But the question is, is this toy language more approachable?
Drawing a pie chart in Wolfram from what I've seen is bordering on trivial -- and I don't meant that in a bad way.
It seems like the kinds of things he's solved with his language have much more immediacy in terms of things kids are already learning.
If I do X, Y happens. The link between cause and effect is stronger.. and quite frankly, more understandable than understanding why you'd want to print "Hello World" in the first place.
Are you suggesting Wolfram is less suited to teaching logic and reasoning skills? I'm not so sure of that.
Draw a pie chart, observe the pie chart. Now, create me a pie chart which looks like this.
From the very small amount I've seen of it, you can definitely teach all of those things as long as the kids understand the concept -- and you might be able to introduce some concepts better using it if you know how.
Not so long ago, a story came up on Slashdot about learning the Wolfram language (left as an exercise to the reader to locate).
As I recall, very quickly there were concrete things as a result of relatively easy things... graphing or plotting or somesuch. And it went quick from there in terms of being able to do things people could relate to, because it's the same kinds of things they kids would learn in school.
So, I guess contrast this to the old fashioned languages we used to learn on like Logo... ok, I can draw a line. I have always wanted to draw a line. How awesome, a line. (Don't get me wrong, Logo was my first programming, and it was cool.)
Wolfram seems like he's got a much more "results oriented" language for doing fairly practical things, and that it will be easier to see the immediacy of the pieces as it relates to something you grasp.
I wouldn't discount him out of hand when he says this. His stuff is far less abstract, and far more concrete in terms of the kinds of things you do.
No, and nor are we some enlightened animal so far removed from barbarism that it's unthinkable.
What people fail to understand is this kind of stuff has always been with humanity, and 'civilization' is a relatively new and thin veneer over humanity.
Why people think this was an invention which came much later is beyond me, we started as animals, and in all the important ways, we still are animals.
But then people act all surprised and think war and violence was a modern invention... our limbic system says we directly evolved from things with not much more advanced impulses than a lizard... eat, survive, fuck.
It's an intrinsic property, and when push comes to shove, we'll revert back to it pretty quickly. Having higher brain functions doesn't mean those other things have gone away.
Maybe he did, and maybe it wasn't something he thought as entirely unusual?
I remember reading Dragon magazine and going to the stores with the little lead figurines to paint... this stuff was self-referential and constantly incorporating things from one another.
Cartoons pulled in things from multiple sources.
I sure as heck wasn't aware of all of it, but it seemed like at the time it was more of a fan-driven "hey isn't this cool" kind of thing, and the cross-pollination was kind of expected.
And then it became greedy bastards like Wizards of the Coast who tried to decree like they'd invented the whole damned thing in a vacuum, when nothing could be further from the truth.
These things were still being iterated and adapted.
Acting like these things sprang into existence without the stuff around them is idiotic, unless of course you're a lawyer arguing copyright for someone who just bought something someone else built.
Making it sound like Gygax ripped someone off is probably a little unfair to what actually happened.
The Linux Foundation, though it's straightforwardly not a grassroots organization along the lines of the FSF or EFF, has long had a degree of non-corporate involvement by way of community-elected members on its board.
Wait, so the Linux foundation is now entirely corporate dominated?
No, because the people advocating for backdoors still magically think only they can use the backdoors, and don't understand the reality that a backdoor is open to anybody who knows about it.
Don't ever expect those people to understand how their wishes diverge from reality.
On occasion I've sat with someone as we've worked through a complex thing and a second set of eyes was useful, and it wasn't terrible. I've definitely done code reviews, and it can contribute to better code.
But 9 years doing pair programming? Good lord, my first though is "you're doing it wrong".
If I wanted to spend 9 damned years helping a junior anybody build their confidence and skillset in anything... I'd have gone into teaching.
This just seems like you get half productivity all of the time, instead of two people pushing out code on different things, and then reviewing/debugging it later.
Do we ever see "pair accounting" or "pair plumbing"? To do this all the time seems wasteful, and ridiculous. Nine years of it seems like madness.
Sure, and ISIS will stone you for adultery. I don't respect their authority either. See, your religion doesn't confer an obligation on me.
I'm not defending adultery... do it and deal with it if you get caught. Not my damned problem. I've never done it, but I'm not such an ass as to believe I have the right to make it a crime.
But calling it fraud as a fucking crime? Yeah, go beat your wife with a rod no bigger than your thumb. Force your daughter to marry her rapist.
So, I'll tell you what... if you personally promise to go kill the next pastor who gets caught dipping his wick, or the next senator using his "wide stance" in an airport bathroom to get a little slap and tickle, great.
But don't pretend like your moral outrage, or the moral outage of all of the other hypocrites has anything to do with law.
Reality isn't defined by your fucking religious beliefs. And ideally, neither are laws. That's why the US has a separation of church and state.
I consider having the world adhere to what asshole Christians say to be as abhorrent as adhering to what asshole Muslims have to say. It's allowing someone to dictate what you can do based on their approval.
The "progressives" don't hate the family unit, they just refuse to let assholes define it.
So, unless you think it would be okay to impose Sharia law on you, don't fucking pretend that the crap in your magic little book you think was written by your imaginary friend should be imposed on everyone else.
If you do, you're just another fucking religious hypocrite.
You're just some nut on a corner screeching about idolaters and fornicators. Don't expect me to give a crap.
This is one of the few cases where I don't support the activities of any party involved; the hackers for what they did, the website for providing/promoting such blatant infidelity, nor the people who use the site.
Meh, people have been screwing around on one another for as long as they've had one another.
Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists. Wah wah wah, people have affairs and they'e evil people.. such moralizing bullshit. Neither Ashley Madison nor the people using the site broke any laws.
And I've long since stopped thinking the opinion of a bunch of hand-wringing church ladies is of any consequence. It's just people acting like they have authority over what others do. People who think infidelity will stop due to their own loud self-righteousness... well, just as often those assholes find themselves getting caught doing the same fucking thing.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, otherwise shut the fuck up. It's disgusting that you feel your opinion about what people you don't know is worth a damn, or that it has anything to do with you.
Oh, wait, is your entire morality based on retribution against strangers because you feel they deserve it? That's not a fucking morality, that's being a self-righteous ass.
What next, wanting us stoned for idolatry? Go stone yourself.
Ah, but business models are magical things, comprised of wishful thinking and unicorn farts. They make the world go around, without business models we'd all be stuck to live in dismal reality.
When Brave is ready, it'll replace the missing content with its own ads, splitting the revenue between itself (15 percent), publishers (55 percent), ad suppliers (15 percent) and even you, the user (10 to 15 percent). Eich sees it as an attempt to "chlorinate the pool" for ads, starting from scratch to build a better business model that respects web surfers. The Brave spots will be based on tags from your browsing history, although you can change or remove those tags if you're worried.
So, you may get a little kickback as incentive, but I suspect it's only if you click and buy.
They go all scorched earth on other ad companies, and you opt in to a new set of ads. Their revenue comes from blocking someone else's ads, and undercutting them to sell that ad space to someone else, and claiming to protect your privacy
Your billboard analogy is kinda close... it's more like using VR goggles to make you see different ads. The original billboard is still there for others to see.
But, and this is key, I'm not required to see your ads, and your copyright doesn't include the ads. You can't force me to see your ads.
As far as tracking hits from the browser? Wow, so you build a browser which spoofs its user agent, or randomly picks one. They'll never solve that problem.
I'm not sure who the target is here. People like me, who are gonna block the hell out of your ads and never see them... we're not going to sign up for a new set of ads. People who aren't blocking ads... well, they're not blocking ads.
This is an opt-in, ad-affiliate program, which loosely promises to protect your privacy and give you a kick back from ads... so you get a few shekels to see ads (or possibly only if you click and purchase), and someone gets your analytics data, which they'll abuse and sell anyway. You know they will, it will be right there in the EULA anyway.
Frankly, I don't see the value here... rich asshole comes up with business model to take someone else's product (Google), use it to rip off someone else's revenue stream (the sites in question), and use it to skim off the top for his own enrichment, and warps up the whole thing like some noble crusade to protect privacy and clean up the state of advertising -- right up until he stops caring and serving up the same ads with the same malware.
A real Robin Hood.
Sorry, I'll stick with the privacy extensions I have in Chrome now. I know what I've told them to do.
Yeah, or sooner or later people will figure out Nielson hasn't got accurate data, hasn't in decades, and other than a feel good number they don't really have a product.
Nielson can't measure Netflix, and Netflix laughs at them when they say they can.
It is envisioned that the system will include knowing whether they are in lectures, at the gym or in the bar, and in an effort to boost their results, students may also want to share data on their fitness, sleeping patterns, and their academic and semi-academic interactions online
Why the hell would people want this shit?
Is this just to get people used to living in a surveillance society?
How about none of your fucking business? This constant sharing of every aspect of your life is idiotic.
You're in school to learn, in part, who the hell you are. This shit is getting ridiculous.
The world doesn't need analytics of every goddamned thing you do. And one of these days all these people who have plugged everything into their smart phone will realize just what they've really been giving away.
Yeah, get off my damned lawn. I don't want any of your tracking doodads. This shit sounds like a terrible idea to me.
Sadly, business schools are full of morons with no real fucking understanding of the businesses they claim to know how to run.
An MBA used to be an engineer who went back to school to learn to be a manager.
Someone who get a business degree and then an MBA? They're a useless idiot, with no real world understanding, and the mistaken belief they know how to run things.
I've met a few of those... and they definitely fall into the category of if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
How people got hoodwinked into believing these idiots on anything defies any rational explanation.
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But the question is, is this toy language more approachable?
Drawing a pie chart in Wolfram from what I've seen is bordering on trivial -- and I don't meant that in a bad way.
It seems like the kinds of things he's solved with his language have much more immediacy in terms of things kids are already learning.
If I do X, Y happens. The link between cause and effect is stronger .. and quite frankly, more understandable than understanding why you'd want to print "Hello World" in the first place.
Are you suggesting Wolfram is less suited to teaching logic and reasoning skills? I'm not so sure of that.
Draw a pie chart, observe the pie chart. Now, create me a pie chart which looks like this.
From the very small amount I've seen of it, you can definitely teach all of those things as long as the kids understand the concept -- and you might be able to introduce some concepts better using it if you know how.
Not so long ago, a story came up on Slashdot about learning the Wolfram language (left as an exercise to the reader to locate).
As I recall, very quickly there were concrete things as a result of relatively easy things ... graphing or plotting or somesuch. And it went quick from there in terms of being able to do things people could relate to, because it's the same kinds of things they kids would learn in school.
So, I guess contrast this to the old fashioned languages we used to learn on like Logo ... ok, I can draw a line. I have always wanted to draw a line. How awesome, a line. (Don't get me wrong, Logo was my first programming, and it was cool.)
Wolfram seems like he's got a much more "results oriented" language for doing fairly practical things, and that it will be easier to see the immediacy of the pieces as it relates to something you grasp.
I wouldn't discount him out of hand when he says this. His stuff is far less abstract, and far more concrete in terms of the kinds of things you do.
LOL .. and I have never claimed otherwise.
Sure thing, you keep telling yourself it's only California, and that these things are unique to them and their wacky ways.
And then look at how much the rest of America will happily bend over and take it as other governments do the same thing.
Blah blah blah ... I stand by my point ... land of the free is becoming a bad joke.
Land of the free? Home of the brave? How's that working out for you?
Oh, wait, is it brave to cower in the corner jumping at shadows in case the bogeyman comes along? I've lost track?
Now cue a bunch of people telling us how they're still free. Go ahead, I love a good laugh.
Papers please, comrade. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
No, and nor are we some enlightened animal so far removed from barbarism that it's unthinkable.
What people fail to understand is this kind of stuff has always been with humanity, and 'civilization' is a relatively new and thin veneer over humanity.
Why people think this was an invention which came much later is beyond me, we started as animals, and in all the important ways, we still are animals.
But then people act all surprised and think war and violence was a modern invention ... our limbic system says we directly evolved from things with not much more advanced impulses than a lizard ... eat, survive, fuck.
It's an intrinsic property, and when push comes to shove, we'll revert back to it pretty quickly. Having higher brain functions doesn't mean those other things have gone away.
Shhh ... the copyright cartel can't have that ... they need to retroactively say they invented it first and you stole it from them.
Otherwise the whole thing falls apart.
Maybe he did, and maybe it wasn't something he thought as entirely unusual?
I remember reading Dragon magazine and going to the stores with the little lead figurines to paint ... this stuff was self-referential and constantly incorporating things from one another.
Cartoons pulled in things from multiple sources.
I sure as heck wasn't aware of all of it, but it seemed like at the time it was more of a fan-driven "hey isn't this cool" kind of thing, and the cross-pollination was kind of expected.
And then it became greedy bastards like Wizards of the Coast who tried to decree like they'd invented the whole damned thing in a vacuum, when nothing could be further from the truth.
These things were still being iterated and adapted.
Acting like these things sprang into existence without the stuff around them is idiotic, unless of course you're a lawyer arguing copyright for someone who just bought something someone else built.
Making it sound like Gygax ripped someone off is probably a little unfair to what actually happened.
Wait, so the Linux foundation is now entirely corporate dominated?
How the hell is that even possible?
No, because the people advocating for backdoors still magically think only they can use the backdoors, and don't understand the reality that a backdoor is open to anybody who knows about it.
Don't ever expect those people to understand how their wishes diverge from reality.
There's no way in hell I could function in that close proximity to ANYBODY for 9 years. Not even my wife, and I kinda mostly like her.
I don't wish to spend my day with someone right up along side me.
My experience with it is 1-2 hours is the absolute upper bound, and then it's going to turn into two kids in the back seat of a car on a long ride.
What idiot thinks doing this all day every day would increase productivity?? That isn't a team mate, it's a fucking cell mate.
Nine freakin' years, the mind boggles.
On occasion I've sat with someone as we've worked through a complex thing and a second set of eyes was useful, and it wasn't terrible. I've definitely done code reviews, and it can contribute to better code.
But 9 years doing pair programming? Good lord, my first though is "you're doing it wrong".
If I wanted to spend 9 damned years helping a junior anybody build their confidence and skillset in anything ... I'd have gone into teaching.
This just seems like you get half productivity all of the time, instead of two people pushing out code on different things, and then reviewing/debugging it later.
Do we ever see "pair accounting" or "pair plumbing"? To do this all the time seems wasteful, and ridiculous. Nine years of it seems like madness.
Not true ... the biggest localized gravity well is down. Orbit is just falling and missing in a predictable manner. ;-)
Find the North Pole, east is on the right.
They'd fail utterly.
Remember that Star Trek episode where the robots kept saying "Norma, coordinate" up until Kirk and Spock made his brain explode? Picture that.
English is far too malleable and imprecise.
Think so?
Sure, and ISIS will stone you for adultery. I don't respect their authority either. See, your religion doesn't confer an obligation on me.
I'm not defending adultery ... do it and deal with it if you get caught. Not my damned problem. I've never done it, but I'm not such an ass as to believe I have the right to make it a crime.
But calling it fraud as a fucking crime? Yeah, go beat your wife with a rod no bigger than your thumb. Force your daughter to marry her rapist.
So, I'll tell you what ... if you personally promise to go kill the next pastor who gets caught dipping his wick, or the next senator using his "wide stance" in an airport bathroom to get a little slap and tickle, great.
But don't pretend like your moral outrage, or the moral outage of all of the other hypocrites has anything to do with law.
Reality isn't defined by your fucking religious beliefs. And ideally, neither are laws. That's why the US has a separation of church and state.
I consider having the world adhere to what asshole Christians say to be as abhorrent as adhering to what asshole Muslims have to say. It's allowing someone to dictate what you can do based on their approval.
The "progressives" don't hate the family unit, they just refuse to let assholes define it.
So, unless you think it would be okay to impose Sharia law on you, don't fucking pretend that the crap in your magic little book you think was written by your imaginary friend should be imposed on everyone else.
If you do, you're just another fucking religious hypocrite.
You're just some nut on a corner screeching about idolaters and fornicators. Don't expect me to give a crap.
Meh, people have been screwing around on one another for as long as they've had one another.
Putting aside the underlying puritanical bullshit, who broke the law here? Yes, that's right, the hackers and the extortionists. Wah wah wah, people have affairs and they'e evil people .. such moralizing bullshit. Neither Ashley Madison nor the people using the site broke any laws.
And I've long since stopped thinking the opinion of a bunch of hand-wringing church ladies is of any consequence. It's just people acting like they have authority over what others do. People who think infidelity will stop due to their own loud self-righteousness ... well, just as often those assholes find themselves getting caught doing the same fucking thing.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, otherwise shut the fuck up. It's disgusting that you feel your opinion about what people you don't know is worth a damn, or that it has anything to do with you.
Oh, wait, is your entire morality based on retribution against strangers because you feel they deserve it? That's not a fucking morality, that's being a self-righteous ass.
What next, wanting us stoned for idolatry? Go stone yourself.
No, dude, seriously, read closer ... he's going to block the ads already there, and then put in his own ads:
The ad newtwork can't track you because it doesn't serve ads to you.
And then he charges someone else to sell you ads.
The now mysteriously missing engadget link is the source of that quote.
Oh, do lets.
Because the business model is replacing existing ads with new ads under the guise of giving us less tracking and more security.
This is about creating his own ad network, and telling us it's for our benefit.
Ah, but business models are magical things, comprised of wishful thinking and unicorn farts. They make the world go around, without business models we'd all be stuck to live in dismal reality.
So, you may get a little kickback as incentive, but I suspect it's only if you click and buy.
They go all scorched earth on other ad companies, and you opt in to a new set of ads. Their revenue comes from blocking someone else's ads, and undercutting them to sell that ad space to someone else, and claiming to protect your privacy
Your billboard analogy is kinda close ... it's more like using VR goggles to make you see different ads. The original billboard is still there for others to see.
But, and this is key, I'm not required to see your ads, and your copyright doesn't include the ads. You can't force me to see your ads.
As far as tracking hits from the browser? Wow, so you build a browser which spoofs its user agent, or randomly picks one. They'll never solve that problem.
I'm not sure who the target is here. People like me, who are gonna block the hell out of your ads and never see them ... we're not going to sign up for a new set of ads. People who aren't blocking ads ... well, they're not blocking ads.
This is an opt-in, ad-affiliate program, which loosely promises to protect your privacy and give you a kick back from ads ... so you get a few shekels to see ads (or possibly only if you click and purchase), and someone gets your analytics data, which they'll abuse and sell anyway. You know they will, it will be right there in the EULA anyway.
Frankly, I don't see the value here ... rich asshole comes up with business model to take someone else's product (Google), use it to rip off someone else's revenue stream (the sites in question), and use it to skim off the top for his own enrichment, and warps up the whole thing like some noble crusade to protect privacy and clean up the state of advertising -- right up until he stops caring and serving up the same ads with the same malware.
A real Robin Hood.
Sorry, I'll stick with the privacy extensions I have in Chrome now. I know what I've told them to do.
Yeah, or sooner or later people will figure out Nielson hasn't got accurate data, hasn't in decades, and other than a feel good number they don't really have a product.
Nielson can't measure Netflix, and Netflix laughs at them when they say they can.
Why the hell would people want this shit?
Is this just to get people used to living in a surveillance society?
How about none of your fucking business? This constant sharing of every aspect of your life is idiotic.
You're in school to learn, in part, who the hell you are. This shit is getting ridiculous.
The world doesn't need analytics of every goddamned thing you do. And one of these days all these people who have plugged everything into their smart phone will realize just what they've really been giving away.
Yeah, get off my damned lawn. I don't want any of your tracking doodads. This shit sounds like a terrible idea to me.
I could not, would not, give you a stump.
I could not, would not, vote for Trump.
That hair, that hair, it just goes fwump.
Who the heck would vote that chump?
That Palin Chick,
did Donald Hump?
Are we just randomly rhyming stuff?
Sadly, business schools are full of morons with no real fucking understanding of the businesses they claim to know how to run.
An MBA used to be an engineer who went back to school to learn to be a manager.
Someone who get a business degree and then an MBA? They're a useless idiot, with no real world understanding, and the mistaken belief they know how to run things.
I've met a few of those ... and they definitely fall into the category of if you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
How people got hoodwinked into believing these idiots on anything defies any rational explanation.
Privacy enhancing from Facebook?
Oh, you mean they'll still spy the fuck out of you and rummage through your contacts, but they'll pretend to keep you safe from others?
Honestly, why use the app at all? Use your web browser and don't accept their snooping on your contacts and other shit.