I looked at the products that they offer, so I can get a feel for what they make. (The last amiga I saw was a gaming system from the 80's) I looked at the computers that they have... and they seem like they're 10 years out of date! The most RAM I saw them offer was 32 MB, but that's not the kicker... 25 mhz!!! Their chips run at 25 mhz!!! They also had 50 mhz chips, but it looked like 25 was standard. ummmmmm, how are you supposed to do anything useful with this machine? People actually pay for this stuff? Is there something I'm missing?
Not at all, this is a serious issue. Whoever controls the way we exchange information, coltrols everything.
>Windows is popular, but if MS tried to do something REALLY f'd up with it people could either use Linux or not upgrade to the latest version.
Like intentionally holding back bug fixes to their old OS so that people are pressured to buy the new one?
The average computer buyer today doesn't even know that linux is. They know what windows is. I've had people who were thinking about buying a Macintosh come up to me and ask "So, does this run Windows 95 or what?". The average consumer is buying a computer to keep up with the Jones', not because they want a new tool or toy to use.
If M$ decided that to use windows you were going to have to pay them a $100 per year renewal fee for your software license, most people would have no choice but to pay it.
There are morons out there who would pay anything as long as they got to use AOL and M$ Office.
I'll agree with your comments about the essay's structure, but would-be English teachers should spell-check their stones before casting them. Here are a few doozies that I uncovered in your reply:
* ancillary, not "ancillery" * demonstrable, not "demonstratable" * reinforce, not "re-enforce"
There were a couple of other spelling mistakes, but I picked the ones that were obviously not typos. Your sentence structure often seems forced as well, but I'm sure your freshman comp teacher will help you with that this Fall. Best of luck at community college!
>Microsoft is most assuredly NOT the most powerful corporation in the world.
It's possibly the most powerful corporation in the geek-world that so many Slashdot readers inhabit.
M$ controls the OS of approx 90% of the world's personal computers. M$ makes over 33 million dollars per day. M$ is in a position where they could control the way most people access the internet. To control the exchange of information is power. You know it, I know it, and Chairman Gates knows it.
>Some of us, who might be attacked as "supporters of Microsoft" are really just people who can't stand it when we see the losers trying to take down a successful business because they can't compete in the market.
M$ needs to play by the rules, just like everyone else. You can't do certain things which M$ is accused of doing. It's dishonest to steal someone else's idea and pretend that it was yours all along. You can't steal the source code for someone else's compression program and pass it off as your own. You can't use your position in the market to force people to not use your competition's products. It would be like GM designing their cars to break if you attempt to install after market products on them from a certain manufacturer.
We don't want to destroy M$, but we do want them to play by the rules.
Searching "Linux home page perl" on hotbot: (After clicking Reload, due to "Connection Reset by Peer") 8 advertising graphics(including a mini-form letting me look up "Linux home page perl" at kidflix.com) 4 "search partner" links(including "How to Buy a House Online") The search results start halfway down the page.
I do not enjoy scrolling to look at the reason I'm on the site in the first place: search results. Hotbot is good as far as the search engine itself goes, but I find myself at Google and Northern Light these days simply because of presentation!
In my experience, the fastest code can be the biggest code, at least in independent testing. Code that requires looping can often be sped up by unrolling the loop when there is a fixed small number of iterations.
But this leaves out what may be the most important part: the cache. If your kernel is big, then regardless of how optimized it is, it will waste clock cycles getting into the CPU to do its stuff. Any OS that takes several MB between kernel and needed services will always take a huge penalty. The whole point of a 100K kernel is that even on the most pathetic systems it will remain continuously in the cache. It would almost be like having the kernel embeded in the CPU. If the services (disk, net, etc.) don't take much room, then you get another huge boost. It's really cool that memory is cheap now, but even a gig of ram will never make up for a small cache. That's why Xeon processors cost so much.
(of course if your machine is doing any disk swapping to make up for not enough memory, then you're dead meat;-)
Yes, the versions of Unix that have huge kernels can still get fantastic performance, but at what cost: they don't have 512K caches, they have several MB. Ouch!!! I'll take a small kernel and small services (thus a _much_ cheaper machine with the same performance) any day.
Three cheers for Trumpet Software! (assuming it works and they can get past Microsloth)
There is a company in Houston called Universial Computer Systems( AKA U. C.heap S.hits). They have about an 200-300% turnover every 6-9 months. Most employees there make less than 20k a year & put in 60-80 Hours a weeks. All This without any perks.
Whether you think it's great to spend all your time at work depends on your stage in life, ie what else you have going on. If you're young, healthy, single, with no other hobbies/ commitments/interests - go for it. Companies are only too happy to let you sacrifice everything else in your life for a job. But watch out or you'll end up like some people here in Silicon Valley: getting older, no family, few friends, OK money but not rich yet, and no perspective on how to have a life outside the rat race.
Thats exactly the point. You buy an iMac, or any other integrated PC. After awhile, you want to get a newer monitor. Ack! *gasp!* Now you need to buy a new machine? Great. Apple, or whoever, will be there, to sell you a new machine for another thousand bucks. --- Donald Roeber
Let me guess, either you just lost your girlfriend or your mother just ran off with a black jewish italiam man with a much bigger pecker than you or your dad have.
Making more immersive games (IMO) would relieve lots of stress. After all, why blow away all of your classmates when you can pretend to and not have to go to jail after?
These cached engines need to update on a daily basis if they intend to remain functional. As websites often update, they change the pages and the names of pages to fit a new look or feel.The searches I used found pages that did not exist anymore, nor have they for a few months now. Oh well maybe people will "back up" in the URL when they visit...
I dont know if this is feasible, as the Notes client might be needed to view one's designs. But since the Linux community is a bunch of coders, I think you might appeal to IBM this way.
The Designer is *supposedly* separated from the Notes Client in R5 (I say supposedly because they may share alot of code, I just dont know).
If we were to make games completely real, they'd lose a lot of the fun. For instance, the rocket jump would simply send bits of player flying all over the arena. A one-hour deathmatch would result in all the players getting exhausted, and a couple of them dying from heart attacks. Also, control mechanisms would have to become much more advanced, giving you control of breathing, more exact control of limbs, etc. Such a system might be good for a simulation game such as 'Hidden and Dangerous', but it would lack the immediacy of Quake. --------------------------------------
The data that is being sent out is prone to corruption. However, it doesn't really affect the project as the packet, once returned, is compaired to the original data and checked for integrity.
If it don't fit - the datagram is tossed, and the packet is resent to another client for reprocessing. SETI has the original telescope radio data somewhere offsite - because if they didn't, the whole project would have been destroyed years ago...
In other words, "bug off, spammers". May I point out that I have not received one piece of spam to my whois contact email addresses since NSI added this agreement to the whois record. May I also point out that I would get about two or three spams a week (if not more) sent to my whois address as recently as last fall, before NSI added the agreement.
Can I just say one thing? BS. =) Not only have 10 other people atleast said this exact thing, so I'm not sure why you're repeating it in the first place, but honestly, do you think spammers really give a damned about an extra few lines in the whois database? They don't.
1) If they did, these same people would abide by ISP AUPs that state spamming is not to be done through their mail servers on their domains, etc etc. They've never cared about that, why should it be different for something imposed by NSI?
2) Do you honestly think you could prove that the spammer got the info from NSI? You couldn't. Therefore why should they be worried about a legal implication such as this?
I think you're just imagining things about receiving less spam.
Rendering aside, this type of computer could consider more variables in a game than anything that is currently available. Back to the FPS game.
Let's just list a few factors which would influence the outcome of a match.
Height Physical Condition Heart Rate Rate of Respiration Lung Capacity Age and related degeration of bodily systems Type of footwear Striations of the barrel of a firearm Irregularities in the surface of a bullet Wind Resistance Crosswind Temperature If clothing fibers would clog a hollow point to such a degree that it won't expand Finger Length How a weapon performs as it heats up and the moving parts wear
Even if rendering routines for quantum computers are never written, it is the underlying computations that make the sim important, calculating voluminous numbers of possibilities is where the strength of quantum computing lies.
For example, quantum computers could determine exactly what is a perfect game of chess.
Rendering is the easy part, that can be handled by hardware that is only a few years away on our current path.
LK
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Posted by OGL:
Why would I give a crap? By the time they actually come out (assuming it's not vaporware) there will be dozens more better and newer games for win98.
It probably doesn't make any business sense for them to sell a Linux version. As far as I know, there's a Java version of Notes client which will handle any version of Linux/Unix/etc., anyway.
Doing a special version of Notes for each would be unlikely to ever be profitable (there would be a GNU equivalent within a month, anyway). You would have to sell a whole lot of copies to justify a special version, which won't ever happen with any of these specialty OS's. The Windows-tweaked version is probably more for psychological reasons than practical reasons; nobody gets excited about a Java version, but a Windows-specific version is easy to justify to management. Who knows... the Java version might be nearly as good as a Linux version, anyway. It's just a matter of a decent Java runtime engine. I've used Java code before that was literally _faster_ than the previous C(++) version once it was run through a proper compiler.
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Posted by _DogShu_:
I looked at the products that they offer, so I can get a feel for what they make. (The last amiga I saw was a gaming system from the 80's)
I looked at the computers that they have... and they seem like they're 10 years out of date!
The most RAM I saw them offer was 32 MB, but that's not the kicker...
25 mhz!!! Their chips run at 25 mhz!!! They also had 50 mhz chips, but it looked like 25 was standard.
ummmmmm, how are you supposed to do anything useful with this machine? People actually pay for this stuff? Is there something I'm missing?
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangst:
>You're taking this just a BIT too seriously...
Not at all, this is a serious issue. Whoever controls the way we exchange information, coltrols everything.
>Windows is popular, but if MS tried to do something REALLY f'd up with it people could either use Linux or not upgrade to the latest version.
Like intentionally holding back bug fixes to their old OS so that people are pressured to buy the new one?
The average computer buyer today doesn't even know that linux is. They know what windows is. I've had people who were thinking about buying a Macintosh come up to me and ask "So, does this run Windows 95 or what?". The average consumer is buying a computer to keep up with the Jones', not because they want a new tool or toy to use.
If M$ decided that to use windows you were going to have to pay them a $100 per year renewal fee for your software license, most people would have no choice but to pay it.
There are morons out there who would pay anything as long as they got to use AOL and M$ Office.
LK
Posted by Justin:
;)
Anyone noticed the bit about 1984 at the bottom? It's quite frightening, especially for those of us whose bible is 1984
Posted by Nick Carraway:
I'll agree with your comments about the essay's structure, but would-be English teachers should spell-check their stones before casting them. Here are a few doozies that I uncovered in your reply:
* ancillary, not "ancillery"
* demonstrable, not "demonstratable"
* reinforce, not "re-enforce"
There were a couple of other spelling mistakes, but I picked the ones that were obviously not typos. Your sentence structure often seems forced as well, but I'm sure your freshman comp teacher will help you with that this Fall. Best of luck at community college!
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangst:
>Microsoft is most assuredly NOT the most powerful corporation in the world.
It's possibly the most powerful corporation in the geek-world that so many Slashdot readers inhabit.
M$ controls the OS of approx 90% of the world's personal computers. M$ makes over 33 million dollars per day. M$ is in a position where they could control the way most people access the internet. To control the exchange of information is power. You know it, I know it, and Chairman Gates knows it.
>Some of us, who might be attacked as "supporters of Microsoft" are really just people who can't stand it when we see the losers trying to take down a successful business because they can't compete in the market.
M$ needs to play by the rules, just like everyone else. You can't do certain things which M$ is accused of doing. It's dishonest to steal someone else's idea and pretend that it was yours all along. You can't steal the source code for someone else's compression program and pass it off as your own. You can't use your position in the market to force people to not use your competition's products. It would be like GM designing their cars to break if you attempt to install after market products on them from a certain manufacturer.
We don't want to destroy M$, but we do want them to play by the rules.
LK
Posted by foole:
Searching "Linux home page perl" on hotbot:
(After clicking Reload, due to "Connection Reset by Peer")
8 advertising graphics(including a mini-form letting me look up "Linux home page perl" at kidflix.com)
4 "search partner" links(including "How to Buy a House Online")
The search results start halfway down the page.
I do not enjoy scrolling to look at the reason I'm on the site in the first place: search results. Hotbot is good as far as the search engine itself goes, but I find myself at Google and Northern Light these days simply because of presentation!
Posted by 2B||!2B:
;-)
In my experience, the fastest code can be the biggest code, at least in independent testing. Code that requires looping can often be sped up by unrolling the loop when there is a fixed small number of iterations.
But this leaves out what may be the most important part: the cache. If your kernel is big, then regardless of how optimized it is, it will waste clock cycles getting into the CPU to do its stuff. Any OS that takes several MB between kernel and needed services will always take a huge penalty. The whole point of a 100K kernel is that even on the most pathetic systems it will remain continuously in the cache. It would almost be like having the kernel embeded in the CPU. If the services (disk, net, etc.) don't take much room, then you get another huge boost. It's really cool that memory is cheap now, but even a gig of ram will never make up for a small cache. That's why Xeon processors cost so much.
(of course if your machine is doing any disk swapping to make up for not enough memory, then you're dead meat
Yes, the versions of Unix that have huge kernels can still get fantastic performance, but at what cost: they don't have 512K caches, they have several MB. Ouch!!! I'll take a small kernel and small services (thus a _much_ cheaper machine with the same performance) any day.
Three cheers for Trumpet Software! (assuming it works and they can get past Microsloth)
Posted by CanSmegWillSmeg:
There is a company in Houston called Universial Computer Systems( AKA U. C.heap S.hits). They have about an 200-300% turnover every 6-9 months. Most employees there make less than 20k a year & put in 60-80 Hours a weeks. All This without any perks.
Be Warned!!!!! STAR AWAY!!!!!
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangst:
>Anybody who doesn't leap right into the gang rape is a Microsoft mole?
The attitude is what gives it all away. Characterizing this as a gang rape bolsters my position that M$ moles are usually easy to spot.
M$ is the most powerful corporation in the world. Pointing out their anti-competitive and often illegal practices is NOT a gang rape.
LK
Posted by Mary CW:
Whether you think it's great to spend all your time at work depends on your stage in life, ie what else you have going on. If you're young, healthy, single, with no other hobbies/ commitments/interests - go for it. Companies are only too happy to let you sacrifice everything else in your life for a job. But watch out or you'll end up like some people here in Silicon Valley: getting older, no family, few friends, OK money but not rich yet, and no perspective on how to have a life outside the rat race.
Posted by DonR:
Thats exactly the point. You buy an iMac, or any other integrated PC. After awhile, you want to get a newer monitor. Ack! *gasp!* Now you need to buy a new machine? Great. Apple, or whoever, will be there, to sell you a new machine for another thousand bucks.
---
Donald Roeber
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangst:
Let me guess, either you just lost your girlfriend or your mother just ran off with a black jewish italiam man with a much bigger pecker than you or your dad have.
Am I right?
LK
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangst:
Why is it that you M$ moles are so easy to spot?
LK
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
Making more immersive games (IMO) would relieve lots of stress. After all, why blow away all of your classmates when you can pretend to and not have to go to jail after?
LK
Posted by Jeff Martin:
These cached engines need to update on a daily basis if they intend to remain functional.
As websites often update, they change the pages and the names of pages to fit a new look or feel.The searches I used found pages that did not exist anymore, nor have they for a few months now.
Oh well maybe people will "back up" in the URL when they visit...
Posted by hrearden:
I dont know if this is feasible, as the Notes client might be needed to view one's designs. But since the Linux community is a bunch of coders, I think you might appeal to IBM this way.
The Designer is *supposedly* separated from the Notes Client in R5 (I say supposedly because they may share alot of code, I just dont know).
Posted by lamer_is_my_middle_name:
Whaddayamean?
There's already linux for the Mac, both for mk86 and PPC
Posted by Faithless the Wonder Boy:
If we were to make games completely real, they'd lose a lot of the fun. For instance, the rocket jump would simply send bits of player flying all over the arena. A one-hour deathmatch would result in all the players getting exhausted, and a couple of them dying from heart attacks. Also, control mechanisms would have to become much more advanced, giving you control of breathing, more exact control of limbs, etc. Such a system might be good for a simulation game such as 'Hidden and Dangerous', but it would lack the immediacy of Quake.
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Posted by zyberphox:
microsoft won't achieve its goal easily this time.
Posted by rdobbs:
The data that is being sent out is prone to corruption. However, it doesn't really affect the project as the packet, once returned, is compaired to the original data and checked for integrity.
If it don't fit - the datagram is tossed, and the packet is resent to another client for reprocessing. SETI has the original telescope radio data somewhere offsite - because if they didn't, the whole project would have been destroyed years ago...
Posted by Jeff Martin:
It is strange that they will not be making the Smartsuite for Linux.
Perhaps if we all ask nicely they might reconsider this stance.
Posted by Synsthe:
In other words, "bug off, spammers". May I point out that I have not received one piece of spam to my whois contact email addresses since NSI added this agreement to the whois record. May I also point out that I would get about two or three spams a week (if not more) sent to my whois address as recently as last fall, before NSI added the agreement.
Can I just say one thing? BS. =) Not only have 10 other people atleast said this exact thing, so I'm not sure why you're repeating it in the first place, but honestly, do you think spammers really give a damned about an extra few lines in the whois database? They don't.
1) If they did, these same people would abide by ISP AUPs that state spamming is not to be done through their mail servers on their domains, etc etc. They've never cared about that, why should it be different for something imposed by NSI?
2) Do you honestly think you could prove that the spammer got the info from NSI? You couldn't. Therefore why should they be worried about a legal implication such as this?
I think you're just imagining things about receiving less spam.
--
Mark Waterous (mark@projectlinux.org)
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
Rendering aside, this type of computer could consider more variables in a game than anything that is currently available. Back to the FPS game.
Let's just list a few factors which would influence the outcome of a match.
Height
Physical Condition
Heart Rate
Rate of Respiration
Lung Capacity
Age and related degeration of bodily systems
Type of footwear
Striations of the barrel of a firearm
Irregularities in the surface of a bullet
Wind Resistance
Crosswind
Temperature
If clothing fibers would clog a hollow point to such a degree that it won't expand
Finger Length
How a weapon performs as it heats up and the moving parts wear
Even if rendering routines for quantum computers are never written, it is the underlying computations that make the sim important, calculating voluminous numbers of possibilities is where the strength of quantum computing lies.
For example, quantum computers could determine exactly what is a perfect game of chess.
Rendering is the easy part, that can be handled by hardware that is only a few years away on our current path.
LK
Posted by OGL:
Why would I give a crap? By the time they actually come out (assuming it's not vaporware) there will be dozens more better and newer games for win98.
-W.W.
Posted by 2B||!2B:
It probably doesn't make any business sense for them to sell a Linux version. As far as I know, there's a Java version of Notes client which will handle any version of Linux/Unix/etc., anyway.
Doing a special version of Notes for each would be unlikely to ever be profitable (there would be a GNU equivalent within a month, anyway). You would have to sell a whole lot of copies to justify a special version, which won't ever happen with any of these specialty OS's. The Windows-tweaked version is probably more for psychological reasons than practical reasons; nobody gets excited about a Java version, but a Windows-specific version is easy to justify to management. Who knows... the Java version might be nearly as good as a Linux version, anyway. It's just a matter of a decent Java runtime engine. I've used Java code before that was literally _faster_ than the previous C(++) version once it was run through a proper compiler.