While I completely agree with your sentiment about being upfront... I don't agree with calling it "stealing".
Who clicked on the link?
Who has Java enabled on their browser?
Who has cookies enabled on their browser?
It isn't like he is doing anything "tricky" or using some "bug" to pull this off. The page doesn't "trap" you. It doesn't eat your CPU and make it impossible to quit the app or go to another page. And, for me, it didn't crash anything.
I *really* don't understand how this can even remotely be considered stealing. Every single item is being used *as*designed* both by the web author and you.
The way I see it... someone jumped in a pool... and now they are bitching about your clothes being wet?
I personally wouldn't call it "stealing". You pretty much agreed to run Java. Yes, you could be a clueless noob and knot *know* that your browser has it enabled... but, nobody is *making* you run java applets.
I don't shove it down your pipe... you ask for it.
Of course this line of reasoning could be extended too far... like the case of all the porn pop-ups... but, even there... I tend to feel that the user is ultimately in control (or should be!) of their own computer. Install Mozilla and don't suffer the pop-ups.
Better yet... and this is the approach I myself practice... go away. Any time I find a site that ticks me off (bad Java/JavaScript that causes browser naughtiness), I add them to my banned list on my proxy... and never have to suffer the site again.
Not even unintentionally.
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Not only that... but my CPU monitor went to a hundred percent.
Yeah, it is a low priority thread... but... I did notice.
He doesn't want to apply engineering rules to a human society.
He wants to fix a technical problem. The problem is that the system has the wrong level of "trust". It was devised by honest men who did not forsee the lie-ing, scheeming bastards that would eventually use it.
It was designed to trust the user's input.
New data suggest that the design specs were invalid. So, you re-engineer the solution to account for the new data.
Simple engineering problem.
BTW... a sociologist could have helped with the initial design... a lawyer would have sued you for not making it "handicap accessible" and the politician makes the lawyer's actions legal.;-)
Even with their "we'll show you the source" programs you can't compile and compare checksums to make sure you are shown the source to the code that actually generated the binaries you are running...
Chances are that if you need to read/write NTFS drives... you have an OS that put the data on the drives.
More times than not...
Now, why might I need this?
Suppose I'm doing a project in Delphi and Kylix... I may want to scoot over to my NTFS drive to pick up some code I wrote last night to put into the Kylix version... and I don't want to reboot to do it.
I'm still SOL going the other way tho... (of course I have a server that I back both systems up to, and that is how I've "solved" the problem... this reduces the hardware need a bit)
Is this standards compliant XML? If so, how can you put a patent claim on me using the data? Especially if I use standard, off the shelf tools to do so.
I could understand if they claimed a copyright on the schema. But, I don't understand how a patent applies.
There is no reason that a person can't post to/. as a *part* of doing their job.
I saw nothing in the original post to indicate that this was the sole method of research being used. I do consider asking peers for their advice to be a valid tool... and part of a valid research methodology.
Contrary to popular belief, there are some good ideas floating amongst the scum... you just need proper filtering.
Mine works fine... dual 133Mhz Pentium classic... Tyan Mobo.
Linux OS is installed on my trusty old 1.6 Gig Maxtor hard drive (Mondo restore copy on CD... just waiting for it to die so I can put in the "big" 4 Gig drive;-)) and a Maxtor 160 G for storage... formatted using ReiserFS.
Just set the controller to ignore the hard drive and let Linux figure it out once it boots.
Hardest part was turning off the controller in the BIOS. (not hard)
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What is so hard about "Save As RTF"?
Even someone running Word can figure out how to open it...
Maybe you could get two... and stack 'em. ;-)
I do understand what you are saying.
But, at the end of the day... you look in the web server logs and you see a request from a computer asking for a Java applet.
What is it supposed to do... somehow know that the person in front of the browser was not smart enough to really make the call?
At some point you have to say that a valid request was made... and honor the request.
While I completely agree with your sentiment about being upfront... I don't agree with calling it "stealing".
Who clicked on the link?
Who has Java enabled on their browser?
Who has cookies enabled on their browser?
It isn't like he is doing anything "tricky" or using some "bug" to pull this off. The page doesn't "trap" you. It doesn't eat your CPU and make it impossible to quit the app or go to another page. And, for me, it didn't crash anything.
I *really* don't understand how this can even remotely be considered stealing. Every single item is being used *as*designed* both by the web author and you.
The way I see it... someone jumped in a pool... and now they are bitching about your clothes being wet?
I personally wouldn't call it "stealing". You pretty much agreed to run Java. Yes, you could be a clueless noob and knot *know* that your browser has it enabled... but, nobody is *making* you run java applets.
I don't shove it down your pipe... you ask for it.
Of course this line of reasoning could be extended too far... like the case of all the porn pop-ups... but, even there... I tend to feel that the user is ultimately in control (or should be!) of their own computer. Install Mozilla and don't suffer the pop-ups.
Better yet... and this is the approach I myself practice... go away. Any time I find a site that ticks me off (bad Java/JavaScript that causes browser naughtiness), I add them to my banned list on my proxy... and never have to suffer the site again.
Not even unintentionally.
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Not only that... but my CPU monitor went to a hundred percent.
Yeah, it is a low priority thread... but... I did notice.
P.S. "you" does not mean you personally...
He doesn't want to apply engineering rules to a human society.
;-)
He wants to fix a technical problem. The problem is that the system has the wrong level of "trust". It was devised by honest men who did not forsee the lie-ing, scheeming bastards that would eventually use it.
It was designed to trust the user's input.
New data suggest that the design specs were invalid. So, you re-engineer the solution to account for the new data.
Simple engineering problem.
BTW... a sociologist could have helped with the initial design... a lawyer would have sued you for not making it "handicap accessible" and the politician makes the lawyer's actions legal.
Reminds me of a .sig I saw somewhere...
Goes something like this:
The war on terror works just like the war on drugs.
You can still buy drugs... and guns... and most other contraband.
Unless you consider all that "math stuff" to be important. ;-)
Those cows weren't free.
Good 'ole greed had a big hand in the pot.
If I were to try and implement the Windows solution... it would take me a long time. Possibly even days.
I don't do Windows... so, I'd have to fight a learning curve... and a trust curve, to implement it.
I do Linux.
I can implement a Samba domain in less than 30 minutes (including OS install). It is easy for me... because that is what I do.
I *used* to do Windows, but I got tired of having to *redo* Windows. It just quit working a lot... for reasons unknown.
Anyway... TCO can't be determined properly without looking at the skills of the people implementing the solutions.
And... the reason people around here push linux solutions may have something to do whith their skills. You push what you know.
How would you know?
Even with their "we'll show you the source" programs you can't compile and compare checksums to make sure you are shown the source to the code that actually generated the binaries you are running...
Can you?
Chances are that if you need to read/write NTFS drives... you have an OS that put the data on the drives.
More times than not...
Now, why might I need this?
Suppose I'm doing a project in Delphi and Kylix... I may want to scoot over to my NTFS drive to pick up some code I wrote last night to put into the Kylix version... and I don't want to reboot to do it.
I'm still SOL going the other way tho... (of course I have a server that I back both systems up to, and that is how I've "solved" the problem... this reduces the hardware need a bit)
Try printing a report and controlling banding... footers... headers... etc.
Make the printer spit out the current page and start on the next page because you need another inch of paper to print the section intact.
OK... IANAL.
But, how do you patent a schema?
Is this standards compliant XML? If so, how can you put a patent claim on me using the data? Especially if I use standard, off the shelf tools to do so.
I could understand if they claimed a copyright on the schema. But, I don't understand how a patent applies.
Not for your data.
5 years is 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year... or 2000 hours.
;-)
I got SIX months experience the TWO months I screwed around trying to set up a *working* active directory.
Wow... did they pick a bad name, or what!?
There are only 5 posts (as I type this)... I didn't think people read the articles before posting.
Hm... might need to rethink that.
It is a spiritual enemy that will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus and pray for this nation and for our leaders.
It is a demonic presence ... that God revealed to me as the enemy.
We should invade immediately
There is no reason that a person can't post to /. as a *part* of doing their job.
I saw nothing in the original post to indicate that this was the sole method of research being used. I do consider asking peers for their advice to be a valid tool... and part of a valid research methodology.
Contrary to popular belief, there are some good ideas floating amongst the scum... you just need proper filtering.
Ever been in the military?
You give up a lot of rights to protect the rights of others...
Dude...
You are doing Windows programming for dirt.
How are you going to hurt your reputation?
Contact the guy.
You *think* your main selling point is your performance, it isn't.
Your main selling point is $9/hr.
If you want to change that... contact the guy.
How many people are you hosing when you bounce the server during the "Micorosoft Patch of the Week"?
What about while "troubleshooting" it?
Instead of pissing off one person at a time... you end up pissing everyone off.
Very bad for your career.
>>Is there a way to get that from Linux, apart from setting up CVS or similar software?
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Since they are using Linux... obviously a yes.
This comes to mind:
http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapsh
Mine works fine... dual 133Mhz Pentium classic... Tyan Mobo.
;-)) and a Maxtor 160 G for storage... formatted using ReiserFS.
Linux OS is installed on my trusty old 1.6 Gig Maxtor hard drive (Mondo restore copy on CD... just waiting for it to die so I can put in the "big" 4 Gig drive
Just set the controller to ignore the hard drive and let Linux figure it out once it boots.
Hardest part was turning off the controller in the BIOS. (not hard)
And how did your control group do?
What language was Perl compared to using this methodology?
Did the test subjects have experience with Perl? And, what of the control group?
Perl is different, no doubt about it. But, it doesn't *have* to look like line noise.