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Netscape 8.0 Released
Mr. Christmas Lights writes "CNet is reporting that Netscape Navigator Version 8 has been released. The 8.0 Beta debuted back in March, with the final version being based on Firefox 1.03, and includes Trust Rating, a feature which identifies sites as safe or unsafe. Netscape 8.0 also includes a toggle which allows switching between Mozilla and Microsoft's rendering engines as needed. The Main Netscape 8 page has more info, and the 'Download Now' page is already serving up the new browser."
I'll stick with the Real Thing (tm). Now in version 1.04, and corporate ad-ware free!
ne1 hav a torrent?
So do we actually need a netscape now? I used too use it untill they released 7. It was probably the worst browser I have ever used.
Yet Another Browser? Who needs it?
includes Trust Rating
Well... and why exactly should I trust AOL Time Warner?
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
why bother?
The only reason I see is some websites accept netscape still yet actively reject/redirect firefox
And it's still good in it's newest release. The ability to switch between rendering engines is great, although the look seems too Macintosh for me. The skin is slightly confusing at first, but overall, it's a good product. Now let's find out it's spyware and popup blocking capabilities.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
I, personally, question the time and money required to put out a new version of Netscape when there's a perfectly kickass Firefox to use, but my opinion is moot. There's still a market for Netscape, albeit a small one.
..."AOL INSTANT MESSENGER ("AIM") AND AN AOL MEDIA PLAYER ENGINE ("MEDIA PLAYER") ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE NETSCAPE 8 BROWSER. THE EXECUTABLE VERSIONS OF THE NETSCAPE 8 BROWSER, AIM, AND THE MEDIA PLAYER ARE REFERRED TO COLLECTIVELY HEREIN AS THE "BROWSER."
Thanks, but no thanks.
A computer makes it possible to do, in half an hour, tasks which were completely unnecessary to do before.
"Netscape Navigator Version 8 has been released" ... "[T]he 'Download Now' page is already serving up the new browser."
really? Both? At the same time?
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The linked article and the official Netscape 8 page are pretty light on technical details but the submitter mentions it is based on firefox 1.0.3. What I'm wondering is whether or not this includes the recent security fixes that brought about the release of 1.0.4. Would be pretty foolish of AOL to not include these since they are considered critical.
:-)
I also found the following line from the CNET review pretty amusing.
Netscape 8 is based on Mozilla.org's successful and mostly secure Firefox browser
Certainly not a false statement or anything but I thought the use of the phrase "mostly secure" was pretty funny.
Anyone else get a 404 on the Trust Rating page?
Just start IE if you need.
From article: site rating system called "Trust Ratings" which is driven by lists of sites provided by our trusted security partners.
Who are these "trusted security partners" and why should I trust them?
I have the View in IE plugin installed in Firefox, but toggling the renderer would be a very useful feature for them to add to the base product. I know its sort of blasphemy to say it, but fact is there are still useful sites (bank sites, in particular) that just puke under the Gecko renderer. Oh bank sites, and of course the Slashdot homepage ;)
So we have come full circle again looking at the source code on which the various browsers are based:
(Mosaic->)Netscape->Mozilla->Firefox->Netscape
Now that FF is out and kicking ass I don't see any reason why anybody would want to run Netcape. It was slow loading in the past and it'll be slow forever. It's too bad really.. but I think Netscape is dead.
That seems like a convenience at first, but I guess it's almost as easy to click the i.e. icon when I absolutely can't get a site to render properly when using firefox. However, there is only one (1) site I frequent that requires i.e., and it never works properly anyway (Mortgage payment site).
Why is this not as good as FireFox?
Nope, no click tracking here.. no spyware.. I'm monitoring the data packets sent out, none of them go to Netscape once you set your homepage to google.com.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Netscape, bastardizing the browser for lazy webmasters. I wonder if the IE engine comes with lots of fun IE security "features" too.
I checked out the beta back when it was released. Once most of the "extra" interface features were turned off, it really wasn't too bad. Of course, since I was trying it at home, I quickly uninstalled it and went back to Firefox. However, since there are a few sites that I need to use at work that don't work all that well with Firefox (reduced feature-sets, slight wonkiness, etc), I may check this out to see if it does what I need. Being able to have one browser do it all can be quite handy...
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
The choice of rendering engines sounds interesting, will that be a boon for web developers tired of having to flit between browsers?
Instead of spending all this time on re-making their own browser based off of the excellent Firefox browser, why not spend that time building extensions that add in these features?
How much time was spent duplicating efforts just so they could call it 'Netscape' instead of using that time to improve Firefox by putting out some great extensions?
I will shred my adversaries. Pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewing, mutilated faces. Illyria
...does netscape automatically render pages known to e "safe" with MSIE?
I thought the whole point of not using MSIE was to NOT use it.
I mean, when I use netscape, I want netscape, not some other substandard browser running things in the background.
This will cause a shitstorm for developers running netscape.
Move sig!
I have never been a user of internet explorer originally sticking with Netscape 4.x until Mozilla suite came around.
Its a shame that Netscape was battled by such a massive amount of incompetance!.
Too Microsofty. Yuck. TFA says they have a database of sites that are either good or bad. I hope the phishers don't learn how to use disposable domains! (What's that you say? That's what they do now?)
But this may appeal to someone. Let's see: they have to be clueful enough to want something other than IE, and clueless enough not to want Firefox or Opera. Pretty slim pickings.
I guess there's still something left to the Netscape name as a brand, but they're quickly killing it.
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I personally appreciate the release because the BHB's I work for all happen to like Netscape, but balk at having me install something called "FireFox" that they have never heard of. Now I can say "New Netscape version is here" and all of the sudden they are off either 4.x or the bulkier Mozilla and can now be basically on the browser I wanted them on in the first place.
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I guess I won't be trying this at home. I'll have to check it out at work.
Maybe I misunderstood TFA, but how is this any different from IE's security zone/trusted sites model? I thought that model had been proven to be ineffectual and flawed, so it really shocks me that AOL would try and add it to Firefox...
From the flash tour:
"If a site is considered trustworthy, Netscape automatically renders it using the Internet Explorer method, for maximum compatability."
WHY?!
120chars for a sig is teh suck
Just glancing at their page, it looks like they've come up with some nice paradigms too eliminate browser clutter. 1)You can choose toolbars using a dropdown box. 2)Shortcuts can include multiple websites. For example, you can set "Home" to open multiple websites in a single click.
The real question here is will this run on linux? The browser works with Windows update (when in IE mode). Can we get this to work with Wine? Should be fun to experiment :)!
I know you're not supposed to have two Mozilla-based browsers installed at the same time -- like Mozilla & Firefox.
Will this peacefully coexist with Firefox? I didn't see anything in a quick skim through the release notes.
They're still making that?
News flash! Mere seconds after news of the new Netscape browser being released hits the public, AOL has made an announcement that AOL 11.0 is heading for mailboxes across America as we speak!
Die stupid dead thing ! Die !!
Then I rendered a site known for unwanted installation of spyware using the IE engine. Guess what, ladies and gentlemen? If you use the IE rendering engine on a non-trusted site known for installing spyware w/o permission, it gets in. And the pop-up/pop-under blocking is still ineffectual.
*sighs and wipes Nutscrape off the computer*
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
When visiting Netscape.com, I got a nice message saying that my current browser, Firefox 1.04, is out of date. They said I should download Netscape 8. Which is based on Firefox 1.03. Does anybody else see a problem with this?
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
I think that's one of the biggest things Firefox has going for it. Security, extentions, stability, tabs, are all very important reasons, but Firefox is successful, because it is small. Being small, they are flexible and fast moving, able to change to meet evolving needs. Firefox will be the guerilla fighters in the upcoming browser war
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What happened to having a Linux version of netscape? Perhaps I just missed it? Some of us do use alternate operating systems...
I don't think I really want my BROWSER to have a unique ID number, thanks. I have to keep away enough identifying spam cookies as it is.
Have I missed something, or is NS8 a Windows-only browser?
Is there a linux version? The download linked to an .exe file
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This would became a big security hole if someone can fool the trustworthy method.
And how is the User Agent send in those cases?, Netscape or IE or a mix of them.
I can finally uninstall Firefox!
The Trust Rating system is intriguing if it were carried a bit further. In conjuction with a built-in malware detector, every Netscape user could be feeding information to the Trust Rating DB. If a popular site is hijacked or infected, then as soon as one Netscape user accesses it, the system would detect the attempted malware activites, alert the Trust Rating system, and alert all subsequent users. The result is an internet immune system based on distributed detection.
I wonder if the ultimate version of this system is a DNS with Trust-Rating lookup process. Instead of using a plain-jane DNS, the browser would use a special DNS that returns both the IP and the trust-rating of that IP. Overloading DNS with a few bits of trust data would reduce the overhead of calling two DB for each web page access (DNS and Trust Rating).
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Why discover the wheel again when you can copy it?!! :p
No Linux version. Not surprising with the IE renderer usage though.
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And in other news, nobody cared.
Help! Where's the add remover? Is this really what the internet looks like without Adblock? Quick, back to firefox... that was scarey.
BTW, the first sentance was originally "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that AOL will release Netscape 8.0 - also being reported at BetaNews and a growing number of sites." ... but he changed that to CNet which has the 5 page review ... the Firefox 1.03 reference is from BetaNews.
Finally, I had added this closing statement/question "While Netscape was the dominant browser years ago, it has faded dramatically ... does this release have significant enough features such that end-users will give it another try? Time will tell." ... and I personally think it's a bit too little too late - Firefox works darn well for me, and with the iview extension, I have one-click access to IE if need be. But the browser wars are far from over as IE7 appears to be copying many of Firefox's features, plus Opera and Safari continue to get good press ... so time will tell!
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While I understand that this is not targeted at the same demographic that downloads Firefox, couldn't they have included something to add some value for us?
If they had packaged in some FF extensions, at least a choice of themes...then maybe.
View using the IE rendering engine? Thanks a lot.
R.
...on a boar would be somewhat more useful than yet another browser. Of course, this is from a Mac user's perspective- I already have to choose from Safari, Firefox, Omniweb, Mozilla, Camino, iCab, Opera, IE (ha!)- and a few other minor ones that I haven't tested yet.
I came, I saw, I left. It looked better in the brochure.
Well a lot of people here says there's no need for Netscape, but i think the more browsers the better. The competition will probably make the other browsers get better. At least it does not hurt Netscape users to get an updated version.
Bits of News Giving you the latest bits.
...even those produced by Netscape.com.
How deliciously ironic.
--jeddz
The source code to the "IE integration" (so it can be used in gecko based browsers that DONT have all the AOL garbage)
And more to the point, the list of sites and pages and stuff that are set to "automatically trigger the IE mode"
In the weird Alice-in-Wonderland AOL/Netscape world, a browser is defined as anything they want it to be. "Words mean only what I say they mean."
Install the new version of Netscape, and get the security vulnerabilities of a media player and AIM client, too.
Let me guess, they instead go to google? Get out the bacofoil hat!
Not only did it tell me that also, but when I finally got to the front page, I saw an ad:
Is it just me, or is adding IE to the mix a scary thought? And how careful and meticulous can they be, really, if their advertising says "let's you?"
Smart thing number 1) The proxy information I had to supply during the installation was not recorded in the final install configuration Smart thing number 2) Gross rendering problem of the status bar when I maximized the window! Themes suck as if nothing had been learnt on UI usability in the past 10 years!
I guess it's odd coincidence that when I viewed my "about:plugins" page earlier this morning in firefox then clicked on the "netscape" link at the top of that page I got redirected to the Netscape 8 download page.
.NET for rich web applications that can be easily integrated into the desktop environment.
I took the flash tour thinking it's been out a while , and I do have to say that the "security" rating accessable via the tab for each site is a nice feature. I'm sure their idea of "security" isn't what I had in mind, but it's a start. It would be so nice to toggle javascript, java, plugins, cookies, etc on a per site or per tab basis.
On another note regarding the side-by-side installation of netscape with other gecko browsers, all I can say is Mozilla needs to get it's rendering engine in order. What they need to do is remove gekco from the chrome so that gecko could be embeded im applications ala IE. It really needs to be a priority instead of having a single guy work on some COM version in his spare time.
The future is not websites but rich-websites. Maybe I'm the only one that realizes this but Firefox is not competing with IE, the real battle is XUL competing against
Tried slapping it on the computer at work . Only uses a stub installer and no option for a full installer. When you try to run it, it pops a dialog saying Internet connectivity trouble and prompts you for your proxy information. No problem with that. I enter the info, and then I get a dialog saying Configuration Error, Your installer has an invalid configuration.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
true. And here's an article on AOL's plight in today's broadband market.
The previous comment is purposely vague and generalized, but all of the facts are completely true.
Throw in there somewhere:
NCSA Mosaic->Spyglass Mosaic->Internet Explorer->(IE rendering)->Netscape
-- Boycott Shell
this is absurd and totally unacceptable!!! After warning me that it includes 3rd party stuff , it then " ..examines your system to see if you have an acceptable system' ..to paraphrase.
Well, it bombed out, refusing to install (no option!) cuz i did not have the latest Internet Explorer!!!!!!!
Of who's stupidity is THIS fisaco the result????
"There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
According to Netscape 8, Slashdot is a "Trust Partner", but other semi-promintent techy sites are not, like Zeldman.com, alistapart.com, quirksmode.org, meyerweb.com, weeklystandards.com and digital-web.com are not. My own sites are not trusted as well.
Just how does one become a "Trust Partner"? Does the process involve me spending more money and buying into the Trust Mafia?
Seriously, will every person visiting my site think it's a security risk? Can I sue AOL for this digital slander?
I can't wait to see the first postings in the newsgroups, blogs, and discussion boards from novice computer users who see the Netscape name and blindly upgrade:
"Hey! Where'd my mail go?"
The interesting thing is that the missing mail component isn't mentioned anywhere on the Netscape 8 Web site, unless you already understand the code-word "streamlined" to mean "we jettisoned mail".
Hilarity ensues...
Where is the webpage for NS8 "redistributable" download? The download page gives me a 350kB file. The entire browser is 12MB. I do not want a bootstrap, I need the entire install.
"Bloatscape version 8 has been released". Granted, I use to LOVE netscape, back in the mid 90's because it totally beat the crap out of IE. So it pangs me to say something like this about Netscape. I understand their reasoning for some of the things that they did (such as the two rendering engines), but I don't know..maybe I'm just too much of a Firefox advocate now. However, had it not been for Netscape, Firefox wouldn't be here...so thank you Netscape. On another note though, at least their is ANOTHER alternative to IE...as long as IE's marketshare drops, that is all I care about.
I have nothing clever to put here...
...you didn't read his post very well, did you?
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
I think that's neat - I prefer Firefox and use it all the time but it's still annoying that some sites just don't render properly.
I'd prefer to right-click and say "render IE style" than to launch IE...
They certainly aren't instilling a lot of confidence in their own code base. Netscape 8 switches to IE rendering when visiting www.netscape.com.
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Oooo! We need a new slashdot article: Which is better, Netscape 8 or Opera??
Well two things about the whole Netscape experience (I just downloaded it, conveniently to do some website compatability testing) put me right off.
Firstly, I went to the site using Firefox 1.0.3 and was told my browser was out of date and that I needed to upgrade to Netscape 8 - my god, what is this.. Microsoft?! Isn't Netscape 8 using the Firefox 1.0.3 engine anyway?!
Secondly - the skin on the thing is just classic Netscape. Hugely cluttered and shockingly ugly.
Thanks but i'll stick to the real McCoy.. good old Firefox!
"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
If I go to the download page at browser.netscape.com, all it gives me is a download stub about 300kb large. Where can I find the full version that is installable without an internet connection?
It breaks all kinds of usability rules by not having the menu where you expect, and in a really crazy colourscheme.
Sure, you can use the alternate skin, but that's not the default one - aka the one that most people will use!
I tried to load adblock in, and was informed it was not compatible with Netscape, which is fair enough. Not to be putoff I copied my Firefox "extensions" folder into the Netscape one and saw them all appear in the Netscape Extensions window, which suprised me. Clicking on any of them caused Netscape to lock up, which was fabulous, although I guess not entirely unexpected!
Another gripe was that I couldn't select all the "trusted sites" and remove them all at once. Instead I had to remove each one manually and click YES I AM DAMN SURE I WANT TO REMOVE IT THAT'S WHY I CLICKED THE BUTTON every time.
Anyway it doesn't seem too bad all in all, although switching from a gecko engine to a gecko/MSIE (what's the name of that engine? It alludes me at the moment) seems like a step in the wrong direction.
Netscape 8 is based on Mozilla.org's successful and mostly harmless Firefox browser
Why would anybody need or want to use a less functional renderer?
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Ugh!! The interface sux0rs. takes too much space. And it's too slow, IMO. I'll stick with firefox.
"hey, could you pass me a paper towel? er.. I mean... DEPLOY ABSORBTION PANEL!"
I haven't really been much of a Netscape fan, but I always give their new browsers a spin to see if they have finally fixed many of the age-old annoyances of the past. Netscape 8 seems to be a very well constructed browser, and the ability to use the IE rendering engine is actually very helpful. I put it through the fire test: I used it to do Windows Updates. It worked flawlessly. I think Netscape had a good idea, and their browser seems to do a good job of implementing both standards well. One of the worst problems has been that most 3rd party browsers can't support some of the IE-specific CRAP that some websites use. I still like Firefox, and with Netscape 8 you get the best of both worlds. One problem is that Netscape doesn't have the feature to use ALT-D to get to the address bar without a mouse, but if that's the biggest irritation about it, then they're doing well.
If you go to the Netscape site using Opera 8 (or probably any non-Mozilla browser) you see a splash screen telling you your browser is outdated. It lists new Netscape 8 features, including a "Password Manger." Does that mean this is a stable release?
I forgot steps 5 & 6...
5. ???
6. PROFIT!!!
grep -iw skynet
If a site is considered trustworthy, Netscape automatically renders it using the Internet Explorer method, for maximum compatability.
This in fact logical: only trusted sites should be visited with a browser as unsafe as IE.
Good-bye Netscape. RIP.
4) plugins like adblock (presuming IE's renderer sees the final version of the DOM... that'd be an interesting test)
I first read renderer as reindeer! Heh. WTF is IE doing with reindeer? I thought, they're taking over the north pole too?
Wowza!
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
Personally, I'll install this in a heartbeat when..... They have the web developer plugin available for firefox working in netscape with the IE rendering engine. Retouching my CSS on the fly and seeing the results instantaneously in the browser is GOOD. I'd kill to have half the tools in the IE engine that I do in the firefox engine. I'd still rather browse with firefox though...
Take a look at the Flash based demo. Look at the bookmarks in the bookmark bar.
Here's a screenshot of it.
But it shouldn't be assumed that the user will want to browse a site they trust with a broken rendering engine, are trustworthy sites not about to make use of CSS?
NS8 looks like a really bad idea to me.
Software Freedom Day!.
I guess this is the first version of Netscape ever relased that is not cross platform. I've used netscape for a long, long time. I hate to see this happen to it, but I use firefox now anyway.
Netscape RIP
Netscape creates a clone of Firefox after everyone has already switched. Why would anyone drop Firefox and go back to a browser that has been garbage for years?
Also, unless Netscape is planning on converting all of the excellent plug-ins available for Firefox, they are way behind the 8 ball. Firefox has grown past the original browser when you consider the plug-ins.
The only thing it seems that Netscape has done is out perform IE for a while. Until IE releases their next version, Netscape might be a little better. When IE comes out, I'm sure Windows Update will conveniently remove Firefox and Netscape for you so you don't have to do it yourself.
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I still fail to comprehend exactly why they put the IE render option in the new Netscape. I thought we were finally done letting Microsoft dictate how we write web pages. They don't control the standards. If anything, the W3C does, and Microsoft obviously doesn't care about them; otherwise they would have fixed many of the rendering bugs years ago. Developers used to write pages for IE compatibility because that was what people used, but now it's obvious that it's losing market share. fast. I don't see why Netscape is encouraging a backward move like this (Not that any significant number of people used netscape 7+).
I, for one, actually put a considerable amount of thought into writing web pages, unlike what many people seem to do. I read the standards and use a standards-compliant browser to test them. I hand-code all of my (X)HTML from scratch, using as many new markup/style features as possible and still keeping a reasonable amount of backward compatibility. I end up with layouts that are cross platform compatible, bandwidth efficient, easy to maintain, and don't look ugly. I don't know why Netscape seems to be telling website devs that it's OK to go back to the old days of using WYSIWYG editors to generate IE-targeted pages with code that would make HTML parsers cry and wish for their own deaths if they had feelings.
Now, in an attempt to keep this post on-topic: this build is based on Firefox, not Mozilla (suite)? I guess that means they dropped the email, newsreader, and composer components. Quick poll: does anyone besides me still use mozilla mail, or has everyone moved to Thunderbird or web-based email?
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While I probably wont use this myself (as a web designer it IS neat to be able to switch between IE and Firefox renderers, but its not enough all by itself to compare to all the advantages of normal Firefox), it IS potentialy good for deploying to regular users at the company I work.
I would love to get everybody to use Firefox but unfortunately there are a lot of sites the users here frequent that require IE (mostly because of Activex controls), so there's no other option but to use IE. Until now.
Now I can give them netscape 8, and tell them to use the IE renderer when they have a site that does not work right. They will appreciate the tabs and the other firefox features.
This is good way to transition over from IE. It would be perfect if it were more like Firefox though...
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People here don't appreciate it but netscape has one thing over FF and that is branding.
Most people who are not new to the internet remember Netscape. If you tell them it's back bigger and better they may just user it. Unlike an unknown and untested FF.
This is especially important if you're not actually sitting there converting them to FF manually.
This is really good.
Will.
I guess they only care about Windoze users now...
I couldn't find anything for those of us who don't go online with Windows...
How much mindshare does Netscape have now, anyway? It seems like even corporate types know about Firefox - our computing manager is a big proponent now, and he's not exactly on the cutting edge of IT knowledge. When I read Network World articles about browser alternatives, it's almost always Firefox that gets mentioned, not Netscape - and if Firefox isn't being mentioned then it's Opera.
#DeleteChrome
It's based on a version of FireFox that has known expoits?!?!?
Yay.
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I'm running xp with two displays -- one of the first things I noticed after installing NS 8 was that if I have it maximized in my primary display, minimize, then restore it Netscape pops up then immediately moves itself to my second monitor. Has anyone else noticed this sort of behavior?
With the latest version you can select to have specific pages load in Internet Explorer EVERY single time.
I will say contrary to your experience, of the many people I've converted they have all stuck with Firefox. And although I'm very aware that their are plently of IE only sites out there, it's extremely rare for me to have to use IE anymore. I think the only time I've used it within the past 3 months was to do freeipuds.com "just to be safe" since people had reported problems. 5 minutes explaining how to use Firefox and what to do if a site doesn't work has saved me hours of tech support.
I guess if someone spends 8hrs a day using some Intranet that's IE only or has to use special IE only auction tools you gotta do what you gotta do, but for most other people the idea that you "have to use IE" to survive on the net is outdated. Well except for that fucking windows update, sigh.
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TheyPaidUsToTrustThemSoWeDid.Com
Can't find an OS X download.
I drank what? -- Socrates
Lame.
Netscape is still in business?
Who knew?
This is not a troll. I seriously have not heard word one about Netscape since the MS Monopoly trial.
I guess I'll go back under my rock now.
So far this is what I like: switching between IE and Firefox's rendering engine. Much faster than NS 7 and Mozilla. However there are a few sites that don't render correctly, like our bank's, in Firefox/Mozilla and this fixes that problem.
As far as security concerns: no browser is ever going to be perfect, but NS 8 has all the features, tabbed browsing, access to my Gmail and Yahoo mail accounts, RSS feed links, and blends the best of both worlds.
I've always been a fan of the best tool for the job, and for the windows platform, this is my new defacto standard.
"The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
Example UserAgent:
.NET CLR 1.1.4322) Netscape/8.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;
First look: Tour of the UI
Blake Ross on closing windows and accessability issues
Let's see here...
The guys at Firefox came up with:
FireFox.
The guys at AOL came up with:
AOL.
Didn't know the Netscape browser was still around...
How does this relate to Google registering the trademark for TrustRank?
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Just what we needed.
... basically netscape with a new skin is reborn as Netscape 8.0!
Firefox
So now its the netscape engine in a Firefox skin, crammed back into a netscape skin.
The browser wars are dead. The competition has feasted upon itself.
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Why use bloated netscape when you have lean firefox? I for one use firefox and am very happy using it.
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Full of spyware and shit..puke themed..not intuitive at all..lots of confusing things all over the UI. The installer broke first time so had to try again. When it first open I get a dialog box with no text in it which I have to click OK on. Even if I tell it to never use IEs rendering engine it still does. Options are confusing and badly designed.
And that is far as I've got. Only had it installed for few secs.
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The engine switcher is a critical feature for me. I've been unable to roll out Firefox to my site, desperate though I have been to do so, because a site our business depends on only works in IE. (I've asked them to change and they refuse.) I just tested Netscape 8.01 and the render switcher solves this problem seamlessly.
I'm sure it'd stick in the MoFo's craw, but they should consider pulling this feature back into Firefox. Ideologically this feature sucks, but pragmatically it rules.
With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter. -- William Lloyd