Clones are just identical twins who were born a little farther apart than normal twins. No big deal. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Somebody running MapBlast told me the location is in Glen Echo, MD in a CIA parking lot. I wonder whether it was a parking lot in 1980. Think "ID BY ROWS" could relate to parking lot rows?
Well, from what I've been able to find out, yes, it may be in a CIA parking lot. However, it is in Virginia rather than in Maryland.;)
For those who are interested in seeing for yourself where it is, I've got maps from various online map services and posted the lot of them here. Have fun;)
So now we all have to get ESR to rubberstamp our projects?
God, the open source movement is just full of little dictators.
How does this suggestion sound - let's do what we feel is right and avoid polishing ESR's ego by laying our offerings before him for his nod of approval.
I love all of this talk about "what needs to be done" about free speech.
If you want to make yourself look like an ass and send this guy a nasty note over linux of all things, as long as you don't break the law go for it. It's a free country.
If you want to send him a reasoned response, thats great too. By time you're done writing it, he'll have a procmail filter set up and you'll be in/dev/null before he ever sees it.
The open source movement is turning into a classic elitist/intellectual movement - popular at first, then a small group supresses the freedoms of most everyone else in order to serve their aims. See Russia, 1917, or, Germany, 1933.
We live in a big bad society. If you can't deal with flamers, lamers, assholes, and mouthpieces, you better start sucking on a revolver. It only gets tougher from her on in.
OSI Certified means the software is open. Public Domain software is open, but only incidentally. Company B can easily take the software (even without mods) and re-release closed with the same name. How evil is THAT??
Major market confusion thus weakening the power of the OSI mark. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Yes, it would exclude BSD. As it should, because BSD is not guaranteed free. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
...that one of the requirement for "OSI Certified" is:
- Program cannot be modified and redistributed w/o source by non-vendor party
This requirement would be mostly for the protection of the vendor and would prevent Company A releasing source that Company B modifies and re-releases closed source.
-- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
The cases we sheild at work have nickel acrylic sprayed on the inside. They say that the trend is towards copper, but only because it is easier to landfill in Europe. It is a big thing for CE certification, or so I am told.
My question for the nerds out there isn't about number crunching... is SETI going to really tell us if we find something? If my computer finds a signal among a trillion radio waves I want it to light up like a pinball machine and spit quarters out of the floppy drive.
I'll assume from context you really meant "MS knows First Impressions" or something, because brother, they ain't got a clue on GUI's.
I actually PREFER to use FVWM in X to Win95 (except for cut 'n' paste). -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Let me get this straight. The people who put "MS" in "MSNBC" have no influence whatsoever over the editorial content?
They aren't involved in hiring or firing anyone? They don't provide any advertising revenue? They don't provide any funding in any form (such as paychecks, lowered/eliminated prices on hardware/software)?
No influence? Or invisible influence? Or all-pervasive influence that the (no offense) serfs such as yourself don't even notice?
I'm sure you've never gotten a call from MS in the middle of the night: "Nice family you've got there. Be a shame if somethin' happen'd to it." But that doesn't mean they have no influence. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Governments will happily pay that much. Especially foreign governments. They can do their nuclear weapons research without ever being detected. If it'll be possible ot cluster a few of those babies a country like Afghanistan, Iraq, or Pakistan could play catch up on 50 years of nuclear weapons research in a decade.
104 million dollars is a pittance to spend for that much knowledge.
Granted these won't be allowed to be exported for that reason, but who's to say one of those foreign powers won't send someone with enough cash to set up a dummy operation here in North America?
Me too. I have neither seen nor tried anything to make me want to put any faith in Java. As far as I'm concerned, Java is still only an Internet/web page language, and that's where it should stay.
It is hypocritical though. They might complain about Microsoft's dominance (monopoly) of the PC market, yet they want to create and control a market with only one OS on even more types of computers. Hmmmmmmmmm
Step 1: Group of Programmers G creates Program P with Feature Set F and releases it under License L.
Step 2: Company C takes P, adds (f1, f2, f3,... fn) to F and re-releases under License L1.
Now, if L = GPL, then L1 = GPL and the source code to (f1, f2, f3,... fn) is available to everyone.
If L = BSD, L1 can be anything at all, including a license that hides the source code to (f1, f2, f3,... fn).
At this point we would have a code fork. And not just any code fork, because source code for (f1, f2, f3,... fn) is inaccessible. Sure, the original source code is available, but what if I need f1? I'm SOL, unless I expend the resource to reengineer. You may remember this part from my first post.
And as time goes on this only gets worse unless someone is working their hump off to play catchup to Company C--and it is all duplicated effort. Incredibly stupid.
Why not just use the GPL to ensure fair play by all? Sure, having a referee on the baseball diamond takes a little freedom away--but only the freedom to cheat. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
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Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Clones are just identical twins who were born a little farther apart than normal twins. No big deal.
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"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Scryer said:
Well, from what I've been able to find out, yes, it may be in a CIA parking lot. However, it is in Virginia rather than in Maryland. ;)
For those who are interested in seeing for yourself where it is, I've got maps from various online map services and posted the lot of them here. Have fun ;)
Posted by d106ene5:
Yes, freedom of speech means a few rotten apples.
I prefer that to having some "community" tell me what I can or cannot write or say.
When you write a stupid flame mail, you represent yourself. No one else. No "community".
Maybe Slashdot should form a soviet, er, committee for approved opinions regarding linux.
Posted by d106ene5:
What makes you think everyone who has an opinion to express is part of your "community"? Who the hell is "the community"? What a ridiculous crock.
There is no community. Speak for yourself.
Posted by d106ene5:
They have a picture of ESR on the top page.
He isn't in his karate kid outfit, but its close.
Posted by Nina Simone:
You can find it here:
http://discuss.userland.com/msgReader$7162
In addition to Neal, who are the best web writers we have?
Posted by d106ene5:
So now we all have to get ESR to rubberstamp our projects?
God, the open source movement is just full of little dictators.
How does this suggestion sound - let's do what we feel is right and avoid polishing ESR's ego by laying our offerings before him for his nod of approval.
Posted by d106ene5:
/dev/null before he ever sees it.
I love all of this talk about "what needs to be done" about free speech.
If you want to make yourself look like an ass and send this guy a nasty note over linux of all things, as long as you don't break the law go for it. It's a free country.
If you want to send him a reasoned response, thats great too. By time you're done writing it, he'll have a procmail filter set up and you'll be in
The open source movement is turning into a classic elitist/intellectual movement - popular at first, then a small group supresses the freedoms of most everyone else in order to serve their aims. See Russia, 1917, or, Germany, 1933.
Posted by d106ene5:
We live in a big bad society. If you can't deal with flamers, lamers, assholes, and mouthpieces, you better start sucking on a revolver. It only gets tougher from her on in.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
OSI Certified means the software is open. Public Domain software is open, but only incidentally. Company B can easily take the software (even without mods) and re-release closed with the same name. How evil is THAT??
Major market confusion thus weakening the power of the OSI mark.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Yes, it would exclude BSD. As it should, because BSD is not guaranteed free.
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"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by phat5n00p3r:
The concept in itself is laughable given that the nature of Open Source is to be >OPEN.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
...that one of the requirement for "OSI Certified" is:
- Program cannot be modified and redistributed w/o source by non-vendor party
This requirement would be mostly for the protection of the vendor and would prevent Company A releasing source that Company B modifies and re-releases closed source.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by HeapDump:
The cases we sheild at work have nickel acrylic sprayed on the inside. They say that the trend is towards copper, but only because it is easier to landfill in Europe. It is a big thing for CE certification, or so I am told.
Posted by dangerangel:
My question for the nerds out there isn't about number crunching... is SETI going to really tell us if we find something? If my computer finds a signal among a trillion radio waves I want it to light up like a pinball machine and spit quarters out of the floppy drive.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
I'll assume from context you really meant "MS knows First Impressions" or something, because brother, they ain't got a clue on GUI's.
I actually PREFER to use FVWM in X to Win95 (except for cut 'n' paste).
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"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
If they do, I'm sure we'll see the story on Slashdot:
Truisms for Nerds. Stuff that's Obvious.
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"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Let me get this straight. The people who put "MS" in "MSNBC" have no influence whatsoever over the editorial content?
They aren't involved in hiring or firing anyone?
They don't provide any advertising revenue?
They don't provide any funding in any form (such as paychecks, lowered/eliminated prices on hardware/software)?
No influence? Or invisible influence? Or all-pervasive influence that the (no offense) serfs such as yourself don't even notice?
I'm sure you've never gotten a call from MS in the middle of the night: "Nice family you've got there. Be a shame if somethin' happen'd to it." But that doesn't mean they have no influence.
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"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by generic kewl tech reference:
Exactly. See #2.
Posted by SmashPHASE:
Java break, you mean....
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
Governments will happily pay that much. Especially foreign governments. They can do their nuclear weapons research without ever being detected. If it'll be possible ot cluster a few of those babies a country like Afghanistan, Iraq, or Pakistan could play catch up on 50 years of nuclear weapons research in a decade.
104 million dollars is a pittance to spend for that much knowledge.
Granted these won't be allowed to be exported for that reason, but who's to say one of those foreign powers won't send someone with enough cash to set up a dummy operation here in North America?
LK
Posted by stodge:
Me too. I have neither seen nor tried anything to make me want to put any faith in Java. As far as I'm concerned, Java is still only an Internet/web page language, and that's where it should stay.
It is hypocritical though. They might complain about Microsoft's dominance (monopoly) of the PC market, yet they want to create and control a market with only one OS on even more types of computers. Hmmmmmmmmm
Imagine, Direct X under Java? *shudder*
On the page about the iishack exploit they say they don't know if it will work on service pack 3 systems, and would like reports one way or the other.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
... fn) to F and re-releases under License L1.
... fn) is available to everyone.
... fn).
... fn) is inaccessible. Sure, the original source code is available, but what if I need f1? I'm SOL, unless I expend the resource to reengineer. You may remember this part from my first post.
Step 1: Group of Programmers G creates Program P with Feature Set F and releases it under License L.
Step 2: Company C takes P, adds (f1, f2, f3,
Now, if L = GPL, then L1 = GPL and the source code to (f1, f2, f3,
If L = BSD, L1 can be anything at all, including a license that hides the source code to (f1, f2, f3,
At this point we would have a code fork. And not just any code fork, because source code for (f1, f2, f3,
And as time goes on this only gets worse unless someone is working their hump off to play catchup to Company C--and it is all duplicated effort. Incredibly stupid.
Why not just use the GPL to ensure fair play by all? Sure, having a referee on the baseball diamond takes a little freedom away--but only the freedom to cheat.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Other headlines:
Experts Announce: Fire is Hot
"Pope is Catholic," Theologian Claims
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"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda