Im currently in the process of moving my private network to Linux. The only real experince i have with unixes, is Ive used it a bit in my job as a programmer(i just quit my job, to complete my Bachlor in comp. Science(will take a while, ive only got the first two semesters, which ive got through another Danish comp. education)), but it was mostly Java work. Hence i coded a server on the system, not really digging into anything really OS related issues(the only REAL hands on expirence I got from it, was setting up java+tomcat on a unixbox). And on my personal network, Ive just completet setting(/reading:o) up the network related stuff. So i ping the world, u know. And Ive really havent gotten to study the X architecture yet. So, I have a question...
Is all windowmanagers compatible through X or what? The main reason im shifting to 100% *nix enviroment is that I really dig the though of software being open(and FREE). And I would like to get involved in some OpenSource project down the road, but will one have to port a GUI between n different windowhandlers?
I would like to think that you just use some sort of std. X interface, that all the windowhandlers can implement. But i also know that Gnome uses all sorts of custom stuff, glib or something right?
IBM should help maturing Linux then..
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You contantly hear about IBM throwing money/man hours into Linux, well, why dont they assign a couple of their AIX gurus to rewrite (for example) the multitreading features for Linux.
I mean, they have AIX coders. They have the AIX code, just HOW hard would it be for them to raise certain features of Linux to AIX standard. Im guessing not THAT hard:O)
The "truform" feature in LW is called Metaform :o)
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From toms: "The catch of "Truform" however is that it has the ability to make 3D-objects look much more realistic while carrying the risk of creating artifacts (not every flat surface wants to be curved)."
I really think that ATI should dig into this problem, since it shouldnt be too hard to solve.
Seriusly, NEWTEK have implemented this feature in Lightwave 3D since v. 4.0 or something (4.0, think AMIGA software, thats how old). And it works like a charm, as long as the polygons are flat(imagine a poly with points at 1.0.0 , 0.1.0 and -1.0.0 , this is flat. If you modified it to: 1.0.-1, 0.1.0 and -1.0.1 , it would be VERY bend out of shape, and wouldnt meta-truform very well.o)
If TOM have found artifacts, its likely that some vertex shader is to blaime. Which, easily could screw up the flatness of the polygon.
SLAP THAT VERTEX SHADER, Truform is a great idea for gaming (think facial animatiom, morphing and more lifelike models in general)
"game developers will have to choose which Pixel Shader to support in their code. If they want to support both NVidia's GeForce3 and the upcoming ATI board (which will probably be called the Radeon 2), they'll have to write more code."
DOOOOOOOH, THAT JUST COMPLETE C-R-A-P...
If one chooses DX8.1, the GeForce3 will just not have hardware support for pixelshaders anymore.
And DX will automatically implement this through software instead, this is the way DX ALLWAYS have worked(doing stuff thats not supported in 3DHardware on the main CPU).
MAny people will use the shaders, without ANY HW support. I for example, use a Geforce-2 to play MaxPayne, which works great. Even the PShaders, and thats without ANY support for PShaders. My nifthy ATHLON 1000 does em for me.
But Offcource, some will could argue that the Geforce-3 is so important that it would be smarter to use 8.0 over 8.1 , so the GF3 would still have HW support for the PShaders. But Seriusly, thats like saying DX8 is the last DX. Meaning, newer cards will offcource support the newest version of DX(8.1?:o).
Ballew from Nvidia also seems to be "reaching" a bit, and i quote from the article: "They're claiming that six textures is better. It'll only be better if it's faster."
It would be extremely naive of Ballew to belive(/hope?) that ATI are such fools of creating DSP that they would be around tre times less effecient, thats like saying. "We are the only ones who can do math".
Aaaand one last Ballew quote: "It's hard to battle a paper spec"
Yes indeed, thats what ATI and Nintedo has been shouting out VERY loud in the games industri the last months. About a certain (NVIDIA) powered XBOX (125M+ lit-polygons? YEEEAH RIGHT!!)
PS. A newer (hence Radion2) SHOULD be better/smarter/more-hitech that a older (hence Geforce3) chip.
PPS: Nvidia rocks, but i just hate it when CERTAN companies acts like the "OWN" a industry, maybe NVIDIA should stop working so close with M$. It seems like they are in danger of letting it get to their heads:o)
Here in Denmark, for ages now, production companies has placed their "assembly crews" in countries like Poland and the baltic contries. Because of the lowered cost in doing so, this has been the default for alot of european companies. Outsource the simple bulk assembly to contries with lower average pay.
But lately the trend is breaking (keep in mind this is a completly natural thing, and european companies has used the cheap eastern market of workers since the sixties), why? Quality..
Tests by some firms, has proven that in their cases. It actually is better buisniss to hire a educated guy from Denmark, because the they calculated that they would get 18% less RMA (defect goods returned from customers). That with the uneducated polak, which actually meaned that the firm moved production to denmark. And are sreaming out to the industry that this was a profitable move, i guess that this story could be applied to the story above to. Because whos producing more bugs? The professional BS. CS from NYU or the little indian dude who just tought him self to code?
Quote from the before mentioned GC vs. PS2 Article. "A lot of the first software that came out, because developers were either porting from Dreamcast or doing something really quick, has only used the base CPU because that's the easy thing to do".
There a guy who lives of creating games implies that ports are rushed, meaning that if a system is way more effective. Like the PS2 is over the DC, the PS2 developers just used the CPU and left the Emotionengine, and therefore the VU1+VU2 Vector units alone. This is not the way of creating ports that surpass the originals by far.
What I meant with the crasy comparisons of consoles, was that i asked for a example of a ported game. And i just meant that the consoles should be relatively equal in generation. So no examples of SNES to N64 ports(since a PS2-GC is relatively close in specs, the SNES/N64 are not).
And to support my statement of ports being close in apperence, heres a quote of the Crazy Taxi preview for GameCube at IGN:
The GameCube version of the game is expected to look just as good as the Dreamcast original, if not better".
Now, you could belive that the "if not better part", meant that the cars have 5000 extra polyfons and the game is really upgaded to fit the GC. I can only ask, when? When have this happend in the past? And but seriusly, how much differnce isthere between the PS2 and the DC versions? I have both maschines, and have played the games on both maschines. And this port, like most other Ive played are relatively alike, in fact, I have owned a: Megadrive(genesis in US?), SNES, SATURN, PSX, N64, DC and a PS2(soon to come a GameCube to). And Ive played quite a few "ports" through the years, and to my experince. VERY few of them, in my oppinion, are remarkably different. If you find this lame just give a example of a PORT then, and remember games like the Resident Evil and Toom Raider on the DC arent ports, they have been developed specifially for the DC.
And the ports being developed for the GameCube right now, are reported very alike to the originals(And if you check out the GameCube Phantasy Star Online shots, they differ VERY little from the DC version).
And on a closing note, Im just going to make one last comment. You write in your reply that: "Lastly, the PS2 and GAMECUBE are not very simular at all. One is a home entertainment system, while the other is a thoroughbred game system".
It seems like you think that the GameCube is a FAR more powerfull system than the PS2? Check out theGameCube Vs. PS2, they(IGN CUBE, BTW so you cant say they are biased or anything) compare the two consoles and interview Naugthy Dog and Bioware. Which have games in development on both consoles, one leaning to PS2 and one leaning to GC as the most powerfull. But youll get the picture, the maschines, AS gameconsoles, are VERY close in spec.
First, as written in the post im aware that alot of the PS2 killer apps are to be ported to XBOX(and the GameCube). But seriusly, if you think it will look "a hell of a lot better than the PS2 version" I think you are going to be dissapointed. Give me one examble of a title ported between "relatively" alike console (DC-PS2, Saturn - PS), where the port looked ALOT better than the original. I cant think of one, in most cases the canges are minor.
An example of this could be the playable version of Phantasy Star:Online SEGA had running on the GameCube at this years E3, it is almost idential to the DC version. Eventhough the GameCube is a MUCH more powerfull maschine than the DC, why? MONEY.. Theres more profit to be made just making a little "Special Edition" where they use the new filtering, largertextures, better AA but keep the models. This give the game a bit more polished look, but alot of people cant really spot the difference(or maybe they wont, I dont know. Like people claiming that DVD arent that mush suprior to VHS).
Secondly, im aware that Sony arent developing FF. I was just saying that it seems like great timing for Sony. And I still think it is.
Jep, all soda comes in glassbottles. So does beer, and people have a wierd tendensy to throw with the empty beer bottles after consuming around 10-12 of em
With Nintendo soon to release the GameCube, and M$ is about to released thier new boxedpc.. errh, XBOX. It seems like great timing by Sony, Final Fantasy is huge in japan, which should give them the edge over the GameCube this cristmas in Japan(where the XBOX probertly wont stand a chance). And for the more MS-biased US and EU, theyd just released the great A-Spec. And have Tony Hawk 3 and Metal Gear Solid up their sleves before cristmas, so MS(which probertly will be their greates compeditor in thiese markets) is facing a rough time. I know that alot of XBOX fans are scream by all the power of their lungs that "BOTH METAL GEAR AND TH3 ARE CONFIMED FOR XBOX!!???###!!". And yes they indeed are, but theyll both be ports of the PS2 version. So dont expect anything mindboggeling differnt than the PS2 version, and if MS is going to move XBOXes. They need to convince people its more powerfull than the PS2, porting PS2 games (and making the textures a little larger(hence more pretty)) wont do the trick.
Cause we are not even allowed to drink it here, since it comes in a can and have bubbles. For some strange reason canned sodas are forbidden in denmark, only juice can be sold in a can.
Im actually being serius!!:O)
AARRG.. Two noisy athlon coolers in my bedroom (or just room, actually), damn them for making such relative cheap speedy-musthave(though noisy)-stuff..
I think maybe my current fan is getting to my head, better go to bed.. But only to look forward to total insomnia iguess..
But ill wait for a keyboard with a LCD with touchscreen, so you could create/configure the layout youself. Imagine it, you could create a whole breed of keyboards. Some optimized for ect. EMACS or whatever.
Since space exploration is such a costy thing, I personally think that it would be an idea to merge the different space agencies. I know that they all work very closely together these days, with everybody chipping in for a sparkling new spacestation and all. But why dont everybody get involved in the mars mission? I know that there are scientists from all over the world helping out, but what about funding? I seriusly doubt that, for example, Denmark (where i live) have donated anything other than our magnet dude from the Niels Bohr institute. I think space exploration is a global interest, and having loads of realatively small agencies. is just plain stupid.
By the way, the americans was the first to plant a flag on the moon. Does that mean that the US can claim the moon?
Since I actually wash myself minimum once a day(if ive played soccer or skateboarded that that day, I would probertly do two:o) , a dust eating parasite would be alot more interesting. Then i wouldnt have to clean my appartment all the time.. Dust sucks...
PS. Get a girlfriend, she probertly wouldnt let you run around in the same pants all the time anyway..
They should have pulled the plug on the show when Mulder left, if the show is supposed to go on now with Scully leaving. Well, the show accomblished to morph into a "spinoff" of it self. Sad, very sad indeed. It just shows(like we didnt allready know that) that, that the producers worrie alot more about $$ that actually making a good show(i mean, it wouldve been way better for the XFILES storyline if they have stopped with Mulder. For me X-FILES without Mulder is like soda with out the carbondioxide(aka. some sort of juice, its just not the same thing!!)).
A modem is in the works, and SEGA is porting PS-Online. They had a playable at E3, it used a 4player splitscreen to make up for the missing modem. But Sega claims that the final version will indeed be online, like the DC counterpart.
But I also doubt that theyll allow Square publishing for the GameCube
And since SONY has sold around 10 million PS2 units(WITHOUT killer apps like GT3, FinalFantasy X(I), Metal Gear, etc), netscape could end up with a couple of new users.
The should do a special edition PS2
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The original PS came out in a special NETYAHOOZE edition, where the maschine could be coded through a PC(and then you could distribute the games on the internet). Im not much of an expert on the subject, and i dont even know if there ever was any freeware games actually available. But i know that the maschines where pretty different from the original grey PS. Besides being black it featured a port for connecting to the PC, im also pretty sure there was some other stuff to.
So where im going is, Sony should release a Special Edition PS2. Since they found the resources to do a special edition ps, they should actually be able to do so.
Imagine if the TV ouput is replaced by a VGA/DIGITAL out and their new HDD + broadband adaptor(aka. NIC) was build in. The maschine should obviously run some sort of linux:o)
NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL!!
PS. The maschine should include a engineers commentary track (*got it?*)
"You're going to listen to something I said? Haven't I made it abundantly clear during the tenure of our friendship that I don't know shit?
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Im currently in the process of moving my private network to Linux. The only real experince i have with unixes, is Ive used it a bit in my job as a programmer(i just quit my job, to complete my Bachlor in comp. Science(will take a while, ive only got the first two semesters, which ive got through another Danish comp. education)), but it was mostly Java work. Hence i coded a server on the system, not really digging into anything really OS related issues(the only REAL hands on expirence I got from it, was setting up java+tomcat on a unixbox). And on my personal network, Ive just completet setting(/reading :o) up the network related stuff. So i ping the world, u know. And Ive really havent gotten to study the X architecture yet. So, I have a question...
Is all windowmanagers compatible through X or what? The main reason im shifting to 100% *nix enviroment is that I really dig the though of software being open(and FREE). And I would like to get involved in some OpenSource project down the road, but will one have to port a GUI between n different windowhandlers?
I would like to think that you just use some sort of std. X interface, that all the windowhandlers can implement. But i also know that Gnome uses all sorts of custom stuff, glib or something right?
You contantly hear about IBM throwing money/man hours into Linux, well, why dont they assign a couple of their AIX gurus to rewrite (for example) the multitreading features for Linux.
:O)
I mean, they have AIX coders. They have the AIX code, just HOW hard would it be for them to raise certain features of Linux to AIX standard. Im guessing not THAT hard
Sorry, dudes..
From toms:
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"The catch of "Truform" however is that it has the ability to make 3D-objects look much more realistic while carrying the risk of creating artifacts (not every flat surface wants to be curved)."
I really think that ATI should dig into this problem, since it shouldnt be too hard to solve. Seriusly, NEWTEK have implemented this feature in Lightwave 3D since v. 4.0 or something (4.0, think AMIGA software, thats how old). And it works like a charm, as long as the polygons are flat(imagine a poly with points at 1.0.0 , 0.1.0 and -1.0.0 , this is flat. If you modified it to: 1.0.-1, 0.1.0 and -1.0.1 , it would be VERY bend out of shape, and wouldnt meta-truform very well
If TOM have found artifacts, its likely that some vertex shader is to blaime. Which, easily could screw up the flatness of the polygon.
SLAP THAT VERTEX SHADER, Truform is a great idea for gaming (think facial animatiom, morphing and more lifelike models in general)
Yes, you can code the Geforce3 "Pixelshaders" though a addon module u can get at www.opengl.org
This will ONLY work on Geforce-3 maschines though..
"game developers will have to choose which Pixel Shader to support in their code. If they want to support both NVidia's GeForce3 and the upcoming ATI board (which will probably be called the Radeon 2), they'll have to write more code."
:o).
:o)
DOOOOOOOH, THAT JUST COMPLETE C-R-A-P...
If one chooses DX8.1, the GeForce3 will just not have hardware support for pixelshaders anymore. And DX will automatically implement this through software instead, this is the way DX ALLWAYS have worked(doing stuff thats not supported in 3DHardware on the main CPU).
MAny people will use the shaders, without ANY HW support. I for example, use a Geforce-2 to play MaxPayne, which works great. Even the PShaders, and thats without ANY support for PShaders. My nifthy ATHLON 1000 does em for me.
But Offcource, some will could argue that the Geforce-3 is so important that it would be smarter to use 8.0 over 8.1 , so the GF3 would still have HW support for the PShaders. But Seriusly, thats like saying DX8 is the last DX. Meaning, newer cards will offcource support the newest version of DX(8.1?
Ballew from Nvidia also seems to be "reaching" a bit, and i quote from the article: "They're claiming that six textures is better. It'll only be better if it's faster."
It would be extremely naive of Ballew to belive(/hope?) that ATI are such fools of creating DSP that they would be around tre times less effecient, thats like saying. "We are the only ones who can do math".
Aaaand one last Ballew quote: "It's hard to battle a paper spec"
Yes indeed, thats what ATI and Nintedo has been shouting out VERY loud in the games industri the last months. About a certain (NVIDIA) powered XBOX (125M+ lit-polygons? YEEEAH RIGHT!!)
PS. A newer (hence Radion2) SHOULD be better/smarter/more-hitech that a older (hence Geforce3) chip.
PPS: Nvidia rocks, but i just hate it when CERTAN companies acts like the "OWN" a industry, maybe NVIDIA should stop working so close with M$. It seems like they are in danger of letting it get to their heads
Here in Denmark, for ages now, production companies has placed their "assembly crews" in countries like Poland and the baltic contries. Because of the lowered cost in doing so, this has been the default for alot of european companies. Outsource the simple bulk assembly to contries with lower average pay.
But lately the trend is breaking (keep in mind this is a completly natural thing, and european companies has used the cheap eastern market of workers since the sixties), why? Quality..
Tests by some firms, has proven that in their cases. It actually is better buisniss to hire a educated guy from Denmark, because the they calculated that they would get 18% less RMA (defect goods returned from customers). That with the uneducated polak, which actually meaned that the firm moved production to denmark. And are sreaming out to the industry that this was a profitable move, i guess that this story could be applied to the story above to. Because whos producing more bugs? The professional BS. CS from NYU or the little indian dude who just tought him self to code?
Quote from the before mentioned GC vs. PS2 Article. "A lot of the first software that came out, because developers were either porting from Dreamcast or doing something really quick, has only used the base CPU because that's the easy thing to do". There a guy who lives of creating games implies that ports are rushed, meaning that if a system is way more effective. Like the PS2 is over the DC, the PS2 developers just used the CPU and left the Emotionengine, and therefore the VU1+VU2 Vector units alone. This is not the way of creating ports that surpass the originals by far.
What I meant with the crasy comparisons of consoles, was that i asked for a example of a ported game. And i just meant that the consoles should be relatively equal in generation. So no examples of SNES to N64 ports(since a PS2-GC is relatively close in specs, the SNES/N64 are not). And to support my statement of ports being close in apperence, heres a quote of the Crazy Taxi preview for GameCube at IGN:
The GameCube version of the game is expected to look just as good as the Dreamcast original, if not better".
Now, you could belive that the "if not better part", meant that the cars have 5000 extra polyfons and the game is really upgaded to fit the GC. I can only ask, when? When have this happend in the past? And but seriusly, how much differnce isthere between the PS2 and the DC versions? I have both maschines, and have played the games on both maschines. And this port, like most other Ive played are relatively alike, in fact, I have owned a: Megadrive(genesis in US?), SNES, SATURN, PSX, N64, DC and a PS2(soon to come a GameCube to). And Ive played quite a few "ports" through the years, and to my experince. VERY few of them, in my oppinion, are remarkably different. If you find this lame just give a example of a PORT then, and remember games like the Resident Evil and Toom Raider on the DC arent ports, they have been developed specifially for the DC.
And the ports being developed for the GameCube right now, are reported very alike to the originals(And if you check out the GameCube Phantasy Star Online shots, they differ VERY little from the DC version).
And on a closing note, Im just going to make one last comment. You write in your reply that: "Lastly, the PS2 and GAMECUBE are not very simular at all. One is a home entertainment system, while the other is a thoroughbred game system".
It seems like you think that the GameCube is a FAR more powerfull system than the PS2? Check out theGameCube Vs. PS2, they(IGN CUBE, BTW so you cant say they are biased or anything) compare the two consoles and interview Naugthy Dog and Bioware. Which have games in development on both consoles, one leaning to PS2 and one leaning to GC as the most powerfull. But youll get the picture, the maschines, AS gameconsoles, are VERY close in spec.
First, as written in the post im aware that alot of the PS2 killer apps are to be ported to XBOX(and the GameCube). But seriusly, if you think it will look "a hell of a lot better than the PS2 version" I think you are going to be dissapointed. Give me one examble of a title ported between "relatively" alike console (DC-PS2, Saturn - PS), where the port looked ALOT better than the original. I cant think of one, in most cases the canges are minor.
An example of this could be the playable version of Phantasy Star:Online SEGA had running on the GameCube at this years E3, it is almost idential to the DC version. Eventhough the GameCube is a MUCH more powerfull maschine than the DC, why? MONEY.. Theres more profit to be made just making a little "Special Edition" where they use the new filtering, largertextures, better AA but keep the models. This give the game a bit more polished look, but alot of people cant really spot the difference(or maybe they wont, I dont know. Like people claiming that DVD arent that mush suprior to VHS).
Secondly, im aware that Sony arent developing FF. I was just saying that it seems like great timing for Sony. And I still think it is.
Jep, all soda comes in glassbottles. So does beer, and people have a wierd tendensy to throw with the empty beer bottles after consuming around 10-12 of em
With Nintendo soon to release the GameCube, and M$ is about to released thier new boxedpc.. errh, XBOX. It seems like great timing by Sony, Final Fantasy is huge in japan, which should give them the edge over the GameCube this cristmas in Japan(where the XBOX probertly wont stand a chance). And for the more MS-biased US and EU, theyd just released the great A-Spec. And have Tony Hawk 3 and Metal Gear Solid up their sleves before cristmas, so MS(which probertly will be their greates compeditor in thiese markets) is facing a rough time. I know that alot of XBOX fans are scream by all the power of their lungs that "BOTH METAL GEAR AND TH3 ARE CONFIMED FOR XBOX!!???###!!". And yes they indeed are, but theyll both be ports of the PS2 version. So dont expect anything mindboggeling differnt than the PS2 version, and if MS is going to move XBOXes. They need to convince people its more powerfull than the PS2, porting PS2 games (and making the textures a little larger(hence more pretty)) wont do the trick.
Cause we are not even allowed to drink it here, since it comes in a can and have bubbles. For some strange reason canned sodas are forbidden in denmark, only juice can be sold in a can. :O)
Im actually being serius!!
thanks dude
AARRG.. Two noisy athlon coolers in my bedroom (or just room, actually), damn them for making such relative cheap speedy-musthave(though noisy)-stuff..
I think maybe my current fan is getting to my head, better go to bed.. But only to look forward to total insomnia iguess..
But ill wait for a keyboard with a LCD with touchscreen, so you could create/configure the layout youself. Imagine it, you could create a whole breed of keyboards. Some optimized for ect. EMACS or whatever.
Since space exploration is such a costy thing, I personally think that it would be an idea to merge the different space agencies. I know that they all work very closely together these days, with everybody chipping in for a sparkling new spacestation and all. But why dont everybody get involved in the mars mission? I know that there are scientists from all over the world helping out, but what about funding? I seriusly doubt that, for example, Denmark (where i live) have donated anything other than our magnet dude from the Niels Bohr institute. I think space exploration is a global interest, and having loads of realatively small agencies. is just plain stupid.
By the way, the americans was the first to plant a flag on the moon. Does that mean that the US can claim the moon?
Since I actually wash myself minimum once a day(if ive played soccer or skateboarded that that day, I would probertly do two :o) , a dust eating parasite would be alot more interesting. Then i wouldnt have to clean my appartment all the time.. Dust sucks...
PS. Get a girlfriend, she probertly wouldnt let you run around in the same pants all the time anyway..
They should have pulled the plug on the show when Mulder left, if the show is supposed to go on now with Scully leaving. Well, the show accomblished to morph into a "spinoff" of it self. Sad, very sad indeed. It just shows(like we didnt allready know that) that, that the producers worrie alot more about $$ that actually making a good show(i mean, it wouldve been way better for the XFILES storyline if they have stopped with Mulder. For me X-FILES without Mulder is like soda with out the carbondioxide(aka. some sort of juice, its just not the same thing!!)).
A modem is in the works, and SEGA is porting PS-Online. They had a playable at E3, it used a 4player splitscreen to make up for the missing modem. But Sega claims that the final version will indeed be online, like the DC counterpart. But I also doubt that theyll allow Square publishing for the GameCube
Well , I need to watch the budget. The AMD chips help out in doing so :o)
Is a lownoise 300w powersupply + fan to use with a Athlon thunderbird, and were rolling..
And since SONY has sold around 10 million PS2 units(WITHOUT killer apps like GT3, FinalFantasy X(I), Metal Gear, etc), netscape could end up with a couple of new users.
The original PS came out in a special NETYAHOOZE edition, where the maschine could be coded through a PC(and then you could distribute the games on the internet). Im not much of an expert on the subject, and i dont even know if there ever was any freeware games actually available. But i know that the maschines where pretty different from the original grey PS. Besides being black it featured a port for connecting to the PC, im also pretty sure there was some other stuff to.
:o)
So where im going is, Sony should release a Special Edition PS2. Since they found the resources to do a special edition ps, they should actually be able to do so.
Imagine if the TV ouput is replaced by a VGA/DIGITAL out and their new HDD + broadband adaptor(aka. NIC) was build in. The maschine should obviously run some sort of linux
NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL!!
PS. The maschine should include a engineers commentary track (*got it?*)
"You're going to listen to something I said? Haven't I made it abundantly clear during the tenure of our friendship that I don't know shit? "
Will Parrot maybe implement functions for array slicing? etc. array2@ = array@(1...3)(2..4) , that would be kinda cool .o)