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Trump: I'll Ditch TPP Trade Deal on Day One of My Presidency (arstechnica.com)
US President-elect Donald Trump has confirmed that the U.S. will pull out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) -- a trade deal involving 12 Pacific Rim nations -- "on day one" of his presidency. From a report on ArsTechnica: Trump, in a YouTube video outlining plans for his first 100 days in office, said: "I'm going to issue our notification of intent to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a potential disaster for our country." He added: "Instead, we will negotiate fair, bilateral trade deals that bring jobs and industry back on to American shores." An emphasis on bilateral trade deals may call into question both the Trade in Services Agreement (TISA), involving dozens of nations, and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). Although the latter is between the US and the European Union, the complex political structure of the EU means that effectively 28 nations are involved and can influence the outcome of the deal. This was demonstrated by the dramatic intervention of the Walloon regional government in the signing of CETA, the bloc's trade deal with Canada.
They are already planning an Asian trade partnership under their leadership. (Forgot its name, look it up yourself.)
I would plan for a lot of this sort of thing from him. False shows of decisiveness. A lot of people seem to think that "doing something" is what a leader does, even if that "something" isn't well thought out or planned.
He doesn't know how to fix Obamacare but he'll "do something", lol.
I expect Trump to be worse than his base expects, but better than the melting down, hysterical media and left cries about.
* I'm personally up about $50k in various investment accounts since election day
* DJIA has broken 19,000
* He's going to greatly scale back or end the H1B program
* It's starting like they're going to have a decent replacement for Obamacare
* Going to ditch these globalist trade agreements that have destroyed American jobs and pay
He wasn't my first choice, but I'm starting to see past the arrogance and attitude and am learning that this guy actually produces results. What a strange concept. I hate to underestimate him anymore at this point, starting to wonder if he could wind up being one of the Great Presidents. It was just hard to get past the asshole factor watching him campaign everyday.
Seems anything else promised before being elected, isn't happening. Believe it when I see it.
Racist! Bigot!! Sexist!!! Literal NAZI!!!
How dare he try to protect American jobs!!
Come on Slashdot. This isn't news for nerds. It's not even news. It was in most papers yesterday.
*EVERYONE* here was bitching about TPP until Trump decided to do away with it.
Because Trump.
Much better at disadvantaging the gullible, generally poor, mostly uneducated people who largely voted him in and will likely respond angrily to this post. He's great if you're a huge corporation and don't care about human rights, the environment or anyone else.
I thought this was up to congress now.
Does the Rule of Law no longer apply? If congress likes the treaty, they can ratify it before Trump is coronated.
I would feel better about it if I really believed Trump has any idea what is in the TPP. Protectionism never leads to an overall gain in wealth (although a few people at the top may be able to take advantage). If there are truly bad aspects to the TPP, then spell those out, instead of just slamming the whole deal as "disastrous" and leaving it at that.
Yes, he's already making sure massive conflicts of interest are ok!
Soooooo much better!
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
...is not going to be enough...
If there are truly bad aspects to the TPP, then spell those out
Electronic Frontier Foundation has spelled out the TPP's truly bad aspects in a category of articles on its site.
Presidential transition messages to the public via Youtube... no press ceremony, no Wolf Blitzer commentary, the entire beltway media regime left to twist in the wind. This guy leaves behind more excellence every time he takes a leak than the entire despondent MSM crowd has ever been responsible for. Fuck yes.
... not Trump.
They weren't going to approve it anyway.
It's like Trump declaring that, on day one, he'll adjust the atmospheric composition to be 78% nitrogen and 21% oxygen.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
..or if it goes badly:
Thanks Obama!
Is the right pro, or against globalization? I thought free trade capitalism was an economic right-wing staple. It was only the looney leftist occupy-wall-street nutters that were against free trade.
For years up to a week ago: TPP is an abomination love child between Hitler and Satan and needs to die.
Now that Trump doesn't want it: This will ruin the nation and will only benefit China. TPP Must Go Forward!
There has also been talk about ending the H1-B visa program. So, all the slave labor from Pakistan can start packing your bags, you're going home.
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On the one hand, I think that the TPP is a horrendous trade deal that negatively pushes US views on intellectual property onto other sovereign nations.
On the otherhand anything Trump says he is going to do needs to be resisted, because his actions seem to be incredibly self centered and poorly thought out, or designed to promote Trump first and foremost.
It will be interesting to see how this paradoxical conundrum plays out.
https://youtu.be/7xX_KaStFT8
TPP I think we can all agree was a horrible piece of work. Negotiated in secret, lots of provisions that only big business would like etc. Obama has given up on it, Trump ran against, The Senate won't consider it so it's dead in its current form. That doesn't mean it can't be renegotiated and reworked and I think that'll be the tactic moving forward which may result in multiple agreements. This huge conglomeration of things that made it into TPP to me at least made it seem like a shadow government and from a sovereignty perspective I don't agree with that at all. I also think companies like Disney don't need any help protecting their IP/Content to the extents that TPP allowed.
Take for example Kim DotCom, under TPP he'd be doing time in Club Fed under TPP; he almost did without it and just for running a service where he wasn't violating copyright, the users of the service were.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Uneducated blacks and uneducated white women overwhelmingly voted for Hilary. Educated white women largely voted for Trump. It seems you're the one who is gullible if you believe the news fake by intentional omission that are provided by NYT and other blogs.
Go Trump! Kill the TPP!
I'm completely on board with this move.
(I didn't consider the TPP to be worth a rapist president when I voted.)
My vote is even more satisifying.
Your argument is quite literally argumentum ad hominem. You people are down to arguing that literally anything Trump does is suspect because it is Trump doing it. He could personally drive an ambulance full of injured kids to the hospital and cover their stay in cash and you'd probably question his motives.
Someone needs to tell him that that's not the way it works.
Nothing gets done on the first day except for maybe figuring out how the blinds work and where the bathrooms are.
Legislation is just a little more complicated than that. He couldn't repeal anything on his first day even if the entire country, Congress included, wanted it done. Legislation isn't like a light switch.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Bernie Sanders' supporter here. I didn't vote on Nov. 8th, because I simply couldn't back a lobbyist like Clinton. By killing the TPP, and maybe also TiSA and TTIP, Trump has just taken the most progressive political choice in the last 40 years, it's the first real reversal of the globalization process, something unthinkable until a few years ago. Clinton would have surely "renegotiated" the TPP, and after few useless and cosmetic changes, passed it. After all, it was "the gold standard" for her. Obama himself wanted it, and he's technically supposed to be more progressive than Clinton.
Surely I don't like many of Trump's proposals (slash taxes also for the rich, "clean" coal...), but on trade he could be the most "leftist" president in decades.
Instead of complaining, next time choose the right candidate at the Democratic primaries.
it's pretty self explanatory.
If Trump undoes executive actions and throws decision making back to Congress, hasn't he done a good thing?
Wrong. White women without college degrees chose Trump . In fact, educated folks generally voted for Clinton, regardless of race or gender.
No, they didn't, however they certainly weren't the overwhelming firewall predicted. Here's your breakdown from 538 (it's a collection of exits, not "tainted liberal ):
White men 31% 63%
White women 43 53
White women college graduates 51 45
White women non-college graduates 34 62
White men college graduates 39 54
White men non-college graduates 23 72
Without the TPP, Congress could roll back Hollywood's bought and paid for copyright law changes. For example, Congress could make some of the exemptions from anti-circumvention law pursuant to LoC's triennial rulemaking permanent. Or it could expand compulsory licenses for orphan works. Or it could establish an "Eminent Public Domain" program that allows free use of a work of authorship while compensating its author, by estimating a copyright's fair market value and letting the people crowdfund a "taking" pursuant to the Fifth Amendment.
But with the TPP, Congress's hands would be tied.
sadly educated doesnt mean smart these days. have you looked at whats going on in colleges these days? they are glorified day care centers
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Hopefully with the election of Trump and the destruction of the Republican and Democrat establishments we can relegate neoconservatism to the ash heap of history, along with the worst of leftist identity politics.
Would you support paleoconservative "bathroom bill" policies that discriminate against people with the disability of having been born intersex?
err or is a lame duck just known as Resident-P. Dolittle?
Yes, he's already making sure massive conflicts of interest are ok!
Soooooo much better!
As if the alternative candidate didn't have obvious conflicts of interest from her family's foundation already.... I'm not saying anything illegal was or would have been going on, but she apparently didn't care enough about appearances to be careful with the Foundation during her stent as Secretary Of State. She didn't care, nor did the democrats, even though there where/are some things that at least look bad on the surface.
It remains to be seen how this conflict of interest thing works out for Trump, but I expect the democrats to be howling for the next four years regardless of what Trump actually does or doesn't do with his personal business interests. This is more about politics than reality. Sure, Trump will be in a unique position to further is personal interests should he choose to do so, but the sad fact is that presidents are ALL subject to this temptation. Plus, being president tends to increase the personal wealth of all involved. Obama certainly benefited, Bill Clinton absolutely did and every president in-between these two left the White House richer than when they arrived. So, can we at least WAIT until we actually know how Trump will handle this before we decide? Then, can we please use the same standards used for past presidents?
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I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to put those goalposts back where you found them. Snark aside, we need SOME method to determine information level, and this is a pretty good one, whatever your inane thoughts on "what's going in colleges these days".
If you think crying babies made flying annoying, now it will be full of people wailing in pain: an emergency waiting room in the sky.
Joking aside, there ain't no free lunch. You either have some group subsidizing the other, or cut benefits, boot the really sick, add coverage ceilings, and/or raise prices for somebody else.
It's like a bunch of slider controls where raising slider X may lower sliders Y and Z. There is no "magic optimum", you have to kick one group or care type in the gonads to benefit another.
The Republicans may even rig it so that blue states pay the medical bills of the red states. I hope they don't go that low.
And forcing states to accept out-of-state carriers erodes states' rights, something the right used to be for. Texas would be dictating medical and billing practices (or lack of) done in California, and vice versa. States could have a hard time keeping slimy players from other states at bay. Such could end up being challenged in the Supreme Court. But the court may be packed by Republicans in a few years now anyhow who will give in to Congress.
In my opinion we should mostly copy the UK system. It's one of the best in the world. You get some freedom of choice and schedules if you pay a bit more, unlike some systems that outright force everybody into the same queue. It's a decent compromise between a centralized system and private choice.
Table-ized A.I.
The range over which ACA tax subsidy phases out depends on the size of your tax household: Someone with income at the federal poverty level gets the full subsidy, decreasing toward 4*FPL which gets none. (Below FPL, you instead get either Medicaid or an exemption from the ISR tax, depending on how red your state is.) So it mostly depends on how many dependents you have. If AC #53339571 is single with no dependents, 4*FPL is close to $48,000. But if you're married with two dependents, it's about twice that. So if your spouse has no significant income, and you have two dependents also not earning (especially due to child labor laws), a $65,000 income still qualifies for a subsidy.
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Perhaps the countries will retaliate and void the copyright and patent shenanigans that were imposed as well.
No more overpriced patents on drugs or software.
No more overlong copyrights either.
Those countries could make a fortune that way.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
In 10 years, Chinese party chairmen will be making 5 year plans for Washington
There are at least two problems with that claim. First, you risk a trade war if you shut out other countries' trade.
Now assume for the sake of argument that Trump really is the brilliant trade negotiator he claims and gets us better trade deals such that factories come back here. US labor is expensive enough that manufacturing bots will start taking jobs even faster than they already have. You'd increase the incentive for automation.
Detroit already makes the same number of cars using roughly 2/3 the workforce of before due to automation. A trade deal that brings factories back will exacerbate this trend.
Trump stated no plan for that, unlike Hillary who proposed retraining programs. What's he gonna do, build walls around robots and make R2D2 pay for it?
Table-ized A.I.
As the % of population graduating college continues to grow, it continues to lose meaning.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Well Trump is throwing out one prospective trade deal and substituting other prospective trade deals without actually modifying current trade relations in any way. So this looks like a prima facie attempt to honor a campaign promise without, in fact, making a change. Either his anti-trade campaign messages were empty demagogic promises or his new Republican allies educated him on trade.
The latter would be a good thing. People's intuitions about trade are often mistaken:
- They believe that employment is zero sum, that is, that the total number of jobs is fixed, so that if a foreigner gains a job, a U.S. citizen must necessarily lose a job. This is incorrect. Foreigners to not "steal" jobs from Americans. In fact, global employment levels can and do fluctuate.
- They overlook that every producer is also a consumer. If you are employed and make something and sell it, you then have an income with which to purchase goods and services produced by others. As with employment, global production and consumption are variable, not fixed. The more people work, the more goods there are to go around. "Getting rid of those foreign slackers," is just as disdainful of others as "Those damn foreigners are stealing our jobs," but, pragmatically, is more likely to lead to socially beneficial policy outcomes. Consider improvements in the quality of life and reduction in our tax burden if Africans had productive jobs instead instead of relying on the industrialized world to support them with foreign aid.
- They are unaware of the law of comparative advantage, which tells us that both those with an absolute advantage and those with an absolute disadvantage benefit from trade. The naive and incorrect assumption is that those producers with an absolute advantage displace all others.
- They forget that trade is an exchange. They give us stuff and we give them stuff in exchange. To give them stuff, we have to have stuff to give them. Who makes that stuff? Employees. You can not trade goods without having domestic employees to manufacture the goods which you produce to trade.
- They are unaware of the balance of payments and fear that all the money will end up abroad. Foreigners hoarding cash is a benefit to the U.S., because when foreigners hoard U.S. dollars they give us cars, televisions, and computers and all we have given them in trade is little pieces of paper with drawings of our presidents. Less that beneficial-to-us cash hoarding, over time all purchases are reciprocated, so that for every sale to the United States by a foreign entity there is a sale to the foreign entity by from the U.S. There has to be, because when we buy something from a foreign nation the foreigners are left holding U.S. cash which is only of value if spent in the U.S., or traded to someone else. That someone else can only exchange U.S. cash with others or redeem it for U.S. goods. If it is traded abroad perpetually and never redeemed, that is cash hoarding and we benefit.
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The typical right wing person in the US is against globalization, because:
(a) Globalization would undermine US national sovereignty, involving "international law" (written by international bureaucrats rather than a legislature elected by Americans, not signed by an executive elected by Americans, etc) that would necessarily supercede the US Constitution and eventually require agencies not under the US Constitution to enforce it. It would ultimately destroy national borders, as Mr Obama has already demonstrated to some degree. No borders == no nation.
(b) Globalization would undermine US national security, first by undermining soverignty, then by further entangling the military and state dept into actions in the "global" interest (they're stretched enough covering US interests and our alliances) and then by encouraging vital national industries to go global. No patriotic American industries == no "Arsenal of Democracy" (look it up)
(c) Globalization would undermine the American middle class by further encouraging insourcing and outsourcing of labor and pushing-down wages and benefits of anybody not in the upper .01%. With globalization, the global "prevailing wage" becomes the national "prevailing wage", and that means if your home is more expensive than a mud hut then you are being overpaid.
(d) Globalization destroys American culture, pride, and patriotism. Our schools are already stuffed full of moronic teachers pushing globalist themes that insist America is always wrong and bad and advancing globalist themes. We've gone from "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, one) and "the melting pot" (where people from all over the world came here and became Americans, adopting our culture and language and Constitution) to "Diversity" and "Multicultural" where everybody comes here and keeps all the stuff that made the places they fled bad. By "celebrating diversity" we are actually tearing ourselves down, and encouraging our young people to loosen their grip on the Constitution and all the things that made this nation so successful. People who want all that stuff can easily get it in any of the many places it is being imported from, but there's only one America.
The "Right Wing" in Washington DC and NYC is just the phony right side of the Washington-NewYork uniparty. The "Establishment" Republicans are NOT actually right wing at all, they are bought-and-paid-for by the same multinational corporations and Wall St bankers that funded Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Their globalist advisors and pollsters are giving them the same advice they give to their Democrat clients. They wanted Jeb! as their uniparty candidate to face-off with the other uniparty candidate Hillary. No matter which won, the uniparty was supposed to be the winner and the globalists were supposed to get even richer. The reason Jeb! flopped so spectacularly and every fall-back unparty candidate similarly melted in the face of the Donald is simple: The average Republican/right winger is a patriotic American NATIONALIST and the average "establishment" Republican/right winger in the beltway is actually a globalist and a fraud.
The Democrats used to be similarly mostly patriotic Americans (Think: FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ) with a few globalists in the beltway, but over the past couple decades, it became fashionable in left wing circles to oppose American patriotism and nationalism as a form of opposing the patriotic right wingers. In the '90s the Clintons put that into high gear as they cozied up to China and globalist businesses who wanted to get cheap labor in China (Jonny Chung and the Clinton-China fundraising scandals ring any bells?). In the past 8 years Obama put it on steroids as he imported millions of people from all over the world (preferring non-white and non-Christian under the banner of "diversity") and refused to enforce the southern border and immigration laws in an apparent bid to undermine the rule of law and fundamentally alter the culture.
The odd bit about the globalization of America is that it can do nothing more than destroy America - it removes from America the very things that made people want to come here and become Americans, while uplifting all the bad stuff that made them want to leave their prior places.
1. Competent business guys can do things like ask where the bathrooms are and have somebody adjust the blinds, if and when needed AND after more important things are tended to (or, you know, BEFORE showing up to WORK). It's understandable I suppose that this might be confusing after decades of "leadership" by political hacks and incompetent politicians assisted by armies of un-fireable unionized government bureaucrats demonstrating mind-blowing levels of incompetence, inertia, and impotence...
2. When a President negotiates an international agreement, he then submits it to congress to be approved.... and he can stop it in a heartbeat by either deciding not to submit it to congress or by clawing it back from congress and asking them to drop it. The agreement is NOT an act of the legislature over which he only has the final say (a signature or a veto). Trump can easily kill TPP in minute #1 of day #1 by simply NOT submitting it to congress if Obama has not yet submitted it, or by calling-up Senate majority Leader Mitch McConnell and/or House Speaker Paul Ryan and saying "I'm cancelling TPP, just toss your copy in the trash"
Again, you have confused an international treaty with domestic legislation and thus become confused about the complexity of killing it.
BS, Trump won because he mobilized white racism and minorities didn't feel they had a dog in that fight.
I hope when Trump exits the TPP that the rest of the signatories will go back and strip out all the parts the US lobbied to put in that nobody else wanted, like the changes to copyright laws. No need for them to be in there anymore.
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May end up being a much better agreement without the US.
The TPP was negotiated over a very long time time between governments and large corporate interests. While the public was cut out of knowing what was being negotiated, Large corporate interests were sitting at the table through their lobbiests, which added the worst parts of the agreements. The continued drumbeat of longer copyright rules, thanks to the MPAA, is just one example. If you want to see from a Canadian perspective why this deal is a steaming pile of waste http://www.michaelgeist.ca/ shows 50 reasons. And the great irony here, is most of the shit in this deal comes from the U S of A. I dont want to be part of any more trade deals, if the US is at the table, because your guys are the fkn worst in the room.
"She did it too" is not a valid defense.
She's not president-elect.
It doesn't matter if Russia pays her a trillion dollars.
She's not going to be president.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
He's right. Withdrawing from TPP is a potential disaster for our country.
Here's your breakdown from 538
Go away, Nate. You're discredited now. You didn't think you would be able to ride on lucky guesses about one election forever, did you?
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
It continues to lose meaning if you're using it to measure the upper echelon. It's still a perfectly valid measurement of an above average standard of education beyond the high school level.
Good on Trump: TPP was drafted in secret, in an attempt to avoid public discussion and circumvent what less-jaded people think is the legislative process. Fuck that! It should be illegal to do things like this, and while Obama certainly wasn't the first, he deserves big flamage for doing it yet again. And yes, the agreement will change our laws. That should never be tolerated. WIPO is how we got DMCA, for example.
Bad on Trump: He's doing it because he's against actual free trade. *facepalm* (That's the kind of thing where I don't understand why the right wing can stomach this guy, since all the other candidates for the job (except Stein) were far more conservative.)
The president has control over the economy but not in the sense of controlling it year to year.
The president generally speaking has very, very little direct control over the economy. Even indirectly he doesn't really control much. Congress controls the budget, the Federal Reserve controls the money supply. All the president can do is direct the treasury, work on trade policy and foreign relations and a few other minor levers but if the economy goes in the tank there isn't much the president can do about it.
However, the push to expand the national debt will effect the U.S. economy greatly in coming years. In effect, the U.S. borrowed against future prosperity.
Congress controls the budget not the president. If we are spending beyond our means that is 100% the fault of Congress.
He's a Trumpist. And I've never seen him behave otherwise.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
You realize that if someone says there's a 30% chance something will happen, and it happens, it doesn't discredit the model right? This is fucking slashdot, should the concept of odds really be this difficult? All of that nonsense about his "speculation" aside, the numbers I quoted here come from multiple exit polls. They're about as close as we're ever going to get to an accurate result, and do a pretty good job of it.
... with tons of other non-sense to take it's place.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
One thing that people keep forgetting is that Trump did not really mean anything he said during the campaign, and doesn't mean anything that he says now. Please quit thinking that he'll actually do any of these things. Once he takes office, there will be a constant parade of powerful republicans setting his policies and agendas, while he gets to appear on TV and distract from what they are really doing. He DOES NOT CARE about America or Americans or actually doing anything good as president. He only care about the attention.
The only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.
Bernie Sanders' supporter here. I didn't vote on Nov. 8th, because I simply couldn't back a lobbyist like Clinton.
You have that right. Bear in mind that by doing so you gave your vote to someone else and they used it to elect Trump. In essence you voted for Trump whether or not you meant to. If that wasn't the outcome you desired then perhaps next time you'll suck it up and vote.
Instead of complaining, next time choose the right candidate at the Democratic primaries.
So because your favorite candidate didn't get the nomination you acted like a child and refused to participate further. Very mature.
and that issue is pro-corporate, pro 1%. This is what makes them so strong. Their only issue is putting as much money into the hands of the upper class as possible. So they can turn on a dime on any other issue so long as it serves that end.
The left, by contrast, are a mess. The social left and economic left are always at odds with each other. So they get picked apart and you get candidates like Hilary that nobody liked enough to bother voting for. Meanwhile the right can get behind Trump because he'll say anything that gets their base out and the money behind him knows he's one of them and he'll take care of them.
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No, Trump won because he mobilized a white working class that's tired of being ignored by a smug, pompous left that completely ignores the concerns of "flyover" states and labels every white person as racist just because they dare to oppose policies of open borders and trade deals that always end up fucking over the working class.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
And once again we see why Slashdot really needs the ability to at least append corrections to comments. I'll admit that with this crowd all out editing would likely invite chaos.
Well, more chaos.
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In the absence of the TPP, the Far East will become part of the Chinese economic sphere, and so that much more in their sway, under their influence.
There is certainly stuff not to like in the TPP, but the alternative - Chinese influence over a range of countries - is absolutely worse.
Trump is a populist, and the USA will be confused and derailed during his term.
This is just a rebranding exercise. He'll "ditch" TPP and come out with a new deal called Trump's Plan for Prosperity with practically the same content and it'll pass easily.
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Could someone ask him to dump the TTIP as well?
As far as the world is allowed to know, it is pretty much the same thing but across the Atlantic instead.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
I actually pity you, that you imagine that a mere politician has the power to restrain progress for any great length of time.
This is exactly the case, 100%. Trump sold a bill of goods saying he'll bring jobs back and people bought it. There's actually a really great article over at Cracked about Trump's popularity. The TL;DR summary is that "Make America Great Again" means "bring back the manufacturing jobs", not necessarily "let's have racism again". At least that's the theory, anyways.
But those jobs are gone and not coming back, no matter what Trump does. Or if Hillary or Bernie or Stein or Vermin Supreme or anyone else who happened to win would be able to do. Progress isn't partisan and doesn't care who the President is.
Trump's "clean coal" bit? Even if Congress rubber stamps everything he proposes, the coal industry is still doomed, jobs wise. The coal industry is set to drop half its workforce through automation over the next 10 years. That's not theoretical either. The tech is already there. Coal industry will drop 300,000 jobs at least over the next decade, and nothing can stop it. If some crazy "mandatory-buggy-whip-for-each-automobile" type law gets passed here mandating mines can't use robots - still doomed. All that would do is drive up the price of our coal as the rest of the world digs it up cheaper and cheaper.
Best thing we can do is accept it and move on. And plan for it. You're right - people should be *far* more worried about robots than the Chinese. Nobody is talking about how the coal industry is set to drop those 300,000 jobs. Everyone in the rural areas are all aglow with Trump getting elected. They're about to be sorely disappointed though when the robots take over those jobs. Don't think I'm bashing Trump there either - I'm not. Again, it'll happen no matter who the President is. It's just that with Trump he promised to fix things, and he can't. It'll be more bitter.
And the worst is yet to come. Nobody is talking about Google's self-driving car and what stands to happen when that gets perfected. We have 3,500,000 truck drivers employed in the USA. It's the most common profession today, truck driver. And pretty soon most of those people will be unemployed too. It absolutely will happen. What then?
We need to focus more on the future, what we know it will hold, and make our plans for it in the here-and-now.
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rediculous.
I am pretty sure that he does not understand what exactly he is doing here and that all his rich friends are horrified. For all, except the US, this is good news.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
As an Australian, Trump killing the TPP is a good thing. There are some parts of the TPP that would have forced some crazy laws on us, without opening up enough trade opportunities. Stripping out everything that US wanted in the TPP and the other countries involved going ahead with a new agreement should be relatively easy. The US is probably not going to be hurt by not being involved and most of the other countries involved will do better, with the likely exceptions of Canada and Mexico.
The Australian economy depends more on trade with China than with the US and we already have a free trade agreement with China, although China still has too many tariffs. China is already pushing their own broad alternative to the TPP which might mean further tariff reductions. A trade war between the US and China could have some positives for the rest of the world.
Who's talking about "why Trump won" here? Certainly not me..
But, being you asked... I believe it was divine intervention coupled with the democrats failing to mobilize the same voter base that got Obama elected twice. This wasn't republicans showing up to vote, this was democrats NOT showing up... Which is how I thought this election might go.
There was no way Trump could win, Clinton had to lose it. Which she did, even though she outclassed Trump in Dollars spent, experience in elections and media support. Clinton's party's base didn't show up despite all the advantages she had, and she lost to a novice who had never won an election in his life. Clinton screwed up, plain and simple. It was HER fault she lost, not some overwhelming republican turnout she couldn't overcome.
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Way to spin this....
I'm not saying all's fair because both candidates have their issues, only that right now criticizing Trump, who has yet to take office, is nothing but partisan politics.
Can we at least wait until January 20th to start demonizing Trump for self dealing and corruption? By definition he cannot be doing it until he officially becomes president anyway. Besides, where were Obama's detractors when he and his wife both launched their lucrative book deals or when he took the Nobel Prize for being the president? All I heard was crickets.... Not that there is anything wrong with any of that from my perspective... But folks want to pile on Trump already, just because he has financial interests in lots of places and he's now going to be president? Give me a break.
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These polls are impossible. We know from the polls that all women support Hillary and Trump has no chance of ever being elected!
China is ramping up its empire play, specially in Africa, but still its impact in most developing countries is much more beneficial than the equivalent by western institutions.
Critics of the AIIB in particular can barely critique China's lack of democracy after decades of the IMF and WB trumping democratic institutions (and, in many cases, also economies) in most countries where they intervened.
Well, so far since becoming president elect, he has:
agreed to pay out an 8 figure fraud settlement
admitted to breaking non-profit laws with his foundation
Also, he has said he doesn't see any issue with billion dollar conflicts of interest.
But on the plus side:
his wall will be fences
Hillary won't be prosecuted
he restarted the white supremacy movement.
Sure, lets just wait til Jan 20 & ignore all this shit.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
So the polls are great and show that the educated supported Donald, except that they don't and therefore the polls are worthless.
posting as AC because I modded a couple things already.
What replacement for Obamacare exactly? The one where you pay more and only save by not having medical procedures done?
Hang on a second. You've actually said something very insightful about the problem with our current medical system. Nobody knows how much tests and treatments cost (not even the Doctors know) since it's all paid for by insurance. Since insurance pays for lots of stuff, most of us don't even care. We care about the rising cost of insurance, but not about how the impact that our individual behavior has on that rising cost. It's the tragedy of the commons. We could save a lot of money by doing fewer unnecessary tests and letting customers shop around to get care. What's wrong with that? It sounds like you are advocating a system in which the cost/benefit of medicine is completely opaque. Why would you want that? Do you want medical insurance companies an big pharma to dictate everything to us? They will *always* advocate the most profitable course for themselves regardless of the monetary cost and impact on our health.
So all the Asian countries pass the TPP, become a giant trading block without tariffs and then stick it to the US?
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Terms like Progressive or Conservative are probably overly broad and too general to apply to a person. A policy or position might be Progressive, but a person is more nuanced than that.
Example: Liberal California voted to keep the death penalty this election. But Trump-voting Michigan has been against the death penalty for 150 years. You can find people who are Pro-Life on abortion, but may be for or against capital punishment. Human beings are complex and the moderately intelligent ones weigh their position on each issue using their own personal believes and experiences.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I'd replace globalization with localization, because: opposites.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
You are a partisan hack....
MIGHT it be possible that there are other reasons for these settlements? Something a bit more altruistic and a whole lot less than what you think? Oh, no, it cannot be that Trump just wants to do this presidency thing to the best of his ability?
I'm not saying this is the reason, only that it *could* be the reason..... Perhaps Trump is simply removing the distractions and getting these things behind him because he knows that the spectacle of him getting hauled into court to defend himself would detract from his ability to do the things he's committed himself to. So instead of letting this all drag on for years, bringing the bad press along for the ride and handing his detractors ammo to shoot him with he decided to just settle out of court and be done with it...
Believe what you want, but I'm inclined to think he did this (at no small personal cost) for the good of the country, or at least for his eventual legacy in history if nothing else. If you want to somehow make this into some kind of admission of corruption, feel free, but I think you are pushing a bit too hard...
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I actually pity you, that you imagine that a mere politician has the power to restrain progress for any great length of time. My tip to you is rather than moan because you can't get a good job in manufacturing like your old man did, is to get an education. And that is where the government could help, but it won't help anyone by tariff wars that will only end up hurting domestic interests.
Actually there is one historical precedent to this. The Japanese Sakoku period. The Tokugawa shogunate started it and it lasted until 1866. Restricting movement trade and all. It lasted a until the Perry expedition put a end to it. Using gunboat diplomacy.
So technically yes a politician did it. Today? Hmmmmm....
....promised to put Clinton in jail....now it won't happen. ....claimed that climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese....now he says it is caused by humans. .....called others crooked....now his own foundation has to pay back taxes and penalties for spending money on bailing out the Trump clan. ....claims that he is the big uniter and is against hate....yet he offends pretty much everyone and has the National Policy Institute salute with "Heil Trump!" ....said he would drain the swamp....and put every alt-right xenophobe and anti-semite he could find in the republican establishment into office.
Trump is a liar, a flip-flopping opportunist, nothing else than a Hitler 2.0.
Which morons vote for a guy like that????
Donald Trump has never, in his entire life, done anything good for anyone that wasn't good for Donald Trump first and foremost.
But, sure I believe he in essence admitted to fraud for the good of the country. Or possibly because the evidence was overwhelming.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
As someone with no dog in this fight it has been pretty much the ultimate in wrestle mania trying to avoid watching your elections, I am ready for normal 'programming' now.
It was clear that Mrs Clinton carried much of the rhetoric of the establishment and was their preference. I think she was deeply uncomfortable with the 2 attempts at being president because her body language was so unnatural all of the time.
I detested Mr Trump because he came across as a narcissistic prick. On the other hand it occurred to me, maybe that's what it takes to play the game of running for president. So whilst I detest him it did show that the people of the US are sick to death of the establishment and can still buck the system, for that I was surprised and delighted.
I wrote to my representatives regarding concerns about the TPP after reading as much of it as I could (only about 1000 of the 6000 pages) none of it will work for any country who signs it. If I can dig put a link to the pdf, I'll post it.
I hope that he is brave enough to start fixing some of the structural problems the US have that are apolitical. If he is dumping the TPP that is a sure sign of someone who is a leader who is prepared to make up their own mind. In that regard I think Americans have created an opportunity for Trump to be a great leader.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Not only do we benefit from cash hoarding, there is this other accusation: China manipulates its currency, and/or subsidizes production, to make its exported goods more affordable.
If true, this is effectively a transfer of wealth from Chinese citizens to non-Chinese citizens. We benefit from the first-order effect (goods become cheaper for American consumers), and the negative effect (some American jobs move to China) is only a second-order effect.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Some bathroom bills are constructed such that one is considered male if either having XY chromosomes or assigned male at birth, or female if XX or assigned female. Thus if chromosomes don't match assignment at birth, one is both male and female. It goes on to ban females from men's rooms and vice versa. By a literal interpretation of the bill, people who have both sexes are banned from both bathrooms. Source: Indiana House Bill 1079
Can cost be lowered without rationing or death panels or QALY metrics? Without any sort of rationing, care per patient (and thus cost) can in theory increase without bound. Or what am I missing?
Hooray! Someone with enough balls actually just stand up for this country for once. I don't know how you felt about us be forced into this agreement, an agreement made in secret does anyone know what happened on Jekyll Island? You know that's secretive deal made during the holiday which proved to be one of the most significant changes to our economy then almost any other. The TPP is very similar. I have read and studied much of what was available but this was such a tiny portion to the actual agreements that it was barely worth reading. The fact that our current administration our current president as well as one of the presidential candidates what support such a travesty is frightening to say the least. Make no mistake this was not a partnership, this was clearly a treaty, a treaty that was negotiated outside of the best interest of the United States. I applaud Donald Trump for standing up against this abomination for standing with the people of United States as opposed to selling out our country and our people in an effort to further giveaway our sovereignty.
You are better off to not make any deals with America. No tell what false thing they will make Americans jump at next.
Dont invest here or anything really. Herbert Hoover the second in office.
Run for the hills.
If he did or did not DO anything is now irrelevant. He will now be in a position where those things he say can suddenly come to life because he has the power of the government behind him. Before all he had was a loud mouthed website. News agencies can be powerful, but they don't have that punch behind them that the President & Congress do. So maybe he really does believe the things he says and writes but was unable to effectively make them happen. Us Liberals are bitching because now he can. Not that any of this changed your mind.
Sorry to burst your fag bubble, but that doesn't imply that at all. Guess what? I have a white son. Does that mean I am not white? Nope, because I am indeed white. You have some kind of pegging fetish you need to work on, mate, before someone gets hurt.
OH NO, FUCKER! You asshats don't get to use that excuse because during the latter half of the election when loss was certain, you bastards paraded Bill's mistresses around like it was a traveling circus. You made a big damned deal about how a penis that is not attached to her, completely ruined her ability to have morals and character. Oh no, you fuckers can take your stupid rebel flag and shove it right up your racist assholes! You know damned good and well that you shitheads are putting the wolves in charge of the hen house and you're doing it to watch the world burn. You'll get what you want but it'll be your own damned house on fire and it'll be I who has the smug assed grin on my face.
FYI hypocrite, you are discrediting his sources for the same reasons you dismiss our concerns over Bannon. Your first sentence is sexist. You then dismiss her as crazy. Then just flat out called her a liar without even knowing her. You then dismiss the whole story due to it being on a left leaning newsite.
You are here arguing that just because Bannon ran a website that posted every hateful bullshit "news" article that Alex Jones wouldn't publish, we should still give him the benefit of the doubt and that he isn't sexist, racist, homophobic, antisemitic, and whatever else he's published over the years. You wont give his ex the benefit of the doubt because you're "biased because they disagree with you!!!!!". Then in typical conservative fashion you play the old shame card and throw an insult at us. Oh and the shouting. Do you know who I heard shouting the loudest, longest, and meanest? It wasn't Hillary.
You can go be hateful somewhere else.
Don't give me that "he didn't write the articles" crap! He was the head guy and condoned, if not directed, the content. He gets NO pass in this! Jeez, it's like the old prison guards saying 'I was just following orders".
Steve Bannon may be the best guy whoever lived, who never said to his ex-wife that he didn't want his kids going to school with Jews, and never pushed the breitbart website to more and more racist content, and never, ever, EVER would disparage women, Jews, blacks or Muslims.
The problem: SOMETHING about him and his publishing company, (or website or whatever it is) has given the new American Nazi Party (hey, let's not make up a new name for old hate) the idea that he IS on their side, DOES practice prejudice and hate in his daily life and work and FEELS the same way that they do.
The result: In the year leading up to the election, right before and now, we see unprecedented civil rights violations, hate crimes and daily reports of bullying, taunting and other activities that have no place in our society, in ANY society.
The reality comes from perception. The perception of Steve Bannon, and by extension, of Trump of being hateful racist people is also maintained by NO ONE in the Donald camp coming out publicly and forcefully against the behavior. The whole 60 minutes "I say stop it" was not only ridiculous, but also serves to maintain the racist perception.
Donald Trump and Steve Bannon were not born with these inclinations, they learned them from someone. In the case of Trump, from his father who hated black people. I don't know what happened to Bannon, nor do I care. I would just like to see him banished in disgrace.
I suspect you are correct. However most of that is just smoke and mirrors. I've seen through the years where the exact same thing comes around again re-branded with a new name for the political party of the day, and marched out like a pig on parade.
Sometimes some minor changes will be done to "make it theirs" so to speak, other times it is literally the exact same thing just called something else. In a year we'll start hearing about the Trump Pacific Pact and they won't even have to change the letterhead. Obamacare will change into Trumpocare, etc...
whatever good will that you may have, China will find ways to exploit it for its own gain. after all, it is the culture that gave birth to books like Art of War and 36 Strategems.
I have been trying to understand how the wall would have any effect on drug transport? Surely a cheap quadcopter can transport modest quantities over any wall with ease, while high volume operations will just dig tunnels. I does seem like a waste time to me.
intersex people are natures' mistakes.
These "mistakes" are also citizens. In a similar way, people with disabilities are also "mistakes", but that didn't keep Republican President George H. W. Bush from signing the Americans with Disabilities Act to improve the plight of said "mistakes". His son even signed a revision in 2008.
Yeah.... I actually tried to Google to re-locate the original article I read about this, but I'm not coming up with it right now.
There was a big manufacturer of your standard issue nails used in home construction who really suffered from Chinese counterfeits that started coming in. They hired a detective who tried to track down the manufacturer in China, only to find the supposed business address belonged to an abandoned warehouse.
Psst... Your partisan slip is showing....
Personally, I don't know Donald Trump at all so there is no way I could pass such a judgment... My guess is YOU don't know him either, you just THINK you do. You are judging him on externals and appearances, not what you know for fact about the man himself. How so? Here is my guess....
1. He's rich - sort of, and we all KNOW that rich people got so though some kind of moral failings, cheating, stealing what have you. The left in this country routinely pull this false logical argument out about the right. You are doing it here... That slip is really too long for that outfit.
2. He's white and male - Which we all KNOW are the oppressors of the world. That slip might be a few sizes too big for you.
3. He's republican - at least in name, so you don't like him or his ideas because we all KNOW republicans are for all sorts of "bad" thing. We throw grandma off the cliff, want dirty air and water, and don't care about starving children. Which is all rhetoric, partisan rhetoric, which is born of the politics of the left which are largely based on division and pitting one group's perceived interests vrs another's. That slip sure is BLUE and that doesn't match you lily white outfit.
4. The press tells you to hate him. After all, they don't like him and cannot believe he won the election, so they have to do their best to destroy him before he even takes office if they can. I think the press is lying to you, or at least misleading you about what they actually KNOW. Remember their election predictions from before November 8th? Where they being honest to you then? No? Then how do you know they are now? (You don't...) Don't be stupid, try to apply a bit of critical thinking here.. Your slip is obviously dirty, have you done your laundry lately?
Put away the partisanship sir.. That slip makes you look fat and ugly and it stinks of self righteousness....
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Fuck off.
His 'colorful' story is well known and well documented.
I love how you tell *me* not to judge him, yet you do the same to me. Hypocrite much?
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Losing the argument? Don't like it much? No need to cuss about it...
Which reminds me of a somewhat true joke...
What is a "racist"? What a liberal calls you when they are losing the policy argument.
Only in this case, what does it mean when someone starts cussing during a debate? They are losing, and deep down they know it.
Keep trying to hide that stinky, dirty slip.... This "I'm rubber and you are glue..." tactic isn't working with me..
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