I am not really a programmer but will occasionally put together a solution for a customer (at no charge). I like to use BSD/Apache licensed code because it can be released to customers without being concerned about the terms of the GPL.
do your customers use the code in your solution in their own proprietary products, and then distribute the binaries without distributing the source? if not, there is exactly zero benefit for choosing other licenses over the GPL. and, if your customers are at that level of sophistication they can surely download and use other-licensed code themselves.
What is your point?
my point is - unless you're a proprietary software developer, there is no benefit to the BSD-ish licenses over the GPL. and, in fact, you have likely been harmed by the fact that proprietary software makers have improved (?) open source code, but have not returned those improvements (?) to the community.
so, for everyone's benefit, i suggest that you stop favoring BSD-ish licenses over the GPL unless you have a very specific and overriding need to use other people's code in closed-source products.
Be happy that an open source implementation came out of them. You don't use Apache software because it's not GPL'd? That's a bit rough don't you think?
i didn't say anything about relative merits of open source vs. free software - just that i suspect one of ms's eventual tactics is to isolate free software. they've indicated as much in past statements.
Taiwan province WAS, IS, and WILL ALWAYS BE part of China. The history tells.
that depends what you mean by "part of china". i have no problem with the concept that taiwan be considered part of a single country that includes the mainland. however, the mainland is currently under the control of a non-democratic, illegitimate government, and taiwan has a fledgling democratic government.
I believe that no one would like to see the war between us and our Taiwan people, since we are all Chinese. However, some people (in Taiwan and out there in the world) have never given up leading Taiwan to the WRONG direction. That's why we mainland people will never give up getting taiwan back with our forces. Taiwan problem is set to be solved near year 2020. I'm about to see that day. I wish that day we would see smile rather than blood.
it seems CCP mind control is working perfectly. the CCP has indoctrinated you with nationalism, and now exploits it to cloud your judgement on the taiwan issue.
tell me: why is it that taiwan, with a market economy and democratic government, is going the "WRONG" way, and PRC, under illegitimate control of CCP, is going the "right" way?
what would you think about a deal in which taiwan rejoins the mainland - on the condition that the PRC agree to democratic rule with free and fair elections?
Sorry for my poor English, I've tried my best to make myself clear.
i have no problem understanding you, and it is i who should apologise to you for only understanding english, while you clearly can speak at least two languages:-)
Microsoft is almost certainly not going to take this lying down. [...] they will modify the networking protocols enough that Linux servers will no longer be able to play with Microsoft desktops.
there is certainly a threat from microsoft, but whatever it does in the technological realm won't be it. the true threats are patents and political gerry-mandering.
We had an Exchange Server decide to munch its database, and the MS tech had it up and running via remote support in half an hour.
(bill gates stroking white cat in his lap) 'EXXXCELLENNNNT. the bogus "munch-exchange-database-and-fix-in-half-an-hour" ploy is proceeding according to plan...'
The fact that your neighborhood MSCE can't figure out how this linux thingie works is not Linux's problem. We all know that MSCE is just a name, not something that demonstrates how well they know a system.
especially since it's MCSE, not MSCE.
but what do i know, it's not like i'm a PdH trying to get my OBDC to work in violation of the DCMA or anything.
The main effect of the rise of a competitive OS will be to lower prices to users, as Microsoft loses its ability to charge monopoly rents. In other words, the businesses that will really gain are computer software users, not computer software sellers or distributors.
yes, but linux service and vertical-market software developers are in for a bump. i think novell falls into those categories as well.
I worked as the sole admin for 2200 Windows2k desktops at one time, as well as about the 10 Win2k servers needed to keep things running (two directory, three fileservers, two DNS, two intranet, and then testbed boxen).
man, hopefully management let you wear you superman cape on the job.
actually, you're probably dead by now and won't be able to read this.
a bit of history for that comment: I was actually told that exact quote by a high-level exec of a major Taiwanese semiconductor company when we were out drinking. I got kinda drunk and asked him the "so what's up with you guys, are you one country or two", and he, with a totally straight face gave me that answer.
sound reasonable to me. taiwan has far more legitimacy than PRC, no matter what the relative populations are.
How can you say, with a straight face, that the people who are distributing this software illegaly, without paying are not hurting the programmer at the end of the day?.
where did i say that?
i'm not defending warez traders. as a free software advocate, i'm all for making proprietary software as expensive and hard to get as possible.
i'm merely pointing out that the state of prisons makes it understandable that some countries might be reluctant to extradite wanted persons to our country.
I love how tactical the word "shared" is in this sentence. These warez traders are bastards, with not a moral leg to stand on. If you can't afford it, then find (or write?) an alternative. That's the way the system works. That's also alot of the reason open source is so succesful today. People want to use enterprise software, but not have to pay an arm and a leg for it. When you find constructive, creative ways to beat your competition, the market rewards you for it.
i didn't use "shared" tactically - i used it because it was the most accurate word available. it seems that you're reading something into the word, not me.
These guys get what's coming to 'em. The fact that they get raped in jail is an unfortunate side effect.. hopefully it teaches them a lesson.
now you've exposed yourself to be either simple-minded, or a sadistic barbarian. end of conversation.
ps: here's wishing that you find *yourself* in the wrong overnight lock-up at the wrong time due to circumstances beyond your control.
will consist of deployment of a crappy too-thick-to-be-thin client, with poor response time, and broken widgets.
or it could be a simple web app with some enhancements/extensions as envisioned by the whatwg, behaving as browser users expect it to behave, designed around internet response times, and thus providing response times that browser users are accustomed to.
currently i'm moving a client from a godforsaken ms-access app that i wrote many years ago to a web-based application that i intend to host on my own hosted virtual server. no more installation issues to deal with, no more relinking tables every time i ship a new version, no more ms-access-on-the-client requirement to deal with... when i have a new version ready i just upload it to the server and we're done.
i *am* looking forward to whatwg-like extensions, though, because the user interface is taking a step backward, from the user's perspective. whatwg should address some of those shortcomings.
The vendor will claim that it is due to either 1) client-side misconfigurations, or 2) unanticipated variations in the environment,
further argument for web applications. but again - must... improve... interface... !
both of which will be ironed out via a Professional Services contract accompanying the software "delivery". The end result will be the creation of numerous roles at the client's expense to "manage" and "coordinate" the software delivery, frustration at the end-user level, raises and kudos for the middle managers who jumped on the bandwagon, and fat wallets on the part of the shovelware designers.
unless a competitor comes along and says "why are you messing around with all that complicated proprietary not-thin-enough client technology for? here is my alternative, which is standards-compliant and requires only a web browser to use." (granted, perhaps a mozilla-based browser, but you'd just be doing them a favor anyway if they're not using one already).
That is pretty much my own view. I follow most of the "good things" that the Bible teaches on how to treat others, and I would do so whether I believed in God or not. Sadly, the theory of evolution does not offer much in the way of morality.
so some teachings in your particular religious texts happen to coincide with ways that you choose to behave based on rational thinking. are you even following a religion at all?
and, i would note that it's not evolution's job to provide a foundation for morality and ethics. that's a job for rational human thought.
No, it's exactly the other way round,
It's scientifically irrelevant whether
there is "other side", however, conducting your life and organizing society based on the premise
has immediate and measurable consequences.
In other words, the very concept of "other side"
has evolved as, and is but an answer to
empirical problems.
only if you believe that there is no drawback to living a (likely) lie.
The scientific view of religion is not atheism. The scientific view is agnosticism and simplicity.
yes, but most atheists i know are actually scientific agnostics, but functioning atheists. ie, we can't *truly* know whether there's an "other side", but it's mad to conduct our lives and organize our societies around the contention that there is.
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if you re-read, you'll see it was a suggestion with a rationale, not a command.
do your customers use the code in your solution in their own proprietary products, and then distribute the binaries without distributing the source? if not, there is exactly zero benefit for choosing other licenses over the GPL. and, if your customers are at that level of sophistication they can surely download and use other-licensed code themselves.
What is your point?
my point is - unless you're a proprietary software developer, there is no benefit to the BSD-ish licenses over the GPL. and, in fact, you have likely been harmed by the fact that proprietary software makers have improved (?) open source code, but have not returned those improvements (?) to the community.
so, for everyone's benefit, i suggest that you stop favoring BSD-ish licenses over the GPL unless you have a very specific and overriding need to use other people's code in closed-source products.
hey, get out there and shake your tits on a webcam like everyone else.
have you used apache/bsd code in a proprietary product without releasing the source?
i didn't say anything about relative merits of open source vs. free software - just that i suspect one of ms's eventual tactics is to isolate free software. they've indicated as much in past statements.
look forward to MS accommodating an open source implementation, while freezing out a GPL-compatible implementation.
and you appear to be a hyper-active douchebag unfit to wipe my ass, much less judge my value to the free software movement.
that depends what you mean by "part of china". i have no problem with the concept that taiwan be considered part of a single country that includes the mainland. however, the mainland is currently under the control of a non-democratic, illegitimate government, and taiwan has a fledgling democratic government.
I believe that no one would like to see the war between us and our Taiwan people, since we are all Chinese. However, some people (in Taiwan and out there in the world) have never given up leading Taiwan to the WRONG direction. That's why we mainland people will never give up getting taiwan back with our forces. Taiwan problem is set to be solved near year 2020. I'm about to see that day. I wish that day we would see smile rather than blood.
it seems CCP mind control is working perfectly. the CCP has indoctrinated you with nationalism, and now exploits it to cloud your judgement on the taiwan issue.
tell me: why is it that taiwan, with a market economy and democratic government, is going the "WRONG" way, and PRC, under illegitimate control of CCP, is going the "right" way?
what would you think about a deal in which taiwan rejoins the mainland - on the condition that the PRC agree to democratic rule with free and fair elections?
Sorry for my poor English, I've tried my best to make myself clear.
i have no problem understanding you, and it is i who should apologise to you for only understanding english, while you clearly can speak at least two languages :-)
no, i don't. and why should i care what those douchebags are "totin' around town"?
and that's why microsoft will *never* seduce the geeks. all those capital letters! in c# too! computer dorks will never use the shift key that often!
there is certainly a threat from microsoft, but whatever it does in the technological realm won't be it. the true threats are patents and political gerry-mandering.
(bill gates stroking white cat in his lap) 'EXXXCELLENNNNT. the bogus "munch-exchange-database-and-fix-in-half-an-hour" ploy is proceeding according to plan...'
especially since it's MCSE, not MSCE.
but what do i know, it's not like i'm a PdH trying to get my OBDC to work in violation of the DCMA or anything.
yes, but linux service and vertical-market software developers are in for a bump. i think novell falls into those categories as well.
nah, i work for the government. screw you, taxpayer!
man, hopefully management let you wear you superman cape on the job.
actually, you're probably dead by now and won't be able to read this.
cool, we look forward to competing with you!
sound reasonable to me. taiwan has far more legitimacy than PRC, no matter what the relative populations are.
the human race makes me sick sometimes.
Don't buy it, don't warez it, don't allow it on your computer.
i agree - that is good advice.
where did i say that?
i'm not defending warez traders. as a free software advocate, i'm all for making proprietary software as expensive and hard to get as possible.
i'm merely pointing out that the state of prisons makes it understandable that some countries might be reluctant to extradite wanted persons to our country.
I love how tactical the word "shared" is in this sentence. These warez traders are bastards, with not a moral leg to stand on. If you can't afford it, then find (or write?) an alternative. That's the way the system works. That's also alot of the reason open source is so succesful today. People want to use enterprise software, but not have to pay an arm and a leg for it. When you find constructive, creative ways to beat your competition, the market rewards you for it.
i didn't use "shared" tactically - i used it because it was the most accurate word available. it seems that you're reading something into the word, not me.
These guys get what's coming to 'em. The fact that they get raped in jail is an unfortunate side effect.. hopefully it teaches them a lesson.
now you've exposed yourself to be either simple-minded, or a sadistic barbarian. end of conversation.
ps: here's wishing that you find *yourself* in the wrong overnight lock-up at the wrong time due to circumstances beyond your control.
as RMS succinctly put it at a presentation i attended several months ago: in the US, you can now be sent to prison to be raped for sharing software.
this fact short-circuits any rational discussion one might have about jurisdiction, extradition, etc.
or it could be a simple web app with some enhancements/extensions as envisioned by the whatwg, behaving as browser users expect it to behave, designed around internet response times, and thus providing response times that browser users are accustomed to.
currently i'm moving a client from a godforsaken ms-access app that i wrote many years ago to a web-based application that i intend to host on my own hosted virtual server. no more installation issues to deal with, no more relinking tables every time i ship a new version, no more ms-access-on-the-client requirement to deal with... when i have a new version ready i just upload it to the server and we're done.
i *am* looking forward to whatwg-like extensions, though, because the user interface is taking a step backward, from the user's perspective. whatwg should address some of those shortcomings.
The vendor will claim that it is due to either 1) client-side misconfigurations, or 2) unanticipated variations in the environment,
further argument for web applications. but again - must... improve... interface... !
both of which will be ironed out via a Professional Services contract accompanying the software "delivery". The end result will be the creation of numerous roles at the client's expense to "manage" and "coordinate" the software delivery, frustration at the end-user level, raises and kudos for the middle managers who jumped on the bandwagon, and fat wallets on the part of the shovelware designers.
unless a competitor comes along and says "why are you messing around with all that complicated proprietary not-thin-enough client technology for? here is my alternative, which is standards-compliant and requires only a web browser to use." (granted, perhaps a mozilla-based browser, but you'd just be doing them a favor anyway if they're not using one already).
go whatwg, go!
so some teachings in your particular religious texts happen to coincide with ways that you choose to behave based on rational thinking. are you even following a religion at all?
and, i would note that it's not evolution's job to provide a foundation for morality and ethics. that's a job for rational human thought.
only if you believe that there is no drawback to living a (likely) lie.
yes, but most atheists i know are actually scientific agnostics, but functioning atheists. ie, we can't *truly* know whether there's an "other side", but it's mad to conduct our lives and organize our societies around the contention that there is.