I'd call the "simple HTML view," specifically designed to be compatible with older browsers, a pretty significant code fork in Gmail. Their other sites don't provide such alternatives, but of course they're in beta and as such are subject to change.
My point is that Google, despite its adoration by the tech elite, develops for existing web browsers rather than to the much-vaunted "standards" that some developers crow about. Just like many web applications, Gmail will shut you out if your browser isn't on the List.
Your original post stated that if a site is built correctly, you won't need to have "code forks or multiple revisions" for different web browsers including non-graphical browsers like screen readers. My point is that even the most-beloved tech companies don't "build correctly" by that definition.
Microsoft Buys Vicinity (October 2002) and announces plans to "phase out" MapBlast because it competes with Microsoft's own MapPoint.
Most of the map data is owned by companies like NavTech; even Google didn't go out and write maps from scratch. The major difference between all these products is in the front-end, and it is the front-end that really sets Google above the rest in terms of slickness.
And at the same time, Google is doing its darnedest to become Yahoo!.
The number of services for which you can use your Google Account is miniscule compared to what you can use your Yahoo! Account to do. Yahoo! bought a lot of companies and tied them together years ago. Now they're improving the properties they have. Google bought a lot companies and is tying them together now, and they're trying (and failing) to leverage the web to provide the rest.
Compare Google News BETA to Yahoo! News. Compare Yahoo! Yellow Pages to Google Maps BETA. Yahoo! works because they bought real data. Google doesn't work because they claim the web at large can provide the rest of their content. (Just wait until someone Googlebombs your business's physical address, screwing up searches on Google Maps BETA, and Google claims there's nothing they can do.)
mn for million is British, commonly seen in the Financial Times (which also uses bn for billion). I imagine that it's a nod to the old British way of naming large numbers, which also included milliards (10^9) and billiards (10^15; a billion was 10^12).
In any case, it's struck a nerve even deeper than the accounting term "$1MM" for "one million," which apparently makes SI-loving geeks' heads explode.
For what it's worth, the PlayStation 2 was incompatible with a handful of games for the PlayStation 1. Likewise, the Sony PSX and slim PlayStation 2 introduced hardware incompatibilities. Even the later revisions of the larger PS2 dropped the little-used FireWire port.
Well, I downloaded and installed a few programs that supplement my conventional MSN search results with leveraged search results from some of the leading search engines out there.
I also click on a few pop-up ads a day, just to keep my favorite web sites going. I wouldn't want to be stealing web content, now would I?
You want to know what's weird? I usually get up to 25 browser windows just by going to msn.com -- even when I'm not connected to the Internet!
I will do so when Slashdot posters stop crapflooding me with the same reply over and over and over and over and over again.
Hey, did you know you can use CTRL-TAB? Hey, did you know you can use CTRL-TAB to switch between tabs? Hey, you can switch between tabs using CTRL-TAB. Hey, Firefox lets you use CTRL-TAB to switch tabs. Hey, Firefox with the ImproveOurShittyTabSupport Extension lets you customize the key, but normally you hit CTRL-TAB.
Do you happen to know what CTRL-TAB does in Firefox, by any chance?
I usually have about 20 web pages open in a handful of windows by the end of a day. More than eight tabs in a window makes it very hard to see the titles. I work on browser-based applications, though, so maybe I'm a bit unusual.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Thanks for offering your opinion. Now I want to use Firefox the way I want to use it.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
That's easy. Now say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
Tabbed browsing is irritating because it throws off window management. If I have 20 Internet Explorer windows open, I can navigate between them using the Taskbar's "(20) Internet Explorer" collapsed button or with the ALT-TAB window switcher. If I have 20 browser windows open in any Mac browser, I hit F10 and Expose shows me all of them.
Show me one browser, any browser, that actually exposes a mechanism for navigating through 20 tabs in, say, 3 windows. The only one I've seen that comes close is Opera, but of course Opera exists in its own UI paradigm by itself.
(Score: +1, Stereotypes Xbox Users as "Frat Boys") (Score: +1, Pluralizes "Xbox" as "Xboxen") (Score: +1, Connects MTV-watching with Xbox-owning) (Score: +1, Spins "Better Graphics" Into a Negative)
iTunes and other DRMed pay-per-download services are a fun curiosity. More music gets traded in an hour on KaZaA than gets downloaded from iTunes in a month.
Hell, even the Russian mafia does a better job of music distribution than Apple does these days.
Nah, that's too hard. Why use a Jabber server that you have to hire a UNIX guy to administer when you can use AOL's highly-reliable AIM servers with GAIM's highly-reliable encryption-ready clients instead?
Seriously, though, I've tried setting up a Jabber server before. The closest thing I've seen to a drop-in solution is "Jabber Quickstart," and that lacks most of the features (like the much-desired AIM transport) that people want to use Jabber for. Jabber is only free if your time is worthless.
On my work AIM account, I have the option to "allow messages only from people on my contact list" enabled. I don't get any unwanted messages. The only downside is that I have to specifically add my co-workers before we can converse, but that's easy. Gaim and Adium also support encrypted messaging to remove the risks of intercepting conversations mid-flight.
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I'd call the "simple HTML view," specifically designed to be compatible with older browsers, a pretty significant code fork in Gmail. Their other sites don't provide such alternatives, but of course they're in beta and as such are subject to change.
My point is that Google, despite its adoration by the tech elite, develops for existing web browsers rather than to the much-vaunted "standards" that some developers crow about. Just like many web applications, Gmail will shut you out if your browser isn't on the List.
Your original post stated that if a site is built correctly, you won't need to have "code forks or multiple revisions" for different web browsers including non-graphical browsers like screen readers. My point is that even the most-beloved tech companies don't "build correctly" by that definition.
Yeah, companies like Google sure are stuck in the dark ages. I don't know who would patronize such technically-backward firms.
America Online Buys MapQuest.com (December 1999)
Microsoft Buys Vicinity (October 2002) and announces plans to "phase out" MapBlast because it competes with Microsoft's own MapPoint.
Most of the map data is owned by companies like NavTech; even Google didn't go out and write maps from scratch. The major difference between all these products is in the front-end, and it is the front-end that really sets Google above the rest in terms of slickness.
Mapquest was bought by AOL. Microsoft bought Mapblast.
And at the same time, Google is doing its darnedest to become Yahoo!.
The number of services for which you can use your Google Account is miniscule compared to what you can use your Yahoo! Account to do. Yahoo! bought a lot of companies and tied them together years ago. Now they're improving the properties they have. Google bought a lot companies and is tying them together now, and they're trying (and failing) to leverage the web to provide the rest.
Compare Google News BETA to Yahoo! News. Compare Yahoo! Yellow Pages to Google Maps BETA. Yahoo! works because they bought real data. Google doesn't work because they claim the web at large can provide the rest of their content. (Just wait until someone Googlebombs your business's physical address, screwing up searches on Google Maps BETA, and Google claims there's nothing they can do.)
Hey, if you conform to accepted web standards then your web site should work in every web browser!
(pause for +1 moderations to roll in!)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha JavaScript ha ha ha ha DOM ha ha ha CSS. Write for Firefox and IE.
mn for million is British, commonly seen in the Financial Times (which also uses bn for billion). I imagine that it's a nod to the old British way of naming large numbers, which also included milliards (10^9) and billiards (10^15; a billion was 10^12).
In any case, it's struck a nerve even deeper than the accounting term "$1MM" for "one million," which apparently makes SI-loving geeks' heads explode.
For what it's worth, the PlayStation 2 was incompatible with a handful of games for the PlayStation 1. Likewise, the Sony PSX and slim PlayStation 2 introduced hardware incompatibilities. Even the later revisions of the larger PS2 dropped the little-used FireWire port.
Yes please. But it's spelled "wine."
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Yes, it switches between open tabs.
Would you like cheese with that whine?
Well, I downloaded and installed a few programs that supplement my conventional MSN search results with leveraged search results from some of the leading search engines out there.
I also click on a few pop-up ads a day, just to keep my favorite web sites going. I wouldn't want to be stealing web content, now would I?
You want to know what's weird? I usually get up to 25 browser windows just by going to msn.com -- even when I'm not connected to the Internet!
I will do so when Slashdot posters stop crapflooding me with the same reply over and over and over and over and over again.
Hey, did you know you can use CTRL-TAB? Hey, did you know you can use CTRL-TAB to switch between tabs? Hey, you can switch between tabs using CTRL-TAB. Hey, Firefox lets you use CTRL-TAB to switch tabs. Hey, Firefox with the ImproveOurShittyTabSupport Extension lets you customize the key, but normally you hit CTRL-TAB.
Do you happen to know what CTRL-TAB does in Firefox, by any chance?
I usually have about 20 web pages open in a handful of windows by the end of a day. More than eight tabs in a window makes it very hard to see the titles. I work on browser-based applications, though, so maybe I'm a bit unusual.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Thanks for offering your opinion. Now I want to use Firefox the way I want to use it.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
That's easy. Now say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
The point that I was trying to make is that tabbed browsing creates a metaphor that is independent of any other window manager, including those used by Windows and Mac OS X. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Say that I'm in another application. I want to switch to Firefox and, as part of that operation, pull up Web Site X that's the 4th tab in the 3rd window. How do I do that?
Tabbed browsing is irritating because it throws off window management. If I have 20 Internet Explorer windows open, I can navigate between them using the Taskbar's "(20) Internet Explorer" collapsed button or with the ALT-TAB window switcher. If I have 20 browser windows open in any Mac browser, I hit F10 and Expose shows me all of them.
Show me one browser, any browser, that actually exposes a mechanism for navigating through 20 tabs in, say, 3 windows. The only one I've seen that comes close is Opera, but of course Opera exists in its own UI paradigm by itself.
(Score: +1, Stereotypes Xbox Users as "Frat Boys")
(Score: +1, Pluralizes "Xbox" as "Xboxen")
(Score: +1, Connects MTV-watching with Xbox-owning)
(Score: +1, Spins "Better Graphics" Into a Negative)
Congratulations! +5!
iTunes and other DRMed pay-per-download services are a fun curiosity. More music gets traded in an hour on KaZaA than gets downloaded from iTunes in a month.
Hell, even the Russian mafia does a better job of music distribution than Apple does these days.
Actually, wouldn't that be a 20x20? The receipt specifies a 4x4 with 16 extra patties and 16 extra cheeses.
Nah, that's too hard. Why use a Jabber server that you have to hire a UNIX guy to administer when you can use AOL's highly-reliable AIM servers with GAIM's highly-reliable encryption-ready clients instead?
Seriously, though, I've tried setting up a Jabber server before. The closest thing I've seen to a drop-in solution is "Jabber Quickstart," and that lacks most of the features (like the much-desired AIM transport) that people want to use Jabber for. Jabber is only free if your time is worthless.
AIM encryption looks good according to Google. Thanks!
"Anticlockwise On Lift," a concept so wryly explained in their adverts on ITV.
On my work AIM account, I have the option to "allow messages only from people on my contact list" enabled. I don't get any unwanted messages. The only downside is that I have to specifically add my co-workers before we can converse, but that's easy. Gaim and Adium also support encrypted messaging to remove the risks of intercepting conversations mid-flight.
Any more "real danger" to warn me about?