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Kite Aerial Photography

j cherney writes "A great combination of digital photography, kite flying, and wireless remote control. Absolutely incredible pictures. Enjoy!" We've mentioned this expensive pursuit a few times before, including a bit on how to build one of your own.

170 comments

  1. I've heard of upskirt pictures... by TheOtherAgentM · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is the new trend down blouse pictures? I like it already.

    1. Re:I've heard of upskirt pictures... by cujo_1111 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Could also be a way of spotting the not so obvious toupe wearers amongst us...

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    2. Re:I've heard of upskirt pictures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't get to any pics before the site died. I wonder how it looks. Maybe its time to use that p2p web cache mentioned a week ago.

    3. Re:I've heard of upskirt pictures... by mefus · · Score: 2, Funny

      d00d, it's called areole photography

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  2. Build your own webserver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    and put a camera on it so you can see when it dies. :p

    I managed to see one picture before the site died. :/

    1. Re:Build your own webserver by lewko · · Score: 4, Funny

      Stupid kite-eating webserver....

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    2. Re:Build your own webserver by san+diego+codepig · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can see the pics via www.archive.org...oh darn, just crashed another site!

  3. Hmm by g-to-the-o-to-the-g · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm...I forsee great business opportunities for camera repair shops.

    1. Re:Hmm by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...and lawyers ;-)

    2. Re:Hmm by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Hmm...I forsee great business opportunities for camera repair shops.

      Naw, they just resell them as metal Frisbees

  4. Lacks composition by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Pointing your camera at the ground and pressing the shutter does not a piece of art make.

    Sure you get a bunch of photos, but can you really say that you, the photographer, were the one taking the random, haphazard pictures?

    I hate when people demean art by claiming that their homespun crap is on par with the work of true artists. I'm looking right at you, Thomas Kinkade!

    1. Re:Lacks composition by eingram · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not art just because you don't like it. What about slinging your brush and dripping paint on a giant canvas? Would you consider that art or not (Jackson Pollock)?

      Yes, it's art.

    2. Re:Lacks composition by flacco · · Score: 5, Funny
      Help a poor physics student buy an iBook [strangecharm.net]!

      hey, get out there and shake your tits on a webcam like everyone else.

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    3. Re:Lacks composition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh get off of it you pretentious troll. I can't tell from your post whether you consider yourself an artist or not but a "true" artist wouldn't be so insecure and concern themselves with meaningless classifications. In the end, the message is in the "art" and not the morons trying to pass off snobbery as insightful analysis.

    4. Re:Lacks composition by secretsquirel · · Score: 0

      I'm often told that I'm a work of art.
      Abstract art.

    5. Re:Lacks composition by photonagon · · Score: 1

      art: Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

      Seems to be art to me.

    6. Re:Lacks composition by andrewa · · Score: 1

      I didn't make up my bed this morning, does that make me an artist?
      I'm looking straight at you Tracy Emin....

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    7. Re:Lacks composition by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny
      You're right. If the same thing was done by an artist, rather than a redneck, it would indeed be art.

      Let's keep art away from the commoners - I don't want my opening parties spoiled by mouth-breathers.

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    8. Re:Lacks composition by Erno_Rubaiyat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pointing your camera at the ground and pressing the shutter does not a piece of art make.

      unless you happen to be minor white

      Sure you get a bunch of photos, but can you really say that you, the photographer, were the one taking the random, haphazard pictures?

      Seriously consider found art, Dada, postmodern art and other forms of high art and the answer is yes, btw did you bother to look at the pictures before ranting? I am a photographer and was taken by the composition and beauty of the pictures.

      I hate when people demean art by claiming that their homespun crap is on par with the work of true artists.

      It is impossible to demean art. I hate it when people think that art has to be made by a certain class of people to be art. And by homespun crap are you referring to folk art? If it was in a gallery you would call it art.

      I'm looking right at you, Thomas Kinkade!

      And poor Thomas Kinkade will go home and cry in his big pile of money.

    9. Re:Lacks composition by andrewa · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am not sure how many people would pay to see somebody called "eric" shaking their tits.... You never know though, takes all sorts...

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    10. Re:Lacks composition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's not like you're actually drawing the picture yourself. The camera does the work for you, and now you use a kite to do the other part for you.

      I am going to hold my breath and wait for the space elevator to take me up there and shoot my pictures!

    11. Re:Lacks composition by Singletoned · · Score: 1
      "unless you happen to be minor white"

      Wasn't sure what this bit meant, but I wish I had mod points to mod up the rest of it.

      A lovely response. I will probably quote your "it is impossible to deman art" in the future.

    12. Re:Lacks composition by B747SP · · Score: 1
      He probably has bigger tits than most pr0n women

      Er, dude... when it's an 'HE', they're not called 'tits'... they're called manboobs!. No less gross but!

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    13. Re:Lacks composition by sgant · · Score: 1

      Would you consider that art or not (Jackson Pollock)?

      No, Pollock wasn't art. It was crap. The 20th century art world was high-jacked by idiotic critics that proclaimed that everything before was drivel.

      "For over 90 years, there has been a concerted and relentless effort to disparage, denigrate and obliterate the reputations, names, and brilliance of the academic artistic masters of the late 19th Century. Fueled by a cooperative press, the ruling powers have held the global art establishment in an iron grip. Equally, there was a successful effort to remove from our institutions of higher learning all the methods, techniques and knowledge of how to train skilled artists. Five centuries of critical data was nearly thrown into the trash. It is incredible how close Modernist theory, backed by an enormous network of powerful and influential art dealers, came to acquiring complete control over thousands of museums, university art departments and journalistic art criticism."

      If you want to be an artist, be an artist...don't throw paint at a canvas and say "I'm a genius!".

      Want to know a little more why I'm pissed off? Go to Art Renewal Center and look around. Art should speak to you right from the start.

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    14. Re:Lacks composition by Speare · · Score: 1
      "unless you happen to be minor white"
      Wasn't sure what this bit meant, but I wish I had mod points to mod up the rest of it.

      Minor White (1834-1903), artist. You know, Google isn't so hard.

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    15. Re:Lacks composition by Singletoned · · Score: 1
      Minor White (1834-1903), artist. You know, Google isn't so hard.

      I wasn't interested enough to Google for it. I just wanted to qualify my statement of support by saying that it didn't apply to the first sentence as I wasn't sure what it meant.

  5. Why not video? by The+Green+Skeleton · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I think would be alot cooler is if someone stuck a small wireless camera (you can pick them up for like $30 on ebay) on a kite. It would be alot lighter as those things are tiny (the heavyest part would likely be the 9v battery), and you still make stills later if you really wanted to.
    Just my 2c.

    1. Re:Why not video? by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The resolution is not good enough, I think. Since you are taking panoramic pictures with a lot of small detail, you really want high resolution or any particular ground feature will just devolve into a few fuzzy pixels. To take really good arial pictures, I would expect black and white film photography probably is by far the best (though perhaps least convenient) choice.

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    2. Re:Why not video? by rf0 · · Score: 1

      If you have seen some of the ariel photos taking by which was taken with a spotter plane they aren't much better

      Rus

    3. Re:Why not video? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What I think would be alot cooler is if someone stuck a small wireless camera

      What about using a balloon instead of a kite with a wireless camera? It could stay up much longer with less supervision and probably provide a more stable image.

    4. Re:Why not video? by KitFox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmmm... Weather Balloon, tank of helium, good tie line, a good rig, and a clear day (Or a stormy one if you're feeling like Ben). Seems much less dangerous for the camera than a kite, honestly (Unless some neighborhood twerp has a pellet rifle).

      I also noticed that one poster was pointing out that high altitude photography sucks, and everything looks boring from a plane. Well, yeah, it does. That's because of the extreme elevation. But get something up there without being at the altitude that a plane is at, and you can get some pretty cool shots.

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    5. Re:Why not video? by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

      Even though those eBay wireless cameras are small, and operate for a little while on a 9v battery, you can't get the range out of them to transmit video to the ground. Once you put the transmitter, the camera, the receiver, the battery, and a recording device on the kite, it's not quite so light anymore.

    6. Re:Why not video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "The resolution is not good enough, I think"

      Perhaps some processing of a shitload of these wireless camera frames would result in a nice single frame. There certainly is a lot more information about the scene in the aggredate data.

    7. Re:Why not video? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      i remember seeing a video made with such a small wireless camera.

      the guy put it facing the ground on a model rocket.

      the video goes like:
      1) static grass.
      2) ignition.
      3) quickly rotating ground.
      4) quickly rotating cloudy sky.
      5) static.

    8. Re:Why not video? by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 1

      If you want to make it really interesting...
      Get a calm day, 2 old computer fans (at 90 degrees to each other) a 12v battery pack & some remote control stuff. A weather baloon can carry weather observing equipment, so it should be able to carry that lot. Then you'll have control over where the camera goes.
      If you want to look really clever stick a GPS transmitter on it in lieu of the fans so you can pick it up once it comes down wherever it goes.

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    9. Re:Why not video? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What I think would be alot cooler is if someone stuck a small wireless camera
      > (you can pick them up for like $30 on ebay) on a kite.

      Completely OT, but why would anyone in their right mind hand over their personal data to the spawn of satan that is called eBay to buy something you can pick up in every shop around the corner for the exact same price???

    10. Re:Why not video? by TLSPRWR · · Score: 1

      Someone did this a while back, and the article was on Slashdot. Some College group got some party balloons, a tank of helium and a cheap digital camera that they rigged to go off in a few second intervals. Some impressive looking photography..
      Ah, after some searching, I found the article: Slashdot Article July 25, 2003. Hope that gives you some ideas.

    11. Re:Why not video? by qray · · Score: 1

      If you had a very calm day you could probably buy one of these. They offer a wireless video camera for it.

    12. Re:Why not video? by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 1
      Check out the pictures on this page...

      http://balloons.space.edu/habp/project_4/airphotos .html

      The balloon gets so high that you can see stars at mid-day.

  6. The kite just took some new pictures... by generationxyu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently there's a fire at the hosting company... Slashdot to the rescue! (batman theme song)

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    1. Re:The kite just took some new pictures... by servognome · · Score: 4, Funny

      POW! CLICK! DING! 503!

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    2. Re:The kite just took some new pictures... by MrJules · · Score: 0

      Why doesn't slashdot simply cache the site they are posting themselves. Or maybe just the rich content (such as images, movies, etc.) Or what if they created a 'Slashdot Proxy' that only allowed connections to posted URLs? There's gotta be some solution to the ongoing problem

    3. Re:The kite just took some new pictures... by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      The good news is that they will be able to test their mitigation plan for the next /.'ing when the dup comes along in a month or so.

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    4. Re:The kite just took some new pictures... by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
      Apparently there's a fire at the hosting company... Slashdot to the rescue!

      Maybe it's time for the Powers That Be at Slashdot to consider mirroring some of the sites that they feature. It's gotten so that I don't even try to get through for the first 8 hours or so...

  7. Coral P2P Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Coral P2P Cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe the editor can change the link on the story to point to the cache?

    2. Re:Coral P2P Cache by drawfour · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that the Slashdot editors should take it upon themselves to modify all links in the submitted article to be Coral'd. Now that a method exists by which to help eliminate (or greatly reduce) the /. effect, Slashdot owes it to the websites to which it links to prevent whatever /. effect it can.

    3. Re:Coral P2P Cache by pdamoc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Coralisation after slashdoting is useless.
      Google cache is shot on images.
      Well I guess people could try the internet archive... at least they have a chance to see something (not too much tho) :)

    4. Re:Coral P2P Cache by sploo22 · · Score: 1

      And load Coral down with tens of thousands of extra hits per day, without notifying them? Somehow I doubt that would go over well.

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    5. Re:Coral P2P Cache by mfreed · · Score: 1

      Actually, we'd welcome the opportunity to help Slashdot and other portals out in such a capacity. That's what Coral was designed for. So, it would go over well...

      Coral is certainly designed as a scalable system to handle high traffic loads, and we've managed to weather recent slashdotting fairly well. Coral is currently running on 80-100 well-distributed servers. Expect around 300 servers within the next couple months. For deployment pictures, see here.

      In the next couple weeks and months, we should be rolling out some technological changes to improve response time and cache utilization. An active client and server-operator community for the project is certainly welcome.

  8. /.'d already. by mcrbids · · Score: 0, Redundant

    We're about 7 comments in, it's 10:40 PM PST, and the site is /.ed.

    Mirrors? Anybody?

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  9. Uh oh... by r00k123 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Webmaster - please contact support as soon as possible. Sooomebodyss innn troouubllleee....

    1. Re:Uh oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never saw that message, and I clicked through at least 5 times ;)

    2. Re:Uh oh... by Benjim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've been reloading the webpage repeatedly for the last hour or so hoping to see something - it did say "come back soon" ;-)

  10. No need to break your camera by icecow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Inflate some pool rafts and kiddy pools with helium and start crafting some aerodynamics using the principals observed.

    type 'pool raft' in google and hit that 'image' tab if you want to start visualizing it.

    might be more like helium-raft-parachute photography but hey.

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    1. Re:No need to break your camera by martingunnarsson · · Score: 1

      The "principals" observed? You're doing this as a school project? ;-)

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    2. Re:No need to break your camera by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      i've generally found that helium isn't light enough for doing this, most rafts can't hold enough, blow more than a few up myself trying though. oh and don't try to fill a basket ball up with helium unless your wearing gloves those things HURT when they exploded. (this was after my moms birthday when me my dad and brother were trying to come up with something to do with the rented helium since we had to use it up). we were able to get about 30psi into the basket ball before it exploded.

    3. Re:No need to break your camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That reminds me of that TV advert
      where the guy is trying to figure out why the balloons he's inflating are sinking to the ground instead of rising

      Then you see one of those bouncy castles float by in the distance

    4. Re:No need to break your camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't return the rented He, then ?

  11. Ouch! by Bill_Royle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another example of why you shouldn't host from a dynamic connection...

    NS1.DYNAMICNAME.COM
    NS2.DYNAMICNAME.COM

    1. Re:Ouch! by Soko · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think thier ISP just pissed them off.

      "Cut off my bitorrent, will you? Fine. I'll just get this ULTRA high bandwidth, pictures galore site that's hosted on my home connection posted on Slashdot's front fucking page, Mr. No-Copyright-Infrigement-For-You-Techy-Type. Just you wait, michael won't even check where it's hosted, asshole."

      Soko

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  12. Hrmm.. by r00k123 · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Webmaster - please contact support as soon as possible.

    Someboodysss innnn trouuuublllle...

    1. Re:Hrmm.. by Bill_Royle · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the nameservers it looks like he's serving out of his own house (as I posted up a few notches).

      That said, if he wants to put in a trouble ticket to www.dynamicname.com, he might have a bit of trouble:

      "The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings."

      I've heard of throttling, but self-throttling seems a bit extreme.

    2. Re:Hrmm.. by permaculture · · Score: 1

      smoking and charred writes "A great combination of big pictures, slashdot, and bored geeks worldwide. Absolutely incredible server burnination. Enjoy!"

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  13. Info from page by z3021017 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been interested in photography for as long as I can remember, and kite aerial photography (KAP) seemed like a natural progression. At least it did after my friend, Thomas Dewez, convinced me that it isn't completely ridiculous to suspend an $800 camera from a kite. After seeing the potential in online galleries, I knew that I had to do this! I spent a few months researching equipment, technique, etc. before diving in. I had not flown a kite since I was a kid, so I'm learning as I go...

    These web pages will serve as a photo gallery of select images, as well as a general information source on equipment, technique, and other related info. Be sure to see my 360 virtual reality (VR) panoramas taken from a kite's eye view. They might take a while to load (depending on your connection speed), but it should be worth the wait.

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  14. Crashed and burned by aztektum · · Score: 1

    The pic page has crashed and burned.

    Either that or the kite did hence no pictures.

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    1. Re:Crashed and burned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothign like dynamic pages for static content :-)

      Whats wrong with setting up a dev server that has all the nice db stuff to keep all the links and pics correct and then using webcopy from the main server. It works great and then the server can cope with 1000x times the load.

  15. Meltdown! by wormeyman · · Score: 0, Redundant

    IN before the server melt down!

  16. Slashdotted already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now wouldn't it be great if everyone used a Coraled URL to access the site? It's no help right now since the site is already down, but if it does come up, this would help preserve its bandwidth.

  17. Cheap Way and Fun Way! by ttroutma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Easier way to do this is to use a camera that just takes a pic every so many minutes and just tie it to a stable kite. It will dangle around randomly but it works and you get a decent picture sometimes. As to putting a wireless camera on a kite, just put a wireless camera on a really high performance stunt kite and then wear a head mounted display while you fly it around at 100mph. That would make an exciting vomit machine.

    1. Re:Cheap Way and Fun Way! by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 1

      Yet another reason to buy one of those "disposible" digital cameras and hack it...

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  18. This should teach us all... by perseguidor · · Score: 4, Funny

    (Reminds me of Ben Franklin!)
    This should teach us all not to expose cameras to lightning when still plugged to servers!

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  19. linux powered weather balloon by phreakv6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:linux powered weather balloon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:linux powered weather balloon by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      They said it was a weather balloon.

  20. I had trouble by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My kite kept getting tangled in its string and went spiraling into buildings. Lose more cameras that way :-)

  21. crashed and burned already by phinneas · · Score: 1, Informative

    "Visitors
    We are sorry but this site is experiencing
    difficulties at this time.
    Please return shortly!
    Thank you for your patience.


    Webmaster - please contact support as soon as possible."

    Google cache

    1. Re:crashed and burned already by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Visitors - We are sorry but this site is experiencing difficulties at this time.
      Please return shortly. Thank you for your kind patience.

      Webmaster - FUCKEN PAAAANIC!!!!!

    2. Re:crashed and burned already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG ROFLOLOLOLLOLOLOOOLOL yuo are teh funee!!!!1!1!!!!111oneoneoneuno

    3. Re:crashed and burned already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG ROFLOLOLOLLOLOLOOOLOL yuo are teh funee!!!!1!1!!!!111oneoneoneuno

      Visitors - We are sorry but this site is experiencing difficulties at this time.
      Please return shortly. Thank you for your kind patience.

      Webmaster - Panic

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  22. While you're at it... by mirko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's also Photoplane which consists of putting a camera on a radio-guided plane.

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  23. Good lord by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 1

    This link was slashdotted with less than 30 posts, holy crap!

    Editors, shouldn't it be taken into consideration (the enormous ddos that is slashdot) when linking to sites? posting mirrors or something.. At least a good warning to the site owners is needed! Can you imagine if someone's bandwidth bill just went up from $50 to a couple hundred.... it would be terrible

    Please save the poor webservers!

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  24. Re:GREAT STUFF!! by choas · · Score: 1

    I think I can see my house just to the right of 'difficulties'!!!

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  25. Re:Why not video? Why not sound too? by icecow · · Score: 1

    then you and your friends could start shooting at it with a BB guns and bottle rockets until the lens cracked or it spirals to doom from structural damage or fire. it's a good idea where i'm from anyway.

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  26. Sell your Data to GlobeXplorer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget to license your Ortho-Rectified Kite data to http://www.globexplorer.com/

  27. (Partial) mirror by D+H+NG · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here are 4 of the kite panoramas I managed to see before the site died. The names are different from the site's because I just took them from my cache.

    Panorama 1
    Panorama 2
    Panorama 3
    Panorama 4

    1. Re:(Partial) mirror by metachor · · Score: 1

      Someone please mod parent up. These panoramas are amazing.

    2. Re:(Partial) mirror by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

      Is that first one Oban, in Scotland?

      cLive ;-)

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    3. Re:(Partial) mirror by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1
      Wow, those are amazing. What kind of rig do you need to take panoramic pictures like that? And why doesn't the kite show up in the pictures?

      P.S. nice use of the nyud.net caching system; if only the slashdot editors would catch on to it...

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    4. Re:(Partial) mirror by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Wow, those are good pictures! In the 3rd and 4th ones you can even see the curvature of the Earth!

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    5. Re:(Partial) mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It's a trick. 360 degrees panoramic pictures with 180 degrees vertical angle are usually stitched together from two fish-eye shots with 180+ degrees field of view. The site is slashdotted and I didn't get to see it, but I guess the camera is hanging from the kite looking straight down with said fish-eye lense, taking pictures of the ground to the horizon in all directions. Then the photographer makes a shot of the sky with a similar camera, but from the ground. Since the sky is far away and doesn't have locating details anyway, the height difference doesn't matter.

    6. Re:(Partial) mirror by jridley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mod parent funny.

      Actually you can see the lens distortion of the earth!

    7. Re:(Partial) mirror by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 1

      So, since the original site is dead, what area the details ni building something like this? Many "normal" images stitched together? Fish-eye lenses as another poster suggested? Software to generate the quick-time VR files?

    8. Re:(Partial) mirror by asoap · · Score: 1
      Good call. I believe that you are right.

      When you check out this photo you can see a kite in the sky, with something dangeling underneath it.

      It looks like they are also taking the photos of the sky at roughly the same time so that the colour/images line up somewhat.

      Regardless they have done some very stunning work.

      -asoap

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    9. Re:(Partial) mirror by GoRK · · Score: 1

      You use a fisheye lens with a 180 or greater FOV hanging from the kite pointing straight down, then you mesh it with a shot of the sky with the same lens pointed straight up. To make the pano, you need some software. I used a copy of Panotools (compiled without the FOV restriction; come sue me ipix) to do the stitching. PTPicker is a free java frontend for panotools or you can also use the excellent PTGui for windows or PTMac for mac which work a bit quicker than the java stuff.

      I made one of these panoramas one time over a harbor in Maui, HI. The result is available on this page.

    10. Re:(Partial) mirror by GoRK · · Score: 1

      Yes, exactly. I have done this same shot from a kite. The rig you use is the same as for any other shot, except that you lock it so the camera is pointed straight down (my rig's servo cannot pitch with the heavy fisheye lens on the camera, so I just have a locking pin to hold it in place)

      As far as equipment, there are very few small cameras that can take a 180 deg fisheye and not weigh a thousand pounds. Nikon makes a lens, the FC-E8 fisheye converter that can be used with most of the consumer line coolpix cameras. Everyone doing these kite panos that I know of is using the FC-E8. Doing it any other way would be very cost prohibitive (some good fisheye lenses with this FOV run upwards of $5000 and weigh many pounds -- flying them on a kite would be both difficult and extremely risky)

    11. Re:(Partial) mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suppose your camera is 100m above ground and takes a picture with the horizon in the middle. A 90 degrees horizontal field of view then results in a 1.5 pixel vertical shift of the horizon line from the left/right edge to the center of a 1024 pixels wide picture.

    12. Re:(Partial) mirror by jridley · · Score: 1

      That's assuming that you have a lens that takes a perfectly flat image. OK, if the horizon is lined up exactly with the centerline of distortion of the lens, you might be right. But 90 degrees is a very wide angle lens (25mm, generally considered a super-wide angle lens, on the verge of "fisheye"). Just a touch above or below the centerline, and lens distortion will vastly outweigh the earth's curvature.

    13. Re:(Partial) mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dersch's Panorama Tools are not only useful for making panoramas but also for correcting lens distortions. BTW, the 90 degrees angle is that of the (perfect rectilinear) virtual camera in the panorama viewer. The actual photos are taken with a 180+ degrees fisheye looking straight down, so a flat horizon becomes a perfect circle in the picture.

      At 100m altitude, the horizon curvature is hardly visible, but it is measurable. The effect becomes more obvious when you zoom out with the panorama viewer because then it covers a wider field of view and the horizon drops further down at the edges.

    14. Re:(Partial) mirror by D+H+NG · · Score: 1
      Looks like the caching service isn't working too well. You can try visiting the original location of these files or just by trying this:


      1

      2

      3

      4

    15. Re:(Partial) mirror by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

      Cool, thanks for the info, Mr. AC.

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    16. Re:(Partial) mirror by jridley · · Score: 1

      OK, all that aside, did you look at the photos? If that's the curvature of the earth, the earth is about 1000 kilometers in diameter.

    17. Re:(Partial) mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the effect of the manual combination of the panorama's upper and lower half. The author slightly scales sky and ground pictures vertically. This virtually puts the kite much higher above ground. What you see is earth curvature, not lens distortion, albeit at an unrealistic height.

  28. The Coral P2P Cache is too late! by Photo_Nut · · Score: 0

    You have to get it in the cache before it is Slashdotted... This just doesn't do it. :(

    1. Re:The Coral P2P Cache is too late! by Dianoga · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps all slashdot links should automatically have the nyud.net:8090 tacked on. Save everyone the trouble

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    2. Re:The Coral P2P Cache is too late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more /.ing? That would remove all the fun...

    3. Re:The Coral P2P Cache is too late! by skidv · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Since the Editors won't do it, submitters should. After all, this is supposed to be a grass-roots project. Editors don't submit stories. They infrequently comment on non-slashdot stories. The submitters should make the change.

    4. Re:The Coral P2P Cache is too late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good idea

      really

  29. but then what? by Errtu76 · · Score: 0

    Let's assume that the slashdot editors are really going to inform a webmaster about the traffic that will soon hit his site. What if the webmaster says "thanks but no thanks"? Should the entire story then be cancelled? How many times do you see a website being slashdotted? I agree it's a pity if you get a huge bandwidth-bill, but if you don't want people to see what you put online, don't put it online in the first place. And if you do expect alot of people, make sure you can afford the traffic (both financially and technically).

    1. Re:but then what? by jridley · · Score: 1

      I'd like to think that if asked not to link, the editors wouldn't link.

      But if slashdot contacted me and said they were going to link to my web page, I'd probably make a mirror myself on a limited-bandwidth site and ask them to point to that. If they refused, I'd wait until the article posted and immediately move the page until it left the /. front page.

  30. Mod Parent Down! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Informative? I just see a few frames of glittering pixels...

    Looks more like something from a dead camera....

  31. alternate link by dirvish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, since the mentioned site is slashdotted try this one instead for some aerial kite photography.

    1. Re:alternate link by dirvish · · Score: 1

      ...or for something more closely approaching the original link, the most recent internet archive of the /.ed site. Unfortunately it looks like most of the images were not archived. :(

    2. Re:alternate link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-d59ce86830-1365194 b98-8c97ca4a4c
      http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-d5 9ce86830-18c0137 76c-2445a40f54
      http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-d5 9ce86830-c85902c 8d3-dc979dc46b
      http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-d5 9ce86830-a238332 2fd-b83328a5df
      http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-d5 9ce86830-5ef1a0c 348-29249629cb
      http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-d5 9ce86830-655abce 402-91fd7194d5

  32. Oh, the other Haefner by robindmorris · · Score: 2, Funny
    And there I was thinking that the link to http://www.thehaefners.com/gallery/ had something to do with somoene with a slightly different spelling of their surname, and a penchant for bunnies.

    Imagine the pictures you'd get from flying a kite around that Heffner's house.

  33. Waybackmachine's cache of the page by joda · · Score: 1, Informative

    Since the site is slashdotted and the google-cache miss the pictures.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040211231540/http://t hehaefners.com/kap/

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  34. A-E-R-I-A-L by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    FYI,
    it's not "arial " (a font, or a town in South Carolina),
    or "ariel " (a character in _The Tempest_, or, more recently, one in Disney's _The Little Mermaid_),
    or even "areal " (the adjective form of "area"),
    but rather "aerial" when you're talking about things of, in, or related to the air.

  35. What if.. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 1

    the kite flies away? How do I get the pictures I've snapped then..? Oh wait a second....

  36. Stuntkite + Sony P32 by boomgopher · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Speak of the devil, I did this the other weekend using a $15 stunt kite and my digital camera, a Sony P32 (got it for only $90 at Target, so I felt it was worth the risk)
    The video on this little cam is great, 640x480 at 24fps (though it actually seems more like 15fps, some frames are doubled). With a 128M memory stick, I can get 5 minutes of video and audio. Viewing the results on TV is great, it's almost DVCam quality.

    I'd love to post the videos here (some flyovers at the beach), but my department's sysadmin would be pissed if I uploaded the 20+M mpgs. There's audio too, but it's basically wind noise, and not very interesting.

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    1. Re:Stuntkite + Sony P32 by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'd love to post the videos here (some flyovers at the beach), but my department's sysadmin would be pissed if I uploaded the 20+M mpgs.

      It is not a good idea to post videos on Slashdot. From the Wikipedia entry on the Slashdot effect...

      Major news sites or corporate websites are typically unaffected by the Slashdot effect because they have been engineered to serve large numbers of requests. Websites that usually fall victim are smaller sites hosted on home servers or those with many large images or movie files.

      Your sysadmin would be very pissed, as well as the rest of your department.

    2. Re:Stuntkite + Sony P32 by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      There's audio too, but it's basically wind noise, and not very interesting.

      It's all in the marketing. Stick it on a CD and label it "Sounds of Wind and Sky", and you could have a hit NewAge environmental meditation record.

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    3. Re:Stuntkite + Sony P32 by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      and to think I had mod points yesterday. . .
      +1 "just too damn smart"
      -nB

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  37. google cache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  38. Learn some art history. by mewphobia · · Score: 2, Informative
    I hate when people demean art by claiming that their homespun crap is on par with the work of true artists. I'm looking right at you, Thomas Kinkade!

    Ever heard of Duchamp? or the readymade? Duchamp did things like put a toilet in an exhibition. Duchamp didn't demean art in the same way that the photograph didn't/doesn't demean art.

    Lookup the whole Dada movement. Art is about it's own destruction as much as it is about anything else.

    1. Re:Learn some art history. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, Duchamp didn't ruin art - he took a very clever idea and ran with it. It's just a shame that over eighty years later thousands of other artists are making 'art' using that exact same clever idea. Come up with something new!

    2. Re:Learn some art history. by mewphobia · · Score: 1

      Now we're going hell offtopic here, but i think he's to traditional art what post-modenism is to modernism.

      His philosphy took what already existed, and saw more into it, thus incorporating the old philosphy in his new one.

      It's hard to make a new era past post-modernism. Because it's just a wider world view, incorporating anything we might do.

      It's like making a better methodology to science.

      Andy warhol did something close, by making art just marketting, but duchamp had that beat cause he's saying art is simply pointing something out. Yeah DUH, if art is a message then you need to tell it to someone!

  39. Google Image Search by flowerp · · Score: 1
    Do a google image search on

    site:thehaefners.com kap

    or follow this [google Germany, oops] Link

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  40. Yeah. by NhakSeluj · · Score: 1

    My father did that on Easter Island a few years ago. I wish I had copies of the photos he took.

  41. try this - leave camera on ground by quakemeister · · Score: 2, Funny

    attach yourself to the kite, and take pictures when YOU jump into the air.

    8 meg WMV which has some pretty hairy shots.
    http://www.kitefilm.com/video/completeteas er1_256. wmv

    lots of kite discussions here http://www.kiteforum.com
    including some nice pics in the gallery

    i for one welcome our new kiteboarding overlords.

  42. So how long.... by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    How long does everyone think it will be before someone gets arrested taking pictures of a bridge using a kite? Or maybe they will simply arrest people for flying kites cameras be damned?

    I looked into doing this awhile back myself after having had a BLAST at the beach flying a kite of mine QUITE high. Suspendnig the camera is one issue but something I think could be solved. Figuring out how to remotely trigger it is the PITA. I found one site talking about using a remote control which it looks like this guy is doing too. Getting the camera to not shut down after a shoert time period while you were still getting the kite up in the air might also be a hassle. I've got two crappy digital cams that I'll not ever be using again - one of them looks like it might be perfect for this despite it's crappy resolution.

    Hrm, wonder what a night shot would look like? Put a light stick on the kite to track it maybe? Need to figure out how best to trigger the darned thnig - mechanical servos and whatnot seem silly, there needs to be a way to remotely trigger a switch without alot of extra crap going up with it...

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    1. Re:So how long.... by slim · · Score: 1

      Need to figure out how best to trigger the darned thnig - mechanical servos and whatnot seem silly, there needs to be a way to remotely trigger a switch without alot of extra crap going up with it...

      My last digital camera (Kodak DC200) could be triggered using a serial cable. I looked into making a PIC circuit to do a timed trigger (say, wait 2 mins, then take a picture every 10 seconds) -- but having no experience in such low-level programming, and none of the hardware, I soon shied away from the project.

      Modern cameras can be triggered with USB. I assume it would be a big deal for a hobbyist to make something small that does that.

  43. Don't forget the Estes Astrocam by sdo1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long has the Estes Astrocam been around? I remember playing with one in the 70's. It was an Estes rocket that you actually built (!!!) and it had a nose-cone with a 110 film cartridge type camera. It was a pretty cheap shutter mechanism and even cheaper lens. Getting good results was rare, but when you're 9 years old, it was the epitome of high-tech.

    I think most of the roll ended up being pictures of my hand as I checked out the shutter function, maybe 1 arial shot, and some that misfired when the rocket got back to earth (nothing more frustrating than getting the film developed only to find some sideways pictures of tall grass).

    -S

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  44. where are the pictures from? by fantomas · · Score: 1

    is the 4th one Tintagel, Cornwall (UK)?

    1. Re:where are the pictures from? by mshultz · · Score: 1

      No, my guess is that it is Dunnottar, up in the northeast of Scotland.

  45. Duh... by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

    Following the links in the Archive.org site I've found som interesting things...

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040309130531/www.kaps hop.com/switch.html

    and

    http://www.harbortronics.com/digisnap5000.asp

    So it seems that some cameras can be done remotely without mechanical crap. Never found any of this in my previous research! Apparently, according to one site, some folsk run video cameras up with the kite so they can see what the camera will be taking pics of and even zoom using these dgital switches. Interesting stuff....

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  46. Double French Military by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

    If you're interested in lofting stuff on kites, keep in mind that the original double french military was used for surveillance and is still being used as antennae...

  47. amateurs by xutopia · · Score: 1

    the real pro takes an helicopter around the world and takes nice pictures of what wonders are eroded, destroyed and disapearing because of man.

    1. Re:amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You can't take a helicopter everyplace. Restricted air space rules. Besides, anyone can take a picture out of a helicopter. Not much talent is required. In fact I'd argue no talent is required when compared to the talent needed for a kite cam. Kites are also a lot more environmentally friendly.

      Things are being eroded and disappear, however that has been happening long before man showed up. Nature destroys things and nature is far more efficient at doing it than man is. Just look at what a F-5 tornado does in just a few minutes! Ever see what a volcano does? Man is to blame for some of it, no doubt. Just keep in mind that man is not the only reason. In some cases man had nothing to do with it - Grand Canyon for example.

  48. Remote Controlled air baloon. by asoap · · Score: 1
    Actually, there are remote controlled air baloons that might be good for that. I don't think they work all that well though outdoors. I believe any slight gust will over power it's small motors.

    Regardless though, even with the wind you would atleast have some control.

    -asoap

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  49. Expensive but Very Cool... by ayjay29 · · Score: 1

    Weather Balloon + Tank of Helium + 2 x 3G Video phones.

    Stick the video phone on the balloon.
    Call the other video phone from the balloon phone.
    Let the balloon go.
    Watch the video.

    The 3G network will give great coverage, in Europe you could see the video as the balloon passes between different counries.

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  50. Seems to be down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quick, somebody put up a mirror of the mirror!

  51. Pigeon Aerial Photography by amosl · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've been working on pigeon aerial photography. It's like KAP only you strap a camera to a pigeon. No this is not a joke. In fact the technology is about 100 years old. If you try it at home you'll find out that it's harder than it appears, but not impossible.

  52. Doesn't have to be an "expensive pursuit" by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    This doesn't have to be an "expensive pursuit" Linky, linky. Cost is 30 bucks, plus BYOK (bring your own kite). It uses a disposable camera (included) triggered mechanically by a control line.

  53. From the DHLS by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    DHLS: All your kites and kamerus are now blong to us/US.

    Yakov/Amerikov/Davidov: In Mother USA, Kites bring YOU Down...

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  54. Link-to policies? by jea6 · · Score: 1

    What's the current legal status of link-to policies? Would it be enforceable for me to put a link-to policy prominently on my site that says something like:

    Please ask for permission before you link to me. If you link to me and referrals from your site cause over (volume of traffic), you can be held liable for the cost of bandwidth, etc...

    Not that I'll ever have anything personally slashdotted (although a client did withstand a slashdotfarking). But maybe link-to policies could go hand-in-hand with Privacy Policies as site must-haves.

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    1. Re:Link-to policies? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      There was a lawsuit a while back that was settled out of court that may have some relevance to linking. However, in that case, it involved a website called TotalNEWS making stories from other websites appear like parts of its own pages using frames. News organisations like The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and CNN sued the site and forced them to stop linking to their own sites in a frames fashion. Since it was settled out of court, I presume it hasn't really set legal pecedence, but it did bring up some of the legal implications of linking.

  55. site slashdotted by earthstar · · Score: 1

    the site http://www.thehaefners.com/kap/ has ben slashdotted and is inaccessible.any ideas to access the kite page?

    1. Re:site slashdotted by earthstar · · Score: 1

      The Google cache :
      http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:htCo7o2KQwg J:thehaefners.com/kap/+&hl=en
      isnt of much use...doesnt hav pics.

  56. this system already exists look here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found a company in Spain that offer proffesional services of aereal photografy and other services.

    www.altafoto.com

    ^_^

  57. Inexpensive aerial photography (AP) by xx01dk · · Score: 1

    This is one of my hobbies.

    High-lift model aircraft=$30
    Electronics for said aircraft=~$100-$300
    Cheap 1.3megapixel pocketcam (Aiptek)=~$50
    Transmitter=~$100
    Total=~$280-$480

    Here is a site dedicated to radio controled aircraft and in particular AP.

    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f= 128

    Nothing beats sending up your aircraft (GWS Slowstick in my example) for about 20 minutes at a time, snapping a few dozen pics, landing, and then transfering the pics to your laptop for instant viewing.

    So many different variations on a theme, and some ppl even send up their expensive digitals and there are also video camera options available (Aiptek makes a half-way decent one for $99). You can wire them directly to the rx or simply mount a servo to actuate the shutter. Suprised this hasn't come up--I consider this a major geek hobby. :)

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  58. Model Airplanes! by tucraver · · Score: 2, Funny

    We've been doing this with model airplanes for awhile now. Next Slashdot will be posting links on how to build your own UAV/RPV... It's easy to get some LIVE video using a camera BlackWidowAV.com sells. Combine that with a GPS Autopilot from u-nav.com and you have your own drone. Set waypoints to fly over your neighbors house and feed back live video of what their kids are doing...

    1. Re:Model Airplanes! by VTBassMatt · · Score: 1

      >Set waypoints to fly over your neighbors house and feed back live video of what their kids are doing...

      Or their girlfriends...

  59. Mod parent funny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hilarious shit.

  60. Doesn't need to be spendy by Mike+Miller · · Score: 1

    You can do KAP really cheap. I've built a couple kites (surprisingly easy) and used cheap cameras from ebay to to take lots of photos, including some good ones without fancy rigs or remote controls. I've got pictures of the kites and pictures from the kites up: http://3cats.us/gallery/KAP and links to the other sites that I got help from on building the kites and stuff.

    Odds are you probably already have some of this stuff lying around already.

    Digital camera from ebay $30-100
    555 timer and a bit of solder ~$5
    11ft Kite built from wood and fabric ~$30
    Kite spool and line ~$10-20
    Cool photos from the sky - priceless

    Also, if you are very interested, the American Kite Association is holding their annual convention in Seaside Oregon October 11th through 16th and they have some workshops on KAP and kitebuilding.
    http://aka.kite.org/

    - Mike

  61. This will be very cool... by OrangeTrafficCone · · Score: 1
    ...until Tom Ridge & Co. figure out that this could be used for surveillance by "people they don't want taking pictures of stuff".

    Person: ... flying a kite way up high...
    Gov: Say, do you have a pilot's license for that?
    Person: What, for the kite?
    Gov: Yeah... bring that down here so I can search it for surveillance equipment... can't be too careful nowadays.
    Person: You want to inspect my kite?
    Gov: Sir, turn the string over, and no one gets uncomfortable.
    Person: ...brings kite in...
    Gov: ...inspects kite... finds camera and GPS
    Gov: Sir, you have some explaining to do...

  62. I was thinking about this the other day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I saw the webcam they put on those little rovers from Thinkgeek, here is Here You can see they actually did it.. Note , videos of the experience. They look pretty cool. This cam might actually be light enough!!

  63. HAM RADIO by OrangeTwitch · · Score: 1

    Ham Radio Has been doing this for a LONG time. I attended a speech on it durring a recent trip. I was verry supprised because since they use ATV (amature tv) they can get a EXCELENT picture quality. You can also view video while the kite/baloon is flying.

    They have gone far as going into high altitude/low orbit. The baloons fly all the way up there and stech to about 2.5 times thier origional size and burst. You can see video that is transmited the entire time and its really cool to watch. There are some groups that will launch one for free if you make the payload or for a small fee.