I was just wondering though who actually uses USENET anymore I mean the internet has evolved more into an e-commmerce type of phenomena and the older vestiges of the internet such as USENET are (it seems) rapidly decaying into extinction.
Usenet will be around as long as people enjoy talking, debating, and/or fighting in mostly unmoderated ways...
If you take a look at this graphic, you'll find that the average daily feed for all of Usenet was 80 GB. Per day. Even the text-only discussion groups work out to 4 or so GB/day.
Just 'cause you haven't been there don't mean nobody else uses it.
James
Re:From the goebbels-would-be-proud dept.? Huh?
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It implies the most evil intent possible, and I don't see any explanation why -- was that just the first thing that came to mind or what?
Two reasons: power corrupts.
The media no longer has to slant the news, to spin it in the direction they think you should feel about events. No, now they can just go out and *create* the news.
That's power. That's more power than rulers of nations have. That's more power than religous leaders have.
And don't go saying it won't happen. It will. It already has. NBC got nailed by GM over their "news" magazine's story on GM's pickup trucks having a tendency to catch fire. Why? because during filming of saftey tests, the fires wheren't happening fast enough/wheren't spectacular enough, so it was decided to help things along with an explosive device...
Then you wonder about the Goebbels reference?
Heh. Go rent Running Man and pay attention to one possible future...or read 1984. I'm surprised the courts haven't rejected photographic and video evidence.
The problem is that Crypto being considered munitions means that by aiding foreign powers with crypto is the same as selling them weapons....
Yeah, and the Iranian delegation to the UN goes down to their local (Borders|Barnes & Noble|local bookstore), purchases "PGP For Dummies" complete with CD-ROM, heads back to the embassy, stuffs it into a diplomatic mail pouch. Oh, yeah, the FBI sure did stop *that* transfer...
But when Bruce advocates a lawsuit against Corel for violating the GPL, even if he rapidly recants, he's effectively putting any investment Corel has in Linux at risk.
Oh, please. If Corel hasn't contemplated this before investing in Linux, they deserve what they get. You seriously want us to belive that they haven't examined the various licenses involved? Perhaps you're right, and they're idiots who don't have lawyers at their beck and call. I doubt it, tho. But if they want to play fast-and-loose with the licenses, that's their call because its their money. But they shouldn't cry too much when they get spanked because of their inability to stay legal.
The one good thing about all of this is that it reminds the money-men that there are licenses involved, and that they should try very hard to abide by those licenses. If they can't, they're perfectly free to buy the software, or hire programmers to replicate the functionality.
When you own the software, then you can dictate terms.
I'm not. It shouldn't have been posted, it wasn't news. Had SPI formally contacted Corel with their concerns, that would be news. Had they filed suit, that would be news.
Out of very idle curiousity, does Corel refuse to sell their other software offerings to minors?
Counter-prediction: it will not. There are more people with SystemV experience than with BSD experience. Most of the proprietary unices are SystemV. I'm adequately old enough to have used both -- on a variety of systems. I've even gone thru one BSD->SysV transition. That was painful enough that I have no desire to transition back.
Which one of y'all moderated this up? There ought to be an entry for "clueless".
Ultimately, Usenet moderation (as we know it) is not the answer.
IMO, you're vastly mistaken. The current advice on new.admin.net-abuse.usenet is filter, killfile, ignore. In fact, the best filter is the one between your ears.
Trolls don't grow if they don't get fed. Flamewars don't exist if there is only one side. Even the most persistent of kooks will go away if you ignore them long enough.
Oh, sure, that isn't as clean and neat (and let's face it, gratifying) as bouncing them out of a news.group.
But maybe some day the shoe will be on the other foot, eh?
I'm humber 6293 on the list at http://online.offshore.com.ai/arms-trafficker/know n-traffickers, btw.
642, myself.
You should see the looks I get when I tell people I'm a registered arms dealer. That alone makes it all worthwhile. Three years, and I still haven't been arrested. Darn.
But the more, the merrier. Anyone got some spare Stinger missiles?
It's more than a question of "responsibility"... if the system goes down during a mission critical operation, Microsoft is a company and you can sue them (despite their 'license agreement', that means less than nothing).
Really? What court refused to uphold a shrink wrap license? on the other hand, what court actually upheld a shrink wrap license? AFAIK, that's never been court-tested...
I'm at CMU, and I'd say that very few women taking CS are actually in it for reasons other than "it's where the money is". Of course there is also a depressing large percentage of males in the same mindset...
What's so depressing about it, other than they're wasting their time when the could be doing something they really love. In a couple of years, they'll be burned out, and will go back to school and get an MBA so they can be "where the money" is...that giant sucking sound is the number of open jobs.
Oh yeah, mine came with a 3com 3c905c ethernet card, so I had to download the newest version (development) of the driver, cause the stable one doesn't support it yet.
Are you aware that you can use the 3c59x.o module to drive it? The one drawback to this card is that if you have a dual boot system, you *must* go to a power-off state after running win9x, or it will be severely confused.
Now, even if FIDNet has no jurisdiction over me, what about the CIA/NSA? If the U.S. government is putting so much research cash into _spying_on_their_own_citizens_, do we believe that this research will not also be shared with their external agencies?
YM 'developed by' not 'shared with'. HTH.
James - you realize we're all on the 'A' list of subversives?
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Usenet will be around as long as people enjoy talking, debating, and/or fighting in mostly unmoderated ways...
If you take a look at this graphic, you'll find that the average daily feed for all of Usenet was 80 GB. Per day. Even the text-only discussion groups work out to 4 or so GB/day.
Just 'cause you haven't been there don't mean nobody else uses it.
James
Two reasons: power corrupts.
The media no longer has to slant the news, to spin it in the direction they think you should feel about events. No, now they can just go out and *create* the news.
That's power. That's more power than rulers of nations have. That's more power than religous leaders have.
And don't go saying it won't happen. It will. It already has. NBC got nailed by GM over their "news" magazine's story on GM's pickup trucks having a tendency to catch fire. Why? because during filming of saftey tests, the fires wheren't happening fast enough/wheren't spectacular enough, so it was decided to help things along with an explosive device...
Then you wonder about the Goebbels reference?
Heh. Go rent Running Man and pay attention to one possible future...or read 1984. I'm surprised the courts haven't rejected photographic and video evidence.
James
Single file or spread out?
Single file: give 'em a taste of your railgun.
Spread out: give 'em a taste of your BFG10K.
James
Nothing wrong with shooting, just as long as the right people get shot. -- Harry Calahan
I don't think so:
Galileo Galilei, known as Galileo, lived from 1564-1642.
James
They spam. They're unrepentant about spamming. That's about as black as you can get. 'nuff said.
Boycott 'em till hell freezes over!
James
Yeah, and the Iranian delegation to the UN goes down to their local (Borders|Barnes & Noble|local bookstore), purchases "PGP For Dummies" complete with CD-ROM, heads back to the embassy, stuffs it into a diplomatic mail pouch. Oh, yeah, the FBI sure did stop *that* transfer...
They're angling for the intimidation factor.
James
Oh, please. If Corel hasn't contemplated this before investing in Linux, they deserve what they get. You seriously want us to belive that they haven't examined the various licenses involved? Perhaps you're right, and they're idiots who don't have lawyers at their beck and call. I doubt it, tho. But if they want to play fast-and-loose with the licenses, that's their call because its their money. But they shouldn't cry too much when they get spanked because of their inability to stay legal.
The one good thing about all of this is that it reminds the money-men that there are licenses involved, and that they should try very hard to abide by those licenses. If they can't, they're perfectly free to buy the software, or hire programmers to replicate the functionality.
When you own the software, then you can dictate terms.
James
Out of very idle curiousity, does Corel refuse to sell their other software offerings to minors?
James
Counter-prediction: it will not. There are more people with SystemV experience than with BSD experience. Most of the proprietary unices are SystemV. I'm adequately old enough to have used both -- on a variety of systems. I've even gone thru one BSD->SysV transition. That was painful enough that I have no desire to transition back.
James - tho BSD does have its advantages
Well, take a look at www.debian.org and about 80% of the way down you see this:
Software in the Public Interest, the non-profit umbrella organization that manages Debian's assets
James
Ultimately, Usenet moderation (as we know it) is not the answer.
IMO, you're vastly mistaken. The current advice on new.admin.net-abuse.usenet is filter, killfile, ignore. In fact, the best filter is the one between your ears.
Trolls don't grow if they don't get fed. Flamewars don't exist if there is only one side. Even the most persistent of kooks will go away if you ignore them long enough.
Oh, sure, that isn't as clean and neat (and let's face it, gratifying) as bouncing them out of a news.group.
But maybe some day the shoe will be on the other foot, eh?
James
642, myself.
You should see the looks I get when I tell people I'm a registered arms dealer. That alone makes it all worthwhile. Three years, and I still haven't been arrested. Darn.
But the more, the merrier. Anyone got some spare Stinger missiles?
James - I really should get the t-shirt
Oh, yeah, they do. You just have to pay money to get them to do it to you... :)
James
You're probably thinking of Tom C's perl power tools, http://language.perl.com/ppt/.
James
Really? What court refused to uphold a shrink wrap license? on the other hand, what court actually upheld a shrink wrap license? AFAIK, that's never been court-tested...
James
What's so depressing about it, other than they're wasting their time when the could be doing something they really love. In a couple of years, they'll be burned out, and will go back to school and get an MBA so they can be "where the money" is...that giant sucking sound is the number of open jobs.
James
Bow and acknowledge the power of the Penguin, you Pawn of Bill!
Yours,
Linus
Are you aware that you can use the 3c59x.o module to drive it? The one drawback to this card is that if you have a dual boot system, you *must* go to a power-off state after running win9x, or it will be severely confused.
James
James
Ok. Where's your kernel, if any joe coder could write one?
James
YM 'developed by' not 'shared with'. HTH.
James - you realize we're all on the 'A' list of subversives?
ssh is the only way to go. I don't particularly care to have my passwords hanging in the telnet breeze...the other advantages are icing on the cake. :)
James
We're not going to survive.
Close the firewall! That will hold them.
I don't believe it, they're still coming thru!
:)
James
You are aware SW:TPM was in the black before opening day?
I'd call that recovering the investment, what do you call it?
James
...a blood sample for DNA matching.
James