I wonder how many computer science folks (professors, professionals, script kiddies, etc.) know how to operate a backhoe.
Nothing would be funnier, however, than seeing some 6'2", 90 pound guy with long, greasy black hair, dressed in black and wearing a Magic robe trying to work a backhoe.:-)
I agree with you wholeheartedly. In fact I have a twisted sense of respect for those who destroy their own creations. Too many "artists" create their work primarily for approval of others/money. I guess anyone who creates something beautiful and then destroys it clearly created it solely for their enjoyment, not for others' approval or monetary gain.
There are some good AnswerGeek articles on this topic... the recommendation from that article was if you wanted to remove a file the best bet would be to drill a hole in your hard drive...
Netscape Says: Microsoft is a big bad monopoly, using its influence to bully competitors and hurt consumers. Netscape's Response : We'll join forces with Sun and AOL and Time-Warner to form our own monopoly. (And yes, Time-Warner/AOL have dicked with consumers and muscled competitors too, such as shutting off ABC channels...)
Netscape Says: We want IE integrated out of Windows!
Netscape's Response : Hmmm... everyone knows IE is better than Netscape, who would use Netscape on Linux when they could use IE? OK, IE in Windows!
This reminds me of that Simpsons Halloween special, where the two aliens - Kudoz and Kang - take the form of Dole and Clinton vying for election in November.
Kang (disguised as Dole and in an very monotone voice): Abortions for all. Crowds boo... Kang: All right then, abortions for none. Crowds boo... Kang: Hmmm... very well, abortions for some, miniature American flags for the rest. Crowd cheers...
What fucking hypocrits, it's the classic example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Just like the I Love You worm was not caused by Outlook. Stupid users perpetuated the worm, just like stupid gun users are responsible for killing others.
(semi-sarcastic, I think, although I find it hard to tell when I'm being due growing up in our society)
. If it's executable, your Windows email client should helpfully ask you "Executable files can compromise your data and security. Are you sure you want to execute this file?"
It does. I installed a more recent "security patch" which won't let you run executables at all from your email client. You acutally have to save them to disk first. Maybe that should be the default...
Hmm...you're from 4guysfromrolla.com, eh? What a coincidence, considering I've used your website to learn about half what I know of ASP/VBScript
Glad to hear!:)
A lot of people assume those who use ASP are Microsoft-loving VB-loving, bend over for Bill folks. I like ASP a lot, I use it a lot, it is very powerful and fun to program in. However, I am also a student, run Linux, like C/C++ just as much, etc.
I'm just laughing at all those silly people (and companies) running the Windows/Outlook combo
Don't forget, part of the problem is the ignorant users who run a script sent to them! Ugh. It's kind of like saying, "Guns are responsible for killing a ton of people, therefore get rid of guns."
Yes, guns are part of the problem (as is Outlook/Windows), but someone has to pull the trigger on the gun, and someone has to run the attachment...
I theory I don't mind ASP too much. By using Javascript (JScript in MS speak) instead VBScript you can avoid any real BASIC brain damage risk, and also you can use OOP which becomes invaluable for larger projects
VBScript v.5 supports VB classes...
Documentation. At least for the JScript part it is a complete work of fiction
There are third-party companies that have ported ASP to non-MS Web servers. Granted, there is a cost to buy those ports...
Feature starved. You can't even do file upload without 3rd party software. ASP doesn't come with a big range of libraries to use like PHP does. Although you can use all that COM, ActiveX stuff, but that often requires having to use 3rd party software. (Read: extra expense, and you can't be sure that the Web host you deploy on actually has the extra software you need installed). Simply put, you don't have everything you need right in front of you like you do with PHP
I always hear this as a disad, but I find it good. ASP is tightly focused, aiming to do one thing and one thing well: interpret requests from the client and send back information. All other functionality being "imbedded" in ASP is wasteful, since ASP can interact with COM. Put that functionality in a COM component and let other developers (not just ASP developers, but VB/VC++/VJ developers too) benefit as well.
There are some really large Web sites that use ASP. ASP really kicks ass, especially with IIS 5. The complaints often brought up against Microsoft's Web "solutions" are on the IIS/NT side - not ASP.
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if you don't have time maybe you shouldn't invest
So what am I suppose to do with my money? Buy expensive items (car, boat, house)? Hide it under my bed? Putting it in a bank is just giving someone who does have the time to invest free capital!
As far as your MS stock goes, well you've heard both the findings of fact and law now, so if you wanted to avoid punishment under my system you would've sold your stock by now to avoid it
Very true. I would have sold it a long time ago!:)
I don't think my actions now are deplorable. Perhaps in your utopia they would be, but we do not live in a utopia. I play by the rules and invest in a solid, financial company. Although you may see this as morally or philosophically wrong, I don't.
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I was not being sarcastic, it's an interesting idea. Right now corporations answer to the shareholders (or at least the few big ones), which they should, since they are owned by the shareholders. The shareholders know that if the corporation does well (makes a lot of money) then more people will buy the stock.
Being a shareholder of MS, I don't want to see them broken up. Granted, having read the findings of facts, they deserve something severe. Fuck, they stiffled technology with Intel, screwed over Netscape/IBM... not cool. (A good investment, still (although the 12 point decline today is not proof of that, eh?).)
I don't know how you would punish the shareholders. Part of that might be totally unfair. Imagine that I own a big chunk of stock in some company and some guy in the company, whom I trust, just goes off and fucks over the company somehow. Perhaps signs contracts with companies who bribe him. Now, that is immoral, shareholders are punished. Is it fair that I be punished because of this one bozo's behavior?
This is even more the case if I am less of a shareholder. As a college student and a very tiny shareholder in MS, you can't expect me to have the time or energy to follow MS internals. I can't be held responsible for their actions because I don't have the time (or vested interest) to. I don't go to shareholders meetings, I don't follow the financials closely. It's like a CD or Money Market account at a bank - I plunk my money in and let it grow. I don't worry about the day-to-day details. Is it fair to punish me for "investing?"
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I have an interesting idea tho...if a company is found to have violated a law, then the shareholders of the company are the ones punished
I like that idea. A lot. Very interesting. The logistics of it would be next to impossible, but, yes, I think that would help tremendously in cleaning up the defunct morals of corporations.
Why do you think places like Yahoo! and Hotmail exist? To create spammed email accounts! I figured most everybody did this already, created a couple of emails accounts that they used when asked to enter their email address on a Web site or a registration card.
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All corporations, inherently, have screwy morals. Since profits must come before all else, it is inevitible. Pick a profitable company with scrupules, and I will consider investing in them.
Perhaps we should turn to the wise words of 2pac: "It's just the way it is. Some thing will never be the same.":)
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Well, I still think your argument is incredibly black and white, and that you fail to see any gray.
So, I guess this is what you want to hear:
I am a Microsoft tool. Hearing the letters MS gets me erect. I love it how Bill fucks over people and have wet dreams imagining how one day I might be able to do the same. I love Microsoft products, and refuse to use competing products, like Netscape, *Nix OSes, etc. I hope all you Linux zealots are crushed by Big Bill and that you all die a slow and tortureous death. HAHAHA! Windows rulez, you guys are all lamers.
Is that what you want to hear? A totally black and white response. Granted, I could give you the other side if you'd rather hear that from me... ("Linux is so cool, Bill is the most evil man in the universe..." and so on.) Some of us realize that there are GRAYs in the world, that everything is not black and white.
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Everyone that holds thier stock supports their practicesHmmmm... I guess this is true, but I think it is a little absurd. I have money in my local bank, in a checking account. Does this mean I support and approve of the actions of the Federal Reserve Board? Does my having a checking account mean I approve of what Alan Greenspan does? I don't think so. I view my investment in Microsoft in a similar fashion. I do not own Microsoft stock because I, philosophically, am a big Microsoftie. I need to put my money somewhere, and it came down to investing in stocks, mutual funds, or a money market/CD. I obviously chose the first approach, and chose Microsoft to invest in due to their financials, not their behavior. I wanted a steadily growing stock, not one that required a lot of micromanagement, like Yahoo! or other stocks. Take a quick look at Microsoft's 5 year stock pirce chart. Pretty damn steady growth. A little rocky the past year, but, overall, steady. Anyway, I don't think my minor investment in Microsoft means that I am an ardent supporter of their business practices. Your arguement suffers from the black and white fallicy. It would be like arguing that anyone who has purchased a computer with Windows supports Microsoft and therefore wishes to stiffle innovation.
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OK, so you don't like Microsoft, fine. Why the vehemenent attack on me, though? Since I am a small time (very small time) shareholder in Microsoft, I am to blame for their practices? Your entire argument has been directed at me and I, for the life of me, can't figure out why.
That's like saying, "An employee of mine drives like an asshole," and then you being upset at me, calling me names for employing such an asshole. I won't argue with your right to be pissed off at the employee, but you have no right to be mad at me.
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Stealing to survive is one thing; supporting a big lumbering company seeking to fuck over everyone (including its shareholders) is quite another
How do they fuck over their shareholders? Their stock value has done nothing but steadily increase over the past ten years. If that's "fucking over" a shareholder, I want the stock market to fuck me over more often.
Granted, those at the helm of MS fuck over a their competitors with insane abandon. However, having working inside the belly of the beast myself, the people who work at Microsoft are great folks - very nice and blindly intelligent.
i cannot forgive the wealthy one seeking only to add to his already obscene wealth by stealing from me
How the fuck am I stealing from you by investing in Microsoft? Furthermore, I am far from wealthy, a lowly college student with a piddly portfolio. You need to either better define why you have such a hate of Microsoft, because your fanatical hatred for the company seems out of place. A computer geek with an identity crisis, whose resolves identity conflicts by following the Slashdot crowd - boo hiss to Microsoft! I hate Bill! Linux rulez, d00d!
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Nothing would be funnier, however, than seeing some 6'2", 90 pound guy with long, greasy black hair, dressed in black and wearing a Magic robe trying to work a backhoe. :-)
I agree with you wholeheartedly. In fact I have a twisted sense of respect for those who destroy their own creations. Too many "artists" create their work primarily for approval of others/money. I guess anyone who creates something beautiful and then destroys it clearly created it solely for their enjoyment, not for others' approval or monetary gain.
Here are the articles:
Trashing your PC - http://archive.abc news.go.com/sections/tech/Geek/geek000706.html
Data Dump - http://archive.abc news.go.com/sections/tech/Geek/geek000622.html
The Hard (Drive) Facts - http://archive.abc news.go.com/sections/tech/Geek/geek000615.html
Or you could just try and fuck with the other program's strategy and return a value of -427 from your r/s/p function.
Lisa Thinking to Herself: Poor Bart, always chooses Rock.
Bart Thinking to Himself: Ah rock, you never loose.
Lisa pulls out a paper and Bart emits a junior "D'oh."
Netscape's Response : We'll join forces with Sun and AOL and Time-Warner to form our own monopoly. (And yes, Time-Warner/AOL have dicked with consumers and muscled competitors too, such as shutting off ABC channels...)
Netscape Says: We want IE integrated out of Windows!
Netscape's Response : Hmmm... everyone knows IE is better than Netscape, who would use Netscape on Linux when they could use IE? OK, IE in Windows!
This reminds me of that Simpsons Halloween special, where the two aliens - Kudoz and Kang - take the form of Dole and Clinton vying for election in November.
Kang (disguised as Dole and in an very monotone voice): Abortions for all.
Crowds boo...
Kang: All right then, abortions for none.
Crowds boo...
Kang: Hmmm... very well, abortions for some, miniature American flags for the rest.
Crowd cheers...
What fucking hypocrits, it's the classic example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Just like the I Love You worm was not caused by Outlook. Stupid users perpetuated the worm, just like stupid gun users are responsible for killing others.
(semi-sarcastic, I think, although I find it hard to tell when I'm being due growing up in our society)
There was a bit of downtime, at least a second. /. was down like two hours ago...
Tee hee, but anyway, a couple minutes of downtime is good... :-)
It does. I installed a more recent "security patch" which won't let you run executables at all from your email client. You acutally have to save them to disk first. Maybe that should be the default...
Glad to hear! :)
A lot of people assume those who use ASP are Microsoft-loving VB-loving, bend over for Bill folks. I like ASP a lot, I use it a lot, it is very powerful and fun to program in. However, I am also a student, run Linux, like C/C++ just as much, etc.
Don't forget, part of the problem is the ignorant users who run a script sent to them! Ugh. It's kind of like saying, "Guns are responsible for killing a ton of people, therefore get rid of guns."
Yes, guns are part of the problem (as is Outlook/Windows), but someone has to pull the trigger on the gun, and someone has to run the attachment...
VBScript v.5 supports VB classes...
Documentation. At least for the JScript part it is a complete work of fiction
There are oodles of tech docs at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting.
C ost. You need NT to run it
There are third-party companies that have ported ASP to non-MS Web servers. Granted, there is a cost to buy those ports...
Feature starved. You can't even do file upload without 3rd party software. ASP doesn't come with a big range of libraries to use like PHP does. Although you can use all that COM, ActiveX stuff, but that often requires having to use 3rd party software. (Read: extra expense, and you can't be sure that the Web host you deploy on actually has the extra software you need installed). Simply put, you don't have everything you need right in front of you like you do with PHP
I always hear this as a disad, but I find it good. ASP is tightly focused, aiming to do one thing and one thing well: interpret requests from the client and send back information. All other functionality being "imbedded" in ASP is wasteful, since ASP can interact with COM. Put that functionality in a COM component and let other developers (not just ASP developers, but VB/VC++/VJ developers too) benefit as well.
Furthermore, you can go one step further and use the XML DOM Engine and have ASP pages leave all the presentation up to XSL style sheets...
There are some really large Web sites that use ASP. ASP really kicks ass, especially with IIS 5. The complaints often brought up against Microsoft's Web "solutions" are on the IIS/NT side - not ASP.
So what am I suppose to do with my money? Buy expensive items (car, boat, house)? Hide it under my bed? Putting it in a bank is just giving someone who does have the time to invest free capital!
As far as your MS stock goes, well you've heard both the findings of fact and law now, so if you wanted to avoid punishment under my system you would've sold your stock by now to avoid it
Very true. I would have sold it a long time ago! :)
I don't think my actions now are deplorable. Perhaps in your utopia they would be, but we do not live in a utopia. I play by the rules and invest in a solid, financial company. Although you may see this as morally or philosophically wrong, I don't.
Being a shareholder of MS, I don't want to see them broken up. Granted, having read the findings of facts, they deserve something severe. Fuck, they stiffled technology with Intel, screwed over Netscape/IBM... not cool. (A good investment, still (although the 12 point decline today is not proof of that, eh?).)
I don't know how you would punish the shareholders. Part of that might be totally unfair. Imagine that I own a big chunk of stock in some company and some guy in the company, whom I trust, just goes off and fucks over the company somehow. Perhaps signs contracts with companies who bribe him. Now, that is immoral, shareholders are punished. Is it fair that I be punished because of this one bozo's behavior?
This is even more the case if I am less of a shareholder. As a college student and a very tiny shareholder in MS, you can't expect me to have the time or energy to follow MS internals. I can't be held responsible for their actions because I don't have the time (or vested interest) to. I don't go to shareholders meetings, I don't follow the financials closely. It's like a CD or Money Market account at a bank - I plunk my money in and let it grow. I don't worry about the day-to-day details. Is it fair to punish me for "investing?"
I like that idea. A lot. Very interesting. The logistics of it would be next to impossible, but, yes, I think that would help tremendously in cleaning up the defunct morals of corporations.
Why do you think places like Yahoo! and Hotmail exist? To create spammed email accounts! I figured most everybody did this already, created a couple of emails accounts that they used when asked to enter their email address on a Web site or a registration card.
Perhaps we should turn to the wise words of 2pac: "It's just the way it is. Some thing will never be the same." :)
So, I guess this is what you want to hear:
Is that what you want to hear? A totally black and white response. Granted, I could give you the other side if you'd rather hear that from me... ("Linux is so cool, Bill is the most evil man in the universe..." and so on.) Some of us realize that there are GRAYs in the world, that everything is not black and white.
Everyone that holds thier stock supports their practicesHmmmm... I guess this is true, but I think it is a little absurd. I have money in my local bank, in a checking account. Does this mean I support and approve of the actions of the Federal Reserve Board? Does my having a checking account mean I approve of what Alan Greenspan does? I don't think so. I view my investment in Microsoft in a similar fashion. I do not own Microsoft stock because I, philosophically, am a big Microsoftie. I need to put my money somewhere, and it came down to investing in stocks, mutual funds, or a money market/CD. I obviously chose the first approach, and chose Microsoft to invest in due to their financials, not their behavior. I wanted a steadily growing stock, not one that required a lot of micromanagement, like Yahoo! or other stocks. Take a quick look at Microsoft's 5 year stock pirce chart. Pretty damn steady growth. A little rocky the past year, but, overall, steady. Anyway, I don't think my minor investment in Microsoft means that I am an ardent supporter of their business practices. Your arguement suffers from the black and white fallicy. It would be like arguing that anyone who has purchased a computer with Windows supports Microsoft and therefore wishes to stiffle innovation.
That's like saying, "An employee of mine drives like an asshole," and then you being upset at me, calling me names for employing such an asshole. I won't argue with your right to be pissed off at the employee, but you have no right to be mad at me.
How do they fuck over their shareholders? Their stock value has done nothing but steadily increase over the past ten years. If that's "fucking over" a shareholder, I want the stock market to fuck me over more often.
Granted, those at the helm of MS fuck over a their competitors with insane abandon. However, having working inside the belly of the beast myself, the people who work at Microsoft are great folks - very nice and blindly intelligent.
i cannot forgive the wealthy one seeking only to add to his already obscene wealth by stealing from me
How the fuck am I stealing from you by investing in Microsoft? Furthermore, I am far from wealthy, a lowly college student with a piddly portfolio. You need to either better define why you have such a hate of Microsoft, because your fanatical hatred for the company seems out of place. A computer geek with an identity crisis, whose resolves identity conflicts by following the Slashdot crowd - boo hiss to Microsoft! I hate Bill! Linux rulez, d00d!
A funny interview, nevertheless....