No, both are not right. You are not an Ubuntu user by watching a movie rendered on Ubuntu or because some headless Ubuntu server sends you a video stream. That's just bullshit trying to inflate user numbers.
In his roundabout way, what he is saying is that although Ubuntu did not achieve its original goal of 200 million desktop users, it did achieve a much greater success as the OS of choice on many times that number of embedded and server devices, a purpose for which Ubuntu is an excellent choice. IOS and Android have the mobile market, Microsoft has the desktop market, and Ubuntu is quickly nailing the embedded and server markets. Which of those do you think is bigger and/ or more important? Desktop use cases are slowly being replaced by more mobile platforms with cloud servers backing them up. Embedded devices are quickly growing in complexity, quantity and capability. At the end of the day, Microsoft's stronghold is of fading relevance. Android and IOS are at the height of their popularity, and have nowhere to go but down (damn near everyone has a cellphone, and tablet. There really isn't anywhere to grow those markets). The IoT has only growth ahead of it. A typical household has maybe a half dozen embedded devices capable of running an OS. By 2050, that number will be over 100 per household, and you can be damn sure that none of those device will run Windows, IOS or Android, much as Microsoft wishes otherwise.
And the US military posts in West Berlin were OK with that?
The entire point of this exercise was that we had so damn many of these weapons, even by that time that we needed to invent places to drop them all. The USSR was just as bad. The Japanese demonstrated quite effectively that you could drop any number of these things in an unoccupied place and no one will care. It wasn't until the demonstrated ability to continue hitting targets that the Japanese surrendered. The USSR would have been just as stubborn, if they weren't in fact crazy enough to strike first...
In the end, the only sure path to "victory" was to ensure that we could keep hitting targets until either the Russians surrendered, or there wasn't anyone left to fight, whichever came first. No doubt, their plan was identical.
The economy is the RESULT of people doing 'stuff'. "It" is not a servant of anyone. If that 'stuff' is wealth destroying feel good nonsense - wealth is destroyed - thus mathless degrees have no ROI. If instead that 'stuff' is production - wealth is created ( why we are seeing the general transfer of capital to Asia.)
Under the cartel/socialist system we have now, the creation of wealth in the USA is declining because the rewards are steered to the corrupt rather than the productive. It is simply political theater that there the 'big-business' and 'big-government' people are not one and the same.
A good measure of corruption is the size of the middle class - which is disappearing.
I hope Sanders gets elected so it finishes collapsing sooner rather than later. The longer they prop it up - the farther it will fall.
Here is a hint - while it is quite possible to print money - it is not possible to print wealth. The idea that printing money works was thoroughly tested by the Mugabe school of economics.
Now that women get married to the government instead of men - men have lost agency of purpose - and not a lot of reason to go to school or find productive work. Socialism is a form of reverse eugenics where the fit are forced to support the unfit (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] ). The quest for utopia has a really bad track record...
Wow, You got ignorance, paranoia and misogyny all in one post. All you needed was a little racism, and you would have achieved the whole gamut.
And Musk has a new fancy battery factory, perfect for selling to VW.
Selling those batteries to VW would be a bafflingly dumb mistake. Musk wants other car makers or third parties to build their own batteries
Tesla doesn't make their margins on batteries, they make their margins on the whole car. Every battery they sell to someone else is one less car they can sell. The bigger plan is to create a larger market for electrics, which will then stimulate third party interest in making batteries. If VW is forced to make electrics, they will have to make their own batteries, which means building a battery plant of their own, or finding a third party willing to do so. The reason we dont already see more of these battery factories spring up is because to achieve a reasonable per unit price, it needs to be a big factory, and starting a big factory is a billion dollar investment. That kind of capital outlay on an experiment scares the hell out of the sheeple investors today, so no one will build the batteries, and because the batteries remain expensive, no one will build the cars (except Tesla, and they have proven that the market is far larger than the supply).
Do you seriously think locals said "Hey let's elect these people so they can give us cheap tainted water!" Should a populace be held responsible to a person for the actions and effects of the decisions of their elected officials?
No, but they really do elect those people for the dumbest reasons. I spent a fair amount of time involved in town politics in an "enlightened" state, and the fight was always the same: How much do we cut town services to reduce taxes, and how much do we allow the parents to raise the school budget.
No where in there does the towns infrastructure *ever* get updated. People simply don't have the long view when its not their money, and most voters are one issue voters who are barely qualified to keep breathing. That was a wealthy influential town, I can't even imagine what the hill billies are like...
It doesn't sound like the lead problem as-described is simply a case of service-entrance lead pipe from the street to the residence. If the water was acidic enough to leach the lead from 30' of pipe to reach these lead-levels then the people would be complaining of acid burns of the mouth and esophagus, and the pipes would have rotted away.
It doesn't take dangerous levels of acidity to leach 25 PPB from lead piping. a PH of about 6 would do it. That's the same PH as a peeled potato...
Shouldn't the people who polluted the river bear some of the blame?
It's not the river water that’s polluted per se. The river water is fairly corrosive, a condition which does happen naturally, or could be the result of pollution of some kind. The river water by itself is safe to drink. The problem is that the city water infrastructure is built with a large amount of lead piping. The city’s homes also have a huge number of lead fixtures, lead fittings, and lead solder. The root cause is simply a refusal to dig up and replace all that dangerous piping in the ground and replace it. The Detroit water had hidden the problem by virtue of that fact that lake Huron water is not very corrosive, so it didn't dissolve nearly as much lead...
See that "jury box" there? That implies that what you're fighting is illegal or unconstitutional. What has Trump proposed that is either?
Discriminating against someone based on their religion is prohibited by the first amendment to the constitution. Its a fact that most people seem to forget as soon as its not their religion being discriminated against, or when they would like to indulge in discriminating against someone else’s religion...
We have a process to ELECT Trump, it's called "Voting".
What pricks like you fail to realize is that you are a faggot minority.
We who are the majority want Trump to be the next president, and he will be.
Just wait and see, bitches.
Hahahahaha.
I laugh because you are probably right, and because he is the president you deserve.
He's the candidate they deserve. If you spend all of your effort pandering to the uneducated masses, and playing on their angst, don't be surprised when it runs away with you. The republican party spent decades using the religious right to achieve their anti social agenda. Now that same right wing that had been used is calling the shots and, surprise surprise, the party doesn't like where its being dragged. The republicans should have long ago left the right out in the cold and come center (fiscally conservative, small government, socially progressive), they would've enjoyed a great deal more support than the religious right can provide, and would have drained that very support from the Democrats. I thinks its time to liquidate the republican party (or abandon it to the far right wing nuts), and start over from a libertarian base.
Porsche: didn't blink
Tesla: embedded in concrete barrier.
I was in the back seat of a P85D with a semi pro race driver in command. We were on one of those test rides that Tesla schedules all over the country. The cars have a powerful traction control, which my esteemed pilot seemed determined to break. At 115 in a 35, he was unable to shake the back end loose around the turns. Scared the hell out of me and the Tesla guy in the jump seat though...
OK, if Toyota built out a nationwide network of retail stores, and staff those stores, and put inventory in those stores, how much per car would that I'll add to the price? I bet it's much more than 1500, because if it were less, they would've done it!
All other reasons aside, they haven't done it because in 41 of the 50 states, its prohibited by law. That renders any economics completely moot...
In fact, start over from scratch without Poettering.
Then do it. Winners don't ask or expect others to do for them, they do and let others come to them. So far I have seen only one good solution to the literally hundreds of related problems that SystemD solves. Show me the *real* alternative that actually solves all of the same problems and we'll talk.
I find that most of the people, who claim that SystemD doesn't solve any problems, are not programmers themselves, and are only regurgitating the same old untrue crap that other uninformed dolts are spreading. At the end fo the day, those who know what they are talking about are choosing SystemD with remarkable consistency and speed. That alone tells me that it is a better solution than what they were doing before, if not the best solution available.
and other dealerships were really great and spent a lot of time with me.
You as the end consumer paid approximately $70 per hour for the time they spent with you, including the time of *both* people it took to process your loan application, *and* the two hours they stood around waiting for you to arrive. After all of that, they still provided you with less useful information than you could have gleaned by reading the relevant consumer reports issue. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you, you got swindled and you apparently didn't even know it. All told, that middle man added approximately 8%, which for a Toyota corolla is about $1500. Was it worth $1500 for them to treat you the way they did, and do you still feel that their service was "really great"?
Direct democracy doesnâ(TM)t work at any scale. The problem is that any grouping of people will take steps to exclude people from the group. This means that *any* group of people will oppress a smaller group given the opportunity. The problem is worsened when the oppressing group is large enough to offer some degree of anonymity. This has been proven to be an enabler for all of the worst kinds of human behaviour. The United States founding fathers were correct in that the biggest threat to any populace is its own government.
The fundamental goal of any moral government has to be the defense of the rights of the people, even when those right cost the greater whole. When any segment of society looses fundamental rights, no ones rights are safe.
Edward Snowden is a sainted genius for doing the EXACT SAME THING, only FAR, FAR more and worse.
Snowden is praised because he revealed the mass invasion of privacy against individuals who are not terrorists and have no affiliation with terrorists.
Mass surveillance is bad because sooner or later, the government becomes the terrorist, and the ultimate goal is to lay the groundwork in advance so that removing these tyrants is as bloodless and painless as possible. Mass surveillance, and the disarming of the populace are measures taken to make it easier for those in power to stay in power. We need to take any and all actions reasonable to ensure that those in power remain rightfully fearful of the governed masses. When they no longer fear the power of the people, the corruption begins. It doesn't take very long after that for the human rights abuses, and ultimately outright tyranny in its worst incarnations.
Excuse me, you get ANY desired message by trying all possible one time pads.
No, you get an extremely small subset of the possible original messages. Of that subset, only an extremely small subset is anything other than gibberish. This is the basic principle upon which all cracking is based.
For a sample size of one message, the probability of successfully finding and verifying the correct message are vanishingly small. As you send more and more messages with the same pad, or if the pads follow any kind of predictable pattern, or god forbid, one of your pads is discovered through other means, the encryption is severely weakened. The problem is compounded exponentially the more redundancy there is in each message, or between them. That is the reason that the only German the folks at Bletchly park needed to know to crack the enigma was "Hail Hitler". It showed in every single German message, and vastly simplified the code breaking.
250k to develop a commercial electronics product, let alone a robot is a joke. You need way more than that.
The only way this could (maybe) work is if this was a reward for bringing any such device to the market, no strings attached. No need to hand it over to them for 250k (haha).
Electronics cost far less than that to produce if you discount the labor. That is exactly what happens with a startup company, which is exactly what this kind of prize is intended to inspire...
The actual materials and tools costs of electronics design is less than 10% of what it was 20 years ago. A good scope for robotics design will run you less than $200. You wouldn't design a processor board, you would buy an off-the-shelf PI or BBB.
Even the metalworking tools needed for robot design have come down in price as metalworking tool manufacturers have realized they need to drop the prices pretty drastically just to compete with 3D printing.
In the end, yes, it will cost 5 to 10 man years of work to design this thing, but a startup has the advantage that those costs are deferred until the company actually has revenue...
Japan has had no real economic growth for 30 years, and in in the midst of population catastrophe. Maybe not the best example.
They also have almost no natural resources and a population density almost ten times the USA. Pretty remarkable that they manage to keep a powerhouse economy running at all when they have to import damn near everything.
So, no for the big names, it's simply not about employee abuse, it's genuinely about finding people qualified to work at this level of expectation. And once you're past your first few years, almost no one cares where (or whether) you went to school. If 2-year programs broaden the talent pool to more people not following the traditional path, more power to them. Whatever helps those bright enough to make a career of it get in the door is a good thing.
To a large degree I agree, but the basic problem is not that these companies do not pay enough, its that they will only accept the top 5% of applicants. The companies can't be bothered to train employees, so they have to choose between poaching each others employees, or doing without. Back in the bad old days, companies realized that it was typically years before a new employee became productive. Today, if a new employee is not "up to speed" within 6 months, they start getting bad reviews and ultimately will leave. Some companies have understood this and started co-op / internship programs, but most companies cannot compete under these terms, so they do without talent because they cant afford to buy it and have an even harder time trying to grow their own.
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Ubuntu is a toy.
IBM said the same thing about PCs and windows in the '80s. History has shown them to be morons. Do you want to reconsider your position?
No, both are not right. You are not an Ubuntu user by watching a movie rendered on Ubuntu or because some headless Ubuntu server sends you a video stream. That's just bullshit trying to inflate user numbers.
In his roundabout way, what he is saying is that although Ubuntu did not achieve its original goal of 200 million desktop users, it did achieve a much greater success as the OS of choice on many times that number of embedded and server devices, a purpose for which Ubuntu is an excellent choice. IOS and Android have the mobile market, Microsoft has the desktop market, and Ubuntu is quickly nailing the embedded and server markets. Which of those do you think is bigger and/ or more important? Desktop use cases are slowly being replaced by more mobile platforms with cloud servers backing them up. Embedded devices are quickly growing in complexity, quantity and capability. At the end of the day, Microsoft's stronghold is of fading relevance. Android and IOS are at the height of their popularity, and have nowhere to go but down (damn near everyone has a cellphone, and tablet. There really isn't anywhere to grow those markets). The IoT has only growth ahead of it. A typical household has maybe a half dozen embedded devices capable of running an OS. By 2050, that number will be over 100 per household, and you can be damn sure that none of those device will run Windows, IOS or Android, much as Microsoft wishes otherwise.
And the US military posts in West Berlin were OK with that?
The entire point of this exercise was that we had so damn many of these weapons, even by that time that we needed to invent places to drop them all. The USSR was just as bad. The Japanese demonstrated quite effectively that you could drop any number of these things in an unoccupied place and no one will care. It wasn't until the demonstrated ability to continue hitting targets that the Japanese surrendered. The USSR would have been just as stubborn, if they weren't in fact crazy enough to strike first...
In the end, the only sure path to "victory" was to ensure that we could keep hitting targets until either the Russians surrendered, or there wasn't anyone left to fight, whichever came first. No doubt, their plan was identical.
The economy is the RESULT of people doing 'stuff'. "It" is not a servant of anyone. If that 'stuff' is wealth destroying feel good nonsense - wealth is destroyed - thus mathless degrees have no ROI. If instead that 'stuff' is production - wealth is created ( why we are seeing the general transfer of capital to Asia.) Under the cartel/socialist system we have now, the creation of wealth in the USA is declining because the rewards are steered to the corrupt rather than the productive. It is simply political theater that there the 'big-business' and 'big-government' people are not one and the same. A good measure of corruption is the size of the middle class - which is disappearing. I hope Sanders gets elected so it finishes collapsing sooner rather than later. The longer they prop it up - the farther it will fall. Here is a hint - while it is quite possible to print money - it is not possible to print wealth. The idea that printing money works was thoroughly tested by the Mugabe school of economics. Now that women get married to the government instead of men - men have lost agency of purpose - and not a lot of reason to go to school or find productive work. Socialism is a form of reverse eugenics where the fit are forced to support the unfit (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] ). The quest for utopia has a really bad track record...
Wow, You got ignorance, paranoia and misogyny all in one post. All you needed was a little racism, and you would have achieved the whole gamut.
It's the kind of bullshit argument that oligarchs made against democracy at the outset of the American Revolution.
That doesn't mean they were wrong...
And Musk has a new fancy battery factory, perfect for selling to VW.
Selling those batteries to VW would be a bafflingly dumb mistake. Musk wants other car makers or third parties to build their own batteries
Tesla doesn't make their margins on batteries, they make their margins on the whole car. Every battery they sell to someone else is one less car they can sell. The bigger plan is to create a larger market for electrics, which will then stimulate third party interest in making batteries. If VW is forced to make electrics, they will have to make their own batteries, which means building a battery plant of their own, or finding a third party willing to do so. The reason we dont already see more of these battery factories spring up is because to achieve a reasonable per unit price, it needs to be a big factory, and starting a big factory is a billion dollar investment. That kind of capital outlay on an experiment scares the hell out of the sheeple investors today, so no one will build the batteries, and because the batteries remain expensive, no one will build the cars (except Tesla, and they have proven that the market is far larger than the supply).
Do you seriously think locals said "Hey let's elect these people so they can give us cheap tainted water!" Should a populace be held responsible to a person for the actions and effects of the decisions of their elected officials?
No, but they really do elect those people for the dumbest reasons. I spent a fair amount of time involved in town politics in an "enlightened" state, and the fight was always the same: How much do we cut town services to reduce taxes, and how much do we allow the parents to raise the school budget.
No where in there does the towns infrastructure *ever* get updated. People simply don't have the long view when its not their money, and most voters are one issue voters who are barely qualified to keep breathing. That was a wealthy influential town, I can't even imagine what the hill billies are like...
It doesn't sound like the lead problem as-described is simply a case of service-entrance lead pipe from the street to the residence. If the water was acidic enough to leach the lead from 30' of pipe to reach these lead-levels then the people would be complaining of acid burns of the mouth and esophagus, and the pipes would have rotted away.
It doesn't take dangerous levels of acidity to leach 25 PPB from lead piping. a PH of about 6 would do it. That's the same PH as a peeled potato...
Shouldn't the people who polluted the river bear some of the blame?
It's not the river water that’s polluted per se. The river water is fairly corrosive, a condition which does happen naturally, or could be the result of pollution of some kind. The river water by itself is safe to drink. The problem is that the city water infrastructure is built with a large amount of lead piping. The city’s homes also have a huge number of lead fixtures, lead fittings, and lead solder. The root cause is simply a refusal to dig up and replace all that dangerous piping in the ground and replace it. The Detroit water had hidden the problem by virtue of that fact that lake Huron water is not very corrosive, so it didn't dissolve nearly as much lead...
See that "jury box" there? That implies that what you're fighting is illegal or unconstitutional. What has Trump proposed that is either?
Discriminating against someone based on their religion is prohibited by the first amendment to the constitution. Its a fact that most people seem to forget as soon as its not their religion being discriminated against, or when they would like to indulge in discriminating against someone else’s religion...
If all the polls are saying that the side of justice is going to lose, then should you resort to force?
"There are four boxes to use in defence of liberty: Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box. Please use in that order" -Abraham Lincoln 1863
That's one...
We have a process to ELECT Trump, it's called "Voting". What pricks like you fail to realize is that you are a faggot minority. We who are the majority want Trump to be the next president, and he will be. Just wait and see, bitches.
Hahahahaha.
I laugh because you are probably right, and because he is the president you deserve.
If he ends up being the nominee that'll be sad.
He's the candidate they deserve. If you spend all of your effort pandering to the uneducated masses, and playing on their angst, don't be surprised when it runs away with you. The republican party spent decades using the religious right to achieve their anti social agenda. Now that same right wing that had been used is calling the shots and, surprise surprise, the party doesn't like where its being dragged. The republicans should have long ago left the right out in the cold and come center (fiscally conservative, small government, socially progressive), they would've enjoyed a great deal more support than the religious right can provide, and would have drained that very support from the Democrats. I thinks its time to liquidate the republican party (or abandon it to the far right wing nuts), and start over from a libertarian base.
"We see our employees as children"
At least its better than "We see our employees as cattle"
Porsche: didn't blink Tesla: embedded in concrete barrier.
I was in the back seat of a P85D with a semi pro race driver in command. We were on one of those test rides that Tesla schedules all over the country. The cars have a powerful traction control, which my esteemed pilot seemed determined to break. At 115 in a 35, he was unable to shake the back end loose around the turns. Scared the hell out of me and the Tesla guy in the jump seat though...
OK, if Toyota built out a nationwide network of retail stores, and staff those stores, and put inventory in those stores, how much per car would that I'll add to the price? I bet it's much more than 1500, because if it were less, they would've done it!
All other reasons aside, they haven't done it because in 41 of the 50 states, its prohibited by law. That renders any economics completely moot...
In fact, start over from scratch without Poettering.
Then do it. Winners don't ask or expect others to do for them, they do and let others come to them. So far I have seen only one good solution to the literally hundreds of related problems that SystemD solves. Show me the *real* alternative that actually solves all of the same problems and we'll talk.
I find that most of the people, who claim that SystemD doesn't solve any problems, are not programmers themselves, and are only regurgitating the same old untrue crap that other uninformed dolts are spreading. At the end fo the day, those who know what they are talking about are choosing SystemD with remarkable consistency and speed. That alone tells me that it is a better solution than what they were doing before, if not the best solution available.
and other dealerships were really great and spent a lot of time with me.
You as the end consumer paid approximately $70 per hour for the time they spent with you, including the time of *both* people it took to process your loan application, *and* the two hours they stood around waiting for you to arrive. After all of that, they still provided you with less useful information than you could have gleaned by reading the relevant consumer reports issue. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you, you got swindled and you apparently didn't even know it. All told, that middle man added approximately 8%, which for a Toyota corolla is about $1500. Was it worth $1500 for them to treat you the way they did, and do you still feel that their service was "really great"?
To put that in perspective, $1500 would buy you a night at a Waldorf Astoria with a McLaren MP4-12C rental car for the day.
Direct democracy doesnâ(TM)t work at any scale. The problem is that any grouping of people will take steps to exclude people from the group. This means that *any* group of people will oppress a smaller group given the opportunity. The problem is worsened when the oppressing group is large enough to offer some degree of anonymity. This has been proven to be an enabler for all of the worst kinds of human behaviour. The United States founding fathers were correct in that the biggest threat to any populace is its own government.
The fundamental goal of any moral government has to be the defense of the rights of the people, even when those right cost the greater whole. When any segment of society looses fundamental rights, no ones rights are safe.
Edward Snowden is a sainted genius for doing the EXACT SAME THING, only FAR, FAR more and worse.
Snowden is praised because he revealed the mass invasion of privacy against individuals who are not terrorists and have no affiliation with terrorists.
Mass surveillance is bad because sooner or later, the government becomes the terrorist, and the ultimate goal is to lay the groundwork in advance so that removing these tyrants is as bloodless and painless as possible. Mass surveillance, and the disarming of the populace are measures taken to make it easier for those in power to stay in power. We need to take any and all actions reasonable to ensure that those in power remain rightfully fearful of the governed masses. When they no longer fear the power of the people, the corruption begins. It doesn't take very long after that for the human rights abuses, and ultimately outright tyranny in its worst incarnations.
I favor the lock-and-load general purpose laser, myself. Fry 'em, especially when they try to catch my neighbor sunning herself.
That would work double duty at the prisons too! Fry the drones coming and *and* the prisoners going out...
Excuse me, you get ANY desired message by trying all possible one time pads.
No, you get an extremely small subset of the possible original messages. Of that subset, only an extremely small subset is anything other than gibberish. This is the basic principle upon which all cracking is based.
For a sample size of one message, the probability of successfully finding and verifying the correct message are vanishingly small. As you send more and more messages with the same pad, or if the pads follow any kind of predictable pattern, or god forbid, one of your pads is discovered through other means, the encryption is severely weakened. The problem is compounded exponentially the more redundancy there is in each message, or between them. That is the reason that the only German the folks at Bletchly park needed to know to crack the enigma was "Hail Hitler". It showed in every single German message, and vastly simplified the code breaking.
250k to develop a commercial electronics product, let alone a robot is a joke. You need way more than that. The only way this could (maybe) work is if this was a reward for bringing any such device to the market, no strings attached. No need to hand it over to them for 250k (haha).
Electronics cost far less than that to produce if you discount the labor. That is exactly what happens with a startup company, which is exactly what this kind of prize is intended to inspire...
The actual materials and tools costs of electronics design is less than 10% of what it was 20 years ago. A good scope for robotics design will run you less than $200. You wouldn't design a processor board, you would buy an off-the-shelf PI or BBB.
Even the metalworking tools needed for robot design have come down in price as metalworking tool manufacturers have realized they need to drop the prices pretty drastically just to compete with 3D printing.
In the end, yes, it will cost 5 to 10 man years of work to design this thing, but a startup has the advantage that those costs are deferred until the company actually has revenue...
Japan has had no real economic growth for 30 years, and in in the midst of population catastrophe. Maybe not the best example.
They also have almost no natural resources and a population density almost ten times the USA. Pretty remarkable that they manage to keep a powerhouse economy running at all when they have to import damn near everything.
So, no for the big names, it's simply not about employee abuse, it's genuinely about finding people qualified to work at this level of expectation. And once you're past your first few years, almost no one cares where (or whether) you went to school. If 2-year programs broaden the talent pool to more people not following the traditional path, more power to them. Whatever helps those bright enough to make a career of it get in the door is a good thing.
To a large degree I agree, but the basic problem is not that these companies do not pay enough, its that they will only accept the top 5% of applicants. The companies can't be bothered to train employees, so they have to choose between poaching each others employees, or doing without. Back in the bad old days, companies realized that it was typically years before a new employee became productive. Today, if a new employee is not "up to speed" within 6 months, they start getting bad reviews and ultimately will leave. Some companies have understood this and started co-op / internship programs, but most companies cannot compete under these terms, so they do without talent because they cant afford to buy it and have an even harder time trying to grow their own.