I am excited about the prospect of GNOME 2.6 making its way into Debian Sarge. with gnome 2.6 could be a really powerful desktop for more than a few years...Which is probably how long it will take Debian to release again...And I am sure if 2.6 made it to testing, it would push back Sarge's release date.
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Come on...All we need is another Gnome vs. KDE flamefest. It is getting old.
I have been thinking about giving X server a compile from the CVS. But I would rather have packages. Does anyone know of any packages for Debian? I doubt it since it is very experimental..But I thought I would ask.
That's not a bad thing unless OSS is your religion.
That sir is bullshit. Trying to install Linux on a machine with proprietary drivers sucks. And support for older drivers sucks from the big vendors. "Hey Opti, can we get a module for your ide chipset in 2.6 that works? No? F*ck off? You don't want to hear our bitching unless we are buying brand spanking new hardware? But this laptop is perfectly good!"
I agree. Here is what Linus had to say to OS News on the matter:
What is your opinion on RMS insisting calling Linux as GNU/Linux?
Linus Torvalds: I don't mind what rms calls the system. I don't think his arguments for the naming are very valid, but hey, at the same time I really couldn't care less.
I agree with that. When people ask I say "my OS is Linux." Then I move in for the kill and say "the best version IMHO is Debian GNU/Linux." I figure its like "I run windows....Windows NT, etc."
But really it doesn't matter that much. I think Linux is grand.
The point isn't that you are using any GNU programs actively (although I bet you are), but that Linux was built using the GNU tools such as the C compiler.
If it wasn't for the GNU C compiler you would not have a kernel (or anything else for that matter) to begin with.
"As I mentioned a month(?) ago, I'm working on a free version of a minix-lookalike for AT-386 computers. It has finally reached the stage where it's even usable (though may not be depending on what you want), and I am willing to put out the sources for wider distribution. It is just version 0.02 (+1 (very small) patch already), but I've successfully run bash/gcc/gnu-make/gnu-sed/compress etc under it."
I don't think Linus would deny the contribution of GNU to the success of Linux.
What is not wanted here are people who think that if people don't agree with them there must be "a party line". People can use their mod points however they want to.
If you don't like it go back to getting you news spoonfed to you by Rupert Murdoch.
One word: Trolls.....Lots of 'em. A totally open model like kuro5hin is great, but it is easy to be overrun by negative moderation.
But are the storys that do make the front page on kuro5hin of higher quality than slashdots? Yeah, I think so. But it also takes alot of time for stories to make it to the front page. Kuro5hin is ideal for people who want to be active in the site itself.
This has been a problem on/. since the beginning. This was one of the reasons that scoop was created. It is based on the idea of slash with an open model, but a whole new set of problems. To see it in action, check out kuro5hin which I think is vastly superior to/.
I just bought one for my girlfriend for Xmas and she loves it. Now if only my Archos Studio 20 would break or something I could buy one for myself and get rid of those non-free codecs...
My only gripe is that right now we are using the Java client. She could care less, since it works great on her Debian laptop, but I want a free software client app for the Karma. There is a project to develop a set of open source client libraries for managing the Rio Karma. It is called KarmaLib.
I don't think that this works out in many cases. Take the comic book. The typical comic costs only around $2.95 in the US. The exact same comic costs $4.50 in Canada.
Live mid-market rates as of 2004.01.10 23:01:44 GMT. 4.50 Canada Dollars = 3.55 United States Dollars
The Dictionary of Economics published by The Economist defines purchasing-power parity theory as follows: "Purchasing-power parity theory. A theory which states that the exchange rate between one currency and another is in equilibrium when their domestic purchasing powers at that rate of exchange are equivalent."
But your argument only applys to goods that have the same price in both Countries.
We were talking about commercial support structures right? Anyways, if you need to pay a company for home desktop software support it isn't suprising to see you as an AC here. I mena give me a break you are paying someone to fix you home machine?
Except for the fact that the Post Office probably makes a few hundred million off the postage from AOL...And AOL probably gets a kickback from the Spammers who get through...hmmm.
current IBM stock price: 91.55 Market Cap: 157.50 Billion
or maybe they think there might be some money in commercial support of linux? Apple seems to be profiteering from BSD's open source code in the short term. But that does not change the fact that OS X users are not programmers. And the future belongs to people who can make computers work for them how they want. Have fun fighting back the night! Your going to need it.
It is indeed a interesting paradox. However, is it not important to the entirety of the GNU/Linux movement in general that the ideals OSS and GNU be reconciled?
I am not a programmer. Sure, I know some bits and parts, but in the end I am an end user who likes a powerful and flexible OS, it is awe inspiring. It has spurred me to look seriously at learning C. To me it is about learning and sharing that knowledge. While I may not be able to hack like many here, I want to extend my knowledge of programming and be able to shape the software to suit my needs. Only the fusion of Open Source Software and Free Software, together, provides that opportunity.
The funny thing is that while I don't like the flame wars, given the other options (proprietary closed source software) all of this would be moot. You take what you are given and you like it, no discussion.
It seems that there are many here who are flaming any topic that relates to mainstream desktop penetration of Linux.
I thought this was the point of the GNU system? Isn't any step forward (KDE, GNOME, etc.) towards some degree of appealing to users a win for the Freedom of GNU?
I am really curious now. I have been using GNOME since before QT went GPL. I was opposed the KDE back in those days, but I have since used KDE a few times, but I have to say that I didn't really like it that much. Am I wrong?
GNOME seems like a logical choice for something like UserLinux. Licensing issues aside, GNOME 2.4 is simple, elegant, fast and very easy to use. But is is also powerful for the end users.
Why is GNOME being beaten up so much here on Slashdot?
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I am excited about the prospect of GNOME 2.6 making its way into Debian Sarge. with gnome 2.6 could be a really powerful desktop for more than a few years...Which is probably how long it will take Debian to release again...And I am sure if 2.6 made it to testing, it would push back Sarge's release date.
Come on...All we need is another Gnome vs. KDE flamefest. It is getting old.
I actually meant freedesktop.org's X Server, but I had no idea Y was so far along!
Thanks for the links, I am going to try it out on my Debian unstable laptop.
I have been thinking about giving X server a compile from the CVS. But I would rather have packages. Does anyone know of any packages for Debian? I doubt it since it is very experimental..But I thought I would ask.
Where is the Data? Oh, you have the buy it...ok....wait 881 pounds? WTF?
You obviously need to RTFA.
That sir is bullshit. Trying to install Linux on a machine with proprietary drivers sucks. And support for older drivers sucks from the big vendors. "Hey Opti, can we get a module for your ide chipset in 2.6 that works? No? F*ck off? You don't want to hear our bitching unless we are buying brand spanking new hardware? But this laptop is perfectly good!"
I agree with that. When people ask I say "my OS is Linux." Then I move in for the kill and say "the best version IMHO is Debian GNU/Linux." I figure its like "I run windows....Windows NT, etc."
But really it doesn't matter that much. I think Linux is grand.
The point isn't that you are using any GNU programs actively (although I bet you are), but that Linux was built using the GNU tools such as the C compiler.
If it wasn't for the GNU C compiler you would not have a kernel (or anything else for that matter) to begin with.
As Linus said himself when he released Linux
I don't think Linus would deny the contribution of GNU to the success of Linux.
This has been mentioned previously since the ad was released:
here or here or here
Only a fool believes that. Facts can be distorted in all sorts of way to manipulate people. Some people are more prone to this manipulation however.
You've posted plenty...All those AC's are you huh?
I am in awe of your black and white world view.
Here is an idea AC....go sign up for an account and start posting some facts to back yourself up.
What is not wanted here are people who think that if people don't agree with them there must be "a party line". People can use their mod points however they want to.
If you don't like it go back to getting you news spoonfed to you by Rupert Murdoch.
One word: Trolls.....Lots of 'em. A totally open model like kuro5hin is great, but it is easy to be overrun by negative moderation.
But are the storys that do make the front page on kuro5hin of higher quality than slashdots? Yeah, I think so. But it also takes alot of time for stories to make it to the front page. Kuro5hin is ideal for people who want to be active in the site itself.
This has been a problem on /. since the beginning. This was one of the reasons that scoop was created. It is based on the idea of slash with an open model, but a whole new set of problems. To see it in action, check out kuro5hin which I think is vastly superior to /.
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But I still love
I just bought one for my girlfriend for Xmas and she loves it. Now if only my Archos Studio 20 would break or something I could buy one for myself and get rid of those non-free codecs...
My only gripe is that right now we are using the Java client. She could care less, since it works great on her Debian laptop, but I want a free software client app for the Karma. There is a project to develop a set of open source client libraries for managing the Rio Karma. It is called KarmaLib.
I don't think that this works out in many cases. Take the comic book. The typical comic costs only around $2.95 in the US. The exact same comic costs $4.50 in Canada.
Live mid-market rates as of 2004.01.10 23:01:44 GMT.
4.50 Canada Dollars = 3.55 United States Dollars
The Dictionary of Economics published by The Economist defines purchasing-power parity theory as follows:
"Purchasing-power parity theory. A theory which states that the exchange rate between one currency and another is in equilibrium when their domestic purchasing powers at that rate of exchange are equivalent."
But your argument only applys to goods that have the same price in both Countries.
We were talking about commercial support structures right? Anyways, if you need to pay a company for home desktop software support it isn't suprising to see you as an AC here. I mena give me a break you are paying someone to fix you home machine?
Do yourself a favor and go back to Gateway...
Except for the fact that the Post Office probably makes a few hundred million off the postage from AOL...And AOL probably gets a kickback from the Spammers who get through...hmmm.
current IBM stock price: 91.55 Market Cap: 157.50 Billion
or maybe they think there might be some money in commercial support of linux? Apple seems to be profiteering from BSD's open source code in the short term. But that does not change the fact that OS X users are not programmers. And the future belongs to people who can make computers work for them how they want. Have fun fighting back the night! Your going to need it.
that OpenOS/2 is where its at?!
It is indeed a interesting paradox. However, is it not important to the entirety of the GNU/Linux movement in general that the ideals OSS and GNU be reconciled?
I am not a programmer. Sure, I know some bits and parts, but in the end I am an end user who likes a powerful and flexible OS, it is awe inspiring. It has spurred me to look seriously at learning C. To me it is about learning and sharing that knowledge. While I may not be able to hack like many here, I want to extend my knowledge of programming and be able to shape the software to suit my needs. Only the fusion of Open Source Software and Free Software, together, provides that opportunity.
The funny thing is that while I don't like the flame wars, given the other options (proprietary closed source software) all of this would be moot. You take what you are given and you like it, no discussion.
It seems that there are many here who are flaming any topic that relates to mainstream desktop penetration of Linux.
I thought this was the point of the GNU system? Isn't any step forward (KDE, GNOME, etc.) towards some degree of appealing to users a win for the Freedom of GNU?
I see some truth in this...But if this is true why don't we see more people touting Hurd?
I must be missing something...Not to defend the troll, but I don't see anything about GNOME being LGPL on the GNU site:
http://www.gnu.org/directory/gui/gnome.html
that site states:
Licensed under The GNU General Public License, Version 2 or later. This is a GNU package.
No KDE to be found...
I am really curious now. I have been using GNOME since before QT went GPL. I was opposed the KDE back in those days, but I have since used KDE a few times, but I have to say that I didn't really like it that much. Am I wrong?
GNOME seems like a logical choice for something like UserLinux. Licensing issues aside, GNOME 2.4 is simple, elegant, fast and very easy to use. But is is also powerful for the end users.
Why is GNOME being beaten up so much here on Slashdot?