I realize you're AC and will likely never see this, but don't forget to check out the recipes online. There are some great one on the Happy Herbivore website.
Which nutrients and macronutrients do you suggest that we are missing? Iron's readily available from plant sources. Every amino acid is available from grains and legumes. (Tofu and quinoa have them all.) Vitamins? Not really a problem with a plant-based diet.
Now, my kids are in the 99th percentile for height and in the advanced classes -- clear signs of terrible health. My daughter's in grade 2. She regularly gets perfect on the grade 5 spelling tests.
Sure, you can see their muscles a little -- it makes it hard to buy pants for them when the manufacturers are expecting kids that tall to weigh an extra 20-30 pounds. Shoes too, they don't make them for skinny kids. That's probably because we're not seeing the side effects of long-term antibiotics in our diet.
I generally eat about 3000 calories a day; I lead a very active lifestyle outside of sitting down in the cube for the workday.
Nope, it's probably about the same cost as omnivore. We don't buy meat, obviously, but we make that up with tofus, odd flours, and lots more fruits and veggies. Tofu is about $3 a pound, but it's all "lean", and that subs in for all kinds of meats. There's a yummy recipe for bourbon chicken that we use regularly, and we just sub in a brick of tofu for the chicken. Soy milk is one of the bigger cost increases -- a 2L container is about $5 vs. about $2 for cow, and we go through 4 of those a week. (There aren't bigger jugs or we'd get those.)
But then, if we want to make "crab" cakes, it's just made from tofu so it's not $12 a pound for crab / wait for a sale. On the other hand, if I did eat seafood I'd have my SW licence so I could just go pick up crabs when I go diving. Last night dive, we encountered a foot-diameter Puget Sound crab (not including legs) and we played with her for a while. Strong fucker, literally holding on for dear life against the rocks. Anyway, that would have been dinner for free. ($3000 worth of diving gear, training, and air notwithstanding.)
My wife and I cook dinner every night and everyone gets leftovers the next day.
We've got a collection of recipes that kids like (i.e. the little fuckers will actually EAT it) that doesn't take fifty ingredients (i.e. Where TF do you buy saffron-infused avocado oil?) that won't bore the adults (i.e. No. We are not having pasta with tomato soup... again.) and can be on the table 30 minutes after we get home.
We've had a lot of luck with Happy Herbivore and Everyday Happy Herbivore (we eat vegan) but I'm sure there are a lot of meat-based cookbooks that let you get the food plated in half an hour. You can meatize a recipe by swtiching chicken for tofu. allrecipes is a good choice.
This week we're having Pad Thai, tofu "crab cakes", a Red Lentil Dhal, Etheopian Stew, and a couple of others I don't remember.
Groceries for a family of four are running about $100 a week.
That's one of the reasons I gave up meat 12 years ago. The allowances for turning "animal" into "food" are so absurd and frankly disgusting that I went cold... uh... tofu?
That is an outdated thought process that lost all credibility before bell-bottoms did. Humans can synthesize all of our protein requirements as long as we get the basic amino acids. Tofu and quinoa are both complete proteins, and you'll find that most, if not all, vegetarians eat both of those. With a simple mix of rice, bread, and legumes (which you're eating as a vegetarian) you're going to get all your aminos. You don't have to plan it at all nor do you have to "blend" proteins to get them all in one meal. Just don't eat white rice every day, every meal and you'll be fine.
I eat a vegan diet and I'm in the best health of my life. I lead a very active lifestyle -- I bike to work, scuba dive, teach spin classes, and work out regularly. (I'm known as one of the tougher spin instructors.) I go to the doctor about once a year to get a checkup.
I get sick about once a year. It manifests as sniffles and goes away in about a week. Of course, that may be a factor of exercising regularly, having kids that went through daycare, being a Y member, and swimming in the ocean for fun.
That's one of the reasons I gave up meat 12 years ago. The allowances for turning "animal" into "food" are so absurd and frankly disgusting that I went cold... uh... tofu?
Yeah, I'd vote for the UN. It took them what, like two years to write a letter to Syria to ask them to stop murdering civilians? They still haven't sorted out Darfur. They'll stand idly by while thousands of people die of thirst EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
How long is it going to take to get consensus to write a letter to ask someone to please stop offending FSM / downloading something / critiquing some government? If I got one I'd frame it and keep it in my office.
Worst case, we can just group together and make up some sect of a religion that finds censorship obscene.
Actually, there's a little bit of funniness there. Gay marriage (or as we call it up in Canada, "marriage") has been legal for years and years. This has brought up a lot of gay couples as tourists with the plan to get married up here.
Anyway, our divorce laws require a 30 day residency requirement. So you can come up for the weekend, get married, spend your money up here on your honeymoon and everyone walks away a winner. If you want to get divorced then you've got to both stay here for a month.
I'd like to have: good social programs, financially responsible budgets, small government, pro-science, anti-corporate (but not anti-business), and a "consenting adults, not our problem" attitude.
I'd start with a few quick laws: 1. No elected member or their families can have secondary health coverage. 2. Any member who votes in a deficit budget cannot be re-elected. 3. No pensions beyond those provided to the public.
We've let the accountants run things way too long, it's time to bring humanity back.
Yeah, the other guys was being a dick. I'm a Secular Humanist and you can believe what you will. I don't think there's any problem with belief in both creationism and science, as long as you're willing to wonder exactly how God created the universe and not leave it at "because it's in the Bible, thats all I have to know."
I'm not worried. The last time any Gods showed up, we killed it -- nailed the fucking thing to a cross and let it bleed to death. This was during the Roman Empire when the highest technology was what, a slightly faster chariot? A Galleon with archers on deck?
It's 2012. We've got battleships, satellites, hypersonic jet aircraft, helicopter gunships, atomic weapons, and a grudge deeper than Mariana's Trench.
You want to destroy the Earth? Well, you'll have to get through us first.
Good for you. I've been a vegetarian for almost 12 years. It's tough at times, and sure, lots of meat meals are delicious, but so are so many veggie dishes. My health has never been better, my doctor is astonished that someone my age would have cholesterol levels so low. (And my iron is fine.)
If I could suggest two things to look up: Post-Punk Kitchen Happy Herbivore
Those have been great resources for veggie-based cooking.
Once you break out of the meat-starch-veggie North American plating mindset, you're golden.
So it depends on where you want to draw the line.... Of course, if you don't want ANY part in any animal death, you should know that pretty much everything you use has animal parts in it somewhere. Hell, tires are black because of carbon black sourced from charred animal carcasses.
I agree, that's a "processed" based vegan, and that's... that's pretty difficult. Steel, tires, a lot of products use animal bits. I get all my shots (vaccines are grown in animals most of the time), and I've spent a lot of time explaining why it's critical to use a beef-based lubricant for installing cable sealing blocks. I do get veggie-based cleaning products for my body, but I don't check the ingredients of the toilet bowl cleaners. I get that all manner of critters are killed by wheat combines, but I still enjoy cake and bread.
I guess I draw the line at ingestion of ingredients, not processes. I'll eat sugar and honey.
Now here's another interesting philosophical question. I eat a vegan diet for health reasons, mostly to do with the quality of food and how it goes from "animal" to "edible".
Is test-tube meat something that I would eat? What about an ethical vegan? (They don't want animals to suffer.)
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I realize you're AC and will likely never see this, but don't forget to check out the recipes online. There are some great one on the Happy Herbivore website.
That's interesting that you'd say that.
Which nutrients and macronutrients do you suggest that we are missing? Iron's readily available from plant sources. Every amino acid is available from grains and legumes. (Tofu and quinoa have them all.) Vitamins? Not really a problem with a plant-based diet.
Now, my kids are in the 99th percentile for height and in the advanced classes -- clear signs of terrible health. My daughter's in grade 2. She regularly gets perfect on the grade 5 spelling tests.
Sure, you can see their muscles a little -- it makes it hard to buy pants for them when the manufacturers are expecting kids that tall to weigh an extra 20-30 pounds. Shoes too, they don't make them for skinny kids. That's probably because we're not seeing the side effects of long-term antibiotics in our diet.
I generally eat about 3000 calories a day; I lead a very active lifestyle outside of sitting down in the cube for the workday.
Didn't we talk about this earlier?
Can you Trust Chinese Computer Equipment?
Oh yeah, we did...
It's actually pretty slick. They've spent all the money on bombs and ships and tanks and shit. Who's going to come collecting when:
a) they're way bigger than you
b) there's no higher authority to ask for help.
c) they just don't feel like paying
Notwithstanding that 70% of the US debt is internal.
Nope, it's probably about the same cost as omnivore. We don't buy meat, obviously, but we make that up with tofus, odd flours, and lots more fruits and veggies. Tofu is about $3 a pound, but it's all "lean", and that subs in for all kinds of meats. There's a yummy recipe for bourbon chicken that we use regularly, and we just sub in a brick of tofu for the chicken. Soy milk is one of the bigger cost increases -- a 2L container is about $5 vs. about $2 for cow, and we go through 4 of those a week. (There aren't bigger jugs or we'd get those.)
But then, if we want to make "crab" cakes, it's just made from tofu so it's not $12 a pound for crab / wait for a sale. On the other hand, if I did eat seafood I'd have my SW licence so I could just go pick up crabs when I go diving. Last night dive, we encountered a foot-diameter Puget Sound crab (not including legs) and we played with her for a while. Strong fucker, literally holding on for dear life against the rocks. Anyway, that would have been dinner for free. ($3000 worth of diving gear, training, and air notwithstanding.)
If you want an even easier and faster bread recipe and you have a can of beer:
Beer bread:
3C self-rising flour*
1 can (355mL) beer
3T sugar
*or 3 c flour, 3T baking powder, 3t salt
Mix. Put in pan or in a ball. Put in 350F oven for 45 minutes.
No rising time. Just bread.
Right, my wife and I working full time have NO IDEA of how to cook.
Really, are you trolling or just the dumbest person alive?
My wife and I cook dinner every night and everyone gets leftovers the next day.
We've got a collection of recipes that kids like (i.e. the little fuckers will actually EAT it) that doesn't take fifty ingredients (i.e. Where TF do you buy saffron-infused avocado oil?) that won't bore the adults (i.e. No. We are not having pasta with tomato soup... again.) and can be on the table 30 minutes after we get home.
We've had a lot of luck with Happy Herbivore and Everyday Happy Herbivore (we eat vegan) but I'm sure there are a lot of meat-based cookbooks that let you get the food plated in half an hour. You can meatize a recipe by swtiching chicken for tofu. allrecipes is a good choice.
This week we're having Pad Thai, tofu "crab cakes", a Red Lentil Dhal, Etheopian Stew, and a couple of others I don't remember.
Groceries for a family of four are running about $100 a week.
That's right, because Twinkies are made with beef tallow. ;)
But yes, you are correct, that a large portion of why I'm healthy is because I am pretty careful about what I eat and I exercise all the time.
That's one of the reasons I gave up meat 12 years ago. The allowances for turning "animal" into "food" are so absurd and frankly disgusting that I went cold ... uh... tofu?
Tofurky.
niiiice
That is an outdated thought process that lost all credibility before bell-bottoms did. Humans can synthesize all of our protein requirements as long as we get the basic amino acids. Tofu and quinoa are both complete proteins, and you'll find that most, if not all, vegetarians eat both of those. With a simple mix of rice, bread, and legumes (which you're eating as a vegetarian) you're going to get all your aminos. You don't have to plan it at all nor do you have to "blend" proteins to get them all in one meal. Just don't eat white rice every day, every meal and you'll be fine.
I eat a vegan diet and I'm in the best health of my life. I lead a very active lifestyle -- I bike to work, scuba dive, teach spin classes, and work out regularly. (I'm known as one of the tougher spin instructors.) I go to the doctor about once a year to get a checkup.
I get sick about once a year. It manifests as sniffles and goes away in about a week. Of course, that may be a factor of exercising regularly, having kids that went through daycare, being a Y member, and swimming in the ocean for fun.
That's one of the reasons I gave up meat 12 years ago. The allowances for turning "animal" into "food" are so absurd and frankly disgusting that I went cold ... uh... tofu?
Why not just block everything and only allow what's whitelisted? Examples to include in the whitelist are Corporations...
My corporation makes automatic koran burners.
(NATO is a huge customer.)
That's what I keep wondering.
I think Greece is just trolling the EU at this point. "Can we have some more money?"
"Will you pay it back THIS time?"
"... yyyeees."
"Okay, here's a cheque for a couple billion."
Later:
"WHY ARE YOU JUST LYING ON THE BEACH?!?"
"We were a superpower 2500 years ago. Shit job. Have fun with it."
Yeah, I'd vote for the UN. It took them what, like two years to write a letter to Syria to ask them to stop murdering civilians? They still haven't sorted out Darfur. They'll stand idly by while thousands of people die of thirst EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.
How long is it going to take to get consensus to write a letter to ask someone to please stop offending FSM / downloading something / critiquing some government? If I got one I'd frame it and keep it in my office.
Worst case, we can just group together and make up some sect of a religion that finds censorship obscene.
Actually, there's a little bit of funniness there. Gay marriage (or as we call it up in Canada, "marriage") has been legal for years and years. This has brought up a lot of gay couples as tourists with the plan to get married up here.
Anyway, our divorce laws require a 30 day residency requirement. So you can come up for the weekend, get married, spend your money up here on your honeymoon and everyone walks away a winner. If you want to get divorced then you've got to both stay here for a month.
Awkward.
We should start one.
I'd like to have:
good social programs,
financially responsible budgets,
small government,
pro-science,
anti-corporate (but not anti-business),
and a "consenting adults, not our problem" attitude.
I'd start with a few quick laws:
1. No elected member or their families can have secondary health coverage.
2. Any member who votes in a deficit budget cannot be re-elected.
3. No pensions beyond those provided to the public.
We've let the accountants run things way too long, it's time to bring humanity back.
Yeah, the other guys was being a dick. I'm a Secular Humanist and you can believe what you will. I don't think there's any problem with belief in both creationism and science, as long as you're willing to wonder exactly how God created the universe and not leave it at "because it's in the Bible, thats all I have to know."
Call it the search for God's tools if you will.
I'm not worried. The last time any Gods showed up, we killed it -- nailed the fucking thing to a cross and let it bleed to death. This was during the Roman Empire when the highest technology was what, a slightly faster chariot? A Galleon with archers on deck?
It's 2012. We've got battleships, satellites, hypersonic jet aircraft, helicopter gunships, atomic weapons, and a grudge deeper than Mariana's Trench.
You want to destroy the Earth? Well, you'll have to get through us first.
You really have to practice before the Zombpocalpyse dude.
Good for you. I've been a vegetarian for almost 12 years. It's tough at times, and sure, lots of meat meals are delicious, but so are so many veggie dishes. My health has never been better, my doctor is astonished that someone my age would have cholesterol levels so low. (And my iron is fine.)
If I could suggest two things to look up:
Post-Punk Kitchen
Happy Herbivore
Those have been great resources for veggie-based cooking.
Once you break out of the meat-starch-veggie North American plating mindset, you're golden.
You are not alone.
So it depends on where you want to draw the line. ... Of course, if you don't want ANY part in any animal death, you should know that pretty much everything you use has animal parts in it somewhere. Hell, tires are black because of carbon black sourced from charred animal carcasses.
I agree, that's a "processed" based vegan, and that's... that's pretty difficult. Steel, tires, a lot of products use animal bits. I get all my shots (vaccines are grown in animals most of the time), and I've spent a lot of time explaining why it's critical to use a beef-based lubricant for installing cable sealing blocks. I do get veggie-based cleaning products for my body, but I don't check the ingredients of the toilet bowl cleaners. I get that all manner of critters are killed by wheat combines, but I still enjoy cake and bread.
I guess I draw the line at ingestion of ingredients, not processes. I'll eat sugar and honey.
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My work's IT department seems to think so.
Now here's another interesting philosophical question. I eat a vegan diet for health reasons, mostly to do with the quality of food and how it goes from "animal" to "edible".
Is test-tube meat something that I would eat? What about an ethical vegan? (They don't want animals to suffer.)