yep, like how they EOL'd win98 last year after 9 years of support, and foxpro after 10+ years.
The biggest difference is that Microsoft claimed as of six months ago that they were still actively developing FoxPro and that their would be new releases, so lots of people (my employer included) were still maintaining their legacy applications instead of porting them to another system. Guess they changed their mind.
The problem is, under GPLv3, you can't prevent people form installing their own versions of things, even if you use the unmodified samba.
That is correct. If it's your hardware, don't give them access. If it's their hardware, you don't have the right to prevent them from modifying it.
Allowing people to install their own stuff is a maintencance nightmare, and will kill a small business.
Did you read any of my post? State in your support contract that you only support unmodified installations. This is pretty much universally true in every other field - ever try getting warranty service on a car engine you hacked? - so I don't know why people are so terrified to come out and say it in the software industry.
Tell them: "We sold you a specific, working configuration. We will support that configuration. Although you have the ability to change it, if you do, we cannot and will not support it under our standard contract."
the key point of v2 is granting the freedom to use the software and modify it as you see fit as long as any changes to software are distributed.
No. The GPL is about and has always been about freedom for the end user. Tivoization removes freedom from the end users against the spirit of the GPLv2. GPLv3 closes that loophole and restores the freedom.
so if someone wants to continue using newer version of Samba in their product AND retain control over over their product - they either have to fork it from GPLv2 version or switch to something different
To put it bluntly, that's stupid. If you are distributing a plain Samba, then you don't have to do a thing. If you're distributing a patched Samba, then you have to make the patches available just as you always have. Beyond that, you have no reasonable right to prevent your customers from replacing the version you ship with a newer one - it's their property.
I have to control the environment precisely and if some idiot on client site decides to play around with it and break it, I do not have the resources to support it and keep fixing it.
In big letters in the support contract: "WE ONLY SUPPORT THE SOFTWARE AS SHIPPED". There. Problem solved.
Just because we have faster systems does not mean we can add more bloat.
You're smoking crack. Old systems sucked. Do you really think that embedded bitmaps and the inability to work outside of Europe and the Americas is good? Or maybe you liked the days when every word processor came with its own set of printer drivers. That, to me, is bloat.
If you want to strip Javascript out of particular sites or something similar, you should set up a transparent proxy at your router to do that to all outbound traffic.
If you have enough desktops for this to be an issue, you should do it anyway. Why on earth would you want to fetch 500 copies of Google's home page when you could let your trusty Squid cache fetch one and serve it 500 times? If you have more than a handful of people visiting external websites, Squid is a huge win for bandwidth savings alone. Throw in a content filter (like DansGuardian, which is GPL and therefore free to use regardless of his idiotic ramblings to the contrary) and it's a no-brainer.
Linus' is more pragmatic. RMS is driven by his particular beliefs.
That cracks me up. Let's try again in compsci terms: "Linus uses a greedy algorithm; RMS does not". Linus's method is fine when the best solution right now turns out to be OK in the long run, but produces decidedly suboptimal results when it ends up heading down a blind alley.
For example, BitKeeper. Yes, people will argue that by using BitKeeper for a little while, kernel development advanced more than it would have otherwise. Alternatively, you could equally argue that it prevented a lot of people from getting involved who otherwise might have, and since its replacement ("git") was originally written in four days, it seems that it was a wholly unnecessary departure.
Linus is a sharp guy, and his decisions usually make since - at least for the very near short term. In the long haul, though, I'd go with RMS every time. He simply has a much better track record at making accurate distant predictions. In my opinion, that makes RMS the more pragmatic of the two.
Consequently, limiting class-action suits, along with court-awarded damages and restitution is a horrible idea; corporations would be able to literally kill thousands and still turn a profit!
How about my idea: punitive damages go to the federal government's general fund. That way, you can still punish corporations that don't understand motivations other than financial penalties, but remove all profit incentive from the equation. Would this have any drawbacks?
It could be. As I said to another poster, although we're friends, we're not extremely close. At least, we're not close enough that I'd feel comfortable asking about the distinction.
However, I was shot in the ear by a paintball gun once. The ball basically formed a perfect seal with the hole, and I honestly thought I was dying at first. It was agonizing. Once I was able to walk without throwing up, the pain gradually decreased and mostly went away. I saw a doctor shortly after and he said that it didn't look like there was permanent damage, but if there was, it probably wouldn't be treatable anyway so there wasn't a lot of point to expensive and invasive testing.
For several months afterward, that ear was extremely sensitive to loud noise. If a screen door slammed and I was within 30 feet, it sounded like an explosion in my head. I don't really have the jargon for this, but I could hear well until a certain (relatively low) volume level, and then everything distorted. From what this lady told me, it sounds like she's experiencing almost the exact same thing, but with a much lower threshold and tolerance for background noise.
I'm not an audiologist or neurologist, but my problem eventually went away and I'm hoping that hers has a similar origin and will get better as well.
They have small kids around the house and other reasons why she would want to hear everything, but without the random background noises most of the rest of us don't notice anymore. They live in the country so they don't have to deal with road noise, etc., so it's probably easier for them to adapt their environment to her than vice versa.
I don't know how she deals with planes and so on, having never travelled with them. While we're friends, we're not extremely close so I haven't asked for all the details.
Exactly. You want it running at the equivalent of "nice -19 recompile-dotnet" so that it is using 100% of the CPU but yielding it to anything else that asks. You don't want it to run for days and days, after all.
What was the resolution on that twinax? Did it do 1920x1200 times 4 (source: product info page)? Have the equivalent of 6 USB 2.0 ports? Support digital sound transport? Work on commodity hardware?
Remote displays have been around for quite a while, but this is the modern incarnation of it. I'm not going to turn town a terabyte SATA drive just because I used a DEC with hard drives in the 70s.
Why is this news
Because most of us (myself included) didn't know that such a thing existed until we read this story.
and why would you need to do this now?
For the same reason IBM did it in 1970: so you can use a computer without sitting right next to it.
We have a friend who damaged her ear in an accident and simply can't tolerate any level of white noise or background humming. Her and her husband have gone so far as to build onto their house and concentrate all of the noisy appliances into the new section so that the rest of the house can be silent. When they visit our house, we unplug the refrigerator while they're around.
When I tell her husband about this, he will place an order within the hour. They've had a hard time getting a silent PC that's quiet enough (yes, her ear is really that damaged) but still reasonably nice, and I'm certain they'd rather have a high-end, powerful PC that can sit in the "noisy part" of the house and still be absolutely silent at her desk.
How much has this whole rootkit debacle caused you to avoid Sony products?
Well, it wasn't just the rootkit for me - that was just icing on the cake. Just yesterday I bought a Samsung digital camera over a cheaper Sony with more pixels, partly because of their craziness and partly because it uses SD memory and AA batteries instead of Sony's Closed Format DuJour (tm).
it's less reliable because you don't have a multi-billion dollar vendor backing you when things go wrong.
The single most powerful counter I've found to that incorrect mindset is one little commercial. IBM says Linux is the future. That should be enough endorsement for the older crowd.
If I ever get drug resistant flesh eating bacteria, I am going to spray the living crap out of the infected area with Lysol
The problem with your idea is that the infection is usually internal. If you have a plan for getting the Lysol into your body, please don't hesitate to not tell me.
White Willow and Turmeric-Curcumin help with inflammation and pain.
It should. White willow bark is basically identical to aspirin, except that it has crappy quality control and inconsistent dosing, and costs a lot more.
Astragalus and Oscillicoxinum for flu and colds, as well as various homeopathics.
You forgot "witchcraft" and "UFOs", as long as we're on the subject of things that have no legitimate medical application.
Now if only they'd add MPEG-4 video support (H.264, even) along with external USB drives,
Right now, today, the Wii supports a web browser that can play back Youtube videos. Make your home media server have an option to render a given video in Flash and point your Wii's browser at it. Voila - home entertainment center.
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The biggest difference is that Microsoft claimed as of six months ago that they were still actively developing FoxPro and that their would be new releases, so lots of people (my employer included) were still maintaining their legacy applications instead of porting them to another system. Guess they changed their mind.
That is correct. If it's your hardware, don't give them access. If it's their hardware, you don't have the right to prevent them from modifying it.
Allowing people to install their own stuff is a maintencance nightmare, and will kill a small business.Did you read any of my post? State in your support contract that you only support unmodified installations. This is pretty much universally true in every other field - ever try getting warranty service on a car engine you hacked? - so I don't know why people are so terrified to come out and say it in the software industry.
Tell them: "We sold you a specific, working configuration. We will support that configuration. Although you have the ability to change it, if you do, we cannot and will not support it under our standard contract."
No. The GPL is about and has always been about freedom for the end user. Tivoization removes freedom from the end users against the spirit of the GPLv2. GPLv3 closes that loophole and restores the freedom.
To put it bluntly, that's stupid. If you are distributing a plain Samba, then you don't have to do a thing. If you're distributing a patched Samba, then you have to make the patches available just as you always have. Beyond that, you have no reasonable right to prevent your customers from replacing the version you ship with a newer one - it's their property.
I have to control the environment precisely and if some idiot on client site decides to play around with it and break it, I do not have the resources to support it and keep fixing it.In big letters in the support contract: "WE ONLY SUPPORT THE SOFTWARE AS SHIPPED". There. Problem solved.
You're smoking crack. Old systems sucked. Do you really think that embedded bitmaps and the inability to work outside of Europe and the Americas is good? Or maybe you liked the days when every word processor came with its own set of printer drivers. That, to me, is bloat.
If you have enough desktops for this to be an issue, you should do it anyway. Why on earth would you want to fetch 500 copies of Google's home page when you could let your trusty Squid cache fetch one and serve it 500 times? If you have more than a handful of people visiting external websites, Squid is a huge win for bandwidth savings alone. Throw in a content filter (like DansGuardian, which is GPL and therefore free to use regardless of his idiotic ramblings to the contrary) and it's a no-brainer.
That cracks me up. Let's try again in compsci terms: "Linus uses a greedy algorithm; RMS does not". Linus's method is fine when the best solution right now turns out to be OK in the long run, but produces decidedly suboptimal results when it ends up heading down a blind alley.
For example, BitKeeper. Yes, people will argue that by using BitKeeper for a little while, kernel development advanced more than it would have otherwise. Alternatively, you could equally argue that it prevented a lot of people from getting involved who otherwise might have, and since its replacement ("git") was originally written in four days, it seems that it was a wholly unnecessary departure.
Linus is a sharp guy, and his decisions usually make since - at least for the very near short term. In the long haul, though, I'd go with RMS every time. He simply has a much better track record at making accurate distant predictions. In my opinion, that makes RMS the more pragmatic of the two.
What agreement? You can walk into a store and pay cash for a TiVo without signing anything. At that point, you've agreed to nothing.
How about my idea: punitive damages go to the federal government's general fund. That way, you can still punish corporations that don't understand motivations other than financial penalties, but remove all profit incentive from the equation. Would this have any drawbacks?
It could be. As I said to another poster, although we're friends, we're not extremely close. At least, we're not close enough that I'd feel comfortable asking about the distinction.
However, I was shot in the ear by a paintball gun once. The ball basically formed a perfect seal with the hole, and I honestly thought I was dying at first. It was agonizing. Once I was able to walk without throwing up, the pain gradually decreased and mostly went away. I saw a doctor shortly after and he said that it didn't look like there was permanent damage, but if there was, it probably wouldn't be treatable anyway so there wasn't a lot of point to expensive and invasive testing.
For several months afterward, that ear was extremely sensitive to loud noise. If a screen door slammed and I was within 30 feet, it sounded like an explosion in my head. I don't really have the jargon for this, but I could hear well until a certain (relatively low) volume level, and then everything distorted. From what this lady told me, it sounds like she's experiencing almost the exact same thing, but with a much lower threshold and tolerance for background noise.
I'm not an audiologist or neurologist, but my problem eventually went away and I'm hoping that hers has a similar origin and will get better as well.
They have small kids around the house and other reasons why she would want to hear everything, but without the random background noises most of the rest of us don't notice anymore. They live in the country so they don't have to deal with road noise, etc., so it's probably easier for them to adapt their environment to her than vice versa.
I don't know how she deals with planes and so on, having never travelled with them. While we're friends, we're not extremely close so I haven't asked for all the details.
Would that be a dick in a box?
Exactly. You want it running at the equivalent of "nice -19 recompile-dotnet" so that it is using 100% of the CPU but yielding it to anything else that asks. You don't want it to run for days and days, after all.
Exactly my point. You had to pony up some series cash to get into such a system back then.
You can find lots of stuff on multiple screens by just googling.Multiple remote screens with all that functionality?
A dumb terminal replaces the Matrox hardware for much cheaper.Lots of people don't want dumb terminals. They want nice fat systems for whatever reason. This gives them that option.
What was the resolution on that twinax? Did it do 1920x1200 times 4 (source: product info page)? Have the equivalent of 6 USB 2.0 ports? Support digital sound transport? Work on commodity hardware?
Remote displays have been around for quite a while, but this is the modern incarnation of it. I'm not going to turn town a terabyte SATA drive just because I used a DEC with hard drives in the 70s.
Why is this newsBecause most of us (myself included) didn't know that such a thing existed until we read this story.
and why would you need to do this now?For the same reason IBM did it in 1970: so you can use a computer without sitting right next to it.
We have a friend who damaged her ear in an accident and simply can't tolerate any level of white noise or background humming. Her and her husband have gone so far as to build onto their house and concentrate all of the noisy appliances into the new section so that the rest of the house can be silent. When they visit our house, we unplug the refrigerator while they're around.
When I tell her husband about this, he will place an order within the hour. They've had a hard time getting a silent PC that's quiet enough (yes, her ear is really that damaged) but still reasonably nice, and I'm certain they'd rather have a high-end, powerful PC that can sit in the "noisy part" of the house and still be absolutely silent at her desk.
If people are still confusing you two, perhaps you need... better PR?
Well, it wasn't just the rootkit for me - that was just icing on the cake. Just yesterday I bought a Samsung digital camera over a cheaper Sony with more pixels, partly because of their craziness and partly because it uses SD memory and AA batteries instead of Sony's Closed Format DuJour (tm).
Ummm, why? MediaMax are clearly scummy for writing this exploit, but Sony was the one who commissioned it and put it into production.
The single most powerful counter I've found to that incorrect mindset is one little commercial. IBM says Linux is the future. That should be enough endorsement for the older crowd.
Sigh. A perfectly good punchline ruined by awful grammar.
Berzerker!
Man sues Smith & Wesson for the making gun he used to rob a liquor store.
The problem with your idea is that the infection is usually internal. If you have a plan for getting the Lysol into your body, please don't hesitate to not tell me.
It should. White willow bark is basically identical to aspirin, except that it has crappy quality control and inconsistent dosing, and costs a lot more.
Astragalus and Oscillicoxinum for flu and colds, as well as various homeopathics.
You forgot "witchcraft" and "UFOs", as long as we're on the subject of things that have no legitimate medical application.
Right now, today, the Wii supports a web browser that can play back Youtube videos. Make your home media server have an option to render a given video in Flash and point your Wii's browser at it. Voila - home entertainment center.