The problem here is that we only had one subnet to work with. The PIX we had wouldn;t to the type of filtering/bridging that I wanted.
Cisco wants a DMZ on these things.
I needed a bridge...why I didn't use linux...
It was quicker and easier for me... ipchains has always been a pain in my arse... ipfw and ipfilter I know best.
The other thig is that we fried an arrowpoint cs-100 (little itty bitty dinky thing that was being replaced with a bigger one)
the little arrowpoint couldn't take the traffic of 109Mbits , it wasn;t meant for that, we were waiting on arrowpoint to ship us the unit we were *supposed* to have.
*BSD fills the gap because I know it inside and out, and it was the quickest to get up at that point.
As far as the router, we can't do any type of stateful filtering on the 6509, due to some setup that exodus has with the HSRP stuff, I'm sure given enough thought I could figure out how to do it, however we were running on crisis mode.
The BSD firewall filled that gap for us...I can now do access lists on that, instead of the cisco.
and we still have a "DMZ" but its on the same subnet.
The arrowpoint CS-800 was emergency shipped to us that afternoon....its about as big as a cisco 6509...and ummm won't die under that type of traffic/content checking (its layer 5 remember)
although paul demone is a smart guy, he's wrong on several points. First of all, the computers SPEC95 is run on is very similar to Apple Power macs(during the 604 era). of course, macs were also much more expensive back then. I do not know of any IBM workstations that use the PPC 750 chip so it is probable that they use Apple's platform. it would be helpful if you don't just plagiarize off demone's web page and say this like you are the original source.
second, it is wrong to assume that the PPC will suck for a personal computer. Altivec is designed for DSP usage but many apps demonstrate its potential as a desktop SIMD. As a desktop SIMD, its also much faster than x86 SIMD extensions.
I find the attitude of many people strange. When they see x86 vs ppc spec95 scores, they automatically assume that they are representative of real world performance
When they see pentium III with irc 4.5 vs an athlon, they say that the pentium III wins because of compiler optimizations.
It is known that intel optimizes the hell out of hteir compilers just for spec95. This is even before prefetch. Here are a list of apps in which the software is probably as optimized for ppc as x86
Photoshop 5.5: mac wins most, GHz PCs win photoshop 5 isn't just a crappy port. I would be surprised to see GIMP doing faster stuff than it,(GIMP is also not suitable for professional image editing because it lacks standard color correction tools), especially the SSE optimized filters.
Quake 3: PCs win--partly due to lack of good mac video cards and bad drivers.
RC5: Macs win this algorithm is almost completely optimized. It is written in ASM and performance is critical. However, it may be argued that this is a poor benchmark and is not representative of real world performance.
this said, I do not believe that the current PPC's scalar math can compare with taht of current x86 processors. It is slower. However, the DSP nature of altivec does not make it a bad choice for desktop applications. It would be safe to say that even the 500MHz Altivec can keep up with a 1GHz SSE or 3DNow
The main reason why you would want a X terminal is likely for the first year students to use. =)
There is very little to break down, they take up almost no room, and basically they get the job done, a PC running as a X terminal on the other hand require far more maintance, more parts = more breakages.
I wonder why none has sold wireless X terminal yet.
The reason Apple's a closed company right now is because of Microsoft. The competition's fuckin killing them. The mac market is very small. if Apple opens up, the (company) dies. There would be no support for mac users, nothing, just a bunch of loosely organized programmers on the net who make some mac os x shit. Before microsoft emerged as a real competitior, apple was really open(apple II). Apple is closed now to save its own ass. Computer Manufacturers who make their motherboards, cases, and support thier own hardware with operating systems can't survive without being closed. In the PC market, system makers don't need much R and D because they just buy motherboards from companies like intel and asus. A few years ago, apple tried to open up the mac clone market but that almost killed them. look what happened to IBM, before, and after they opened up the licensing. A company like apple can't afford to be open. if they do, they will cease to exist in its current form, a form that many mac users are used to, and love.
There are many other companies which are doing performing the same service, such as Celera, which should complete their own database within a few days. Except that it has more information, and would be of a higher quality. =)
>because of lack of training and lack of access to the proper tools. There is no easy way to get access to training, but it is far less of a problem to get hold of the right tools, one place where they can do so for minimal cost (none, and only paying for processing cost after above a certain level) is http://www.bionavigator.com/.
Another alternative is to use bioinformaticians, who would form the interface between the bio and the technology, which is what I'm studying for at the moment, does anyone have any advice for me (as a Bioinformatics student)?
>Personally I like the idea of X as a dumb display device. At uni I actually use a X terminal, i.e. a fairly dumb device that connects to a server, they still exist and they still do a decent job. Something which makes the GUI nicer would be great though.
generally BSD is getting alot of attention lately, however the majority of the slashdot audience is Linux oriented. Be happy we get the exposure we do on Slashdot.
IF you want a basic phone with no WAP, etc, get a nokia 3210. it looks cool and is very reliable
ive used the 5130 before but its discontinued now.
The 7110 is a good choice because of the way the cover opens. It looks cool and it answers the phone just like the one in The Matrix. It also sounds like it.
Also, if you go to Japan, almost everyone has a phone but they are all japanese made. They are strange and they can only be used in Japan. THey weigh like 50 grams and are small and cheap. one can get a 50 gram small phone for about $30. Unfortunately, they are not for export and they are japanese only.(damned monopoly japs shit)
everywhere else, nokia's the best. snake is best game.
the startac is the flimsiest phone ive ever worked with while the Nokia 5130 is the most durable. i now have a 7110 and it works great but ive not and i dont want to throw it on the pavement
Nokia's the best. All the motorola phones ive seen are so unreliable. Star TAC especially sucks with a problem with the SIM card. Any star tac owner who's used it more than a month will know of the check card problems. Ive owned a nokia 5130 and have dropped the phone lots of times. its pretty reliable. i recently got a 7110 and its bestest. The games are good and the way the cover comes off is like mankit. I dont like long tunes but it might be useful because here in taiwan, almost everyone has a cell phone in public areas and its hard to see which phone is ringing. Nokia is best quality and also best style. the 88x0 series look very good.
I have been trying to get the bootnet.img disk running for Red Hat 6.1 but it errors out on random packages as it installs.
Downloading the "supposed" fixes from Red Hat does not seem to help.
However, with only using 5 disks (1 boot, 1 root, 3 driver disks), I was able to install Debian 2.2 in a matter of 5 minutes with absolutely no hassles.
Not to mention that Debian actually has a central point to upgrade packages (unlike Red Hat)
"Quite enough senseless words are spoken by the man never silent. A quick tongue, unless its owner keeps watch on it, often talks itself into trouble." -- Odin, Havamal, Stanza 29. Carolyne Larrington translation
REDUNDANT comment ahead
First when Andover took over Slashdot I felt like I have been punched into my stomach. I'm not happy at all with this thing also. There are some GREEDY_PEOPLE out there who think that every thing must be in one hand. This is not the right path...
What can I say more(without complaining)?...:Keep up the good work guys!
It's not the goverment's job to do anything about poverty except to stop taxing the middle class into poverty. What are they going to do? Throw money at the poor, so the poor can become more dependent on the government? That doesn't/hasn't helped anyone.
It's just a networked windowing system, period. X by itself has no UI - it's just a display mechanism that can display locally and remotely. It's not a GUI at all - that's where the various toolkits come into play. Those are what GUIs are made of.
And X isn't big and slow. It's extremely fast - that's the way it was written. It's all the other stuff that runs in X that appears to slow it down.
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Posted by BSD-Pat:
The problem here is that we only had one subnet to work with. The PIX we had wouldn;t to the type of filtering/bridging that I wanted.
Cisco wants a DMZ on these things.
I needed a bridge...why I didn't use linux...
It was quicker and easier for me... ipchains has always been a pain in my arse... ipfw and ipfilter I know best.
The other thig is that we fried an arrowpoint cs-100 (little itty bitty dinky thing that was being replaced with a bigger one)
the little arrowpoint couldn't take the traffic of 109Mbits , it wasn;t meant for that, we were waiting on arrowpoint to ship us the unit we were *supposed* to have.
*BSD fills the gap because I know it inside and out, and it was the quickest to get up at that point.
As far as the router, we can't do any type of stateful filtering on the 6509, due to some setup that exodus has with the HSRP stuff, I'm sure given enough thought I could figure out how to do it, however we were running on crisis mode.
The BSD firewall filled that gap for us...I can now do access lists on that, instead of the cisco.
and we still have a "DMZ" but its on the same subnet.
The arrowpoint CS-800 was emergency shipped to us that afternoon....its about as big as a cisco 6509...and ummm won't die under that type of traffic/content checking (its layer 5 remember)
-Pat
Posted by Nr9:
although paul demone is a smart guy, he's wrong on several points. First of all, the computers SPEC95 is run on is very similar to Apple Power macs(during the 604 era). of course, macs were also much more expensive back then. I do not know of any IBM workstations that use the PPC 750 chip so it is probable that they use Apple's platform.
it would be helpful if you don't just plagiarize off demone's web page and say this like you are the original source.
second, it is wrong to assume that the PPC will suck for a personal computer. Altivec is designed for DSP usage but many apps demonstrate its potential as a desktop SIMD. As a desktop SIMD, its also much faster than x86 SIMD extensions.
I find the attitude of many people strange.
When they see x86 vs ppc spec95 scores, they automatically assume that they are representative of real world performance
When they see pentium III with irc 4.5 vs an athlon, they say that the pentium III wins because of compiler optimizations.
It is known that intel optimizes the hell out of hteir compilers just for spec95. This is even before prefetch. Here are a list of apps in which the software is probably as optimized for ppc as x86
Photoshop 5.5: mac wins most, GHz PCs win photoshop 5 isn't just a crappy port. I would be surprised to see GIMP doing faster stuff than it,(GIMP is also not suitable for professional image editing because it lacks standard color correction tools), especially the SSE optimized filters.
Quake 3: PCs win--partly due to lack of good mac video cards and bad drivers.
RC5: Macs win
this algorithm is almost completely optimized. It is written in ASM and performance is critical.
However, it may be argued that this is a poor benchmark and is not representative of real world performance.
this said, I do not believe that the current PPC's scalar math can compare with taht of current x86 processors. It is slower. However, the DSP nature of altivec does not make it a bad choice for desktop applications. It would be safe to say that even the 500MHz Altivec can keep up with a 1GHz SSE or 3DNow
Posted by Nr9:
photoshop on pc is not a crappy port. it is as optimized on the pc as it is on the mac. It even has SSE optimization.
Posted by PartA:
The main reason why you would want a X terminal is likely for the first year students to use. =)
There is very little to break down, they take up almost no room, and basically they get the job done, a PC running as a X terminal on the other hand require far more maintance, more parts = more breakages.
I wonder why none has sold wireless X terminal yet.
Posted by BSD-Pat:
We had an article on the beta a while back but:
arrowpoint CS series load balancer...
100 mbit pipe
cisco 6509/2 MSFC's
4 pIII650 web servers
2 pIII650 image servers
1 Dual pIII650 slashd
1 Quad xeon 550 DB server
the OS's are Linux 2.2.14 (Debian and RedHat)
the servers I think are apache 1.3.12+mod_perl
Posted by Nr9:
The reason Apple's a closed company right now is because of Microsoft. The competition's fuckin killing them. The mac market is very small. if Apple opens up, the (company) dies. There would be no support for mac users, nothing, just a bunch of loosely organized programmers on the net who make some mac os x shit. Before microsoft emerged as a real competitior, apple was really open(apple II). Apple is closed now to save its own ass. Computer Manufacturers who make their motherboards, cases, and support thier own hardware with operating systems can't survive without being closed. In the PC market, system makers don't need much R and D because they just buy motherboards from companies like intel and asus. A few years ago, apple tried to open up the mac clone market but that almost killed them. look what happened to IBM, before, and after they opened up the licensing. A company like apple can't afford to be open. if they do, they will cease to exist in its current form, a form that many mac users are used to, and love.
There are many other companies which are doing performing the same service, such as Celera, which should complete their own database within a few days. Except that it has more information, and would be of a higher quality. =)
>because of lack of training and lack of access to the proper tools.
There is no easy way to get access to training, but it is far less of a problem to get hold of the right tools, one place where they can do so for minimal cost (none, and only paying for processing cost after above a certain level) is http://www.bionavigator.com/.
Another alternative is to use bioinformaticians, who would form the interface between the bio and the technology, which is what I'm studying for at the moment, does anyone have any advice for me (as a Bioinformatics student)?
Posted by PartA:
>Personally I like the idea of X as a dumb display device. At uni I actually use a X terminal, i.e. a fairly dumb device that connects to a server, they still exist and they still do a decent job. Something which makes the GUI nicer would be great though.
Posted by BSD-Pat:
externally, nothing....under the hood and network wise....its EXTREMELY different.... try a 100Mbit pipe, for one.
Posted by BSD-Pat:
generally BSD is getting alot of attention lately, however the majority of the slashdot audience is Linux oriented. Be happy we get the exposure we do on Slashdot.
-Pat
Posted by BSD-Pat:
Walnut Creek has supported FreeBSD commercially for a long time, you could have bought a service contratc or even per-incident service from them.
FreeBSD support is not new, however BSDi has a good reputation in the business world for support on BSD/OS.
This is a good opportunity for some more exposure.
-Pat
Posted by Nr9:
From my experience, Nokia phones are the best.
IF you want a basic phone with no WAP, etc, get a nokia 3210. it looks cool and is very reliable
ive used the 5130 before but its discontinued now.
The 7110 is a good choice because of the way the cover opens. It looks cool and it answers the phone just like the one in The Matrix. It also sounds like it.
Also, if you go to Japan, almost everyone has a phone but they are all japanese made. They are strange and they can only be used in Japan. THey weigh like 50 grams and are small and cheap. one can get a 50 gram small phone for about $30. Unfortunately, they are not for export and they are japanese only.(damned monopoly japs shit)
everywhere else, nokia's the best. snake is best game.
Posted by Nr9:
my experiences are just the opposite
the startac is the flimsiest phone ive ever worked with while the Nokia 5130 is the most durable. i now have a 7110 and it works great but ive not and i dont want to throw it on the pavement
Posted by Nr9:
the star tac is damned flimsy
Posted by Nr9:
Nokia's the best. All the motorola phones ive seen are so unreliable. Star TAC especially sucks with a problem with the SIM card. Any star tac owner who's used it more than a month will know of the check card problems. Ive owned a nokia 5130 and have dropped the phone lots of times. its pretty reliable. i recently got a 7110 and its bestest. The games are good and the way the cover comes off is like mankit. I dont like long tunes but it might be useful because here in taiwan, almost everyone has a cell phone in public areas and its hard to see which phone is ringing. Nokia is best quality and also best style. the 88x0 series look very good.
Posted by NJViking:
I agree.
When I upgraded from a Pentium 133 to an AMD K6-II 450, Linux was quite happy and ran just fine
after I put in the new motherboard & chip.
However, I had to completely re-install Windows 98 because it wouldn't even boot.
Of course I had since recompiled the kernel to optimize for the new CPU, but still, Linux kept running like a champ, and Windows 98 failed me.
NJV
Posted by NJViking:
I have been trying to get the bootnet.img disk running for Red Hat 6.1 but it errors out on random packages as it installs.
Downloading the "supposed" fixes from Red Hat does not seem to help.
However, with only using 5 disks (1 boot, 1 root, 3 driver disks), I was able to install Debian 2.2 in a matter of 5 minutes with absolutely no hassles.
Not to mention that Debian actually has a central point to upgrade packages (unlike Red Hat)
NJV
The article about the Denial of Service attack is here.
It could have easily been defeated with a utility like Tripwire
NJV
Posted by NJViking:
/.
Interesting. A religion topic on
First of all, you cannot generalize about religion. Everyone, especially the subset of geeks/nerds will have differing religious views.
Myself, I am tru to the Norse Gods/Goddesses (Aesir/Vanir) and I am a geek!
If you are true to yourself and true to your God(s), doctrine and dogma are not needed.
It's best to be non-judgemental. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
My 2cents.
NJV
Posted by NJViking:
"Quite enough senseless words are spoken
by the man never silent.
A quick tongue, unless its owner keeps watch on it,
often talks itself into trouble."
-- Odin, Havamal, Stanza 29.
Carolyne Larrington translation
Posted by cookieman.k:
:)
As soon as I saw that this article was written by Katz I pressed ^F in my little-tiny IE4 and entered FUNNY. All other comments were skipped
Posted by cookieman.k:
REDUNDANT comment ahead First when Andover took over Slashdot I felt like I have been punched into my stomach. I'm not happy at all with this thing also. There are some GREEDY_PEOPLE out there who think that every thing must be in one hand. This is not the right path... What can I say more(without complaining)?...:Keep up the good work guys!
Posted by cookieman.k:
Hi! If you deltree c:\windows then format.exe wich is in c:\windows\command won't run. So there must be something between the two commands.
Posted by patg:
It's not the goverment's job to do anything about poverty except to stop taxing the middle class into poverty. What are they going to do? Throw money at the poor, so the poor can become more dependent on the government? That doesn't/hasn't helped anyone.
Posted by patg:
It's just a networked windowing system, period. X by itself has no UI - it's just a display mechanism that can display locally and remotely. It's not a GUI at all - that's where the various toolkits come into play. Those are what GUIs are made of.
And X isn't big and slow. It's extremely fast - that's the way it was written. It's all the other stuff that runs in X that appears to slow it down.