not the same.lumber companys dont think they will sell more lumber if its advertised as 2x4 when its really 1.5x3.5 if 1.5x3.5 wasnt such a pain in the ass to say as well as write...we would all probably be calling them 1.5x3.5's its more because the general population is more comfortable with the shorter rounded off number. (not to mention that 2x4 at least HAS a meaning. that board was once 2x4. a hard drive didnt lose any bytes during proseesing.it never was what they say it is.its a blatent lie to get an edge in the market.
lumber companys dont refer to a 1.5 x 3.5 peice of lumber as a 2x4 for the sole purpose of more easily separating you from your money. there are many factors at work behind why a 2x4 doesnt measure 2 by 4. if some random lumber mill started putting ACTUAL 2x4s on the shelves at home depot, large ammounts of cha0s would ensue. not at all relevant to why HD misrepresent what a GB means to the average consumer.
I agree, however I've got a little modification that keeps the original quote intact and adds your sentiment.
Collecting data is only the first step toward wisdom. But sharing data is the first step toward community, and community is the first step toward truly groking that that is.
I saw the message, not that the little kid they used happened to be white.
I'd rather see the idea that other poster mentioned (show a bunch of geeks with glee in their eyes, each in a different country, and state "They are working on your future; for free. Linux: the future is open.") be implemented, that would give the right message. One of the geeks should be Linus himself, others could be e.g. Andrew Trigell, Brian Behlendorf, etc. and the names could be printed onscreen, to introduce each of them.
That wouldn't have the same meaning or symbolism.
Wouldnt have brought a tear to my eye.
Wouldnt have shown WHY they were working on our future;for free.
did you miss that Mr. Gates as well as Mr. ali are both black???
you were so worried they used a little white kid, you missed the message.
You are projecting your(possibly subconsious) racism upon all of us.
IMHO the message you want to project is crap.(no disrespect to linus, tridge et al)
People (including companies, since they are counted as "people" ine this sick ass world we live in) can and do change over time.
I used to do all kinds of fucked up stuff as a kid I wouldn't dream of doing today.
I bet you did too.
If tomarrow microsoft started being a part of the community, and released this same fucking ad but at the end it said "Microsoft" instead of "IBM" the meaning would still be the same.
The basic concepts still would have given me the feeling I get looking at some of these or reading a really good SF book, say by asimov or heinlein or explaning to my 4 year old how stars work.
just because something or someone is evil now doen't make them always and perpetually evil.
IMO microsoft is NOT beyond redemtion.
It would take a lot, but doable.
The only exception I can think of is SCO.
They crossed too far into the "dark side" =)
You missed the bus on that one. You are thinking of data as zeros and ones.
The "data" being refered to here is the collective knolege of the human race.
I think this simple phrase embodies the open source community as well as my own personal feelings. I LOVE learning. Just for the sake of learning. I love sharing what I've learned with my kids(and any other interested party) EVEN MORE.
NEVER before in my life has a fucking advertisment made me almost cry.
What's the point of research and experimentation if you dont share that wisdom with others and let them build upon it?
Where would the state of theoretical physics be had Copernicus, Newton, Einsten, Hawking etc.. just collected wisdom (I.E. "data") and not shared it with the world??
What state would linux be in today if linus was the only one with the source and the sole contributor?
The list goes on and on.
If you cant tell Im very cynical regarding people and corporations whose sole interest and motivation is the dollar.
Imagine an entire civilization whose primary motivation was the advancement and collection of the collective "wisdom" instead of $$. People trying to cure cancer and AIDS and hunger etc.. JUST to cure it. Not to make BILLIONS off the results should they be succsessfull.
This isn't about your fucking warez and copyright infringing mp3s and movies.
You may want to try the shoreline firewallif you want to learn to use an iptables firewall on linux.(or even if you dont, you can just use shorewall and never actually write your own custom scripts.)
add wondershaper and you can have a VERY decent firewall/traffic shaper knowing almost nothing of how it works.
If you have problems editing text files(such as shorewall uses for configuration) you can also use webmin for a point and click interface with most of the funtions.
YES!! you are correct SIR!!! you gotta take the long view here. we get spam anyway. If no one buys anything from it it will stop. period. eventually.How long? I dont know. I bet 6 SOLID months of ABSOLUTLY 0 sales resulting from a spam and BAM! no more spam. so now all we gotta do is wait for someone smarter than me to figure out exactly how to coordinate this......
I think more people than you think would pick "core" and end up with a usable gnome.
DISCLAIMER***HAVE NOT TRIED THIS HAVE NO IDEA***
probably even do a
apt-get install gnome-core gnome-common
worst case list em all.
thank god for tab filename completion
I taught the 78 year old dude next door how to run debian.
he can edit his sources.list
he can type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
he can make cron do that for him.
most grangmas cant figure out how to get vcr to stop blinking 12:00(mine cant)
but anyone with any intrest in computing rapidly learns linux if they know where and how to look
(having someone who knows more than you start ya off doesnt hurt though)
<offtopic> cant use vi cant use emacs is there a compelling reason to learn either or? I mean is there something I can do I cant do with nano grep awk cat sed...etc? other than shell scripts i do not (know how to yet)code. </offtopic>
I didn't know. now I do. now I won't get picked on by trivia obsessed zealots.(for that) but it is something I'd not have learned if not for trivia obsessed zealots on/. =)
knowing the difference between affect and effect is important. knowing the difference between there and thier is important. whowing what an important word in an important scene in an important play is...you guessed it important. dont shoot the messenger, just cause it makes him mad to see someone using a word incorrectly, he then posts about it and others learn something =)
to be a pedant, the problem WOULD be solved if EVERYONE hit the "D" key. therefore the assumtion is correct. it's the very few that buy the shit that keep it coming. I will say that therin lies the problem. some people are dumb enough to buy shit from a spam.
I live in utah also. NOT in happy vally though. never would. different wourld down there. would you feel better if he would have said the greater provo area? AND ON A SIDE RANT ITS FUCKWADS LIKE YOU!! that are turning utah into califlornia they named iceland iceland for a reason. just go with the flow. think of not defending utah your own little way to help with traffic. UTAH SUCKS DONT MOVE HERE!! lol
are you going to step up to the plate and become "our spokesman"??
ESR has his faults but he does "the community" a great service.
It seems to be nothing but writing diatribes and raking in the cash.
from what I've read and have seen, ESR cares not for chasing every last cent he can.
he belives in what he says. he will come speak to your LUG for free... he has some weird rules about it but he WILL do it. writing diatribes I'll give ya but thats what hes good at =)
A computer, while it can certainly can be put to anti-social use, is not a tool of violence. Even in the worst circumstances it's highly unlikely that anyone will be injured or killed as a result of using a computer in anger.
you will FOR SURE be killed or injured if i throw even a hard drive at yor head from my roof. to say nothing of an entire tower and/or 21 inch monitor.
and thats not even the worst circumstance i can think of. A gun, on the other hand, has no other purpose than violence.
no shooting ranges where you live? i regularly have fun with my firearms. all the while commiting no act of violence. (unless all the poor broken bottles count)
so by your logic the stupider a thing someone does the more we should reward them? because she is willing to destabilise a flimsy cup of near boiling liquid IN BETWEEN HER FUCKING LEGS while DRIVING!!! McD's is that much more at fault in your mind? I dont do that with cold liquids as i dont want to have a cold wet uncomfortable crotch, much less hot or near boiling stuff!!!
I agree the McD's had some resonsibility,however telling me about how auful the burns are reinforces my belief that it was a 20% 80% kind of thing but the other way around. I mean really. taking the lid OFF of a very hot paper/syro/plastic cup IN YOUR LAP is really close to a darwin nomination IMHO.
Heh, cards.You need to be a buisnessman.I would love to have some SCO playing cards. I have a question though...I cant abide with darl being "king" so with him on the joker who gets the king?
looks like buisiness as usual there, not very many cars in the lot but thats normal at 3:00 pm on saturday.no kewl "i left the country thanks for the $$$
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not the same.lumber companys dont think they will sell more lumber if its advertised as 2x4 when its really 1.5x3.5
if 1.5x3.5 wasnt such a pain in the ass to say as well as write...we would all probably be calling them 1.5x3.5's
its more because the general population is more comfortable with the shorter rounded off number.
(not to mention that 2x4 at least HAS a meaning.
that board was once 2x4.
a hard drive didnt lose any bytes during proseesing.it never was what they say it is.its a blatent lie to get an edge in the market.
lumber companys dont refer to a 1.5 x 3.5 peice of lumber as a 2x4 for the sole purpose of more easily separating you from your money.
there are many factors at work behind why a 2x4 doesnt measure 2 by 4.
if some random lumber mill started putting ACTUAL 2x4s on the shelves at home depot, large ammounts of cha0s would ensue.
not at all relevant to why HD misrepresent what a GB means to the average consumer.
If he indeed wrote 30 novels that I haven't read, Then I sure hope He does...
<pray>
please let there be 30 more heinlein novels
</pray>
Welcome to my friends list =)
.sig
I agree, however I've got a little modification that keeps the original quote intact and adds your sentiment.
Collecting data is only the first step toward wisdom. But sharing data is the first step toward community, and community is the first step toward truly groking that that is.
too bad thats too long for my
click here to see why you are a moron
HINT:look near the end, where the Rodin links are.
Nope.
I saw the message, not that the little kid they used happened to be white.
I'd rather see the idea that other poster mentioned (show a bunch of geeks with glee in their eyes, each in a different country, and state "They are working on your future; for free. Linux: the future is open.") be implemented, that would give the right message. One of the geeks should be Linus himself, others could be e.g. Andrew Trigell, Brian Behlendorf, etc. and the names could be printed onscreen, to introduce each of them.
That wouldn't have the same meaning or symbolism.
Wouldnt have brought a tear to my eye.
Wouldnt have shown WHY they were working on our future;for free.
did you miss that Mr. Gates as well as Mr. ali are both black???
you were so worried they used a little white kid, you missed the message.
You are projecting your(possibly subconsious) racism upon all of us.
IMHO the message you want to project is crap.(no disrespect to linus, tridge et al)
look at She who used to be the beautiful Heaulmiere
I bet all you see is a statue of an old woman.
You cant even tell she was once stunning.
or look at The caryatid who has fallen under the weight of her stone
All fine art requires some abstraction to understand.
I consider this the first ad I've ever seen that qualifies as "art"
People (including companies, since they are counted as "people" ine this sick ass world we live in) can and do change over time.
I used to do all kinds of fucked up stuff as a kid I wouldn't dream of doing today.
I bet you did too.
If tomarrow microsoft started being a part of the community, and released this same fucking ad but at the end it said "Microsoft" instead of "IBM" the meaning would still be the same.
The basic concepts still would have given me the feeling I get looking at some of these or reading a really good SF book, say by asimov or heinlein or explaning to my 4 year old how stars work.
just because something or someone is evil now doen't make them always and perpetually evil.
IMO microsoft is NOT beyond redemtion. It would take a lot, but doable.
The only exception I can think of is SCO. They crossed too far into the "dark side" =)
You missed the bus on that one.
You are thinking of data as zeros and ones.
The "data" being refered to here is the collective knolege of the human race.
I think this simple phrase embodies the open source community as well as my own personal feelings. I LOVE learning. Just for the sake of learning. I love sharing what I've learned with my kids(and any other interested party) EVEN MORE.
NEVER before in my life has a fucking advertisment made me almost cry.
What's the point of research and experimentation if you dont share that wisdom with others and let them build upon it?
Where would the state of theoretical physics be had Copernicus, Newton, Einsten, Hawking etc.. just collected wisdom (I.E. "data") and not shared it with the world??
What state would linux be in today if linus was the only one with the source and the sole contributor?
The list goes on and on.
If you cant tell Im very cynical regarding people and corporations whose sole interest and motivation is the dollar.
Imagine an entire civilization whose primary motivation was the advancement and collection of the collective "wisdom" instead of $$.
People trying to cure cancer and AIDS and hunger etc.. JUST to cure it. Not to make BILLIONS off the results should they be succsessfull.
This isn't about your fucking warez and copyright infringing mp3s and movies.
You may want to try the shoreline firewallif you want to learn to use an iptables firewall on linux.(or even if you dont, you can just use shorewall and never actually write your own custom scripts.)
add wondershaper and you can have a VERY decent firewall/traffic shaper knowing almost nothing of how it works.
If you have problems editing text files(such as shorewall uses for configuration) you can also use webmin for a point and click interface with most of the funtions.
SCO: Draino. :)
hahahahah funny shit man.
im not usually a spelling nazi but its grok not groc.
YES!! you are correct SIR!!!
you gotta take the long view here.
we get spam anyway.
If no one buys anything from it it will stop.
period.
eventually.How long? I dont know. I bet 6 SOLID months of ABSOLUTLY 0 sales resulting from a spam and BAM! no more spam.
so now all we gotta do is wait for someone smarter than me to figure out exactly how to coordinate this......
cmon I said and I quote
"therin lies the problem"
meaning I have no theory as to how to solve the problem... I just know it exists.
I think more people than you think would pick "core" and end up with a usable gnome.
DISCLAIMER***HAVE NOT TRIED THIS HAVE NO IDEA***
probably even do a apt-get install gnome-core gnome-common
worst case list em all.
thank god for tab filename completion
I taught the 78 year old dude next door how to run debian.
he can edit his sources.list
he can type apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
he can make cron do that for him.
most grangmas cant figure out how to get vcr to stop blinking 12:00(mine cant)
but anyone with any intrest in computing rapidly learns linux if they know where and how to look
(having someone who knows more than you start ya off doesnt hurt though)
<offtopic> ...etc?
cant use vi
cant use emacs
is there a compelling reason to learn either or?
I mean is there something I can do I cant do with nano grep awk cat sed
other than shell scripts i do not (know how to yet)code.
</offtopic>
I didn't know. /. =)
...you guessed it important.
now I do.
now I won't get picked on by trivia obsessed zealots.(for that)
but it is something I'd not have learned if not for trivia obsessed zealots on
knowing the difference between affect and effect is important.
knowing the difference between there and thier is important.
whowing what an important word in an important scene in an important play is
dont shoot the messenger, just cause it makes him mad to see someone using a word incorrectly,
he then posts about it and others learn something =)
to be a pedant, the problem WOULD be solved if EVERYONE hit the "D" key.
therefore the assumtion is correct.
it's the very few that buy the shit that keep it coming.
I will say that therin lies the problem.
some people are dumb enough to buy shit from a spam.
I live in utah also.
NOT in happy vally though.
never would.
different wourld down there.
would you feel better if he would have said the greater provo area?
AND ON A SIDE RANT ITS FUCKWADS LIKE YOU!! that are turning utah into califlornia
they named iceland iceland for a reason.
just go with the flow.
think of not defending utah your own little way to help with traffic.
UTAH SUCKS DONT MOVE HERE!! lol
I don't think YOU could rip him to shreds.
or at least you post didn't.
are you going to step up to the plate and become "our spokesman"??
ESR has his faults but he does "the community" a great service.
It seems to be nothing but writing diatribes and raking in the cash.
from what I've read and have seen, ESR cares not for chasing every last cent he can.
he belives in what he says.
he will come speak to your LUG for free...
he has some weird rules about it but he WILL do it.
writing diatribes I'll give ya but thats what hes good at =)
A computer, while it can certainly can be put to anti-social use, is not a tool of violence. Even in the worst circumstances it's highly unlikely that anyone will be injured or killed as a result of using a computer in anger.
you will FOR SURE be killed or injured if i throw even a hard drive at yor head from my roof.
to say nothing of an entire tower and/or 21 inch monitor.
and thats not even the worst circumstance i can think of.
A gun, on the other hand, has no other purpose than violence.
no shooting ranges where you live?
i regularly have fun with my firearms.
all the while commiting no act of violence.
(unless all the poor broken bottles count)
so by your logic the stupider a thing someone does the more we should reward them?
because she is willing to destabilise a flimsy cup of near boiling liquid IN BETWEEN HER FUCKING LEGS while DRIVING!!! McD's is that much more at fault in your mind?
I dont do that with cold liquids as i dont want to have a cold wet uncomfortable crotch, much less hot or near boiling stuff!!!
I agree the McD's had some resonsibility,however telling me about how auful the burns are reinforces my belief that it was a 20% 80% kind of thing but the other way around.
I mean really. taking the lid OFF of a very hot paper/syro/plastic cup IN YOUR LAP is really close to a darwin nomination IMHO.
Heh, cards.You need to be a buisnessman.I would love to have some SCO playing cards. I have a question though...I cant abide with darl being "king" so with him on the joker who gets the king?
You forgot the <wild unsubstantiated theory> and </wild unsubstantiated theory> tags. =)
looks like buisiness as usual there,
not very many cars in the lot but thats normal at 3:00 pm on saturday.no kewl "i left the country thanks for the $$$
darl"
signs or anything on the door.