yeah i did some math...he mentions in the video he thinks he can get the cost "down" to $43/sq ft. 1 square mile ~= 5200x5200 x 43 ~= $1.1 billion x 25000 = $27 trillion.
two very insightful points...yes you are correct and it is even more "likely" (if anything along the lines of this argument are likely) that each sentient being is actually its own processor, and we all live in a giant shared memory pool.
the idea that time is simply an iteration makes alot of sense, and would probably work theoretically within our relativistic space-time universe.
Isn't that a truism? I mean, you can't have anything post-human until humans are extinct, right?
that's a pretty good observation...in this case "post-human" would mean where humankind has acquired most of the technological capabilities that one can currently show to be consistent with physical laws and with material and energy constraints, not actually "post-human" species wise.
The mathematics of the whole argument are pretty straight forward, and lead to these inevitable conclusions;
A technologically mature post-human civilization would have enormous computing power. Based on this empirical fact, the simulation argument shows that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage is very close to zero; (2) The fraction of post-human civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero; (3) The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one.
If (1) is true, then we will almost certainly go extinct before reaching post-humanity. If (2) is true, then there must be a strong convergence among the courses of advanced civilizations so that virtually none contains any relatively wealthy individuals who desire to run ancestor-simulations and are free to do so. If (3) is true, then we almost certainly live in a simulation. In the dark forest of our current ignorance, it seems sensible to apportion ones credence roughly evenly between (1), (2), and (3).
Unless we are now living in a simulation, our descendants will almost certainly never run an ancestor-simulation.
This idea is not new...mathematicians have been exploring this for years now, and the "theory" is based on these three ideas and how "true" they may be;
1. the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a posthuman stage. 2. any post-human civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof). 3. we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.
It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become post-humans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation.
It all breaks down to probability...if any "post-human" species with enough computer power to model our universe down to the quantum level decides to run Sim-like models, there would almost assuredly be many many simulations run. Now, it might require a computer the size of a small planet to run the estimated 10^42 ops/second that modeling our universe may require, but it is not totally unbelievable that 200-500 years from now we, as a species, will harness this type of computer power.
The real problem is...who cares? Even if it were possible to discover this "truth" what difference would it make in our lives?
i guess its a lot easier to throw around a term like "neo-con" that dumbly lumps people into a group then to actually parse each individuals perspective in the group as to their beliefs.
please don't think that i am a "neo-con", or defending that particular POV. i guess in this current cycle of election-mania i felt the need to vent about the oversimplification of political rhetoric that bombards us daily from the news outlets.
i had the "pleasure" of working for IBM advanced technology down in boca 5 years ago, and basically what you outlined happened to me.
one afternoon, my logins stopped working, then the next day (friday) my keycard didnt work. when i complained that morning, i was told i had been terminated and everything was escorted away.
..that we can somehow have a worldwide network of ATM machines that, to the penny, account and dispense MONEY almost perfectly, handling deposits, transfers, currency exchanges etc etc, yet we cannot somehow make machines that can count votes accurately.
The best songs are played by "aparelhagens," hugely popular DJs running shows with laser displays, smoke machines and giant video monitors that alternate images of the dancing crowds with psychedelic imagery.
Uhh...is it just me or does this sound strangely like a rave?
Believe me it's pretty easy to make money at one of those.
Right, but a big push behind PCI was to get the CC info off of insecure servers/databases because, in general, the CC companies are mostly worried that individuals are going to hack into poorly-secured e-commerce sites and download tables loaded with CC data.
As you said, encrypt is easy, and in these cases (a third-party hack into an admin account), encrypt would prevent the thieves for getting access to their primary target, the list of CC numbers. It's a easy answer to 80% of the problems, and with such a low cost to impliment, why not?
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unoptimized bitcoin miners...in a tv set...like THIS is the security threat we all need to be on the lookout for. really?
but..oh yeah...there will be 20 million of them....with lazers!
all your drugs are belong to us!
+1 Absolutely Correct
very good...my thoughts exactly.
thxs for the LOL.
...we should just define hard drive size by how many minutes of pr0n can be stored.
well wait...both the article and video state there are "25,000 sq miles" of roadway, not linear miles as your post assumes.
yeah i did some math...he mentions in the video he thinks he can get the cost "down" to $43/sq ft. 1 square mile ~= 5200x5200 x 43 ~= $1.1 billion x 25000 = $27 trillion.
fire up the printing presses.
more like a mini-hotplate
looks like 800x480 is becoming the new 1280×1024.
ive been using Navicat for my mySql frontend and while its not perfect at least it doesn't suck...
jeez...security is great and all that but you sound paranoid as hell. does the word overkill mean anything to you?
for a video showing someone fraggin in COD4 with a drumkit controller...
two very insightful points...yes you are correct and it is even more "likely" (if anything along the lines of this argument are likely) that each sentient being is actually its own processor, and we all live in a giant shared memory pool.
the idea that time is simply an iteration makes alot of sense, and would probably work theoretically within our relativistic space-time universe.
Isn't that a truism? I mean, you can't have anything post-human until humans are extinct, right?
that's a pretty good observation...in this case "post-human" would mean where humankind has acquired most of the technological capabilities that one can currently show to be consistent with physical laws and with material and energy constraints, not actually "post-human" species wise.
The mathematics of the whole argument are pretty straight forward, and lead to these inevitable conclusions;
A technologically mature post-human civilization would have enormous computing power. Based on this empirical fact, the simulation argument shows that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage is very close to zero; (2) The fraction of post-human civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero; (3) The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one.
If (1) is true, then we will almost certainly go extinct before reaching post-humanity. If (2) is true, then there must be a strong convergence among the courses of advanced civilizations so that virtually none contains any relatively wealthy individuals who desire to run ancestor-simulations and are free to do so. If (3) is true, then we almost certainly live in a simulation. In the dark forest of our current ignorance, it seems sensible to apportion ones credence roughly evenly between (1), (2), and (3).
Unless we are now living in a simulation, our descendants will almost certainly never run an ancestor-simulation.
it most certainly is possible to run simulations inside of simulations...what do you think virtual machines are?
This idea is not new...mathematicians have been exploring this for years now, and the "theory" is based on these three ideas and how "true" they may be;
1. the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a posthuman stage.
2. any post-human civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof).
3. we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation.
It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become post-humans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation.
It all breaks down to probability...if any "post-human" species with enough computer power to model our universe down to the quantum level decides to run Sim-like models, there would almost assuredly be many many simulations run. Now, it might require a computer the size of a small planet to run the estimated 10^42 ops/second that modeling our universe may require, but it is not totally unbelievable that 200-500 years from now we, as a species, will harness this type of computer power.
The real problem is...who cares? Even if it were possible to discover this "truth" what difference would it make in our lives?
i guess its a lot easier to throw around a term like "neo-con" that dumbly lumps people into a group then to actually parse each individuals perspective in the group as to their beliefs.
please don't think that i am a "neo-con", or defending that particular POV. i guess in this current cycle of election-mania i felt the need to vent about the oversimplification of political rhetoric that bombards us daily from the news outlets.
i had the "pleasure" of working for IBM advanced technology down in boca 5 years ago, and basically what you outlined happened to me.
one afternoon, my logins stopped working, then the next day (friday) my keycard didnt work. when i complained that morning, i was told i had been terminated and everything was escorted away.
poof...no notice no nothing just gone.
i got dibs on the ../pr0n directory
communist leaders use random current events to purge enemies-of-the-state. really? i am sure stalin is turning over in his grave.
..that we can somehow have a worldwide network of ATM machines that, to the penny, account and dispense MONEY almost perfectly, handling deposits, transfers, currency exchanges etc etc, yet we cannot somehow make machines that can count votes
accurately.
How about demVote++, repVote++?
from the article...
The best songs are played by "aparelhagens," hugely popular DJs running shows with laser displays, smoke machines and giant video monitors that alternate images of the dancing crowds with psychedelic imagery.
Uhh...is it just me or does this sound strangely like a rave?
Believe me it's pretty easy to make money at one of those.
flies up to 15 feet? what a perfect altitude for "stealty" missions...I doubt that anyone would notice this thing as it crept up on you...
Yeah..but what happens to all the "INSERT INTO CUSTOMER_DATA" calls sprinkled all over the 20 year old legacy spaghetti code?
Right, but a big push behind PCI was to get the CC info off of insecure servers/databases because, in general, the CC companies are mostly worried that individuals are going to hack into poorly-secured e-commerce sites and download tables loaded with CC data.
As you said, encrypt is easy, and in these cases (a third-party hack into an admin account), encrypt would prevent the thieves for getting access to their primary target, the list of CC numbers. It's a easy answer to 80% of the problems, and with such a low cost to impliment, why not?