After having read the posts in that thread,
it sounds like RedHat did extensive testing
of ReiserFS and found several bugs (many of
which have since been fixed).
Not sure why you make out the arguments to
be overly personal. Alan seemed quite
willing to accept reiserfs patches in the
AC kernels.
When I loaded slashdot, there was a banner add
at the top asking me to fill out a survey and
be entered for a chance to win $1000.
So what the heck, I click on it. They're trying
to gather some information to help with their advertising. No problem, that's what these surveys are usually for. I'm merrily
filling out the survey, and everything's fine,
until I hit this question:
13. Which of the following actions have you taken as a result of visiting an OSDN site? (CHECK ALL THAT APPLY)
Clicked on an ad and visited an advertiser's Web site
Clicked on a link to a vendor site from an article
E-mailed for more information through the advertiser's e-mail address
Recommended OSDN network to a friend, relative, or business associate
Purchased a product or service reviewed by OSDN network
Purchased a product or service advertised on OSDN network
Other (please specify)
Did you notice that second item?
Now I'll be wondering if the articles themselves have been bought by advertisers...
I end up buying Intel CPU's for one reason:
I want to buy Dell. I recommend Dell to all
my friends and family, I use them at work, and
I own one myself. They're pretty reliable and
fairly inexpensive. And when something does go
wrong, the on-site support is very nice.
If Dell decides to start using AMD cpu's, then
my next purchase would most likely be a Dell
with AMD inside.
In "The Running Man", the world is horribly polluted, and air pollution is killing people, but the government simply pretends there is no problem. Sound familiar?
Yeah, kind of familiar.
Except there is no problem, but the government pretends that it is horrible and that air pollution is killing people.
And if you would have read the linked-to white
paper instead of just spouting your ignorant reply, you would have read:
STL was originally developed as part of the Solaris Compatibility Libraries (SCL) [5] for the Compaq Tru64 UNIX operating system. SCL was developed to ease the porting of Solaris applications to Tru64 UNIX.
As has already been stated, Gartner asked end-users what they installed on their computers after they bought them. Not what was pre-installed on their computer. Implication: either Linux doesn't have the marketshare zealots want to belive, or accurately assessing server marketshare is difficult. You decide.
But then, here's a quote from Gartner's survey:
The study results indicated that in the traditional server market in the United States during the third quarter of 2000, 8.6 percent of server
shipments were Linux-based systems.
So you might want to try reading the survey itself, instead of some marketing guy's <cough> misunderstandings about it.
The problem with cygnus is that they are not resposible for the software. No one is and that is just unacceptable for any major company.
What planet are you from?
Cygnus is responsible for the software.
The contract that you sign with them says so.
You pay money, you report bugs, they're required
to fix them, and give you binary and source code updates.
They are very much responsible for the software.
Their software developers are some of the most
knowledgable on the gnu compiler collection.
I didn't mean to imply that the post was bad
in any way. I thought it was pretty good,
but it was obviously inspired by Twain, so I
thought others should read the Master Troll.
Cost of the os is really infinitesimal to the actual systems design though don't ya think?
Depends. For a startup company, the cost can
be prohibitive. Remember, I'm talking about the
cost of the source code, for which most companies
charge significant amounts (equivalent to several
full-time developers over a funding period). But for well-established companies, I agree, it's not an issue.
We're talking about specialists though. Personally, no matter how good of a kernel programmer Alan Cox is, I don't want him poking around in my microwaves chips design, because he doesn't know the system. See my point there?
Sorry, I don't.
The good folks at Wind River don't know any more
about microwave chips than Alan Cox. But both
are specialists in OS design and development,
and I would trust Alan Cox to fix my SMP issue
as much as (or more than) I would the folks at
Wind River.
The reason these things work so well is that they run 1 thing.
At the very low end, I agree with you.
But if you're only running one thread, then
even VxWorks is overkill for your application.
Now, if you have a system with multiple
threads, and enough horsepower/memory, then
a Unix or Windows kernel starts to look very
attractive. The development and debugging
environments for these OSen are a lot better
than what's available for most of the
traditional embedded OSen.
And putting some version of the kernel into an embedded system is still pointless, even if it is open for everyone, as it is useless to all but embedded systems users.
From the user's POV, I can see where it doesn't
make a difference, but that doesn't mean that it's
pointless.
And why would any embedded systems company really/want/ an OS os?
There are several:
Better development/debugging environments than the traditional embedded OSen (this applies to Windows as well as Linux).
Access to the source code w/o the high price. Don't underestimate this one. I can't tell you
how many bugs I've found in some well-known
embedded OSen.
Better code/support. There are more people looking at, fixing, & understanding Linux code
than for most (any?) embedded OSen. The quality
of the code tends to be higher.
I think the only real victory is for zealots who think they are 'beating' MS.
Just to clarify, I think Windows will also begin
to displace the traditional embedded OSen. I
don't think this is merely a victory for Linux.
Oh sure, you still have some devices that are
to weak to run a heavy operating system like a
Unix or a Windows, but nowadays many embedded
devices have plenty of power for running these
OSen.
So Linux and Microsoft are competing for a growing
market. And if your embedded device is powerful
enough to run a Linux, then there are some
very big advantages to running it instead of a
VxWorks, especially in the areas of debugging and
support.
But even now most fiber is enormously underutilized.
Sure, at the endpoints. But that is not the
case in the core of the internet.
Talk to someone from UUNET. They'll tell you
about trying to double capacity every 6 months
in order to keep up with the demand. It won't
be long before today's "fat honkin' pipes" are
tomorrow's "2400 baud modem line".
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Trident doesn't want to make the interface public because they are afraid that one of their competitors have already patented part of the design!
Opening up the interface makes it easier for their competitors to discover patent violations and opens them up to lawsuits.
Not sure why you make out the arguments to be overly personal. Alan seemed quite willing to accept reiserfs patches in the AC kernels.
Hope you at least enjoyed the bait!
So what the heck, I click on it. They're trying to gather some information to help with their advertising. No problem, that's what these surveys are usually for. I'm merrily filling out the survey, and everything's fine, until I hit this question:
Did you notice that second item?Now I'll be wondering if the articles themselves have been bought by advertisers...
If Dell decides to start using AMD cpu's, then my next purchase would most likely be a Dell with AMD inside.
Except there is no problem, but the government pretends that it is horrible and that air pollution is killing people.
Maybe people will get confused and think about some other popular library?
sniff, sniff!!!
"Phew, I'm guessing it's some kind of alien contraceptive. Used, apparently."
Cygnus is responsible for the software. The contract that you sign with them says so. You pay money, you report bugs, they're required to fix them, and give you binary and source code updates.
They are very much responsible for the software. Their software developers are some of the most knowledgable on the gnu compiler collection.
I didn't mean to imply that the post was bad in any way. I thought it was pretty good, but it was obviously inspired by Twain, so I thought others should read the Master Troll.
Go read the original story here, by Mark Twain.
Ok folks, once again: RMS is NOT against capitalism. He's NOT against people making money from software.
He just wants users of software to have the ability to fix and enhance it!
There are plenty of good reasons for bashing RMS, but this is not one of them. Please stop spreading this FUD.
The good folks at Wind River don't know any more about microwave chips than Alan Cox. But both are specialists in OS design and development, and I would trust Alan Cox to fix my SMP issue as much as (or more than) I would the folks at Wind River.
Now, if you have a system with multiple threads, and enough horsepower/memory, then a Unix or Windows kernel starts to look very attractive. The development and debugging environments for these OSen are a lot better than what's available for most of the traditional embedded OSen.
From the user's POV, I can see where it doesn't make a difference, but that doesn't mean that it's pointless. There are several:- Better development/debugging environments than the traditional embedded OSen (this applies to Windows as well as Linux).
- Access to the source code w/o the high price. Don't underestimate this one. I can't tell you
how many bugs I've found in some well-known
embedded OSen.
- Better code/support. There are more people looking at, fixing, & understanding Linux code
than for most (any?) embedded OSen. The quality
of the code tends to be higher.
Just to clarify, I think Windows will also begin to displace the traditional embedded OSen. I don't think this is merely a victory for Linux.Oh sure, you still have some devices that are to weak to run a heavy operating system like a Unix or a Windows, but nowadays many embedded devices have plenty of power for running these OSen.
So Linux and Microsoft are competing for a growing market. And if your embedded device is powerful enough to run a Linux, then there are some very big advantages to running it instead of a VxWorks, especially in the areas of debugging and support.
But why stop there?
I don't consent to working at my job, because the only reason I work there is because of dire economic need!
That's right! I'm a slave!
Employment is indistinguishable from slavery! It's time that we outlaw employment once and for all!
Do you have caller id blocked?
I'm not saying they would do it, but the potential is there to correlate your phone number and your viewing preferences.
Talk to someone from UUNET. They'll tell you about trying to double capacity every 6 months in order to keep up with the demand. It won't be long before today's "fat honkin' pipes" are tomorrow's "2400 baud modem line".