Speaking of that mirror, I just saw a Discovery/Learning Channel thingy called something like "What if there were no moon?" I can't remember the specifics, I was a little inebriated at the time, but it was a damn cool show.
Anyhoo, to get to the meat of my comment, the show tells us that the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of about an inch or so a year. Could it be possible that NASA is testing their new laser propulsion system on the moon and pushing it away from us?;)
First, forgive me for not making a very good argument.
Second, logically, assumptions may be used to keep the speaker from having to go too deep into details. For instance, if I say that the ocean is blue, than that is an assumption. If my argument is that the ocean is blue, than I had better say why. When one bases an argument on a premise, he or she must be able to provide proof for that premise, or logically, the argument is invalid.
Below, my faulty assumption is spelled out, just as you would read it in the Constitution of the United States. It says no where in the first amendment that anonymity is a component of free speech. The sixth amendment goes on to say one of the few things about anonymity that is mentioned in the Constitution. Yes, the sixth amendment speaks of criminal proceedings, in a court of law, and we are discussing the rights of the individual. Where are those rights determined? In a court of law. Anonymity is a priveledge, freedom of speech is a right, and the only reason freedom of speech is a right and not a priveledge, is because of the Constitution.
Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment 6: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
"Given the importance of anonymity as a component of free speech, the cost of banning anonymous Internet speech would be enor-mous. It makes no sense to treat Internet speech differently from printed leaflets or books. "
Lovely little quote to describe a concept isn't it. I am just thrilled to see someone base an argument on an assumption. Little things like logic need not apply here. As long as we can say "Given" preceeding any assumtion, then the assumption must be true, right?
Apparently it is safe to assume that anything printed in a fancy briefing paper is true. Let me ask you first amendment thumpers out there, "Did Thomas Jefferson and the rest of our constitutional fathers add an amendment to the bill of rights guaranteeing anonymity?" In fact, I believe the constitution does say something about the accused having the right to confront their accuser. Also, the printed word does not guarantee anonymity either. I'm sure the New York Times or the Washington Post are fascinated by this new idea of publishing stories without bylines, and then claiming innocence when hit with a libel suit.
We should probably get rid of prisons too then, because there is too high a chance of getting the wrong person. But then again, spending your life in a 6' x 8' box isn't so bad is it?
This argument has gone round and round on these message boards for as long as I can remember being here. What's the point? But for the sake of argument...
MAC is to NT as NT is to Linux.
Mac users say to NT users that Mac is "easy to use". NT users say to Mac users, "Yeah, until it breaks, then try and fix it".
NT users say to Linux users that NT is "easy to use". Linux users say to NT users, "Yeah, until it BSOD's, then try and fix it"...
Comparatively...compared to film quality anim software...3DSMax is cheap. I haven't seen anything for Linux, but I've only been keeping an eye out, not really looking. I have to think that any good animation product out there is commerical AND expensive. It's kinda like asking an inexpensive product to be able to do what AutoCAD 14 can do. I seem to remember something called "Lightwave"? and it was $1500. Anybody out there got any ideas?
I wouldn't necessarily limit yourself to film. I do think filmmakers play with the neatest newest technology, but perhaps you might want to get your feet wet first. Most companies worth their salt won't look at a newly graduated student without some production (as in making a finished product, not producing film) experience.
The company that I work for has a wonderful graphics department full of lots of toys. They've done some stuff with basic animation tools that just blows my mind. Who ever thought animating engineering designs was so sexy.
Using 3D Studio Max, they downloaded a 3D map of an area they want to build a bridge on. Then they imported the bridge design from AutoCAD, slapped some cars on there and flew the camera around the bridge for snicks. They do this stuff all the time to show clients what a finished product will look like.
The beautiful thing for graphic designers, especially the ones with some animation in their background, is that dozens of companies are doing this. I'd suggest trying to find a company that makes 3D anims for business development and soak some experience.
Thank you/. for making Meta Moderating available. This user comment is an exremely rational and valid viewpoint, and whoever the moderator who labeled it 'Troll' is, should be relieved of his or her duties.
I happen to agree with the viewpoint of the author of this comment, and I also believe that anonymity, unlike privacy, is not a right. Why does everyone have to equate anonymity to privacy? If one is in the privacy of one's own home, one is not necessarily anonymous.
Public interaction has never been anonymous, and comparing buying a cup of coffee to spouting political opinions is apples and oranges. Sure one can walk down the street and harm no one and no one will take notice, but as soon as others are affected by an anonymous stroll in the park, I assure you that anonymity is out the door. You can go ahead and make your case about how you should be able to steal other's credit card numbers and passwords and pass them around to the world anonymously, but I and every other rational person on this planet is going to want to find out who you are.
One may remain anonymous as long as one is not infringing on others rights, but after the point of infringement, people are going to want an identity to point to. Even if one's name is on a list, with one's address and other such information, one will retain anonymity because no one else will care until they are bothered.
And for all you anonymous cowards out there, you can be sure that no one is going to try to find out who you are, until you do something stupid. As soon as someone posts a threat to kill the President as AC, the Secret Service will be banging down Andover's doors with a warrant insisting to find out who exactly posted the offending message. And they will find out. (please note, all you echelon operators, that this note is in no way, shape or form, a threat upon the President of the United States!:) ).
What do you want? $600 a week for an internship? Lessee, last I remember, $600 a week boils down to about 30K a year, interns aren't real employees and do no real work. Ask Asok. Interns climb through air ducts so that the boss can tell where they go. Quit complaining that you make 30 G's a year without a college degree. Why don't you ask your local McDonald's employee if he or she'd like to switch places with you.
Oh boy are you getting screwed. Of course many small companies will try to keep the wool over your eyes because they don't want/cant pay a real salary. Of course, a certain amount of Rock Stardom helps the salary level, but I'm makeing 30% more than you are fixing desktops(primary responsibility, but I make it a point to stick my nose in everything). I do have my MCSE, but that's only a foot in the door type of thing. You might want to look for a computer services company such as IBM, EDS or Perot Systems. They get all the hot shots and pay commensurately.
I think you missed my point. The question was about what type of client should the user be able to use with an app. My point is that apps should be developed so that it doesn't matter what client you use. One shouldn't limit one's self to activex controls and javabeans...
I don't think the internet is a "Brain Drain". In fact, I think the internet is a Brain Enhancer. If we didn't have the internet, all of those brilliant people working in our universities would still be forced to disseminate their research via paper. The old publishing techniques were holding back the growth of technology in the same manner as hand written books before Gutenberg invented the printing press. The internet is just a tool, and programmers are tool-makers. Most software and hardware pertaining to the internet are not consumer goods. You are not producing cars or boats or blankets or food. This is not to say that tool making is not important, but don't believe for a second that all the good brains are working in the computer industry. I have a friend studying neuro-biology at the University of Illinois, and he is perhaps the smartest person I have ever met. He uses the internet, as a tool. It helps him communicate with the hundreds of others that are doing similar research around the world.
I'll even gather that that politician you talked to is much smarter that you believe. I've learned that people do not get to lofty career positions by being stupid. Because this guy does not think like a programmer does not mean he's dim. Of course, that's not to say that I respect his choice of career. Certainly he's not as smart as McNealy, but your really smart types are positioning themselves to run/own companies, not become President. It's too much hassle, and it doesn't pay squat. I'll probably be raking in more in a year than the President does before I'm eligible to be Pres-o-dent (age).
If you really want to do some thin client apps, why bother with the client at all? Forget about the client completely, spend the money on a fat ass server to do ALL the processing. There is no reason for the client to do anything at all but to display info and accept input. Amazon is a perfect example. Hell, you can order books with a Palm Pilot now. The clients don't get much more thin than that.
You don't need Java, you don't need cgi, all you need to do is process your info and publish it in html. Get the job done with bandwidth and processor power. Damn! Yankees just won again...
...this matter. You'all need to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself what you are doing to make the world a better place to live. I believe that social Darwinism is a valid theory too, but I don't try to perpetuate it. I spend a few hours a month helping a local United Way organization that specializes in providing mentors for disadvantaged youth (read: kids growing up in the 'hood).
Check out a web site called "http://www.tutormentorconnection.org". It may just open your eyes a little as to what these children have to deal with on a daily basis. It's hard to think of how difficult it can be to have technological prowess if you had your first computer at the age of 8. I feel that it's very important to start early with children when it comes to technology. Kind of like learning a new language. You know how children pick up languages like they would a ball in the yard? Same goes with computers. None of you Linux gurus (or at least very few of you) got as good as you are by firing up a computer for the first time at the age of 20.
I try to remind myself often that the reason I have a job is because of people described in that bunch of jokes, and that I should not make fun because they provide my livelyhood...But pardon my french, that is some funny shit. I just spent the last 30 minutes crying laughing...
Destroying the planet
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I love to see edumacated individuals complain about the adverse effects that human beings have inflicted upon our fair planet.
What most fail to tell you is that they really never bother to research their arguments. Most environmental arguments are based in emotion, not fact.
Granted, the human race has done quite a bit of ecological damage to the environment, LOCALLY. There will be no major ecological disaster. The whole idea that man is significant enough to permanantly damage this planet is preposterous. That goes not just for the planet, but for the life that is living on the planet. Like Crichton postulates in Jurassic Park, life WILL overcome. There's a reason why weeds grow in your sidewalk, because they are hard to kill.
Look, we've detonated hundreds of nuclear weapons, set Kuwait on fire for a year, herded millions of methane bloated cattle, burned millions upon millions of tons of fossil fuels...and yet, when Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philipines a few years ago, it's been said that more carbon dioxide was expelled into the atmosphere by that eruption than man has created in his entire existance.
Face it people, we are but insignificant bugs on the face of this big rock. A thousand years after humans become extinct, you'll hardly be able to tell we were here at all.
You lost me there...what does the above configuration have to do with what we're talking about...unless of course you add a price...but I bought a K6-200 2 years ago (well, almost 2 years). Great chip...
Honestly, I don't think any of us are qualified to judge one processor over the other. The only thing we have to base our opinions on are random readings from the trades. Unless you (and I'm not saying I have) have run the same benchmark software on the same chip under the same OS, there cannot be a straight out comparison.
My argument is that strict price/power comparison is not possible for apple to make between their machines and an intel/amd machine. They build too much "margin" into their price.
For a geek, it's just not worth the money. Maybe the kitzch, but not the money...
I like the spread out comparison. An earlier post mentioned processor cache of Celeron v. G3. I'll give you that cache is important. Consider a similar Compaq or IBM with an AMD then? Cache would not be the issue, and price would be about the same...
Slashdot Mirror
An inanimate carbon rod!
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?
Speaking of that mirror, I just saw a Discovery/Learning Channel thingy called something like "What if there were no moon?" I can't remember the specifics, I was a little inebriated at the time, but it was a damn cool show.
;)
Anyhoo, to get to the meat of my comment, the show tells us that the moon is moving away from the earth at a rate of about an inch or so a year. Could it be possible that NASA is testing their new laser propulsion system on the moon and pushing it away from us?
First, forgive me for not making a very good argument.
Second, logically, assumptions may be used to keep the speaker from having to go too deep into details. For instance, if I say that the ocean is blue, than that is an assumption. If my argument is that the ocean is blue, than I had better say why. When one bases an argument on a premise, he or she must be able to provide proof for that premise, or logically, the argument is invalid.
Below, my faulty assumption is spelled out, just as you would read it in the Constitution of the United States. It says no where in the first amendment that anonymity is a component of free speech. The sixth amendment goes on to say one of the few things about anonymity that is mentioned in the Constitution. Yes, the sixth amendment speaks of criminal proceedings, in a court of law, and we are discussing the rights of the individual. Where are those rights determined? In a court of law. Anonymity is a priveledge, freedom of speech is a right, and the only reason freedom of speech is a right and not a priveledge, is because of the Constitution.
Amendment 1:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment 6:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
"Given the importance of anonymity as a component of free speech, the cost of banning anonymous Internet speech would be enor-mous. It makes no sense to treat Internet speech differently from printed leaflets or books. "
Lovely little quote to describe a concept isn't it. I am just thrilled to see someone base an argument on an assumption. Little things like logic need not apply here. As long as we can say "Given" preceeding any assumtion, then the assumption must be true, right?
Apparently it is safe to assume that anything printed in a fancy briefing paper is true. Let me ask you first amendment thumpers out there, "Did Thomas Jefferson and the rest of our constitutional fathers add an amendment to the bill of rights guaranteeing anonymity?" In fact, I believe the constitution does say something about the accused having the right to confront their accuser. Also, the printed word does not guarantee anonymity either. I'm sure the New York Times or the Washington Post are fascinated by this new idea of publishing stories without bylines, and then claiming innocence when hit with a libel suit.
We should probably get rid of prisons too then, because there is too high a chance of getting the wrong person. But then again, spending your life in a 6' x 8' box isn't so bad is it?
This argument has gone round and round on these message boards for as long as I can remember being here. What's the point? But for the sake of argument...
MAC is to NT as NT is to Linux.
Mac users say to NT users that Mac is "easy to use". NT users say to Mac users, "Yeah, until it breaks, then try and fix it".
NT users say to Linux users that NT is "easy to use". Linux users say to NT users, "Yeah, until it BSOD's, then try and fix it"...
Comparatively...compared to film quality anim software...3DSMax is cheap. I haven't seen anything for Linux, but I've only been keeping an eye out, not really looking. I have to think that any good animation product out there is commerical AND expensive. It's kinda like asking an inexpensive product to be able to do what AutoCAD 14 can do. I seem to remember something called "Lightwave"? and it was $1500. Anybody out there got any ideas?
I wouldn't necessarily limit yourself to film. I do think filmmakers play with the neatest newest technology, but perhaps you might want to get your feet wet first. Most companies worth their salt won't look at a newly graduated student without some production (as in making a finished product, not producing film) experience.
The company that I work for has a wonderful graphics department full of lots of toys. They've done some stuff with basic animation tools that just blows my mind. Who ever thought animating engineering designs was so sexy.
Using 3D Studio Max, they downloaded a 3D map of an area they want to build a bridge on. Then they imported the bridge design from AutoCAD, slapped some cars on there and flew the camera around the bridge for snicks. They do this stuff all the time to show clients what a finished product will look like.
The beautiful thing for graphic designers, especially the ones with some animation in their background, is that dozens of companies are doing this. I'd suggest trying to find a company that makes 3D anims for business development and soak some experience.
Thank you /. for making Meta Moderating available. This user comment is an exremely rational and valid viewpoint, and whoever the moderator who labeled it 'Troll' is, should be relieved of his or her duties.
:) ).
I happen to agree with the viewpoint of the author of this comment, and I also believe that anonymity, unlike privacy, is not a right. Why does everyone have to equate anonymity to privacy? If one is in the privacy of one's own home, one is not necessarily anonymous.
Public interaction has never been anonymous, and comparing buying a cup of coffee to spouting political opinions is apples and oranges. Sure one can walk down the street and harm no one and no one will take notice, but as soon as others are affected by an anonymous stroll in the park, I assure you that anonymity is out the door. You can go ahead and make your case about how you should be able to steal other's credit card numbers and passwords and pass them around to the world anonymously, but I and every other rational person on this planet is going to want to find out who you are.
One may remain anonymous as long as one is not infringing on others rights, but after the point of infringement, people are going to want an identity to point to. Even if one's name is on a list, with one's address and other such information, one will retain anonymity because no one else will care until they are bothered.
And for all you anonymous cowards out there, you can be sure that no one is going to try to find out who you are, until you do something stupid. As soon as someone posts a threat to kill the President as AC, the Secret Service will be banging down Andover's doors with a warrant insisting to find out who exactly posted the offending message. And they will find out. (please note, all you echelon operators, that this note is in no way, shape or form, a threat upon the President of the United States!
What do you want? $600 a week for an internship? Lessee, last I remember, $600 a week boils down to about 30K a year, interns aren't real employees and do no real work. Ask Asok. Interns climb through air ducts so that the boss can tell where they go. Quit complaining that you make 30 G's a year without a college degree. Why don't you ask your local McDonald's employee if he or she'd like to switch places with you.
Oh boy are you getting screwed. Of course many small companies will try to keep the wool over your eyes because they don't want/cant pay a real salary. Of course, a certain amount of Rock Stardom helps the salary level, but I'm makeing 30% more than you are fixing desktops(primary responsibility, but I make it a point to stick my nose in everything). I do have my MCSE, but that's only a foot in the door type of thing. You might want to look for a computer services company such as IBM, EDS or Perot Systems. They get all the hot shots and pay commensurately.
I think you missed my point. The question was about what type of client should the user be able to use with an app. My point is that apps should be developed so that it doesn't matter what client you use. One shouldn't limit one's self to activex controls and javabeans...
I don't think the internet is a "Brain Drain". In fact, I think the internet is a Brain Enhancer. If we didn't have the internet, all of those brilliant people working in our universities would still be forced to disseminate their research via paper. The old publishing techniques were holding back the growth of technology in the same manner as hand written books before Gutenberg invented the printing press. The internet is just a tool, and programmers are tool-makers. Most software and hardware pertaining to the internet are not consumer goods. You are not producing cars or boats or blankets or food. This is not to say that tool making is not important, but don't believe for a second that all the good brains are working in the computer industry. I have a friend studying neuro-biology at the University of Illinois, and he is perhaps the smartest person I have ever met. He uses the internet, as a tool. It helps him communicate with the hundreds of others that are doing similar research around the world.
I'll even gather that that politician you talked to is much smarter that you believe. I've learned that people do not get to lofty career positions by being stupid. Because this guy does not think like a programmer does not mean he's dim. Of course, that's not to say that I respect his choice of career. Certainly he's not as smart as McNealy, but your really smart types are positioning themselves to run/own companies, not become President. It's too much hassle, and it doesn't pay squat. I'll probably be raking in more in a year than the President does before I'm eligible to be Pres-o-dent (age).
Josh
If you really want to do some thin client apps, why bother with the client at all? Forget about the client completely, spend the money on a fat ass server to do ALL the processing. There is no reason for the client to do anything at all but to display info and accept input. Amazon is a perfect example. Hell, you can order books with a Palm Pilot now. The clients don't get much more thin than that.
You don't need Java, you don't need cgi, all you need to do is process your info and publish it in html. Get the job done with bandwidth and processor power. Damn! Yankees just won again...
Don't forget that it's much easier to test your home built nuclear weapons on a fast computer than doing underground detonations in your basement.
...this matter. You'all need to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself what you are doing to make the world a better place to live. I believe that social Darwinism is a valid theory too, but I don't try to perpetuate it. I spend a few hours a month helping a local United Way organization that specializes in providing mentors for disadvantaged youth (read: kids growing up in the 'hood).
Check out a web site called "http://www.tutormentorconnection.org". It may just open your eyes a little as to what these children have to deal with on a daily basis. It's hard to think of how difficult it can be to have technological prowess if you had your first computer at the age of 8. I feel that it's very important to start early with children when it comes to technology. Kind of like learning a new language. You know how children pick up languages like they would a ball in the yard? Same goes with computers. None of you Linux gurus (or at least very few of you) got as good as you are by firing up a computer for the first time at the age of 20.
I try to remind myself often that the reason I have a job is because of people described in that bunch of jokes, and that I should not make fun because they provide my livelyhood...But pardon my french, that is some funny shit. I just spent the last 30 minutes crying laughing...
I love to see edumacated individuals complain about the adverse effects that human beings have inflicted upon our fair planet.
What most fail to tell you is that they really never bother to research their arguments. Most environmental arguments are based in emotion, not fact.
Granted, the human race has done quite a bit of ecological damage to the environment, LOCALLY. There will be no major ecological disaster. The whole idea that man is significant enough to permanantly damage this planet is preposterous. That goes not just for the planet, but for the life that is living on the planet. Like Crichton postulates in Jurassic Park, life WILL overcome. There's a reason why weeds grow in your sidewalk, because they are hard to kill.
Look, we've detonated hundreds of nuclear weapons, set Kuwait on fire for a year, herded millions of methane bloated cattle, burned millions upon millions of tons of fossil fuels...and yet, when Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philipines a few years ago, it's been said that more carbon dioxide was expelled into the atmosphere by that eruption than man has created in his entire existance.
Face it people, we are but insignificant bugs on the face of this big rock. A thousand years after humans become extinct, you'll hardly be able to tell we were here at all.
It's called monorail...
It's like comparing apples to oranges...oh wait, that's funny. I kill me.
You lost me there...what does the above configuration have to do with what we're talking about...unless of course you add a price...but I bought a K6-200 2 years ago (well, almost 2 years). Great chip...
Honestly, I don't think any of us are qualified to judge one processor over the other. The only thing we have to base our opinions on are random readings from the trades. Unless you (and I'm not saying I have) have run the same benchmark software on the same chip under the same OS, there cannot be a straight out comparison.
My argument is that strict price/power comparison is not possible for apple to make between their machines and an intel/amd machine. They build too much "margin" into their price.
For a geek, it's just not worth the money. Maybe the kitzch, but not the money...
I like the spread out comparison. An earlier post mentioned processor cache of Celeron v. G3. I'll give you that cache is important. Consider a similar Compaq or IBM with an AMD then? Cache would not be the issue, and price would be about the same...
Thank you for your clarification of G3. I was unaware of the designation for the iMac processor.
.26dp) 1000HS Trinitron® Monitor
I also want to say that the iMac is a brilliant machine. It is well marketed and capable of doing what it is intended to do.
Just please, apple zealots, do not argue hardware performance/price on this. The iMac just does not compare.
Here's a $1200 Dell:
Date:
Friday, April 09, 1999 12:05:20 PM CDT
Catalog Number:
04 19
Dell Dimension V Series:
Intel Celeron® processor, 333MHz MiniTower with
128KB L2 Cache
V33CSW - [220-4875]
Memory:
32MB SDRAM
32M - [311-0407]
Keyboard:
QuietKey® Keyboard
W - [310-7002]
Monitor:
17" (16.0" viewable,
10TM - [320-0037]
Video Card:
ATI 8MB 3D AGP Graphics
IV - [430-0590]
Hard Drive:
4.3GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive
43 - [340-6607]
Floppy Drive:
1.44MB Floppy Drive
3 - [340-7982]
Operating System:
Microsoft® Windows® 98
W98 - [420-2083]
Mouse:
Logitech First Mouse+ Wheel (PS/2v)
LM - [310-0287][310-3180]
Network Card:
No Network Card
N - [430-0591]
Modem:
3Com® USRobotics V.90* PCI Telephony
WinModem for Sound
WSNDTEL - [412-0200][412-6890][313-3617]
DVD-ROM or CD-ROM Drive:
32X Max Variable CD-ROM Drive
CD32 - [313-6502]
Sound Card:
Yamaha XG 64V Wavetable Sound
IS - [313-0275]
Speakers:
harman/kardon HK-195 Speakers
HK195 - [313-0266]
Bundled Software:
Microsoft® Works Suite 99 with Money 99 Basic;
McAfee VirusScan
WORKS - [412-0114]
McAfee VirusScan 3.1 at no
additional charge:
McAfee VirusScan 3.1 (For Windows 98)
MCAFEE - [412-1212]
Service:
3-Yr Limited Warranty, 1-Yr Next Bus. Day On-Site
Service
Now here's a $1200 iMac:
Processor:
PowerPC G3
Processor speed:
266 MHz
Amt. of RAM:
32MB
Hard disk:
6GB
CD-ROM drive
included?:
yes
Modem included?:
yes
Monitor:
15-inch
Software included:
AppleWorks, MS Outlook Express, Adobe
PageMill, EdView Internet Safety Kit: Family
Edition, FAXstf, Quicken Deluxe 98, Kai's
Photo Soap SE, World Book, Nanosaur,
Williams-Sonoma Guide to Good Cooking
Nuff said...