Very true. Various link farms (like SearchKing) conspire to affect pagerank. This, I believe, was at the heart of the whole Searchking noise earlier this year. Google reduced the importance of link farm links in the pagerank algorithm, thereby causing Searchking's ratings to plummet.
If the folks at WhittleBit are smart (and Ian Clarke is, very), they will only let the thumbs up/down ratings affect the current session. Or maybe if the use a login or cookie to uniquely identify users, they could save the ratings for the current user only. Then you couldn't affect other users ratings. At least not AS easily;-).
Perhaps one reason there were so few result returned is the fact that this seems to be more of a proof of concept than a fully functioning engine. Imagine combining a feedback mechanism with an already excellent search like Google. This can't stand alone, but it would be an excellent addition to an engine that already has a huge index.
One thing that does worry me, what about the potential for abuse. Something like a script that connects to whittlebit, searches by a keyword important to your industry, and gives all of your competitors links thumbs-down.
If you want an easy to code PDA platform, try Ewe. It's got a full featured class library, a fast-ass VM, and it runs on anything (PocketPC, Linux, win32, mac). We've been using it to deploy wireless pocketPC apps, and it rocks.
I used to be the exact same way. Then one day, I tried IDEA and work has never been the same. Not free, but very cheap, and so close to JBuilder that there was pretty much no learning curve. And it has alot of the "Enterprise" features that Borland charges 2600 bucks for. Try it, you'll like it;-)
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For win32, try jexegen. It's an MS util that came with some version of J++ or another, but can be obtained on its own now.
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It's so convenient to forget the fact that MS ripped off pretty much their whole IDE look/feel from Borland to begin with. And don't forget that WSAD (which is the same underlying codebase as eclipse) was around before.NET. Nice troll tho'
2. School will end, I will leave, and the next time I meet one of the bullies they will be smiling and saying: "Would you like fries with that, sir?"
This is the best piece of advice my family ever gave me. They said that success beats any physical revenge you can ever get. And you know what? They were RIGHT. The biggest tormentor of the HS that I went to works at a car wash.
Offtopic, but those khakis absolutely rock. I bought a pair just out of curiosity, and was spilling stuff (water mostly, some coffee) on myself all day just because it lworked REALLY well. Amaze your coworkers!
Mainly, it would place an additional support burden on MS that's not really appropriate
Umm, since when does MS support anything to the end user? Unless you are willing to pay per-incident support, they won't talk to you. You have to call your PC vendor, and lots of them are apparently including it anyway.
You really should give Java another look. It absolutely rocks on the server side of things. Heck, even Coldfusion rides on a J2EE server now. Not to mention that half the work has been done by the guys at the jakarta project for you;-)
stop violating the rights of the RIAA and stealing and distributing their property, or face prosecution and legal fees
This is a common misconception. Copying music isn't theft. It is copyright infringement. There is a difference. Intellectual property cannot be "stolen" only infringed upon. It is a minor matter of semantics, but an important one.
And you don't think the incompatibility with other (read: standard) JVM's was a problem? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I just never coded many applets. Been doing JSP since the beginning, but no applets to speak of. I have written a couple of client side applications in java, and found that there are a number of installer builder (installanywhere comes to mind) that do a decent job of making it look like a regular ol' windows application. Of course, with those apps we delivered the JVM we wanted them to use in the installer package.
Thanks for the advice. I'm still kind of new at this, and am quickly learning the pitfalls of being in this position. This has been a very enlightening discussion.
I guess I should have clarified. I am a vendor. When I said hire somebody, I guess alot of folks thought I meant in-house. We provide the kind of outsourcing services that midsize business need. We just don't sell off-the-shelf business apps. We have some common libraries we use (POI for spreadsheet generation, some in house stuff to handle integration with UPS, etc) and we build customer apps from the ground up. But before we get started, we put a consultant in the company for a couple weeks to get a feel for what everybody does, and how we can help.
Depends on the situation. Nightmarish support is a real problem, and systems that end up like that are usually the result of poor planning. And if you need it right now, hiring developers isn't an option. But if you have a little time, a good plan, and talented people, it can work. Shoot, it better, because that's how I make my living;-)
-1 Sarcasm. Geez, what is with all the venom on this site. I'm not saying it is a cure-all, simply one alternative to some of these over-priced packages. Sometimes if you spend the equivalent amount of money on hiring a team, you can get better results. And it's not a
why not hire two developers yourself, build the software and then sell it at half price of the competition to ten companies
situation. The whole point is that you can tailor this approach to your very own needs instead of trying to fit your business into somebody else's software.
Whoopdee fuck. I can call C/C++ libraries just fine with Java, thanks (JNI). But why bother? If you want to use C++ libraries, just code in C++ to begin with. No bytecode, better compilers, no platform lock, yadda yadda yadda. The fact of the matter is that MS only creates languages to sell their platform. Everything MS does is designed from the ground up to lock you in. To think that they don't have a similar plan for C# is just naive.
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What companies like microsoft don't understand is that everybody does this anyway. If your kid needs office for school, most of the time dad just loads the copy that came with his PC. They would make a lot of friends by making family-wide installs permissible. Oh well, I guess that customer touch is part of what makes Apple who they are.
I would argue that a viable standard is already set, has been for a long itme, and is adhered to by companies with alot more clout in the server space than MS.
You have some very valid points. This approach is by no means a cure-all (but hey, what is?). Sometimes it just won't work. But where it will, it beats the hell out of 7 figure license costs.
I'm not talking about hardcore infrastructure here, OK? Buy Oracle, buy Websphere or whatever your application platform of choice is. Then use these tools to build applications that relate to your business. The article was about business applications. Oracle is not a business application. It is a platform, a tool for a skilled developer to use to create your business application.
Then pick a good company to outsource your custom development to. Preferably somebody that has worked with other customers in your industry. Get them to come in, help assess your needs, and recommend a strategy. It probably won't cost more than off the shelf bloatware, and will most likely be more attuned to your needs.
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Very true. Various link farms (like SearchKing) conspire to affect pagerank. This, I believe, was at the heart of the whole Searchking noise earlier this year. Google reduced the importance of link farm links in the pagerank algorithm, thereby causing Searchking's ratings to plummet.
;-).
If the folks at WhittleBit are smart (and Ian Clarke is, very), they will only let the thumbs up/down ratings affect the current session. Or maybe if the use a login or cookie to uniquely identify users, they could save the ratings for the current user only. Then you couldn't affect other users ratings. At least not AS easily
Perhaps one reason there were so few result returned is the fact that this seems to be more of a proof of concept than a fully functioning engine. Imagine combining a feedback mechanism with an already excellent search like Google. This can't stand alone, but it would be an excellent addition to an engine that already has a huge index.
One thing that does worry me, what about the potential for abuse. Something like a script that connects to whittlebit, searches by a keyword important to your industry, and gives all of your competitors links thumbs-down.
If you want an easy to code PDA platform, try Ewe. It's got a full featured class library, a fast-ass VM, and it runs on anything (PocketPC, Linux, win32, mac). We've been using it to deploy wireless pocketPC apps, and it rocks.
I used to be the exact same way. Then one day, I tried IDEA and work has never been the same. Not free, but very cheap, and so close to JBuilder that there was pretty much no learning curve. And it has alot of the "Enterprise" features that Borland charges 2600 bucks for. Try it, you'll like it ;-)
For win32, try jexegen. It's an MS util that came with some version of J++ or another, but can be obtained on its own now.
It's so convenient to forget the fact that MS ripped off pretty much their whole IDE look/feel from Borland to begin with. And don't forget that WSAD (which is the same underlying codebase as eclipse) was around before .NET. Nice troll tho'
I'll join you on the autobiographical tip
2. School will end, I will leave, and the next time I meet one of the bullies they will be smiling and saying: "Would you like fries with that, sir?"
This is the best piece of advice my family ever gave me. They said that success beats any physical revenge you can ever get. And you know what? They were RIGHT. The biggest tormentor of the HS that I went to works at a car wash.
Offtopic, but those khakis absolutely rock. I bought a pair just out of curiosity, and was spilling stuff (water mostly, some coffee) on myself all day just because it lworked REALLY well. Amaze your coworkers!
Mainly, it would place an additional support burden on MS that's not really appropriate
Umm, since when does MS support anything to the end user? Unless you are willing to pay per-incident support, they won't talk to you. You have to call your PC vendor, and lots of them are apparently including it anyway.
You really should give Java another look. It absolutely rocks on the server side of things. Heck, even Coldfusion rides on a J2EE server now. Not to mention that half the work has been done by the guys at the jakarta project for you ;-)
stop violating the rights of the RIAA and stealing and distributing their property, or face prosecution and legal fees
This is a common misconception. Copying music isn't theft. It is copyright infringement. There is a difference. Intellectual property cannot be "stolen" only infringed upon. It is a minor matter of semantics, but an important one.
And you don't think the incompatibility with other (read: standard) JVM's was a problem? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I just never coded many applets. Been doing JSP since the beginning, but no applets to speak of. I have written a couple of client side applications in java, and found that there are a number of installer builder (installanywhere comes to mind) that do a decent job of making it look like a regular ol' windows application. Of course, with those apps we delivered the JVM we wanted them to use in the installer package.
It's never safe, that is what makes it interesting ;-)
Thanks for the advice. I'm still kind of new at this, and am quickly learning the pitfalls of being in this position. This has been a very enlightening discussion.
I guess I should have clarified. I am a vendor. When I said hire somebody, I guess alot of folks thought I meant in-house. We provide the kind of outsourcing services that midsize business need. We just don't sell off-the-shelf business apps. We have some common libraries we use (POI for spreadsheet generation, some in house stuff to handle integration with UPS, etc) and we build customer apps from the ground up. But before we get started, we put a consultant in the company for a couple weeks to get a feel for what everybody does, and how we can help.
Depends on the situation. Nightmarish support is a real problem, and systems that end up like that are usually the result of poor planning. And if you need it right now, hiring developers isn't an option. But if you have a little time, a good plan, and talented people, it can work. Shoot, it better, because that's how I make my living ;-)
-1 Sarcasm. Geez, what is with all the venom on this site. I'm not saying it is a cure-all, simply one alternative to some of these over-priced packages. Sometimes if you spend the equivalent amount of money on hiring a team, you can get better results. And it's not a
why not hire two developers yourself, build the software and then sell it at half price of the competition to ten companies
situation. The whole point is that you can tailor this approach to your very own needs instead of trying to fit your business into somebody else's software.
Whoopdee fuck. I can call C/C++ libraries just fine with Java, thanks (JNI). But why bother? If you want to use C++ libraries, just code in C++ to begin with. No bytecode, better compilers, no platform lock, yadda yadda yadda. The fact of the matter is that MS only creates languages to sell their platform. Everything MS does is designed from the ground up to lock you in. To think that they don't have a similar plan for C# is just naive.
What companies like microsoft don't understand is that everybody does this anyway. If your kid needs office for school, most of the time dad just loads the copy that came with his PC. They would make a lot of friends by making family-wide installs permissible. Oh well, I guess that customer touch is part of what makes Apple who they are.
Unfortunately, it is all of the "extensions" that MS is going to put into the language that will make it irrelevant as an open standard.
I would argue that a viable standard is already set, has been for a long itme, and is adhered to by companies with alot more clout in the server space than MS.
You have some very valid points. This approach is by no means a cure-all (but hey, what is?). Sometimes it just won't work. But where it will, it beats the hell out of 7 figure license costs.
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. A small, fast moving, responsive team to get the job done.
I'm not talking about hardcore infrastructure here, OK? Buy Oracle, buy Websphere or whatever your application platform of choice is. Then use these tools to build applications that relate to your business. The article was about business applications. Oracle is not a business application. It is a platform, a tool for a skilled developer to use to create your business application.
Then pick a good company to outsource your custom development to. Preferably somebody that has worked with other customers in your industry. Get them to come in, help assess your needs, and recommend a strategy. It probably won't cost more than off the shelf bloatware, and will most likely be more attuned to your needs.