Well, my experience has been completely different. The last 5 years have been the "Open"-nest period for MS. XP and 2003 are solid systems, working with Office files are actually possible(with XML exports), IIS 6 is reasonably secure, and.NET is a productive development platform for millions of developers. If you dont understand it, its not their fault!
More importantly, is the feedback you can directly provide to MS devs- most of the key people blog a lot. Lots of commentators have influenced decisions made by MS in the past 5 years.
Well, I'll leave it to the Opera zealots to post lists of features, but i'll give only one reason.
It has the most responsive UI I have seen in a graphical program. It's the vi of browsers; tremendously powerful, yet small and nimble. And its a class apart on under-specced machines - Firefox doesnt even compare.
I have used the latest versions of firefox, Maxthon etc.. I'm not switching from Opera.
I'm not an HP exec, but here oges
Here's the new machine specs.
And this is the Linux equivalent, circa 2001.
Now which one would you take?
It's just a nice x86 machine in a dvd-player form-factor, with manufacturer-supplied drivers for all the components.
I've been using Linux for years, but what value is linux going to add for a machine like this? the MTBF,cust satisfaction is all a load of bull.
Well if you look at this page here, they do say validation has to be done in both client & server.
The question is what happens in the client after your request has been validated - they believe that a page submit/refresh should not be done, it should be done as it is in thick-client apps. Pop a messagebox, show your errors in a status bar, whatever. That's not a bad idea, really.
I actually feel its kinda complementary to the Unix shell environment. This looks more like VBA on steroids, the.NETized version probably. Passing around structures has been done in MS world for a long-time - excel sheet processing, macro viruses etc.
I think similar results can be achieved using DCOP/KDE or the GNOME equivalent, probably KDE , GNOME hackers can comment on that.
You mentioned it yourself:) you run Gentoo. Its a distro, though you build from source etc. There is a coherent set of scripts,libraries, roadmap, patch schedules and the like. And a single software repository , tested/verified/managed by a single entity.
A typical enterprise software stack includes DB, App server, Dev tools, Monitoring software, and a dozen other things that I missed out. Each one of these might require a common C runtime, networking libs, and lots of other helper libraries.
Each one of these is potentially delivered by different vendors, who have independent release cycles, patches etc.
How do you tie in this whole lot? Let each vendor bundle in his own libraries ? In addition you have libraries with various distribution licenses with a myriad of clauses.
Things like LSB and Unitedlinux help to a certain extent- however its still cost-effective to target a specific vendor's distro. Remember cost- that's still the biggest consideration.
There's no fud there. Its a valid opinion, from a business standpoint.
Ever seen big RDBMSes, App servers or any substantial business solution offered on anything except Redhat or Suse? Nope. Appmakers need to target a platform.
They cant afford to specify glibc 2.234, Make 43.23, autoblah 23.. etc.; nobody in a enterprise setting would bother cobbling together all these little things and making them work. Moreover, distros tweak their libs quite a bit nowadays - its near impossible to test dozens of combinations for compatibility.
You can already download for free, Oracle for Linux,Windows and a few more platforms. All you need is an OTN membership. However its only for Non-production use i.e. you cant run your business off it.
As for Open-sourcing the DB engine, you can keep dreaming though..
That company from Redmond, bought the tech from Sybase; the toy database you didnt mention is certainly capable, and is more than adequate for small-medium sites. Unless you meant Access.
And Oracle is already the 'Oracle' of linux, it was among the first enterprise DBs available, and lots of Oracle internal sites already run on RHEL.
This move by Sybase is mostly just a tease- you would probably need to buy a license if you need anything that requires Sybase's capabilities. Even Oracle will mail you a full devkit, with the enterprise DB+all the goodies. However I cant imagine anyone using this in Production boxes.
Sybase has a nice niche among banks and some large datawarehouse-type environments. It is an order of magnitude easier if you're from an Oracle-Db2 background.
IANAJP, but I guess its the MVC, Smalltalk-ish, cross-platformish nature of it. True that the default look sucks, the rendering is slow as molasses, but its designed well, IMHO. It looks pretty on Macs, supposedly.
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That's what they wanted you to think :P
Its apple bytes, so they are smaller and tastier.
Hire a monkey. Or a college student if you want cheaper.
IAWTP.
things like SecurID were invented.. 2-factor authentification eliminates most of these special requirements.
Well, my experience has been completely different. The last 5 years have been the "Open"-nest period for MS. XP and 2003 are solid systems, working with Office files are actually possible(with XML exports), IIS 6 is reasonably secure, and .NET is a productive development platform for millions of developers. If you dont understand it, its not their fault!
More importantly, is the feedback you can directly provide to MS devs- most of the key people blog a lot. Lots of commentators have influenced decisions made by MS in the past 5 years.
The parent comment is just irrational blather.
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Well, I'll leave it to the Opera zealots to post lists of features, but i'll give only one reason.
It has the most responsive UI I have seen in a graphical program. It's the vi of browsers; tremendously powerful, yet small and nimble. And its a class apart on under-specced machines - Firefox doesnt even compare.
I have used the latest versions of firefox, Maxthon etc.. I'm not switching from Opera.
Netcraft confirms, Single sign-on is dying!
Wow. they've got prolog interpreters posting on slashdot now..
More importantly, its usefulness to less-powered systems like Zaurus and ipaq. Evas runs on Zaurus, and looks beautiful.
I'm not an HP exec, but here oges
Here's the new machine specs.
And this is the Linux equivalent, circa 2001.
Now which one would you take?
It's just a nice x86 machine in a dvd-player form-factor, with manufacturer-supplied drivers for all the components.
I've been using Linux for years, but what value is linux going to add for a machine like this? the MTBF,cust satisfaction is all a load of bull.
Well if you look at this page here, they do say validation has to be done in both client & server.
The question is what happens in the client after your request has been validated - they believe that a page submit/refresh should not be done, it should be done as it is in thick-client apps. Pop a messagebox, show your errors in a status bar, whatever. That's not a bad idea, really.
He *is* saying it is a Page-based model! He is saying there's a better way to do it than doing a page submit/refresh for a validation.
I actually feel its kinda complementary to the Unix shell environment. This looks more like VBA on steroids, the .NETized version probably. Passing around structures has been done in MS world for a long-time - excel sheet processing, macro viruses etc.
I think similar results can be achieved using DCOP/KDE or the GNOME equivalent, probably KDE , GNOME hackers can comment on that.
You mentioned it yourself :) you run Gentoo. Its a distro, though you build from source etc. There is a coherent set of scripts,libraries, roadmap, patch schedules and the like. And a single software repository , tested/verified/managed by a single entity.
A typical enterprise software stack includes DB, App server, Dev tools, Monitoring software, and a dozen other things that I missed out.
Each one of these might require a common C runtime, networking libs, and lots of other helper libraries.
Each one of these is potentially delivered by different vendors, who have independent release cycles, patches etc.
How do you tie in this whole lot? Let each vendor bundle in his own libraries ? In addition you have libraries with various distribution licenses with a myriad of clauses.
Things like LSB and Unitedlinux help to a certain extent- however its still cost-effective to target a specific vendor's distro. Remember cost- that's still the biggest consideration.
There's no fud there. Its a valid opinion, from a business standpoint.
Ever seen big RDBMSes, App servers or any substantial business solution offered on anything except Redhat or Suse? Nope. Appmakers need to target a platform.
They cant afford to specify glibc 2.234, Make 43.23, autoblah 23.. etc.; nobody in a enterprise setting would bother cobbling together all these little things and making them work. Moreover, distros tweak their libs quite a bit nowadays - its near impossible to test dozens of combinations for compatibility.
only 512 meg of ram
*Looks at the ancient rig on the desk, closes tab mumbling about rich kids these days...
Microsoft did consider buying SAP, but has given up and bought Great Plains.
You can already download for free, Oracle for Linux,Windows and a few more platforms. All you need is an OTN membership. However its only for Non-production use i.e. you cant run your business off it.
As for Open-sourcing the DB engine, you can keep dreaming though..
That company from Redmond, bought the tech from Sybase; the toy database you didnt mention is certainly capable, and is more than adequate for small-medium sites. Unless you meant Access.
And Oracle is already the 'Oracle' of linux, it was among the first enterprise DBs available, and lots of Oracle internal sites already run on RHEL.
This move by Sybase is mostly just a tease- you would probably need to buy a license if you need anything that requires Sybase's capabilities.
Even Oracle will mail you a full devkit, with the enterprise DB+all the goodies. However I cant imagine anyone using this in Production boxes.
Sybase has a nice niche among banks and some large datawarehouse-type environments. It is an order of magnitude easier if you're from an Oracle-Db2 background.
How much Ducts would a Duck tape if a Duck could tape Ducts ?
IANAJP, but I guess its the MVC, Smalltalk-ish, cross-platformish nature of it. True that the default look sucks, the rendering is slow as molasses, but its designed well, IMHO.
It looks pretty on Macs, supposedly.
Most importantly, SQL Server tech from Sybase...