I highly doubt it makes sense for plusnet to do this "instead" of IPv6, but it does make sense to do this "as well" as IPv6.
I see the transition involving something like these 5 steps.
1.) Everyone needs IPv4, IPv6 is useless (no content). 2.) Everyone needs IPv4, IPv6 reduces the amount of IPv4 traffic you use. 3.) Most people still need IPv4, but IPv6 is most of the traffic. 4.) IPv4 is a niche requirement. Most normal users won't notice if they don't have it. 5.) IPv4 is Cobol and I come back and get a fat paycheque because I still remember how it works.
I think we are at (2) right now. I think CGN *IS* inevitable (even if it sucks) as part of a transition strategy. If we had started transitioning seriously a few years ago, we might have avoided this, but we didn't.
This isn't true. I work in the UK ISP industry, and the reality of the UK world is you have basically got two access options:-
1.) You access via a copper line (a traditional phoneline). Phonelines are owned by BT Openreach, who run the infrastructure, and who are forced by the regulator to lease the lines to ISP's.
a.) If you live in a rather densely populated part of the country, you will have access to multiple LLU (local loop unbundled) providers. These are ISP's who have put equipment in the old BT exchanges (Central Offices in US telco speak). The provider then handles your internet from that point on.
b.) If you live in a less dense population area, you will not have that option. You will instead get your data via an ISP who BT Wholesale access to the internet from. Multiple options exist for these ISP's, but BT charge a lot more for this service than it costs an LLU provider to deliver. Of course LLU has startup costs that Wholesale doesn't, but generally you get a worse service in Wholesale land.
c.) BT Openreach are starting a FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) deployment, which is putting VDSL capable DSLAM's in the little green boxes you find on the streets. This gives a much shorter DSL line. BT Openreach are either providing this as a wholesale service, or they are providing an ethernet handoff to an LLU provider in the exchange. Either way, no provider is "unbundling" individual cabs yet, and the customer numbers and economics make it very unlikely that will ever make sense.
2.) Virgin Media Cable.
Realistically, the UK only has one cable provider, and that is Virgin Media.
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Most LLU providers sell an effectively unlimted broadband service. Sky do for £7.50 if you are taking another Sky service, and the other LLU providers have a hardly enforced fair use policy.
This isn't so true on the Wholesale services. Most have caps, or traffic management, or some other impact on your service. The economics of the wholesale deal basically mean an ISP would lose money on every broadband customer if it didn't do this, or would have to charge prices so high the market wouldn't really bare it. Remember while people that read slashdot care a lot about internet connections, most people don't. Some more geek friendly ISP's, like A&A exist, who provide a pretty good "straight dope" on what they are doing with your connection.
Virgin have a constantly changing traffic management policy, but generally packetshape hard in peak hours on the cheaper packages, but have very little traffic shaping out of peak hours, or on the more expensive and faster services.
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Finally, remember BT aren't JUST a infrastructure company. They have BT Retail and BT Buisness arms as well, which will actually sell you a DSL line or whatever. They buy this from BT Openreach or BT Wholesale just like other providers (at least in theory - the industry doesn't think the Chinese walls between the parts are that tight).
The reality of the UK Internet, is it doesn't have the headline speeds of places like Sweden or South Korea, but almost everyone (not quite, but close) gets at least some form of broadband. Unless you live in the middle of literal nowhere, you most likely at least have some form of ADSL.
I am not a lawyer, although I do work with data protection as part of my profession.
Sky are clearly caught between a rock and a hard place here. They have two different duties under the law
- Comply with the court order ACS:Law have obtained, and provide the account holder details matching the IP address/Timestamp.
- Under the Data Protection Act 1998, principle 7, to ensure : "Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data."
Clearly ACS:Law have demonstrated themselves incapable of sufficiently protecting the data, and therefore to continue to cooperate with them would place Sky in breach of the DPA. Of course not complying with a court order is Contempt of Court.
Sky in the UK offer unlimited broadband with no fair use policy, and no traffic shaping on certain conditions.
You *MUST* be a LLU customer. This means you connect directly to Sky owned equipment in your local exchange. We currently have about 70% population LLU coverage, and it is growing slowly (as it just isn't economical to LLU up some of the more remote exchanges). You also *MUST* be paying for MAX, the highest speed and obviously the most expensive product.
Note, if you are NOT an LLU customer, we will still sell you broadband. However it *WILL* come with a FUP, and traffic shaping will be used to enforce that FUP (if you go over your limits that are clearly explained in the offer, we will mess with your connection). This is because out of LLU areas we have to resale a BT wholesale connection (like most ISP's in the UK).
While we had to invest far more in getting this network setup, it now costs us A LOT less per mbit than through BT.
If you don't know if you are on LLU or not, or if you can get LLU or not, samknows.com is an excellent site with information on what products from all providers are available in your area.
It is exceptionally intresting to note that lots of highly skilled computer game players from games like Quake and Starcraft have recently (and in some instances not so recently) taken up playing poker for money, and seem to be doing okay at it.
Notable names that may be recognized by some of the more gamer geek types around here are Sujoy, Hakeem, Lakerman and Daishi.
$ strings ftp.exe | grep University @(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
(and the same for finger.exe, nslookup.exe, rsh.exe and rcp.exe).
Maybe not in the IP stack...
And by the way, I approve of this, it is part of the point of the BSD license. It also means I get a nslookup that works in a somewhat sane manner on Win2k, instead of MS not shipping a tool to do that at all (which is what would have happened if it had taken developer time).
How long would MacOS X have taken if it wasn't for a preexisting BSD userland ?
Firemen have been dispatched to Telehouse London to prevent this web server from burning down most of the UK internet as it's pair of P3's and pathetic little IDE disk UTTERLY FAIL to cope with the pure 30mbit/sec of joy that slashdotting creates.
This wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone conformed to the w3c accessability standards.
Something that would worry me about this would be support for non-standard webbrowsing devices, things like mobile phones, lynx, (and personally, my trusty old Psion5).
A lot of web designers are exactly that, designers. They come from a design background and aren't used to not being able to put together exactly what they want. They forget that HTML wasn't designed the way it was to make life difficult for them. It was designed to describe structure, rather than position and formatting. The client can impose whatever formatting it can on the structure.
Why this isn't on the related links I'm not sure, but this kind of thing has happened before, see http://slashdot.org/articles/00/03/30/0631246.shtm l
The cases both appear to hinge on the same thing. Both ISP's were informed that illegal, or at least material of dubious legality was on servers belonging to them, and they did not act with due speed to remove this material.
I'm a sysadmin (but one with little experience of news) and not a law expert, and I know that removing content from a single newserver would be somewhat pointless, but it still should have done so. I think other issues that this brings up are important though, such as:-
Should in addition to removing the post it prevent distribution of the article to peer newservers
What would a court consider due speed if it required the above
Would the court require the ISP to attempt to cancel the article (I'm not sure what the current state of play with cancels is, last time I used usenet seriously cancel abuse was starting to get out of control).
Slashdot Mirror
I highly doubt it makes sense for plusnet to do this "instead" of IPv6, but it does make sense to do this "as well" as IPv6.
I see the transition involving something like these 5 steps.
1.) Everyone needs IPv4, IPv6 is useless (no content).
2.) Everyone needs IPv4, IPv6 reduces the amount of IPv4 traffic you use.
3.) Most people still need IPv4, but IPv6 is most of the traffic.
4.) IPv4 is a niche requirement. Most normal users won't notice if they don't have it.
5.) IPv4 is Cobol and I come back and get a fat paycheque because I still remember how it works.
I think we are at (2) right now. I think CGN *IS* inevitable (even if it sucks) as part of a transition strategy. If we had started transitioning seriously a few years ago, we might have avoided this, but we didn't.
This isn't true. I work in the UK ISP industry, and the reality of the UK world is you have basically got two access options :-
1.) You access via a copper line (a traditional phoneline). Phonelines are owned by BT Openreach, who run the infrastructure, and who are forced by the regulator to lease the lines to ISP's.
a.) If you live in a rather densely populated part of the country, you will have access to multiple LLU (local loop unbundled) providers. These are ISP's who have put equipment in the old BT exchanges (Central Offices in US telco speak). The provider then handles your internet from that point on.
b.) If you live in a less dense population area, you will not have that option. You will instead get your data via an ISP who BT Wholesale access to the internet from. Multiple options exist for these ISP's, but BT charge a lot more for this service than it costs an LLU provider to deliver. Of course LLU has startup costs that Wholesale doesn't, but generally you get a worse service in Wholesale land.
c.) BT Openreach are starting a FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) deployment, which is putting VDSL capable DSLAM's in the little green boxes you find on the streets. This gives a much shorter DSL line. BT Openreach are either providing this as a wholesale service, or they are providing an ethernet handoff to an LLU provider in the exchange. Either way, no provider is "unbundling" individual cabs yet, and the customer numbers and economics make it very unlikely that will ever make sense.
2.) Virgin Media Cable.
Realistically, the UK only has one cable provider, and that is Virgin Media.
---
Most LLU providers sell an effectively unlimted broadband service. Sky do for £7.50 if you are taking another Sky service, and the other LLU providers have a hardly enforced fair use policy.
This isn't so true on the Wholesale services. Most have caps, or traffic management, or some other impact on your service. The economics of the wholesale deal basically mean an ISP would lose money on every broadband customer if it didn't do this, or would have to charge prices so high the market wouldn't really bare it. Remember while people that read slashdot care a lot about internet connections, most people don't. Some more geek friendly ISP's, like A&A exist, who provide a pretty good "straight dope" on what they are doing with your connection.
Virgin have a constantly changing traffic management policy, but generally packetshape hard in peak hours on the cheaper packages, but have very little traffic shaping out of peak hours, or on the more expensive and faster services.
---
Finally, remember BT aren't JUST a infrastructure company. They have BT Retail and BT Buisness arms as well, which will actually sell you a DSL line or whatever. They buy this from BT Openreach or BT Wholesale just like other providers (at least in theory - the industry doesn't think the Chinese walls between the parts are that tight).
The reality of the UK Internet, is it doesn't have the headline speeds of places like Sweden or South Korea, but almost everyone (not quite, but close) gets at least some form of broadband. Unless you live in the middle of literal nowhere, you most likely at least have some form of ADSL.
I am not a lawyer, although I do work with data protection as part of my profession.
Sky are clearly caught between a rock and a hard place here. They have two different duties under the law
- Comply with the court order ACS:Law have obtained, and provide the account holder details matching the IP address/Timestamp.
- Under the Data Protection Act 1998, principle 7, to ensure : "Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data."
Clearly ACS:Law have demonstrated themselves incapable of sufficiently protecting the data, and therefore to continue to cooperate with them would place Sky in breach of the DPA. Of course not complying with a court order is Contempt of Court.
What you going to do ?
Note: I work for Sky.
Sky in the UK offer unlimited broadband with no fair use policy, and no traffic shaping on certain conditions.
You *MUST* be a LLU customer. This means you connect directly to Sky owned equipment in your local exchange. We currently have about 70% population LLU coverage, and it is growing slowly (as it just isn't economical to LLU up some of the more remote exchanges). You also *MUST* be paying for MAX, the highest speed and obviously the most expensive product.
Note, if you are NOT an LLU customer, we will still sell you broadband. However it *WILL* come with a FUP, and traffic shaping will be used to enforce that FUP (if you go over your limits that are clearly explained in the offer, we will mess with your connection). This is because out of LLU areas we have to resale a BT wholesale connection (like most ISP's in the UK).
While we had to invest far more in getting this network setup, it now costs us A LOT less per mbit than through BT.
If you don't know if you are on LLU or not, or if you can get LLU or not, samknows.com is an excellent site with information on what products from all providers are available in your area.
and your share price goes up, you know they must have been doing a damn poor job ...
It is exceptionally intresting to note that lots of highly skilled computer game players from games like Quake and Starcraft have recently (and in some instances not so recently) taken up playing poker for money, and seem to be doing okay at it.
Notable names that may be recognized by some of the more gamer geek types around here are Sujoy, Hakeem, Lakerman and Daishi.
Slashdot the new Crimestoppers ?
No, but it will mean you need 20gig of ram in a router to hold the internet routing table :/
aha, yeah, I was about to post a massive flame about American arrogance, until I realised I just need my eyes tested.
$ uname
/cygdrive/d/winnt/system32
...
CYGWIN_NT-5.0
$ pwd
$ strings ftp.exe | grep University
@(#) Copyright (c) 1983 The Regents of the University of California.
(and the same for finger.exe, nslookup.exe, rsh.exe and rcp.exe).
Maybe not in the IP stack
And by the way, I approve of this, it is part of the point of the BSD license. It also means I get a nslookup that works in a somewhat sane manner on Win2k, instead of MS not shipping a tool to do that at all (which is what would have happened if it had taken developer time).
How long would MacOS X have taken if it wasn't for a preexisting BSD userland ?
If you mean the keyboard doesn't work anymore, then yes. This is a known thing.
If you want the keyboard (ps2) to work after pulling it out and plugging it in again, compile your kernel with the option
device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1
(which in the GENERIC kernel has an extra option flags 0x1, which shouldn't be present).
Typo in the title ... ffs ...
/me hopes it is just some bad pun he doesn't get.
I do belive the point is they are putting train in orbit, rather than anything to do with the speed it is moving at.
Nothing greatly spectacular about this, it seems a perfectly logical way of moving the robot arm around.
This clearly violates the slashdot moto. It isn't stuff that matters.
I host this.
Firemen have been dispatched to Telehouse London to prevent this web server from burning down most of the UK internet as it's pair of P3's and pathetic little IDE disk UTTERLY FAIL to cope with the pure 30mbit/sec of joy that slashdotting creates.
Cache anyone ?
This wouldn't be a bad idea if everyone conformed to the w3c accessability standards.
Something that would worry me about this would be support for non-standard webbrowsing devices, things like mobile phones, lynx, (and personally, my trusty old Psion5).
A lot of web designers are exactly that, designers. They come from a design background and aren't used to not being able to put together exactly what they want. They forget that HTML wasn't designed the way it was to make life difficult for them. It was designed to describe structure, rather than position and formatting. The client can impose whatever formatting it can on the structure.
The cases both appear to hinge on the same thing. Both ISP's were informed that illegal, or at least material of dubious legality was on servers belonging to them, and they did not act with due speed to remove this material.
I'm a sysadmin (but one with little experience of news) and not a law expert, and I know that removing content from a single newserver would be somewhat pointless, but it still should have done so. I think other issues that this brings up are important though, such as :-