For all Googles support of open source, this thing only works in IE and on Winblows. Though wonderland isn't as polished, at least it's cross platform.
There are other options available that are just as useful...
Really? As useful? So spending a week to code javascript to make a bunch of gif animate is 'as useful' as spending a couple hours in Flash? You have an odd definition of the word 'useful'. Maybe if IE supported SVG... maybe THEN I would agree with you but until then, you are dead wrong.
No. This is more along the lines of a hashmap or a multidimensional array. With serialize in PHP, you still have to unserialize which takes time to parse. With a multidimensional array, it's already in a usable state; no additional parsing is required. And you can add on or remove variables whenever you want without having to reparse.
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Repetition is also a great way to brain wash the masses like stating over and over 'Iraq has weapons of mass destruction' or 'support our troops!'. Sometimes if you repeat them long enough, they start to become a comedy routine...
Semantics is the last resort of a losing argument. Look at the Microsoft org chart to see where they place SQL Server in and then come back and tell me how right I am.
Nah... I was just under the impression this was a technology site and people who came here knew something about technology before they opened their mouths; I didn't realize this was the Microsoft campus. *BURN!!!*
Oh... clearly whats meant merely because it has 'Office' in the title? That's awfully simplistic thinking? You must be a visual basic developer huh? So what then you use SQL server at home to play Quake? NO?!! Oh well then your kids use it for the education. NO?!!! Where where would you deploy SQL Server huh? What location would it be deployed in, I wonder. Some sort of cubicle laden environment managed by some type of managers with an office type decor. What do they call that? Oh yeah. It's called an OFFICE moron!!
Hence Office software... duh. Get a brain and then come back to have this discussion in two years when you've learned how to operate it.
I can't agree more. One of my pet peeves is people using those terms interchangeably and then thinking they are the same thing (ie interweb). I can't believe someone on Slashdot even got that wrong.
It's also an election year and he is not yet in office and he could lose everything with the swing of a pendulum. You can condemn him now but he knows if he doesn't get in, it's another 4-8 years of republican policies and wars (which have done America really well in just the 8 years they have held the presidency). You obviously understand little about politics if you think it is as simple as that. I suggest getting a real job sometime and dealing with office politics in attempting to get things done and then imagining that times a million.
Run through it in FF2 and FF3. This is the ongoing problem with browser detects and different browser platforms vs one browser platform across multiple OS's. It's far easier to code a front end for one browser platform for web app that can be cross platform than for multiple web browsers and have to play guessing games with your code and your detecting mechanisms throughout. It also greatly increasing the amount of coding you have to do and time spent debugging.
Also, considering the invent of SSB's, the browser detect is an unnecessary thing and will eventually become a thing of the past. All you have to do is open it within your SSB on your desktop and your app is native. Eventually, I'd guess there will even be a grouped tool for tying the app to the SSB of choice so you can launch from one location.
So again, whats the point when XUL already does this but protects the controller and the model from client side attacks unlike objective-J?
Why, how many browser support? So far it just looks like one; all others look like a haphazard guessing game throughout your code. Honestly I'd prefer not to have to guess and rely upon a cross platform solution and not a cross browser solution.
True in a slight sense but one overlaps and duplicates. Objective-J trys to be the model-view-AND-controller which is a horrible idea as anyone would tell you; unless everything is HOUSED on the client and no one but that ONE CLIENT is accessing the app, a javascript MVC app cannot be properly secured.
However... in XUL, you just build the VIEW in XUL and then have the OPTION to build the model and controller however you wish. For instance, in PHPulse, it has integrated XUL support so your existing PHP model and controller work with XUL apps so you don't recreate them and developers can work within an existing model they already know. And developers can build other frameworks to work other ways as well.
Unless of course you're wrong and it has a Ruby backend... in which case it is a bad XUL ripoff. And you owe me 5 bucks.
the PHP devs are about as enthusiastic about cleaning up their language as Microsoft is about open-sourcing NTFS.
Sad but true. I've actually been considering converting to Java. The only reason I keep developing the framework in PHP is because I can help people develop in MVC better and now with XUL, I can give them an all-in-one framework for development and integration.
Right but that means that you have to load far more than you would have to in XUL and it doesn't look like the platform it's on (like SWING apps). Like I said... bloated, OS specific. And with XUL... it doesn't require an understanding of Ruby; you can develop in in Java, C, C++, PHP, Perl,.NET, and Ruby or all in Javascript too if you want.
I agree. OL really is a good tool. It integrated XUL well and inspired me to try to do the same. You really should be able to reuse as much as possible and think of the javascript and XUL as merely a separate view that is separated out by the doctype. It is a very well implemented integration of XUL.
And I take no offense to the PHP jk. The PHP community brings it on itself. Too many bad developers out there in PHP who have no formal training. Plus the language does nothing to enforce good development styles and in fact has bad development styles all over the place. I used to test for them and have gotten into arguments saying that the language really needs to be strongly typed, enforce strongly typed and might even consider releasing a compiler one day. But they say it would make it too complex; they want to cater to newbies and continue catering to newbies which will always hold the language back as far as I'm concerned. But hey, still scales better than Ruby.:)
OpenLaszlo is what inspired me to start integrating XUL into the PHPulse framework. People shouldn't have to learn whole new ways of doing things when these methods already fit old paradigms like MVC. You just have to integrate them in such a way as to take into cosideration multiple document types upon delivery and request.
That way regardlesss of whether a user on your system logs in to your web page or in to your application via an SSB from their desktop, you still control all their priveleges the same via one cetralized core and don't have to reinvent the dataor the backend. All you have to do is recreate the view for the most part.
Works in Safari. Breaks in places in Firefox. Can't even load in Konquerer. Again, I'll use XUL which seems to be being used by Amazon, IBM and alot of others large name companies and is alot further along than reinvent the wheel with a bloated lubrary.
Well you may not care about the research but companies care not only about the research but the resultsof their application. And research and application data shows that it does in fact pay off. If it didn't, the advertising industry would have stopped a long time ago as it would have shown that advertising is pointless. So again, your logic is flawed... you just fail to see it or fail to admit it or a combination thereof. So feel free to stay ignorant. I got my mod points.:)
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Yes and unfortunately what we picture is on the other end is a 13 year old playing Warcraft.
For all Googles support of open source, this thing only works in IE and on Winblows. Though wonderland isn't as polished, at least it's cross platform.
Really? As useful? So spending a week to code javascript to make a bunch of gif animate is 'as useful' as spending a couple hours in Flash? You have an odd definition of the word 'useful'. Maybe if IE supported SVG... maybe THEN I would agree with you but until then, you are dead wrong.
No. This is more along the lines of a hashmap or a multidimensional array. With serialize in PHP, you still have to unserialize which takes time to parse. With a multidimensional array, it's already in a usable state; no additional parsing is required. And you can add on or remove variables whenever you want without having to reparse.
Repetition is also a great way to brain wash the masses like stating over and over 'Iraq has weapons of mass destruction' or 'support our troops!'. Sometimes if you repeat them long enough, they start to become a comedy routine...
Yep... fresh out of ideas and more desperate than before.
This coming from the peanut gallery??
Semantics is the last resort of a losing argument. Look at the Microsoft org chart to see where they place SQL Server in and then come back and tell me how right I am.
Nah... I was just under the impression this was a technology site and people who came here knew something about technology before they opened their mouths; I didn't realize this was the Microsoft campus. *BURN!!!*
Oh... clearly whats meant merely because it has 'Office' in the title? That's awfully simplistic thinking? You must be a visual basic developer huh? So what then you use SQL server at home to play Quake? NO?!! Oh well then your kids use it for the education. NO?!!! Where where would you deploy SQL Server huh? What location would it be deployed in, I wonder. Some sort of cubicle laden environment managed by some type of managers with an office type decor. What do they call that? Oh yeah. It's called an OFFICE moron!!
Hence Office software... duh. Get a brain and then come back to have this discussion in two years when you've learned how to operate it.
I can't agree more. One of my pet peeves is people using those terms interchangeably and then thinking they are the same thing (ie interweb). I can't believe someone on Slashdot even got that wrong.
Hmmm... Sql Server. Not games. Not operating system. Seems to oddly fall under 'OFFICE SOFTWARE'!!! *slaps you for being st00pid with two o's*
It's also an election year and he is not yet in office and he could lose everything with the swing of a pendulum. You can condemn him now but he knows if he doesn't get in, it's another 4-8 years of republican policies and wars (which have done America really well in just the 8 years they have held the presidency). You obviously understand little about politics if you think it is as simple as that. I suggest getting a real job sometime and dealing with office politics in attempting to get things done and then imagining that times a million.
Ah... I am thinking sproutcore. Sorry.
Run through it in FF2 and FF3. This is the ongoing problem with browser detects and different browser platforms vs one browser platform across multiple OS's. It's far easier to code a front end for one browser platform for web app that can be cross platform than for multiple web browsers and have to play guessing games with your code and your detecting mechanisms throughout. It also greatly increasing the amount of coding you have to do and time spent debugging.
Also, considering the invent of SSB's, the browser detect is an unnecessary thing and will eventually become a thing of the past. All you have to do is open it within your SSB on your desktop and your app is native. Eventually, I'd guess there will even be a grouped tool for tying the app to the SSB of choice so you can launch from one location.
So again, whats the point when XUL already does this but protects the controller and the model from client side attacks unlike objective-J?
Why, how many browser support? So far it just looks like one; all others look like a haphazard guessing game throughout your code. Honestly I'd prefer not to have to guess and rely upon a cross platform solution and not a cross browser solution.
Yeah and fortunately XUL does not require browser specific hacks.
True in a slight sense but one overlaps and duplicates. Objective-J trys to be the model-view-AND-controller which is a horrible idea as anyone would tell you; unless everything is HOUSED on the client and no one but that ONE CLIENT is accessing the app, a javascript MVC app cannot be properly secured.
However... in XUL, you just build the VIEW in XUL and then have the OPTION to build the model and controller however you wish. For instance, in PHPulse, it has integrated XUL support so your existing PHP model and controller work with XUL apps so you don't recreate them and developers can work within an existing model they already know. And developers can build other frameworks to work other ways as well.
Unless of course you're wrong and it has a Ruby backend... in which case it is a bad XUL ripoff. And you owe me 5 bucks.
Sad but true. I've actually been considering converting to Java. The only reason I keep developing the framework in PHP is because I can help people develop in MVC better and now with XUL, I can give them an all-in-one framework for development and integration.
Right but that means that you have to load far more than you would have to in XUL and it doesn't look like the platform it's on (like SWING apps). Like I said... bloated, OS specific. And with XUL... it doesn't require an understanding of Ruby; you can develop in in Java, C, C++, PHP, Perl, .NET, and Ruby or all in Javascript too if you want.
I agree. OL really is a good tool. It integrated XUL well and inspired me to try to do the same. You really should be able to reuse as much as possible and think of the javascript and XUL as merely a separate view that is separated out by the doctype. It is a very well implemented integration of XUL.
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And I take no offense to the PHP jk. The PHP community brings it on itself. Too many bad developers out there in PHP who have no formal training. Plus the language does nothing to enforce good development styles and in fact has bad development styles all over the place. I used to test for them and have gotten into arguments saying that the language really needs to be strongly typed, enforce strongly typed and might even consider releasing a compiler one day. But they say it would make it too complex; they want to cater to newbies and continue catering to newbies which will always hold the language back as far as I'm concerned. But hey, still scales better than Ruby.
OpenLaszlo is what inspired me to start integrating XUL into the PHPulse framework. People shouldn't have to learn whole new ways of doing things when these methods already fit old paradigms like MVC. You just have to integrate them in such a way as to take into cosideration multiple document types upon delivery and request.
That way regardlesss of whether a user on your system logs in to your web page or in to your application via an SSB from their desktop, you still control all their priveleges the same via one cetralized core and don't have to reinvent the dataor the backend. All you have to do is recreate the view for the most part.
Works in Safari. Breaks in places in Firefox. Can't even load in Konquerer. Again, I'll use XUL which seems to be being used by Amazon, IBM and alot of others large name companies and is alot further along than reinvent the wheel with a bloated lubrary.
Well you may not care about the research but companies care not only about the research but the resultsof their application. And research and application data shows that it does in fact pay off. If it didn't, the advertising industry would have stopped a long time ago as it would have shown that advertising is pointless. So again, your logic is flawed... you just fail to see it or fail to admit it or a combination thereof. So feel free to stay ignorant. I got my mod points. :)