I've wondered for a while what the point was. For the price of some of these packages, you can hire 2 developers (or more!) for a year and get them to code an application that does EXACTLY what you want. As long as you stick with a fairly standard architecture and document it well it should be just as effective. Using components that have already been developed (such as various jakarta subprojects) can really speed projects like these and make them worthwhile. Most importantly, it is custom tailored for your business.
Exactly. The bytecode format is what MS claims is "Open". Never mind the little fact that without a full library implementation it means absolutely nothing.
And therein lies the true beauty of open source. If you want support, just do it (Somebody probably will). The more platforms Java runs on, the better.
I guess that all depends on what license the Open-source version is released under. In reality, Microsoft has already killed client side Java. Fortunately, the server is another animal altogether. I don't know a single Java developer that would ever consider using a MS Java implementation. Lastly, I don't see what volume has to do with MS corrupting an open source Java.
With so many java API implementations being open source (JBoss, Tomcat), it only makes sense to create an open source version of the core platform. This would go a long way to combat.NET, which claims to be an open standard.
Very astute. Thanks. I totally missed that. This underscores one of the major problems with law today. The congresscritters/lawyers/lobbyists are rapidly turning the language of law into one that the common man cannot understand. Kind of like medieval priests that kept their flock illiterate so that they control them with words they cannot read. Very disturbing.
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That family license is an awesome idea. I wish I could buy PC software that way (what little proprietary stuff I use, anyway). One purchase covers the whole fam. With multi-computer households becoming incresingly common, how long until this becomes standard?
I agree 100%. This bill merely educates the public about, and enforces existing copyright law. Nothing particularly onerous about that. Now copyright law itself needs attention, but that is another matter altogether.
That is my approach today. I run a small consulting company that develops web applications on top of open source platforms (mostly linux/apache/tomcat and assorted jakarta projects). If we need a feature that isn't there, I hack it in and we move on.
Open source guys tend to code toward the features they need only, but if you paid them to implement features you need, I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem doing that
Actually, this is pretty common in some projects. a couple of the main developers of Apache POI (a java library for creating excel spreadsheets and word docs) will gladly add features/fix bugs/whatever you need immediately if you are willing to pay for it. Matter of fact, one of them has a company that makes its money off of supporting/integrating/improving the software. This is a kick-ass model, it encourages OSS, and rewards developers that are involved with actual money.
What are you smoking? Ever heard of the first amendment?
If you don't want to publish a reply, just don't, then the person who wants to have a reply published can go to court, and they decide whether the reply has to be published.
So you still have to go to court. Why not just sue for libel and avoid this stupid legislation to begin with?
That isn't a restriction of speech. It is a limitation on being heard. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it guarantee a right to be heard. You have a right to speak, but I have a right to ignore you. I do agree that large mainstream media needs to be curtailed, but not this way. This idea is too broad. It would require me to adhere to ROR in my PERSONAL weblog, or you on your homepage. That is damaging.
While I agree that the old 32bit/33Mhz PCI is severly lacking. It's not like the standard has been at a standstill. We've gotten 32bit/66Mhz and 64bit/33Mhz flavors, both of which double the bandwidth of standard PCI, and we have PCI-X (although I will fully admit to being ignorant of what the fuck it is). Although for apps like HDTV and 10Gb Ethernet, any flavor of PCI starts to lack. Additionally, these should eventually make computers cheaper/smaller due to a much lower number of traces that have to be put on the motherboard.
How is forcing somebody to allow a response by the person they discuss NOT free speech?
Simple. If I force you to say it, it wasn't freely said. I don't mind it so much against giant corporations, but it doesn't just apply to them. It applies to my weblog, your homepage, any kind of internet site. That is wrong. I don't have any more leverage than you do, why the hell should I have to waste my resources to promote YOUR views?
You may have a point, but it isn't worth the sacrifice. In the US, free speech is our most treasured right. ANY attempt to restrain it will not be tolerated. Sure, companies are free to spread FUD, bash each other's products, etc. But If you don't think this happens EVERYWHERE that capitalism is permitted, you are a fool. What makes you think that the published response will be "truth"? If you rely on the media to make your decisions for you, you need to start paying more attention.
You do have a point, but I still like java for learning over pascal, smalltalk, etc. Mostly because of all the implementations available. Not to mention IDE's, freely available source examples, TONS of tutorials, the Jakarta project (home of Tomcat) etc, etc, etc. There is also the matter of real world applicability. If the little bugger really gets it, Java is very widely used, and will probably be so for a while. Of course, it is more important to teach good foundation skills than any one language.
Learning to code is so much easier with a good structured language. Download the JDK from sun (free as in beer). That and a text editor gets you started. If you want a pretty IDE, Eclipse, Forte4J, and Borland jBuilder personal edition are all free downloads, and are fairly full featured. I am teaching my nephew to program using these tools. So far, he is picking it up fairly quickly. For teaching, I think that a strongly typed language makes it easier.
Real-Time OS's are typically used in industrial control. RTOS's can guarantee that a given instruction will be executed in a given time frame (no/low latency). This is different from a typical OS, which cannot make those kinds of guarantees. This is very important for things like industrial robots, where inaccuracies in movement timing are catastrophic. Why it matters in the PS2+ is a mystery to me.
Actually, your standard issue latex dish gloves would do just fine. Latex is such a great insulator, it doesn't take much to stop a charge. On that note, could you just cover your whole body with enogh liquid latex to do the job? Or maybe a vinyl Gimp-suit? Of course, I think that would instantly peg you as somebody to be avoided
Did you even read the article? There aren't going to be any explosives at all on these missions (if approved). They use the PENETRATION technology of "Bunker Busters" to bury sensors under the moon's surface, and those sensors look for water/life/whatever and send the data home.
And by the way, bombs don't generally need atmospheric oxygen, the oxidizer is part of the explosive compound.
I'm not kidding myself. I have no high opinion of this community's influence. They have no more influence than any random group of comparable size. However, 500000+ users is a lot of fucking people. If even 1% of those are in a position to recommend products, that is still 5000 potential customers that are stupid to ignore. All SCO is doing is digging its own grave. Of course the company has probably been dead for a while, and this is simply an exit strategy for the investors.
You don't think the legions of systems engineers/administrators/developers/technical managers/etc have some collective buying power? I think that is an incorrect assessment of the situation. Slashdot has 500000+ users, and I'll bet at least half are in a position to influence technology purchases, if not make them outright.
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Good point. I guess I was thinking like a developer, not a manager ;-)
I've wondered for a while what the point was. For the price of some of these packages, you can hire 2 developers (or more!) for a year and get them to code an application that does EXACTLY what you want. As long as you stick with a fairly standard architecture and document it well it should be just as effective. Using components that have already been developed (such as various jakarta subprojects) can really speed projects like these and make them worthwhile. Most importantly, it is custom tailored for your business.
Exactly. The bytecode format is what MS claims is "Open". Never mind the little fact that without a full library implementation it means absolutely nothing.
And therein lies the true beauty of open source. If you want support, just do it (Somebody probably will). The more platforms Java runs on, the better.
I guess that all depends on what license the Open-source version is released under. In reality, Microsoft has already killed client side Java. Fortunately, the server is another animal altogether. I don't know a single Java developer that would ever consider using a MS Java implementation. Lastly, I don't see what volume has to do with MS corrupting an open source Java.
Enlighten me.
With so many java API implementations being open source (JBoss, Tomcat), it only makes sense to create an open source version of the core platform. This would go a long way to combat .NET, which claims to be an open standard.
Very astute. Thanks. I totally missed that. This underscores one of the major problems with law today. The congresscritters/lawyers/lobbyists are rapidly turning the language of law into one that the common man cannot understand. Kind of like medieval priests that kept their flock illiterate so that they control them with words they cannot read. Very disturbing.
That family license is an awesome idea. I wish I could buy PC software that way (what little proprietary stuff I use, anyway). One purchase covers the whole fam. With multi-computer households becoming incresingly common, how long until this becomes standard?
I agree 100%. This bill merely educates the public about, and enforces existing copyright law. Nothing particularly onerous about that. Now copyright law itself needs attention, but that is another matter altogether.
That is my approach today. I run a small consulting company that develops web applications on top of open source platforms (mostly linux/apache/tomcat and assorted jakarta projects). If we need a feature that isn't there, I hack it in and we move on.
Open source guys tend to code toward the features they need only, but if you paid them to implement features you need, I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem doing that
Actually, this is pretty common in some projects. a couple of the main developers of Apache POI (a java library for creating excel spreadsheets and word docs) will gladly add features/fix bugs/whatever you need immediately if you are willing to pay for it. Matter of fact, one of them has a company that makes its money off of supporting/integrating/improving the software. This is a kick-ass model, it encourages OSS, and rewards developers that are involved with actual money.
it doesn't guarantee freedom of speech
What are you smoking? Ever heard of the first amendment?
If you don't want to publish a reply, just don't, then the person who wants to have a reply published can go to court, and they decide whether the reply has to be published.
So you still have to go to court. Why not just sue for libel and avoid this stupid legislation to begin with?
That isn't a restriction of speech. It is a limitation on being heard. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it guarantee a right to be heard. You have a right to speak, but I have a right to ignore you. I do agree that large mainstream media needs to be curtailed, but not this way. This idea is too broad. It would require me to adhere to ROR in my PERSONAL weblog, or you on your homepage. That is damaging.
While I agree that the old 32bit/33Mhz PCI is severly lacking. It's not like the standard has been at a standstill. We've gotten 32bit/66Mhz and 64bit/33Mhz flavors, both of which double the bandwidth of standard PCI, and we have PCI-X (although I will fully admit to being ignorant of what the fuck it is). Although for apps like HDTV and 10Gb Ethernet, any flavor of PCI starts to lack. Additionally, these should eventually make computers cheaper/smaller due to a much lower number of traces that have to be put on the motherboard.
How is forcing somebody to allow a response by the person they discuss NOT free speech?
Simple. If I force you to say it, it wasn't freely said. I don't mind it so much against giant corporations, but it doesn't just apply to them. It applies to my weblog, your homepage, any kind of internet site. That is wrong. I don't have any more leverage than you do, why the hell should I have to waste my resources to promote YOUR views?
How is forcing somebody (be it company or individual) to make somebody else's voice heard free speech? I think it is you that doesn't "Get it"
You may have a point, but it isn't worth the sacrifice. In the US, free speech is our most treasured right. ANY attempt to restrain it will not be tolerated. Sure, companies are free to spread FUD, bash each other's products, etc. But If you don't think this happens EVERYWHERE that capitalism is permitted, you are a fool. What makes you think that the published response will be "truth"? If you rely on the media to make your decisions for you, you need to start paying more attention.
You do have a point, but I still like java for learning over pascal, smalltalk, etc. Mostly because of all the implementations available. Not to mention IDE's, freely available source examples, TONS of tutorials, the Jakarta project (home of Tomcat) etc, etc, etc. There is also the matter of real world applicability. If the little bugger really gets it, Java is very widely used, and will probably be so for a while. Of course, it is more important to teach good foundation skills than any one language.
Learning to code is so much easier with a good structured language. Download the JDK from sun (free as in beer). That and a text editor gets you started. If you want a pretty IDE, Eclipse, Forte4J, and Borland jBuilder personal edition are all free downloads, and are fairly full featured. I am teaching my nephew to program using these tools. So far, he is picking it up fairly quickly. For teaching, I think that a strongly typed language makes it easier.
Real-Time OS's are typically used in industrial control. RTOS's can guarantee that a given instruction will be executed in a given time frame (no/low latency). This is different from a typical OS, which cannot make those kinds of guarantees. This is very important for things like industrial robots, where inaccuracies in movement timing are catastrophic. Why it matters in the PS2+ is a mystery to me.
Actually, your standard issue latex dish gloves would do just fine. Latex is such a great insulator, it doesn't take much to stop a charge. On that note, could you just cover your whole body with enogh liquid latex to do the job? Or maybe a vinyl Gimp-suit? Of course, I think that would instantly peg you as somebody to be avoided
Did you even read the article? There aren't going to be any explosives at all on these missions (if approved). They use the PENETRATION technology of "Bunker Busters" to bury sensors under the moon's surface, and those sensors look for water/life/whatever and send the data home.
And by the way, bombs don't generally need atmospheric oxygen, the oxidizer is part of the explosive compound.
I'm not kidding myself. I have no high opinion of this community's influence. They have no more influence than any random group of comparable size. However, 500000+ users is a lot of fucking people. If even 1% of those are in a position to recommend products, that is still 5000 potential customers that are stupid to ignore. All SCO is doing is digging its own grave. Of course the company has probably been dead for a while, and this is simply an exit strategy for the investors.
Nice troll. I'll go ahead and bite.
You don't think the legions of systems engineers/administrators/developers/technical managers/etc have some collective buying power? I think that is an incorrect assessment of the situation. Slashdot has 500000+ users, and I'll bet at least half are in a position to influence technology purchases, if not make them outright.
Shit, their webserver is tanked after less than 30 comments. I wonder if they are running their server on a GBA.......