Cygwin isn't installed by default. Text editors on Windows don't default to 'Unix EOL Characters' by default'. Windows versioning control clients don't default to UNIX EOL characters by default. etc etc. I stated 'develop on the environment you are releasing for' not 'develop with tools which approximate the environment'. If approximation could alleviate all these problems that Windows developers continually have porting their code over to a Linux environment and vice versa then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But the easiest solution for a company is to have developers work in the environment they are releasing for. So people developing applications for Macs work on macs. People developing applications for Windows work on windows and people developing applications for Linux work on Linux. The 'Windows by default' answer is something I would expect my grandmother and a Microsoft exec to spout merely because neither know any better.
Honestly, that kind of mentallity can be a larger problem to the workplace. You develop using the easiest platform for what you are trying to do and you develop on what you are releasing for. For instance, a LAMP developer would have an easier time avoiding Windows end of line characters popping up in subversion clients, text editors and a variety of other programs merely by BEING on a Linux platform thus saving alot of worries and hassles. On a similar note, a C# developer would probably find it alot harder to transfer files and connect to shares if he was on Linux or MAC.
The right tool for the job... not 'Windows by default' unless you think a hammer can solve all your carpentry needs.
I have to say that previously I used to be a big Fedora fan and have tried Xandros and a couple other pre-packaged distributions for the desktop. But Ubuntu is by far the most stable and easiest to manage. I installed it on my 65 year old moms system and it detected her scanner, her new camera, her sound card and everything just fine. I use Ubuntu at work after smeone in IT convinced me to try it and I haven't had a single issue with it since then.
Previous to this, I wondered what all the buzz was about Ubuntu and now I know. If you want an easy to set up and manage Linux desktop, Ubuntu is the way to go.
Of interest (not trying to spread FUD), one of the board of directors was the man responsible for promising Baystar that Microsoft was going to invest in SCO. This was reported on GROKLAW ever so recently when people were wondering where to find this guy (forget his name... something like Davidson). Not that I expect there to be a Clearwire/Microsoft/Baystar/SCO link but thought others might find it interesting so just wanted to post it. I live in Seattle and dumped Speakeasy ever so recently and when I found this out, it was definitely left a lingering bad taste in my mouth that made me second guess my decision.
As for the service, the download speeds are great, upload speeds suck. Good if you are just Joe Average surfer but bad if you are a web developer. Also, check for cellphone towers and other things like that in your vicinity as they will cause interference.
Heh. I myself would love to see what this is built in and help tweak it. Maybe even contribute artwork and eventually build bots and cheats:)
Of course, releasing the bots and cheats as open source will also make it easier for the devs to make the AI and the game a little better to guard against that kind of thing which it turn makes bot developers try to build a better bot, etc etc.
Open source development really causes innovation to occur alot faster than in a proprietary environment as far as I'm concerned because you aren't limited by what your supervisors think should be done. You're limited only by the amount of time you have to code and your ability to code.
The market may have said that THIS version of the game weas crap but open source can create a 50 different versions of the game with a variety of genres. Do any one of them have to come out on top? Nope. Because they all win if any of them win because all code goes back into all the other projects and Linux gets a MORPG community. The initial game may not have been able to compete due to lack of imagination of recources but when you throw a couple hundred thousands wannabe game developers looking to break into the business at the code, I'll bet the can retool this into something better.:)
I have had to sell pizzas to customers without toppings when I worked at a pizza place. I had one customer who was allergic to cheese and another who was allergic to tomatos and couldn't have the tomato paste. Cars have to be made 'road ready' (except in the case of cars for salvage) but all other options are up to the consumer.
There is no 'ready for the internet superhighway' law so this is not unreasonable to request a computer without an OS. It's not impossible to offer, they just can't do it due to Microsoft's anti-competitive licensing agreements that they signed.
Well you do the math. If Linux accounts for more than 50% of the server market and 5% of the desktop market and NWN is one of the top 10 selling games for Linux according to a number of sources (google it) and yet it doesn't even register in the top 100 for Windows, then I'm guessing that would still put it above the less than 1% of the Windows market it currently has.
A thread consists of more than two posts... maybe if you went back to the BEGINNING of the thread you would have seen my original statement which was 'The company that manufactured NWN2 CAN support these platforms with MONO + TAO but refuses to (or doesn't realize it can).'
Considering the fact that the vast majority of NWN players in existence are Linux and Mac users, they just eliminated rollover of the old fan base. I don't know of any company that likes to piss off the old fan base; this would be a first.
There is also a boycott going on since they have effectively eliminated Linux and Mac support for the game and have publicly stated that there will be no version for these platforms. This comes AFTER Linux and Mac gamers kept this game alive and on the shelves LONG after most games have gone the way of the dinosaur. The company that manufactured NWN2 CAN support these platforms with MONO + TAO but refuses to (or doesn't realize it can).
Regardless, I won't be purchased anything from Infogrames, ATARI or any of the other involved companies in this nightmare.
I usually set up a series of pits and snares and then stock secret rooms with orcs and kobolds. It doesn't hurt to circulate rumors of a powerful demon living in the cellar in local taverns either.
You must be a new practitioner of the art of sarcasm for you applied it but now claim to be ignorant of its application. Note the aire of condescension.
You know what helps when making blanket statements? Solid research. Because otherwise there is a solid chance you will be wrong and end up sounding like an idiot. Such as in this case.
With the exception of the casing, ALL parts are sold elsewhere; the manufacturers of the parts do NOT have exclusive agreements with Apple (including the manufacturer of that scroll wheelie). They can sell to whoever they want and those resellers can sell the pasrts to you.
Unfortunately, like every mass produced computer, piecing it together from parts yourself is always going to be more expensive (and usually only 2 times more at best).
And funny thing is, even in the case of the cases, you can purchase those now as well. Due to several complaints with bent cases due to the batteries expanding and cracks in the cases, Apple now sells new cases for replacements to resellers.
How do I know all this? because I once built a Mac Powerbook from scratch. All the parts are freely available as is the OS.
Believe it or not, alot of the parts in a mac laptop can be bought from dealers and people who fix them. Most want to install them but alot of repair sites will sell the parts to you direct.
Actually they say it far surpasses the current method of separation and assuming this is a passive process (much like solar power), unless the production costs are over a million dollars for one unit, the time it would take to pay for itself is nominal.
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Utah. Because when people think Utah, they think tech. Thats what those missionaries are pushing right? Upgrades and virus protection?
When the joke impaired cannot understand sarcasm, when irony is completely missed.... one man will be there. Me. Duh.
Yep... IIS works just fine if no one is using it (or attempting to use anything else on the server).
Cygwin isn't installed by default. Text editors on Windows don't default to 'Unix EOL Characters' by default'. Windows versioning control clients don't default to UNIX EOL characters by default. etc etc. I stated 'develop on the environment you are releasing for' not 'develop with tools which approximate the environment'. If approximation could alleviate all these problems that Windows developers continually have porting their code over to a Linux environment and vice versa then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But the easiest solution for a company is to have developers work in the environment they are releasing for. So people developing applications for Macs work on macs. People developing applications for Windows work on windows and people developing applications for Linux work on Linux. The 'Windows by default' answer is something I would expect my grandmother and a Microsoft exec to spout merely because neither know any better.
Honestly, that kind of mentallity can be a larger problem to the workplace. You develop using the easiest platform for what you are trying to do and you develop on what you are releasing for. For instance, a LAMP developer would have an easier time avoiding Windows end of line characters popping up in subversion clients, text editors and a variety of other programs merely by BEING on a Linux platform thus saving alot of worries and hassles. On a similar note, a C# developer would probably find it alot harder to transfer files and connect to shares if he was on Linux or MAC.
The right tool for the job... not 'Windows by default' unless you think a hammer can solve all your carpentry needs.
I have to say that previously I used to be a big Fedora fan and have tried Xandros and a couple other pre-packaged distributions for the desktop. But Ubuntu is by far the most stable and easiest to manage. I installed it on my 65 year old moms system and it detected her scanner, her new camera, her sound card and everything just fine. I use Ubuntu at work after smeone in IT convinced me to try it and I haven't had a single issue with it since then.
Previous to this, I wondered what all the buzz was about Ubuntu and now I know. If you want an easy to set up and manage Linux desktop, Ubuntu is the way to go.
LOL. Wel this was their customer service response to me then. Shows you that they don't even know their product. Heh.
Of interest (not trying to spread FUD), one of the board of directors was the man responsible for promising Baystar that Microsoft was going to invest in SCO. This was reported on GROKLAW ever so recently when people were wondering where to find this guy (forget his name... something like Davidson). Not that I expect there to be a Clearwire/Microsoft/Baystar/SCO link but thought others might find it interesting so just wanted to post it. I live in Seattle and dumped Speakeasy ever so recently and when I found this out, it was definitely left a lingering bad taste in my mouth that made me second guess my decision. As for the service, the download speeds are great, upload speeds suck. Good if you are just Joe Average surfer but bad if you are a web developer. Also, check for cellphone towers and other things like that in your vicinity as they will cause interference.
Heh. I myself would love to see what this is built in and help tweak it. Maybe even contribute artwork and eventually build bots and cheats :)
Of course, releasing the bots and cheats as open source will also make it easier for the devs to make the AI and the game a little better to guard against that kind of thing which it turn makes bot developers try to build a better bot, etc etc.
Open source development really causes innovation to occur alot faster than in a proprietary environment as far as I'm concerned because you aren't limited by what your supervisors think should be done. You're limited only by the amount of time you have to code and your ability to code.
The market may have said that THIS version of the game weas crap but open source can create a 50 different versions of the game with a variety of genres. Do any one of them have to come out on top? Nope. Because they all win if any of them win because all code goes back into all the other projects and Linux gets a MORPG community. The initial game may not have been able to compete due to lack of imagination of recources but when you throw a couple hundred thousands wannabe game developers looking to break into the business at the code, I'll bet the can retool this into something better. :)
I have had to sell pizzas to customers without toppings when I worked at a pizza place. I had one customer who was allergic to cheese and another who was allergic to tomatos and couldn't have the tomato paste. Cars have to be made 'road ready' (except in the case of cars for salvage) but all other options are up to the consumer. There is no 'ready for the internet superhighway' law so this is not unreasonable to request a computer without an OS. It's not impossible to offer, they just can't do it due to Microsoft's anti-competitive licensing agreements that they signed.
Well you do the math. If Linux accounts for more than 50% of the server market and 5% of the desktop market and NWN is one of the top 10 selling games for Linux according to a number of sources (google it) and yet it doesn't even register in the top 100 for Windows, then I'm guessing that would still put it above the less than 1% of the Windows market it currently has.
A thread consists of more than two posts... maybe if you went back to the BEGINNING of the thread you would have seen my original statement which was 'The company that manufactured NWN2 CAN support these platforms with MONO + TAO but refuses to (or doesn't realize it can).'
Are you reading the same thread? That was my original point.
Considering the fact that the vast majority of NWN players in existence are Linux and Mac users, they just eliminated rollover of the old fan base. I don't know of any company that likes to piss off the old fan base; this would be a first.
Untrue. Alot of Linux users also have Windows machines or dual boot. And now Mac users can dual boot as well.
NWN2 has some .NET dependencies that make it so it can't be ported.
There is also a boycott going on since they have effectively eliminated Linux and Mac support for the game and have publicly stated that there will be no version for these platforms. This comes AFTER Linux and Mac gamers kept this game alive and on the shelves LONG after most games have gone the way of the dinosaur. The company that manufactured NWN2 CAN support these platforms with MONO + TAO but refuses to (or doesn't realize it can).
Regardless, I won't be purchased anything from Infogrames, ATARI or any of the other involved companies in this nightmare.
I usually set up a series of pits and snares and then stock secret rooms with orcs and kobolds. It doesn't hurt to circulate rumors of a powerful demon living in the cellar in local taverns either.
You must be a new practitioner of the art of sarcasm for you applied it but now claim to be ignorant of its application. Note the aire of condescension.
With the exception of the casing, ALL parts are sold elsewhere; the manufacturers of the parts do NOT have exclusive agreements with Apple (including the manufacturer of that scroll wheelie). They can sell to whoever they want and those resellers can sell the pasrts to you.
Unfortunately, like every mass produced computer, piecing it together from parts yourself is always going to be more expensive (and usually only 2 times more at best).
And funny thing is, even in the case of the cases, you can purchase those now as well. Due to several complaints with bent cases due to the batteries expanding and cracks in the cases, Apple now sells new cases for replacements to resellers.
How do I know all this? because I once built a Mac Powerbook from scratch. All the parts are freely available as is the OS.
Believe it or not, alot of the parts in a mac laptop can be bought from dealers and people who fix them. Most want to install them but alot of repair sites will sell the parts to you direct.
Actually they say it far surpasses the current method of separation and assuming this is a passive process (much like solar power), unless the production costs are over a million dollars for one unit, the time it would take to pay for itself is nominal.