fujitsu P2120 sporting a Crusoe 933MHz, and it's 3.4lbs and half the price. If you're interested in more, here's the specs [fujitsupc.com].

      Yes, which is cool for ultra light/thin. But if you're going for a desktop replacement, getting 6 hours out of a 14-15 inch screen and the gaming performance of a 2.0 P4, r0x0rz.

      But the marketing... Gack. Disgusting. I gotta rant.

      "Centrino". A Pentium-M (and 855PM chipset) and an Intel WLAN card.

      So lemme get these three CPUs straight...

      Pentium-III-M: That icky old Pentium 3, yuk, you don't want a Pentium 3! That's old!

      Pentium-4-M: That awesome new Pentium 4, but mobile! That's new!

      Pentium-M: We spent millions to train people that "Pentium 4" was the hot new thing... And see, "Pentium III", that must suck, because "3" is less than "4". So what do we call our newest, bestest, fastest mobile chip? You know, the one that so handily beats a P4 on an IPC basis that at 1.6 GHz, it beats a 2.4 GHz Pentium-4-M? The one with the huge-azz 1M cache, and the 5-6 hour battery life? Well, we decided we should call that CPU the "Pentium-M"! You know, so it sounds like the mobile version of the 133 MHz thing you had back in 1995 or so!

      All this so that the consumer will ask for a "Centrino" instead of "the laptop with that newer, faster P3 that had the 1M cache, 400 MHz FSB, and P4's branch prediction unit, and insanely low power consumption" -- so that manufacturers, in order to say "Centrino! Comin' right up!" will sell them a laptop with an Intel WLAN card as opposed to any other manufacturer's WLAN card.

      (No Intel WLAN card? Sorry, not a cool fast buzzword-compliant Centrino! Icky slow Pentium-M that doesn't even have a "3" or "4" after it!)

      I want one of these things, awright, but I want it for the (Banias / Pentium-M) CPU and battery life. I don't give a rat's ass who makes the frickin' WLAN card! So if you also don't give a rat's ass about who makes the WLAN card, remember that "Pentium-M" is just as good as a "Centrino".

      In addition to (possibly) saving you a few bucks, there's the added benefit that with a non-Intel WLAN card, your laptop won't be branded with a logo that looks like it came off a box of tampons.

    3. Re:Centrino is way overrated by matthewn · · Score: 1

      The P2120 is available from Emperor Linux with Linux preinstalled for $1950.00. (No, I don't work for them.)

    4. Re:Centrino is way overrated by PD · · Score: 1

      So, what is that quickpoint pointing device? Is it like a Thinkpad clitoris? I can't use touchpads, so I only use Thinkpads.

    5. Re:Centrino is way overrated by Joshua+Udvardy · · Score: 1

      But with sub-pixel rendering, the fonts are a visual orgasm for typography nerds like myself ;)

      Especially with how they render pink pixels, eh? *wink*

      --
      I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow is not looking good either.
    6. Re:Centrino is way overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point of the Intel wireless card is to further conserve on battery life. The 855 chipset is designed to take advantage of it, power-wise.

      In addition, I believe later version of 855 will do the same for other components, though it escapes me exactly which ones right now.

      I have to agree with the logo assessment. Far too wussy! It's the pink, isn't it.....

    7. Re:Centrino is way overrated by Sketch · · Score: 1

      What battery configuration are you using?

      I've been keeping an eye on this one for when the time comes that I need to replace my Sony Picturebook C1VN. I'm happy with it, but I like the built-in 802.11 on the Fujitsu, and it's way cheaper too.

      I have a quad battery on the Picturebook, and get about 6 hours actual use out of it. Twice that if it sits there doing nothing, which is what Sony's battery life specs seem to be based on. I'm curious if Fujitsu is the same way. They seem to go up to about 13 hours max in the specs...

      --
      -- OpenVerse Visual Chat: http://openverse.com
  16. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why was this modded informative? i cant belive mods could be so clueless as to think this is usefull. then again, i guess ive seen worse.
    anyway, mod the parent funny or down

  17. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    REAL rot-13 readers don't need any decoder to read rot-13 articles!!

  18. WTF is a Latitude 8200? by McSpew · · Score: 4, Informative

    The AnandTech review made numerous comparisons between the Dell Latitude D800 and the Dell "Latitude 8200." There is no such product. I suspect the comparisons were to the Inspiron 8200, which is not being replaced by the Latitude D800. Ultimately, the Latitude D800 will replace the Latitude C8xx series, but the two products will coexist for a while, because a lot of companies (mine included) own a lot of Latitude Cxxx hardware for which all the docking stations, batteries and CD-ROM/CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives are interchangeable.

    In the meantime, the Dell Centrino-based product most comparable to the Inspiron 8200 is the Inspiron 600m.

  19. Xbox Concern? by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else concerned that, since MS *knows* the Xbox key, they could poision the search by submitting work units for that key that are forged (and show a negative when infact it should be positive)?

    --

    Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    1. Re:Xbox Concern? by SymLink-Dyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good lord. We're supposed to be geeks here, right? Let's do the math on this.

      The Xbox uses a keyspace of 2^2048. So far, the project has manage to do a little over 17 billion keys, call it 2^34 keys. That means, they have managed to test roughly fuck all. If Microsoft sent a negative result back for the actual key, the chances are higher that a couple of inopportune cosmic rays would change the result to positive, than they are that these guys are going to test even 3*(fuck all), before people figure out that the method is hopeless. Vague mumblings on their site about "a chaos thing" does not make brute force search in that sort of keyspace any less hopeless.

      You can make $10,000 by solving a problem that's 1/(2^1472) as difficult by cracking RSA-576. Why are we paying attention to these guys?

    2. Re:Xbox Concern? by BitHive · · Score: 1

      I am now!

    3. Re:Xbox Concern? by Monkelectric · · Score: 1
      believe it or not, I realized that ... Its kind of like the movie Dumb and Dumber where jim carey asks this woman "honestly, what are my chances?" she replies, "1 in a million." and he says "So you're saying I have a chance!!"

      What I was trying to convey was that, with a trivial ammount of work MS could make *sure* the search would fail. Would probably take less then a week for a couple of their programmers to analyze the source and complete the job.

      --

      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    4. Re:Xbox Concern? by EvilNTUser · · Score: 1

      "What I was trying to convey was that, with a trivial ammount of work MS could make *sure* the search would fail. Would probably take less then a week for a couple of their programmers to analyze the source and complete the job.

      Yes, but it's too likely that knowledge of their tampering would leak. After that, it would be known that the key resides in the relatively small amount of space that's been checked. It would be trivial to go through it again using trusted systems and find the key that MS so graciously provided.

      --
      My Sig: SEGV
    5. Re:Xbox Concern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      OTOH, 1 second of thought could also make them sure the search would fail. Seriously, if you think they actually have a chance of finding the key, you might as well assume they're accidentally gonna send the same key out to two people, or (as grandfather post said) cosmic rays will change the result.

      Failure is guaranteed, you're more likely to survive jumping off the Empire State building (might be an updraft, might spontaneously grow wings, etc).

    6. Re:Xbox Concern? by Lord+Prox · · Score: 1

      A couple of things here...
      1. By not standing up and trying you are just lying down and saying "OK MS whatever you want"

      2. Most of the Distributed Computing Projects I have looked at use redundancy to ensure "SunSpots" don't pollute data. MS might be able to poison a result but can not know where the other processing blocks were sent or when.

      3. RSA is funny in how it does what it does (from what I understand) and that not all of the 2^2048 keyspace are useable keys. Something about useing prime numbers... A 1024 RSA key is like a 128 bit symetrical cypher. note: IANAC I am not a cryptologist


      Right, wrong, irrelevent. What is, is.
      Lord Prox

    7. Re:Xbox Concern? by StarCat76 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's see, a little math:
      2^2048 is about 3.23 x 10^616
      They've tried about 17 billion keys, which is approximately none of that.
      There are, as a higher estimate, 10^81 atoms in the universe.
      If they tried 10 trillion keys a day, it would take them only 8.85 x 10^597 years.
      There becomes a point where hope should be considered idiocricy.

    8. Re:Xbox Concern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I'm sorry you don't get to speak for me. I could be saying I don't want to run unsigned apps on my xbox, I could be saying I don't care about the xbox, I could be saying Fuck Lord Prox and his stupid Slashdot username (All bow to Lord Prox), or maybe I am older than the age of 13, and have decided I'm more mature then doing something just to "f|_|K M$!!@#!@#@# DUD3z!!!

    9. Re:Xbox Concern? by stud9920 · · Score: 1
      There becomes a point where hope should be considered idiocricy
      Dubya wouldn't have said betterer.
    10. Re:Xbox Concern? by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      1. By not standing up and trying you are just lying down and saying "OK MS whatever you want"

      I bet that's pretty much what King Canute said, as well.

  20. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by phavens · · Score: 1
    #include <stdio.h>

    int main()
    {
    int c;

    while ((c = getchar()) != EOF) {
    if (c >= 'a' && c <= 'z')
    putchar('a' + (c-'a'+13)%26);
    else if (c >= 'A' && c <= 'Z')
    putchar('A' + (c-'A'+13)%26);
    else
    putchar(c);
    }
    }

    OK I was bored.

    /. ok who's loosing spacing... hmmm...

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  21. it's not necessarily overrated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...since it has about 4x the performance of your Crusoe (which cycle for cycle is less than a P3), while keeping competitive battery life...that means it'd get 4x more work done per battery than you ;)

    Besides the marketing conundrum and plethora of P4-optimized code out there, there's little reason why the Pentium-M core isn't just moved into desktops. Cycle-for-cycle it beats the Athlons, and performance-per-watt is even higher.

    1. Re:it's not necessarily overrated... by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      In fact, I plan to buy a centrino book for this soul purpose. I figure the centrino should also have insane overclocking headroom, and if I'm lucky enough to get a board that's not from a company like dell, I can turn off all that power saving junk in bios. Intel has really done a great job on this processor, and hopefully, we will see a 2 meg cache version move to desktop (I've heard chatter along my channels about that move...) Oh well, i've blithered enough. "Don't swallow ducks, tell the swallow's to duck!"

      --
      "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." G.W.Bush
  22. Too bad the Pentium-M is about 3x as fast by systemapex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One less hour of battery life, but the Pentium-M is faster than an equally-clocked Pentium 4. The Crusoe would be a fraction the speed of the Pentium 4 yet that only buys you an extra hour of use. I think Transmeta is in _big_ trouble unless they've got something better up their sleeve.

  23. "We will not break any laws..." by Destoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Project founder Mike Curry said in an e-mail interview (...) "We will not actually break any laws until we crack the code," he said.

    (rofl)

    I hope these were not his exact words, because it's an "intention" of breaking the law, plain and simple.

    The problem with this distributed project is that both Microsoft and Mod Chips manufacturers/resellers are going to be against them. And that was not the case for SETI.
    (oh.. wait.. yes it was... (insert link to favorite alien race that does not want to be discovered))

    --
    Nouvelles de jeux et technologies en français. TC
    1. Re:"We will not break any laws..." by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 1

      Well, they've broken one of my laws. It requires .NET, so I'm not participating.

      --
      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
  24. Cameltino alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Has anyone noticed that the Centrino logo bears a striking resemblance to the Cameltoe logo?

  25. Justice, American-style by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    > There's no justice like american justice!

    Hey, I'll have you know that America has the best justice money can buy! :)

    1. Re:Justice, American-style by spudwiser · · Score: 1

      yeah, like cochrane

      --
      .cig - what you do after winning a good flame war
  26. frequency reuse by throwaway18 · · Score: 5, Informative
    >as if there can only be one message per frequency

    There are already systems allowing radio users such as taxi's and security guards to use the same frequencys.

    The same frequency is often allocated to firms in geographically seperate locations. A system called CTCSS is used so that even if a signal from the base transmitter of a building reaches the walkie talkie of a security guard miles away it dosn't come out of the speaker. CTCSS sends a low frequency tone along with the voice, the receivers only turn on the audio output when the correct tone is detected.

    Security guards don't talk on their radio all the time and the wanted signal are usually closer and stronger so it works well.

    Digital trunked radio systems, similar to cellular phone systems are also gaining ground.

  27. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    and here's a rot-26 decoder in rot-52:

    #include
    #include
    #define BUFSIZE 512

    int main (argc, argv)
    int argc;
    char *argv[];
    {
    char buf[BUFSIZE];
    int r;
    while ((r = read (0, buf, BUFSIZE-1)) > 0) {
    int i;
    for (i = 0; i r; i++) {
    int c;
    c = (int) buf[i];
    c *= 7; c -= buf[i] * 2; c /= 4;
    putc (c, stdout);
    }
    }
    if (r 0) {
    fprintf (stderr, "read: %s\n", strerror (errno));
    return (r);
    }
    return (0);
    }

  28. Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought he was using a free site, so maybe that is why you are getting those messages.

  29. Whatever for? by Jaeger · · Score: 1

    Top 40? That sounds like a waste of perfectly good media to me. I'd sooner have my ears ripped off my head than listen to that crap.

    1. Re:Whatever for? by unicron · · Score: 1

      I said just to do it, never said I'd like it.

      I also like to think that each genre has it's "top 40". So for me, right now it'd be whatever the disturbed-godsmack-foo-tool radio station is playing. Oh..and that used band..they fucking rock.

      --
      Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
    2. Re:Whatever for? by inflexion · · Score: 1

      You missed his point. He said he was going to do it "just to do it." He didn't say he was going to listen to the stuff.

  30. Oh the irony! by gearheadsmp · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The source code for the 'Operation Project Xbox' cruncher app is in VB!

    1. Re:Oh the irony! by banka · · Score: 1

      wtf?

      you tactfully fail to mention that all the core number-crunching code is in C++, and they are currently porting the entire app to C++ to make it cross-platform and command-line based.

  31. Mortgage by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    And if you had never applied for that mortgage in the first place, you would have saved a whole lot more! (provided of course you also did not take other credit offers)

    1. Re:Mortgage by Anonymous+Coed · · Score: 1

      So, I guess you've just got about $100,000 cash just lying around, in case you need to buy a house?

    2. Re:Mortgage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullcrap. Unless you are filthy rich, you either pay for rent or you pay a mortgage payment. The only difference is your rent money goes straight down the toilet while your mortgage payment helps you build equity AND gives you a tax deduction.

    3. Re:Mortgage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $100,000? Maybe for a trailer in the Ozarks...

    4. Re:Mortgage by more+fool+you · · Score: 1

      i suspect he lives at home. this is slashdot, after all

    5. Re:Mortgage by Anonymous+Coed · · Score: 1

      I was talking about the 'bare minimum'. My mortgage is about $160k for a very nice 2000 sq ft house in suburban Austin, built in 1999.

    6. Re:Mortgage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is uninformed, but all too common. Against the tax advantages of a home mortgage:

      1. Some ammount of rent may be tax dectable on state income taxes, so the tax advantages of a mortgage should be compared against that, if applicable.

      2. It makes sense to deduct mortgage interest if its greater than the standard deduction. For many people the difference may be negligable or would favor sticking with the standard deduction--it would depend to some extent on your state income tax burden.

      3. Property taxes. (Also deductable, but see above and below.)

      4. Even with the deduction, it's still money going out of your pocket. Multiply by .69, wince, weepeat.

      5. PMI isn't deductable. If you can't make 20% down, you will pay PMI. That is a real cost. And remember, if you have bad or not so good credit, i.e. your mortgage loan is classified as high risk, you will need 50% equity before removing it. Only those with good credit can take advantage of the law that automatically removes PMI.

      In sum, owning is not always more advantageous than renting. Expenses to consider include property taxes, pmi, loan fees, closing costs, home insurance, maintenance costs, and utilities that most lanlords and homeowners pay, but renters do not. Building equity is a good thing--if you are maxing out other tax-sheltered investment opportunities, and you paid a fair price for your property. A house is valuable as a place to live; as an investment you have to weigh it against other investment opportunities.

      Working people CAN avoid rent and avoid mortgage payments--eventually. A 30 year fixed rate mortgage in a house that's too expensive and pmi is not a sure route to financial independence. The record number of forclosures and bankruptcies in recent times attest to this. Prospective home buyers can save a lot of money in the long run by saving up to pay points, avoid pmi, and by getting into a position to afford the payments on a 15 year mortgage with its lower interest rates.

      The lesson is don't buy cds;). If you've been stupid and blown thousands of dollars like I've done, do what I'm doing and take that $12.60 check, frame it, and put it over your desk as a daily reminder of what a sucker you've been in the past.

    7. Re:Mortgage by mfrank · · Score: 1

      One nice thing about buying a house:

      House payments stay about the same. In six, seven years your house payment will be about the same as rent on an OK apartment. This assumes you buy the house and stay there for the duration, though.

      The most *important* things about buying a house:

      2) With a good home theater/stereo, you can really crank it. If I lived in an apartment, I'd be on a first-name basis with every cop in the town. :)

    8. Re:Mortgage by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't tell that to the CA people. There's already too many people wanting to live in Austin (I live in Dallas).

    9. Re:Mortgage by Anonymous+Coed · · Score: 1

      Austin population growth was about 6-7% per year since about 1997. Growth for 2002 was about 1%. We may be lucky to not lose people in 2003. I hope it picks up, though. I don't mind new residents as long as they know how to act civilized. Their money is definitely green.

  32. Oh, what to buy with 12.60... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    12.60 is almost enough to buy a spindle of CDR's...

  33. Did Anyone Else... by Quaoar · · Score: 1

    ...Read the title as "Centrinissimo Damages Software"?

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    I'll form my OWN solar system! With blackjack! And hookers!
  34. Why let mere math dash your dreams of $100,000? by blenderfish · · Score: 1

    Uhmm..
    brute force?
    2048 bits?

    So, like, the people in the _next_ iteration of the universe get to play MAME on their XBoxes?

    I've got more valuable NOPs and HLTs to execute with my spare cycles...

  35. Remember those old "100x compression" claims? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the world of personal computing was young, and new compression utilities seemed to be coming out every week, every so often you'd hear someone claim that they'd achived the holy grail - written a compression program that could compress its own output, or compress arbitrary files 100x, or perform some other impossibility. Wise people didn't believe them, because information theory strongly limits your ability to compress arbitrary data.

    In recent years, we've started hearing similar claims about the spectrum. Remember when impulse-based signal transmission was going to give us limitless bandwidth? This is more of the same.

    First, I'll explain the limits to transmission bandwidth. Then, I'll explain how Mr. Lessig is planning to get around them. Finally, I'll explain why it doesn't work.

    The spectrum, at the location of any given broadcast transmitter or broadcast receiver, is limited. The bandwidth - range of frequencies - available is fundamentally limited by the receiver's sampling rate (or frequency cutoff, for analog signals). There is no way to get around this, short of using more of the spectrum (by having a higher frequency cutoff). In the past, it was difficult to access even this much, due to the nature of the electronics used (response wasn't perfect, filtering wasn't perfect), but modern electronics are much better (as Mr. Lessig points out in his radio airplane example). The bandwidth limit, however, remains.

    The amount of information you can transmit within a given region of the spectrum doesn't depend solely on the bandwidth - it depends on both the bandwidth and the fidelity of your sampling within the band of interest (how many levels you can decode without noise if you're quantizing, or what your signal-to-noise ratio is if you're using a fully analog system or a digital system with very high fidelity). The number of bits of information you can stuff into a spectrum region per second is the log to the base 2 of the number of levels you can reliably distinguish from each other.

    This limit applies to any limited-bandwidth signal, regardless of the encoding scheme used. Use spread-spectrum transmission to smear a narrow-band signal over a wider region of the spectrum, and the limit just tells you how many signals you can broadcast this way before the noise floor swamps all signals. The mention of spread-spectrum transmission in the article is a red herring - it doesn't gain you data capacity (it's used for other reasons).

    If your system is purely a broadcasting one - sending in all directions, receiving in all directions, no wormholes or relays - this is the best you can do.

    You can improve the situation somewhat by trying to beamcast messages instead of broadcasting them. However, this still has problems. Firstly, your "beam" is really a cone. Secondly, your transmitter/receiver is larger, as you need a dish or a carefully shaped antenna or a large array of antennas and some signal processing to get direction-selectivity. Both are caused by diffraction limits related to the wavelengths of the signals being used - a fundamental process that can't be avoided. Thus, while it's used for transmitters (take a look at a cell tower some time), it's not practical for receivers. Either way, you end up with a fixed, finite gain in capacity, as the narrowness of a transmitter's beam can't be made smaller than a certain amount without requiring an extremely large transmitter.

    So what about the idea of having short-range transmitters/receivers, and relaying between them? Well, this works to some extent. However, you must have a non-broadcast backbone. Solely relying on the short-range units for signal relaying bogs down very quickly. Consider an area with transceivers uniformly distributed in it, with source and destination points for any given communication chosen at random. Draw a line through the middle of the region. With N transceivers, the number of signals crossing the boundary goes up as O(N), but the number of nodes on the boundary that can do

    1. Re:Remember those old "100x compression" claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Except that spread-spectrum transmissions can actually Transmit BELOW the noise-floor, so therefore can also Receive data BELOW the noise floor.
      This is achieved by increasing the bandwidth of the transmission (to sometimes several MHz), and using code-division multiplexing to allow different transmitters to use the same frequency band as other transmitters.
      These systems rely on the code used in the code division multiplexing to be unique.
      The code is actually mathematically very close to Cyclic Redundancy code used in CD's.
      It follows that this code must therefore be long enough to allow other transmitters to use the same frequency base. The electronics of the receiver actually rely on convolving the noise received out of the air with the Code used by the transmitter.
      The cost, with this system is that the data throughput is reduced, due to the length of the Code transmitted.

      So : it IS possible to have unlimited users on the same frequency band, but the Throughput for the system will be necessarily reduced, and limited by the absolute maximum frequency (and to a lesser extent, power) that the Transmitter/Reciever pair are capable of using.

    2. Re:Remember those old "100x compression" claims? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 1

      Except that spread-spectrum transmissions can actually Transmit BELOW the noise-floor, so therefore can also Receive data BELOW the noise floor.

      They transmit below the noise floor of narrow-band transmissions with the same data rate. All you're doing is switching from frequency space to code space. The noise floor is still there, it just looks different.

      Do all the code division multiplexing you want - detector sensitivity still limits what you can stuff into a given region of the spectrum, with the math described in my original post. Whether you're doing it by having a thousand 1-kHz signals in separate bands or a thousand 1-MHz spread-spectrum signals in the same band is immaterial.

    3. Re:Remember those old "100x compression" claims? by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 1

      it IS possible to have unlimited users on the same frequency band, but the Throughput for the system will be necessarily reduced

      And this is why I distinguished between "data rate" and "bandwidth". HTH.

  36. Pentium-M by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This chip should be used in blade servers. Better performance at 1.6Ghz then the desktop 2.66Ghz P4 and thermal energy output of only 24.5W. It's a natural for blade servers. Compared to the Pentium 3 cpu's commonly found in blade servers today it's fast and produces less heat, so the only barrier would be cost, but whole laptops built around this don't cost much more than a blade server so it should be doable.

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    1. Re:Pentium-M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If I correctly understood the articles I've read, Pentium-M is designed around a bus that does not support SMP. This is part of its power saving strategy, but it also makes it a bad choice for a line of servers.

    2. Re:Pentium-M by JPriest · · Score: 1

      The Centrino is a breakthrough design and aspects of the Timna were used in other Intel CPU's. I think anandtech said their 1.6 GHz Centrino setup is a little faster than the 2.4GHz Mobile P4. It's pretty safe to say that some of the Centrino technology will be used in future processors.

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    3. Re:Pentium-M by afidel · · Score: 1

      Blade servers are generally single processor so this is not much of a problem.

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    4. Re:Pentium-M by Animats · · Score: 1

      This is not a "breakthrough design". This is a nice piece of low-power engineering, coupled with heavy branding. The Pentium Pro, the first microprocessor with modern superscalar architecture, was a breakthrough design. Everything since then has been minor by comparison.

  37. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is the FBI. You have violated Federal law in bypassing a copy-protection scheme. Please report to your nearest DMCA-violators detention center for sentencing, from whence, thanks to the Patriot Act 2, we can now deport you to Morocco for questioning and Iraq to serve out your sentence.

    Have a nice day.

    --
    You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
  38. my head hurts by cubal · · Score: 3, Funny

    Recursive Code! Let me get this straight: I need to decode this so I can compile it so I can decode the code in order to compile in the first place... my head hurts :P

  39. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking for these? < >
    I'll sell you two pairs for the low, low price of 5 karma.

  40. EFF-it by mlknowle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's my suggestions:

    everyone who receives their $12 check DONATE IT to the EFF right away - what a great gesture, and what a great fundraising opportunity.

  41. Not really by dark-nl · · Score: 1

    For most people, the alternative to taking a mortage is to pay rent, which is an even worse deal.

  42. Re:$12.60! That's a lotta good sh!t, man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    With your hard-won $12.60 you can buy half an RIAA-sanctioned CD, or fifteen CD-R blanks. I hope you all know the right answer to this conundrum..
    Remember, friends, SHARE your music!
    for all you free-as-in-beer fanatics, check out Shareaza! The next generation of P2P is at hand!

  43. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see your ROT13 decoder and raise you one bookmarklet to decode it.

  44. I know I'll regret this... by morgajel · · Score: 3, Informative

    my poor webserver.

    I actually started mapping out which countries were implementing linux in their government, but it became too much of a hassle.

    please go easy on my server....

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    1. Re:I know I'll regret this... by lommer · · Score: 1

      Cool, be sure to update it with a different colour when some governments actually use/mandate linux.

  45. negative, good fellow by Herr_Nightingale · · Score: 1

    That's funny, I'm using the Proxomitron and I haven't experienced any problems with the site.. all popups blocked with extreme prejudice but I sure as hell don't feel any pain. Without evidence of Anti-Leech, I'll have to just take your word for it; however, based on my experience, I'd say the guy's not a hypocrite..

    On the other hand, do you really care about one measly popup (or two, or whatever you unproxomitronic people get) that much? I mean, how many times do you even visit the site? Regular Kazaa, on the other hand, installs a whole lotta spyware that gives you perpetual popups and ads whenever you use a browser. If I didn't block the popups, I think I'd consider it a worthy trade.

  46. Q&A by Townshend · · Score: 1

    $12.60 eh? Not bad. However, I still find this funny in their Q&A:

    1. Am I being sued?
    No, you are not being sued. Certain companies are being sued.

    Wow..

  47. YOU FAIL IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  48. What law? by yerricde · · Score: 1

    because it's an "intention" of breaking the law

    What law? The DMCA? That applies only when you (quote the law here). To which "work protected under this title" (Title 17, U.S. Code) would the suit relate?

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    1. Re:What law? by Destoo · · Score: 1

      let's see..
      I'm no jurist, but here's what I can decipher...

      "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."
      1201, a,1,A.

      Anything in the machine could be copywrited.
      It could be a digital render of a song by the beatles or it could be an encrypted .txt file with a poem by Bill Gates.

      So under the DMCA, just "disabling" that protection would be the illegal act.

      Let's say no games will work unless they are somehow transformed by that piece of code, which is a transform of a copyrighted document..
      Just like someone suggested a few months ago to use a (c) work for e-mail authentication, and any spammer using that work would be infringing on my (c), so they would be doing something illegal.

      You're probably right, btw. and I'm just rambling. (some will say trolling..)
      He probably spoke to his lawyers before saying that in an e-mail interview, right?

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  49. WOW! $12.60!! by DeVilla · · Score: 3, Funny
    With that I can almost buy a new CD!

    BUYAH!

  50. Rebutle by Lord+Prox · · Score: 1

    I could be saying Fuck Lord Prox and his stupid Slashdot username (All bow to Lord Prox), or maybe I am older than the age of 13

    Or mabey not...

    hahahaha

    Right, wrong, irrelevent. What is, is. Lord Prox

  51. Ironic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You criticize the language used to write the code, but you don't examine the source code.

    If you examined the code, you'd find that the project is attempting to factor a 2048-bit number through the process of trial division.

    Not Dixon's method. Not the Quadratic Sieve. Not the General Number Field Sieve. Not even Pollard's rho method.

    Trial divison.

    Operation Project X is doomed to failure, regardless of the language.

  52. Perhaps... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That is what they are counting on... the whole effort is a giant ruse to get Microsoft to send them the real key! Much easier than the brute force approach.

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  53. Re:a ROT-13 decoder if you need it (ROT-13 encoded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or you could use this nifty little bookmarklet

    javascript:var coding = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmABCDEFGHIJ KLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGHIJKLM"; function rot13(t) { for (var r = "",i=0;i -1) character = coding.charAt(position + 13); r += character; } return r; } S=window.getSelection(); function t(N) { return N.nodeType == N.TEXT_NODE; } function r(N) { if (t(N)) N.data = rot13(N.data); } for (j=0;jS.rangeCount;++j) { var g=S.getRangeAt(j), e=g.startContainer, f=g.endContainer, E=g.startOffset, F=g.endOffset, m=(e==f); if(!m||!t(e)) { /* rot13 each text node between e and f, not including e and f. */ q=document.createTreeWalker(g.commonAncestorContai ner, NodeFilter.SHOW_ELEMENT | NodeFilter.SHOW_TEXT, null, false); q.currentNode=e; for(N=q.nextNode(); N && N != f; N = q.nextNode()) r(N); } if (t(f)) f.splitText(F); if (!m) r(f); if (t(e)) { r(k=e.splitText(E)); if(m)f=k; e=k;} if (t(f)) g.setEnd(f,f.data.length); } void 0

    it rot13's currently selected text. so far only mozilla that I am sure of.

    It took me about 5 years, but I've finally actually started liking javascript.

  54. IANACryptologist.... by darqchild · · Score: 1

    How RSA works in a nutshell ( I think) and Why we don't have to try all the keys:

    First a key set is created:
    you pick a number E, and 2 prime numbers P and Q.
    There are some constraints on what you can use for E, but i don't remember them now.

    E will be your encrypting key.

    Then you calculate your decrypting key D with the following equasion
    D = ( P - 1 )(Q - 1) / E

    Now, to encrypt our clear text T we use this equasion:

    T' = T^E % N
    where N is the product of P and Q

    Decryption is the same, except we raise T to the Dth power rather than the Eth power.

    Now, one key is used as the public key, and we distribute N with it.

    Why it works:
    encryption and decryption is done using a key, and the value N. However, to mathematically determine the private key from the public key, it is necessary to factor N back into P and Q. If P and Q are very large numbers, this will take a very very very long time.

    So, we're not bruteforcing the keyspace, we're just trying to factor the modulus of the MS public key, so we can calculate the private key.

    Now, since P and Q are primes, we can use a primality test to determine potential candidates, and eliminate ~80% of the wrong values, without much work.

    There... now i hope i didn't make too many mistakes

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  55. There is no "engineering" in software by mitcharoni · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is my bone to pick:

    As a student of mechanical engineering, I understand that engineering is the *physical* application of physics and real science to a particular problem. This is true of any engineering discipline, be it mechanical, electrical, chemical, civil, hydraulic, whatever. Computer engineering is considered a EE discipline since its focuses on hardware, not software, engineering.

    Professional engineers (PE's) must be licensed in their respective states to practice, similiar to a lawyer or doctor having a license to practice. Having a BSxE degree simply won't allow you to sign off and carry the professional liability that goes with building a very expensive highway, electrical subsystem, or water dam. I've never seen a programmer routinely/successfully sued for developing bad code that crashes a lot, but I've seen plenty of engineers lose their practices when structures they've designed collapse. Go read your state's PE licensing requirements and you'll see for yourself.

    Are programmers smart? Yes. Do they routinely make use of advanced math, physics, and logic? Yes. Do they put in late hours like a lot of engineers do? Yes. Do that make them an engineer? NO!

    Calling oneself a software engineer is simply a fraud and a way to trump up ones own self-importance by riding the coattails of others. Its like "sales engineers"...what the hell is that? That's a way to make a job sound more important than it really is.

    BTW, I'm much more the computer programmer type than I will ever be a mechanical engineer. But I will NEVER call myself a "software engineer". There's just no engineering in anything I do.

    1. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by PhipleTroenix · · Score: 1

      I believe the term "Software Engineer" is a tribute to engineers. Rewind 20 years: software development was hacking. The academics looked around for a model to aspire to, and saw that engineers were doing project management correctly.

      I once refused to put Software Architect on my business card. My reasoning was that I was employed in the construction industry and wanted to avoid confusion. I might have done it if I'd worked in another industry.

      You might have more luck advocating for professional tain driver as a vocation.

      As a student of mechanical engineering...There's just no engineering in anything I do.

      These are the kinds of mutexes that SE tries to eliminate.

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    2. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by hughk · · Score: 1
      Having a BSxE degree simply won't allow you to sign off and carry the professional liability that goes with building a very expensive highway, electrical subsystem, or water dam.
      You are a student, you have not tried to run high-end projects, so you may be forgiven for thinking that we can not be sued for producing bad systems. This is also why professional indemnity insurance is considered a good idea for consultants.

      Acceptance as a full member of certain professional organisations allows you to call yourself an engineer. Generally it meens an academic qualification plus a few years project experience. Actually the same goes for the 'classic' engineering disciplines too, academice experince alone means that you are just halfway there.

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    3. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the sited article, the author makes his most critical point:

      "The precision of traditional computer science has a drawback, however. The problems that are solved are those that are amenable to precise solutions. These problems are, by definition, tightly defined, with no mushy statements or an unacceptably high number of variables. In short, these problems are easier than real-world problems that aren't conveniently narrowed."

      This says it all to me. In reality, systems design and the resultant programming implementation are truely a mixture of Art and Science.

      Software is made for people to use - either directly, such as a productivity application on a personal computer - or indirectly, such as a program embedded in a microprocessor in a car. As people become more sophisticated in their use of software, they expect software to do things that come naturally to people. This makes programs more complex, and provides situations that sometimes can not be well defined in advance, or ever over the life of the application yet still needs to be adressed in the program!.

      If we, as computer scientists, force the definitions of problems to fit neatly within acceptable scientific boundaries, we invariably produce a product that is unusable by human beings over the long run. I see this in the real world all of the time; development teams that insist that every aspect of the specification be written before coding is accomplished - and once coding starts, no changes are allowed (this is commonly referred to as the 'waterfall' lifecycle - i.e. - design, spec, build, maintain, deprecate - a one path solution).

      As a developer/programmer, I have been advocating a more holistic view of software development. We, as programmers, are not here simply to satisfy our own egos; we are here to help people through our work. If there were no people there would be no need for software, as tautological as this sounds, it is indeed true, and something programmers should think about every day.

      Along these lines I advocate an iterative lifecycle model (and you will see similar ideas called other things, such as the 'ready, shoot, aim' approach of software design as put forward in the 'Pragmatic Programmer' [don't have the author's names or the publisher...sorry]

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    4. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

      To continue my thoughts:

      The main point I want to make is that regardless of what we call ourselves, we must recognize and teach what goes on in the real world, in addition to the purely theoretical and lofty concepts that reside in the ivory towers.

      Maybe a definition would help matters -

      To engineer: To plan, manage, and put through by skillful acts or contrivance.

      Given that definition, I don't see a problem with calling ourselves 'Software Engineers'.

      On the other hand my title has the word 'Developer'in it, and I find that a good choice as well.

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    5. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by smithmc · · Score: 1

      As a student of mechanical engineering, I understand that engineering is the *physical* application of physics and real science to a particular problem.

      Why "physical"? Just because you say so? Software engineering is the process of applying current knowledge about computing to design systems of software and/or hardware that solve particular human problems. How is that not engineering?

      And as for licensing/liability issues... once upon a time, electrical engineers weren't licensed, either. Their field was too new, and not so well understood. With time, that changed. With time, it will change for software professionals, too.

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    6. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by BasharTeg · · Score: 1
      engineer n 1: a person who uses scientific knowledge to solve practical problems

      The term engineer used to mean "someone who operated an engine." The term has been expanded to involve those "who [use] scientific knowledge to solve practical problems." But the "hard sciences" community often wants to exclude software engineers because our science is entirely informational. Being informational is not the same as being theoretical. Our problems are practical, often times much more applied and practical than many hard science problems (look at the ratio of "pure science" in CompSci vs other sciences).

      Then again, we are all familiar with the arrogance and cut-throat nature of the science community as a whole, as far as it stretches back in modern history. Hard science "engineers" playing their political and word games make politicians and journalists looks like saints.

      I think the fact that we don't code for fame (try to name some famous programmers who are famous to anyone except other programmers) and to make a history book "name" for ourselves makes our motives and our decidication to our science or "engineering" if you prefer, much more respectable.

      Times change. Word definitions change. The hard sciences academic conservatism will not stop the wheels of time from moving beyond them. This is the information age, welcome to reality.

    7. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by mitcharoni · · Score: 1

      A tribute to engineers? More like identity theft. ;-)

    8. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by mitcharoni · · Score: 1

      Maybe I wasn't clear about the student thing. I meant, and it wasn't obvious, that I have been to college and went through the mechanical engineering cirriculum. That was over 10 years ago. I'm now an Oracle consultant since I found that ME is not the exciting field I once thought it to be. Here in Texas its all about HVAC. Boring!

      In my years as a software consultant, I have managed a great many high-end projects, but project management doesn't make an engineer. That seems to be a recurring theme in these responses. I NEVER learned project management in school. I learned lots of physics and lots of math. I would go so far as to say an engineering degree is a glorified physics/math degree. And thats coming from someone who's been through the process.

      I understand that in the process of migrating a financial system, if I lose someone's data, I'm liable for that. Hence, my company carries ~$10 million in professional liability insurance. That's not the professional liability I'm talking about in engineering.

      I'm not saying systems developers never get sued. I'm just saying its extremely rare.

    9. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by mitcharoni · · Score: 1

      Because EVERY engineering discipline is fundamentally about applying physics in the real world. Hopefully to one's advantage. ;-)

      Once upon a time, we didn't have electricity either. Or airplanes. That doesn't negate the science and physics require to make those happen.

      My dog digs a hole in the ground to keep cool in the summers. That's applying some knowledge (and some science) that solves a particular problem. Trust me when I say she ain't an engineer. It goes beyond that. Most engineering disciplines are not based on current knowledge. They're based on practices and science and concepts that have existed for hundreds of years. Think calculus, Roman aqueducts, pyramids, windmills, dams/dikes, steamboats.

    10. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by Tyrall · · Score: 1

      Think ones and zeros. They predate a whole bunch of things, and are the primary building blocks used by software engineers. :P

      Engineering software is not the same as writing software. Software Engineering involves far more than just coding, in the same way that civil or structural engineers do more than just go out and build bridges.

    11. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by hughk · · Score: 1
      Sorry, I misunderstood you but I agree that all I leaned about running big projects was out of school.

      I'm curious though about your definition of liability though. I've never been in the construction industry myself but have had a lot in the family (land surveyors and civil engineers). I don't really see a difference on a project. The main criteria is "who has sign-off".

      What do you see as being different about running a large s/w project to running a large project in a conventional area? Certainly, if a major project where I have sign-off ever went bottom up, I would have great deal of problems, so where is the difference?

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    12. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by mitcharoni · · Score: 1

      Buddy, if you coded in all ones and zeroes all the time, you can call yourself whatever you want!!! ;-)

      Why can't anyone pin down exactly how software "engineering" differs from programming/coding? All I hear is it's different, or more complex. How so? And why aren't they able to teach it in school?

      I can point to exactly why engineering a combustion engine or a roadway is different from building them. That's why there's engineers and why there's fabricators or construction workers. Big difference.

    13. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by mitcharoni · · Score: 1

      Its liability in a different sense than just money changing hands when something goes bad.

      As a PE, you've demonstrated that you have the competency in your particular field to engineer solutions so as not to endanger people. Signing off on a software design document is not the same thing as signing off and putting your engineer's or land surveyor's seal on your plans. It has nothing to do with project management. Its the same responsibility to society that lawyers (to protect the innocent) and doctors (to heal the sick) have, though admittedly not nearly on the same scale.

      Engineers are dealing with catastrophic forces that want to wreck everything they build all the time. Overcoming that is what engineering is really about.

      If you build a roadway across a bridge I engineered and it collapses, that's catastrophic. My application not working against your published API is not catastrophic.

      Maybe I explained it, maybe not. ;-)

    14. Re:There is no "engineering" in software by hughk · · Score: 1
      Ok, first I should say that many of my family have been civil engineers and land surveyors. I know what their sign-off means. On the land survey side, very little was done that could endanger people, mostly it was the basis that people would use your plans to establish ownership rights and as starting point for construction projects.

      Is the problem about APIs? Well, no APIs aren't what is important, otherwise we would have over half the software suppliers in the dock. What is important is whether it does the job.

      I also know what it is to sign off on a project which is important to a lot of people. On one such project, we are talking about the securities depository for a small country. Who owns what company is defined by the contents of the depository, not by physical share certificates. There is registary data, but it lags behind the depository by up to about a year.

      If something goes wrong, not only do I take financial liability, but it is possible that I would end up in prison. One of the reasons for the system is that some persons took advantage of a rather inadequate preceding system and a very convenient disk crash to attempt to cover up a major fraud.

      For this, not only was I running the development project for the system, but I was also responsible for the laws, regulations and operating procedures. I did none of the work, I just guided and managed the project, acting as a consultant and project manager.

      The difference is that I was responsible for delivering a solution not just a program. Other expats I met out in the country were engineers and our work really wasn't that different.

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  56. $12.60 by rickwood · · Score: 1

    I guess I won't have to sell crack anymore now that I can almost take a date to the movies.

  57. Nothing funny about it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This IS the record industry we're talking about here-- they already assume all their customers are thieves. This is actually a somewhat valid question.

  58. Disagree. Software Engineering IS possible. by dwheeler · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I would define engineering as the application of scientific knowledge to the solution of practical problems. In the field, "software engineering" implies knowledge of not just algorithms, but also of knowledge of how to organize people and processes so that they can solve large-scale problems. Dictionaries generally lag the use of the language, so it's not surprising that some dictionaries presume that science only includes the physical sciences.

    In short, there is a software engineering field, because there's a field that applies scientific knowledge to solve practical problems. Yes, the science is immature. A great deal of the current information consists of rules-of-thumb based on statistical analysis of past projects. (e.g., cost and schedule models). But that's how many other engineering disciplines started too.

    Computer scientists are necessary to identify the basics, just as physicists and chemists are needed to identify fundamental scientific properties needed to build a bridge. But physicists and chemists shouldn't be designing or building bridges, unless they are also engineers. You need people who can bridge the gap between the science and the problem to produce an answer.

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  59. I LOVE the GIMP, but... by cascadefx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I'll still think of it as the GIMP for a few years ;)


    the name is offensive to some people.

    I use the GIMP all the time. I have my own copy of Grokking the GIMP. It is a great tool and I think it is an easy way to show people the power of Open Source programming.

    However, no matter who I mention it too (outside of people who use Open Source), they always take issue with the name in some way.

    Either they are crude: "Cool, they named that program after a sex slave|cripple|etc." Which I don't want to associate with Open Source.

    or, they are shocked and outraged: "Nice program, but I would never use it. The name is offensive to the disabled community."

    Some people look past the name and I explain that it is an acronym. Still, and a good point, they mention that any acronym could have been made up. "Whoever did it thought they were being clever."

    What do other people think of the name? This may be off-topic, but I am interested to find out. Could project names stop the widespread adoption of Open Source?

    Case in point. The Bootable Linux Forensic CD distro biatchux recently changed its name to F.I.R.E or (Forensic and Incident Response Environment). I am not sure why, but my guess is to aid its adoption rate among the group (mostly security and law enforcement) that needs it most. The name biatchux may be off-putting in the company report after all.

    I put it to the /. community. What do you think about some of the project names out there? What are some of the quote-unquote worst and best? Have any others changed names for similar reasons?

    I am not passing judgement, mind you. I am just asking.

  60. Re:WOW! $12.60!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, you could buy a pirated CD for that much...

  61. Not the first by yerricde · · Score: 1

    The Pentium Pro, the first microprocessor with modern superscalar architecture, was a breakthrough design.

    Wasn't the whole Pentium Pro design "inspired" by Digital's Alpha or some other RISC design that was popular at the time?

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    1. Re:Not the first by Animats · · Score: 1
      No, the Alpha is a rather straightforward RISC machine. The Pentium Pro (and the II, II, IV, which are based on it) has a completely different internal model than the one the programmer sees. Internally, it's a dataflow machine with about 40 registers. Externally, it's an x86.

      AMD, incidentally, uses a different approach. AMD expands instructions to a RISC-like form at cache load time.

  62. You seem to have missed the USA by sawilson · · Score: 1

    unless you don't count the Deparment Of Homeland
    Security as big enough to put the USA on the list.

    1. Re:You seem to have missed the USA by morgajel · · Score: 1

      Actually I didn't include it because I planned on doing a map of the 50 states, but I've been too busy with trying to graduate to work on it.

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  63. $12.60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great....Now I can buy about three tablespoons of gas.

  64. Habeas is based on a trademark by yerricde · · Score: 1

    Anything in the machine could be copywrited.

    First, read Sega v. Accolade (limited precential value because it came before the DMCA, but some nonetheless). Second, the broad Universal v. Reimerdes interpretation of 1201(a) is limited to one federal circuit; another circuit has acquitted a defendant (U.S. v. Elcomsoft), and an argument from 17 USC 117 and Sega may help. Third, ask your congresscritters to put their support behind the BALANCE Act.

    Just like someone suggested a few months ago to use a (c) work for e-mail authentication

    Though there is a copyrighted work involved in the Habeas system, it primarily relies on the HABEAS(tm) warrant mark.

    Let's say no games will work unless they are somehow transformed by that piece of code, which is a transform of a copyrighted document

    For one thing, the lockout on the Xbox is not an encrypted binary (the binary is stored as cleartext) but rather an encrypted hash; that may have some "last straw" legal weight. For another, the copyright in an Xbox program that doesn't use the Microsoft XDK libraries is owned not by Microsoft but by the author of the program (e.g. Linus Torvalds, Free Software Foundation, XFree86.org, etc), so it'd be completely "with the authority of the copyright owner" as described in the DMCA.

    Of course, nothing you read on Slashdot is legal advice.

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