people say this is not new: since 150+ years we see exponential growth in productivity and still we still have a 40h work week and almost full employment. where does the extra productivity go? and will this trend continue?
1.) marx hints in the manifesto what happens with the overproduction: it creates a crisis within capitalism. "In these crises there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity—the epidemic of over-production." capitalism has learnt do deal with this but to some degree the mechanisms are still the same as 150years ago. creating extra demand via advertising. destroying the existing production. war. legally limiting access. e.g. via so called "intellectual property". as a more permanent solution: capitalism in former centuries had the opportunity to expand into other continents. but this is gone. and there is a limit to aggressive advertising. the "best" method to get rid of access production today is via war. works twice: you need weapons and you do need to rebuild what has been destroyed.
2.) so if we are not able to limit the excess productivity by shorting labour hours and installing basic income then what we will see is heading to is war and destruction. if you look today: most jobs are in areas that are useless or harmful to society: advertising (an industry that creates dissatisfaction), financial products creating fictional capital and of course war. also most products could last much longer then they do..etc.. also think of the ecological footprint of the useless crap.
3.) so if we do not want to wake up in an even more distyopian world we better make sure that we compensate the productivity gains with working less hours and demanding more money and fighting for a universal basic income..
.. In these crises, there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity — the epidemic of over-production. Society suddenly finds itself put back into a state of momentary barbarism; it appears as if a famine, a universal war of devastation, had cut off the supply of every means of subsistence; industry and commerce seem to be destroyed; and why? Because there is too much civilisation, too much means of subsistence, too much industry, too much commerce. The productive forces at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and so soon as they overcome these fetters, they bring disorder into the whole of bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property
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the real problem is that this "half-state" gives you the worst of both sides...so we should go forward and have more integration and a simpler system with one central parliament...
mond
we run our 320 core cluster on debian squeeze. infiniband support out of the box. the gridengine is a mater of apt.-get install. comes with tons of scientific sofware.
i think the default is that it runs 5000 rounds of that hash for your passwords.
if you are really paranoid like me then put something like this in your/etc/pam.d/common-passwd
password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=8 max=20 sha512 rounds=250000
this needs a few seconds on a 2.5Ghz AMD. so you should be safe against dictionary attacks as long has your password is not 12345678 or april1
Government operates by forcibly taking money from one person and giving it to another person or organization
where of course you assume that the person who had the money in the first place really deserved to have it. but a lot of persons today earn money without doing any useful work (e.g. they work for advertisment - creating artificial needs) or by doing harmful work (creating weapons, destroying the environment, etc...) or doing no work at all (just cashing in on their portfolio). the reason why some can earn a lot of money for nothing is in our system of society. this is an artificial system of laws and rules and it allows some to take the money from other persons without giving them anything useful in return.
so taking the money from people that have that money because of some artificial rules by an other rule (the tax system) is just one way to try to compensate the many faults of the capitalist system.....
Intellectual Property" is called the The Oil of the 21st Century". Workers here are told that strong protection of that the protection of this so called property" is necessary for our economy and a means to protect jobs. Nothing could be further from the truth.
With the ACTA-negotiations, the protection of this IPR should be made stronger once again. What is really behind it?
Global corporations need to maximize their profit. One way to do this is to offshore production into countries with lower wages. There is one problem with this approach. By transferring know-how into these countries there is the risk that these countries will produce product on their own and this breeds competitors [1]. And competition is bad for profits. Thus the global corporations need to find a way where they can utilize the cheap labor while protecting them self from competition.
Where the enforcement of copyright only protects them from direct clones the protection of trademarks ensures that only those who have the financial power to run a marketing campaign on a global scale can sell products at inflated prices. The most important tool is the enforcement of patents. This allows to protect" abstract ideas which potentially cover a wide range of similar products and technology.
So while it is true that IPR protection is good for the european economy" the workers here will not benefit from it. It will increase the profits of the global corporations but it will increase the trend towards offshoring protection. Your boss will get rich but you will loose your job.
It will not help the developing countries neither as it ensures that the profits are extracted out of this countries while access to cheap medicine and other goods is prevented. Most developing countries now oppose the WTO-TRIPS treaty as they are now forced to implement it. This is why ACTA was started. Now that the developing countries are ware of the neo-colonial effects of IPR it is not possible to conduct the IPR protection within the WTO anymore. So the rich countries decided to take it in their own hands.
ACTA is a way of economic warfare that is pursued against developing countries and against the working people in Europe, the US and Japan at the same time.
This should help to explain why the negotiations are held in complete secrecy.
If you have a better idea, I'll expect compelling evidence to persuade me.
i do not think it will work that way. if you say: i do not want to change away from the capitalist system unless i have a proof that
something else works better. then you will never change. meanwhile capitalism itself constantly changes. it adopts to new ways of exploiting us. limiting our freedom, our privacy...
well, you can not plan a different system from scratch on a drawing board. you have t learn in the process. it is what the zaptistats call: "walking with questions on our lips"
if you read marx you will not find much about how he imagines a different society. 99.9% of his work is a critique off the capitalist system.
to me it seems extremly plausible that there must be a better way. 10 million dead/year. half of humanity lives below 2$/day. 1Gig people below $1/day. inherent war, distruction and motivation to produce artificial scarcity. destruction of our environment becasue of inherent need for "growth" in the capitalist system. constant erosion of democracy. inherent crisis which leads to instabilty and has lead to fascism and war, growing gap between rich and poor, etc..etc..etc.. there are so many problems and if you look a bit closer you find that most of them are inherent to to the capitalist system that it seems extremely unlikely that there is not a better way.
while we do not know how a different system might look like a few things are certain. we need to shift back power to the people and increase democracy again...
Capitalism is an economic system; you're comparing it to forms of government.
well you started to lump that all together in your post. on the other hand you could argue: capitalism is an form of government: a form of government which transfers the power about most decision to capital and thus removes this power of decision from democratically elected entities. democracy and capitalism are mutually exclusive. the more power you have in the hands of capital the less you have in the hands of democracy.
what would be really needed is to restore democracy and to take it to new levels of radical democracy.
The switch to capitalism is working in China;
the only thigns you can learn from this is:
it prooves that capitalism does not need democracy
even a large countrly like china can not live independent of the rest of the world. since the world is ruled by capitalist regime you can not easily swim against this. thus the change away from the capitalist regime must be done on a global scale.
Believe it or not, the world didn't suddenly become a place of wars and poverty in 2003
of course not. capitalist and imperialist regime plagued the world before...
Guess you haven't noticed that most of the starving people are in places without capitalism - dictatorships like North Korea, communist East Asian countries, and politically unstable African nations, for example.
well, i never said that neoliberal capitalism is the only bad system. dictatorship, autoritarian states, theocracies, etc.. are worse or can be much worse. as for your statment: thats not true for the most part:
In the list of contries with malnutrition you find india at the top. india is a capitalist country. (interestingly the only regian of inda with a communist-regional government ist the part with the hightest GDP and the place with the best living conditions: kerala). second place in the malnutrition list is (in absolut numbers) capitalist china.
what about the "unstable african nations?" maybe you ask yourself why they are "unstable" in the first place. maybe this is a legacy of imperialist and kolonialist exploitation of the continent? maybe there are still some imperialist proxy wars fought there in order to ensure cheap access to the resources (oil, etc..) there?
then there are military spendings: what the countries have learned from the invasion of irak: if you do not have a strong militray then you might be a candiate for invasion by the US. so there is a motivation for countries to spend money on military and to get access to nuclear weapons. so while these countries might not be "capitalist" these countries are still affected by the global capitalist regime. if you want to trade with other countries you have to submit to the rules of the WTO (introducing artificial scarcity with TRIPS, etc..).. so you are still affected by global capitalist regime even if you like it or not..etc...etc..
capitalist regime rules the planet and thus is responsible for most of the 10 million annual death in one way or an other..
the systems before capitalism where not ideal and no one suggest that we should go back there. OTOH i do not think that we should just accept the problems inherent to our current capitalist system. we should try to correct them. if this requires a change complete of system is a question of debate..
1. Demand for useless things,
i was not talking about a demand for useless things but advertisment that increases the demand for those useless things. corporations would not pay for advertising (in itself useless) if it would not increase the demand for the uselss things.
2. War and crisis
see what marx whrites about this in the communist manifesto:
In these crises there breaks out an epidemic that, in
all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity -- the epidemic of over-
production. Society suddenly finds itself put back into a state of momentary
barbarism; it appears as if famine, a universal war of devastation had cut off
the supply of every means of subsistence; industry and commerce seem to be
destroyed. And why? Because there is too much civilization, too much means
of subsistence, too much industry, too much commerce. The productive forces
at the disposal of society no longer tend to further the development of the
conditions of bourgeois property; on the contrary, they have become too
powerful for these conditions, by which they are fettered, and no sooner do
they overcome these fetters than they bring disorder into the whole of
bourgeois society, endanger the existence of bourgeois property. The
conditions of bourgeois society are too narrow to comprise the wealth created
by them. And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand
by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the
conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old
ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more
destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.
war and crisis are found in each epoch of history. but the capitalist one is special here:
the war and crises are inherent in the system.... and ontopic of this story: they are here to create
artificial scarcity (here described after a period of over-production).
artificial scarcity: so called "intellectual property" introduces an artificial scarcity into something that could be useful to all of us without extra costs: information and knowledge. so only kind of "intellectual property" reduces the usefulness of this goods. (this is something that patents, copyright, etc.. have all in common).
so why then do we have IP at all? because capitalism can only deal with scarcity: you can not sell sand in the desert. this shows a principal problem with capitalism. and if you look a bit closer then you see that this does not only happen with intellectual goods but with almost everything that capitalism deals with: it introduces artificial scarcity:
advertisement: to create new demand for mostly useless things where there was no demand before.
war: the most effective way to create new demand: destroy what was there before, create insecurity and create weapons that "protect",...
crisis: like the bursting housing bubble...
....
my employer pays me to filter out spam for him. other people are being payed by there employer to send out spam. etc..etc..
the capitalist system is fundamentally broken. every year 10 million people are starving even though there would be enough food to feed them all... capitalism just does not cater to those with no money...
our so called "democracy" is becomming more of a farce every day: voters being manipulated by $$$-media... those with enough corporations behind them have more money for their election campaign... this all leeds to the fact that you can only rule if you represent the profit-interests of the big corporations...
I think if you invent drugs, you should be able to charge for them,' he said, adding with a shrug: 'That may seem radical.
yes this is radical. holding up this kind of neoliberal ideology costs the live of several million people/year. (10 million are starving each year). million of death just to be able to cling to some stupid ideology.
property is exclusion.
Society confronts the simple fact that when everyone can possess every intellectual work of beauty and utility--reaping all the human value of every increase of knowledge--at the same cost that any one person can possess them, it is no longer moral to exclude. If Rome possessed the power to feed everyone amply at no greater cost than that of Caesar's own table, the people would sweep Caesar violently away if anyone were left to starve. But the bourgeois system of ownership demands that knowledge and culture be rationed by the ability to pay.
--Eben Moglen dotCommunist Manifesto
e.g. debian (here with sarge so the numbers are not completely up to date):
230 MLOC = about 9 GigaDollar
when the report says that this costs the vendors about 60GigaDollar/year it just shows how extremly inefficient comercial production in the capitalist system is.
So it religion is the opium of the people after all...
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.
It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world. It is the immediate task of philosophy, which is in the service of history, to unmask self-estrangement in its unholy forms once the holy form of human self-estrangement has been unmasked. Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics.
someone who writes code under BSD licence knows that this could be used for commercial projects without returning ANY source at all. one could argue that thus wirting code under BSD licence is stupid in the first place. but why do these people complain when someone uses it under GPL if they would even allow use it for bloody comercial, binary only products? this is stupid hypcriticism...
to create that maschine, besides the software you need extremly powerful hardware (at first). after you created the mascine you have the tool for world domination: so there are 2 possibilities:
this is done by a big corporation.
the owner of a huge botnet
both options are not really promissiong as the risk is hight that the owners of the maschine will abuse this power. so there is only one option left to safeguard us into singulartiy: stop capitalism after this is viable and ensure that the creation of such a maschine is democratically controlled so it can be built to benefit all of us.. not much time left for the revolution/transformation of society.
First of all, the problem of corruption is not specific to capitalism. Corruption is older than capitalism, and there is no country with a non-captitalistic economic system where corruption is not a very significant problem.
the problem with capitalism of course is that it deals with the problem of corruption in that way that it makes corruption the legal basis of all decisions. the more money you have the more important decisions you can do. some dirty work to do? you pay enough money and you find someone for the job. etc..
this is the problem that openiso.org will have to face. it exists within a world where corruption is the norm. like adorno says: There is no right life in the wrong one. (mina moralila, 19)
the other problem of course is: if you want to change the system you have to start somewhere. you have to use the tools available here and now. it has to be put forward by the people withing the here and now. you can not just "imagine" a better world (that would result in "idealism" and "ideology") you have to create it "in practice". the free software movement is a good example for how it could work. it takes the tools of what is available (e.g. copyright) and turns them against them self. it is not straight forward anti-capitalist so it can exist and grow within the current society, but it is a-capitalist enough to breed a system that works within different rules then that dictated by the regime of private property.
There are fascinating historic accounts of so-called "revivals" of Christian religion which show that faith in Jesus Christ, when combined with the right kind of prayer, does in fact have the effect of very dramatically changing human nature for the better.
well, i do not want to offend you but should not be a project like openiso.org be founded in rational thinking instead of superstition? religion is dangerous. it promotes irrationality which has been used (and is still used) to manipulate people. it promotes respect for "higher beeings" and thus also helps to establish respect for those in power and their (corrupt) ruling. (where initially of course you might argue that e.g. jesus was revolting against the dominant structures of power.... ). anyway. this is getting offtopic here..
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1.) marx hints in the manifesto what happens with the overproduction: it creates a crisis within capitalism. "In these crises there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity—the epidemic of over-production." capitalism has learnt do deal with this but to some degree the mechanisms are still the same as 150years ago. creating extra demand via advertising. destroying the existing production. war. legally limiting access. e.g. via so called "intellectual property". as a more permanent solution: capitalism in former centuries had the opportunity to expand into other continents. but this is gone. and there is a limit to aggressive advertising. the "best" method to get rid of access production today is via war. works twice: you need weapons and you do need to rebuild what has been destroyed.
2.) so if we are not able to limit the excess productivity by shorting labour hours and installing basic income then what we will see is heading to is war and destruction. if you look today: most jobs are in areas that are useless or harmful to society: advertising (an industry that creates dissatisfaction), financial products creating fictional capital and of course war. also most products could last much longer then they do..etc.. also think of the ecological footprint of the useless crap.
3.) so if we do not want to wake up in an even more distyopian world we better make sure that we compensate the productivity gains with working less hours and demanding more money and fighting for a universal basic income..
it is the vibration of the quartz crystal that generates the clock frequency.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_clock#Mechanism
the real problem is that this "half-state" gives you the worst of both sides...so we should go forward and have more integration and a simpler system with one central parliament... mond
we run our 320 core cluster on debian squeeze. infiniband support out of the box. the gridengine is a mater of apt.-get install. comes with tons of scientific sofware.
i think the default is that it runs 5000 rounds of that hash for your passwords. if you are really paranoid like me then put something like this in your /etc/pam.d/common-passwd
password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=8 max=20 sha512 rounds=250000
this needs a few seconds on a 2.5Ghz AMD. so you should be safe against dictionary attacks as long has your password is not 12345678 or april1
where of course you assume that the person who had the money in the first place really deserved to have it. but a lot of persons today earn money without doing any useful work (e.g. they work for advertisment - creating artificial needs) or by doing harmful work (creating weapons, destroying the environment, etc...) or doing no work at all (just cashing in on their portfolio). the reason why some can earn a lot of money for nothing is in our system of society. this is an artificial system of laws and rules and it allows some to take the money from other persons without giving them anything useful in return.
so taking the money from people that have that money because of some artificial rules by an other rule (the tax system) is just one way to try to compensate the many faults of the capitalist system.....
mond
Intellectual Property" is called the The Oil of the 21st Century". Workers here are told that strong protection of that the protection of this so called property" is necessary for our economy and a means to protect jobs. Nothing could be further from the truth.
With the ACTA-negotiations, the protection of this IPR should be made stronger once again. What is really behind it?
Global corporations need to maximize their profit. One way to do this is to offshore production into countries with lower wages. There is one problem with this approach. By transferring know-how into these countries there is the risk that these countries will produce product on their own and this breeds competitors [1]. And competition is bad for profits. Thus the global corporations need to find a way where they can utilize the cheap labor while protecting them self from competition.
Where the enforcement of copyright only protects them from direct clones the protection of trademarks ensures that only those who have the financial power to run a marketing campaign on a global scale can sell products at inflated prices. The most important tool is the enforcement of patents. This allows to protect" abstract ideas which potentially cover a wide range of similar products and technology.
So while it is true that IPR protection is good for the european economy" the workers here will not benefit from it. It will increase the profits of the global corporations but it will increase the trend towards offshoring protection. Your boss will get rich but you will loose your job.
It will not help the developing countries neither as it ensures that the profits are extracted out of this countries while access to cheap medicine and other goods is prevented. Most developing countries now oppose the WTO-TRIPS treaty as they are now forced to implement it. This is why ACTA was started. Now that the developing countries are ware of the neo-colonial effects of IPR it is not possible to conduct the IPR protection within the WTO anymore. So the rich countries decided to take it in their own hands.
ACTA is a way of economic warfare that is pursued against developing countries and against the working people in Europe, the US and Japan at the same time.
This should help to explain why the negotiations are held in complete secrecy.
Franz Schaefer, September 2008
well, you can not plan a different system from scratch on a drawing board. you have t learn in the process. it is what the zaptistats call: "walking with questions on our lips"
if you read marx you will not find much about how he imagines a different society. 99.9% of his work is a critique off the capitalist system.
to me it seems extremly plausible that there must be a better way. 10 million dead/year. half of humanity lives below 2$/day. 1Gig people below $1/day. inherent war, distruction and motivation to produce artificial scarcity. destruction of our environment becasue of inherent need for "growth" in the capitalist system. constant erosion of democracy. inherent crisis which leads to instabilty and has lead to fascism and war, growing gap between rich and poor, etc..etc..etc.. there are so many problems and if you look a bit closer you find that most of them are inherent to to the capitalist system that it seems extremely unlikely that there is not a better way.
while we do not know how a different system might look like a few things are certain. we need to shift back power to the people and increase democracy again...
what would be really needed is to restore democracy and to take it to new levels of radical democracy.
the only thigns you can learn from this is:- it prooves that capitalism does not need democracy
- even a large countrly like china can not live independent of the rest of the world. since the world is ruled by capitalist regime you can not easily swim against this. thus the change away from the capitalist regime must be done on a global scale.
of course not. capitalist and imperialist regime plagued the world before...In the list of contries with malnutrition you find india at the top. india is a capitalist country. (interestingly the only regian of inda with a communist-regional government ist the part with the hightest GDP and the place with the best living conditions: kerala). second place in the malnutrition list is (in absolut numbers) capitalist china.
what about the "unstable african nations?" maybe you ask yourself why they are "unstable" in the first place. maybe this is a legacy of imperialist and kolonialist exploitation of the continent? maybe there are still some imperialist proxy wars fought there in order to ensure cheap access to the resources (oil, etc..) there?
then there are military spendings: what the countries have learned from the invasion of irak: if you do not have a strong militray then you might be a candiate for invasion by the US. so there is a motivation for countries to spend money on military and to get access to nuclear weapons. so while these countries might not be "capitalist" these countries are still affected by the global capitalist regime. if you want to trade with other countries you have to submit to the rules of the WTO (introducing artificial scarcity with TRIPS, etc..).. so you are still affected by global capitalist regime even if you like it or not..etc...etc..
capitalist regime rules the planet and thus is responsible for most of the 10 million annual death in one way or an other..
1. Demand for useless things, i was not talking about a demand for useless things but advertisment that increases the demand for those useless things. corporations would not pay for advertising (in itself useless) if it would not increase the demand for the uselss things.
2. War and crisis see what marx whrites about this in the communist manifesto:
war and crisis are found in each epoch of history. but the capitalist one is special here: the war and crises are inherent in the system.... and ontopic of this story: they are here to create artificial scarcity (here described after a period of over-production).so why then do we have IP at all? because capitalism can only deal with scarcity: you can not sell sand in the desert. this shows a principal problem with capitalism. and if you look a bit closer then you see that this does not only happen with intellectual goods but with almost everything that capitalism deals with: it introduces artificial scarcity:
- advertisement: to create new demand for mostly useless things where there was no demand before.
- war: the most effective way to create new demand: destroy what was there before, create insecurity and create weapons that "protect",
...
- crisis: like the bursting housing bubble...
- ....
my employer pays me to filter out spam for him. other people are being payed by there employer to send out spam. etc..etc..the capitalist system is fundamentally broken. every year 10 million people are starving even though there would be enough food to feed them all... capitalism just does not cater to those with no money...
our so called "democracy" is becomming more of a farce every day: voters being manipulated by $$$-media... those with enough corporations behind them have more money for their election campaign... this all leeds to the fact that you can only rule if you represent the profit-interests of the big corporations...
greetings mond.
yes this is radical. holding up this kind of neoliberal ideology costs the live of several million people/year. (10 million are starving each year). million of death just to be able to cling to some stupid ideology.
property is exclusion.
when the report says that this costs the vendors about 60GigaDollar/year it just shows how extremly inefficient comercial production in the capitalist system is.
mond.
http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~utlasers/texas_petawatt_files/texas_petawatt.htm
with fotos and shematics, etc..
while galileo was only imprissoned and threatend with torture, giordano bruno was murdered by the chruch...
wikipedia reports 34 million users. this would it mean $294 per user... sounds a bit overpriced to me..
going from vista to linux is not a downgrade at all...
someone who writes code under BSD licence knows that this could be used for commercial projects without returning ANY source at all. one could argue that thus wirting code under BSD licence is stupid in the first place. but why do these people complain when someone uses it under GPL if they would even allow use it for bloody comercial, binary only products? this is stupid hypcriticism...
will they block slashdot now?
- this is done by a big corporation.
- the owner of a huge botnet
both options are not really promissiong as the risk is hight that the owners of the maschine will abuse this power. so there is only one option left to safeguard us into singulartiy: stop capitalism after this is viable and ensure that the creation of such a maschine is democratically controlled so it can be built to benefit all of us.. not much time left for the revolution/transformation of society.greetings mond.
this is the problem that openiso.org will have to face. it exists within a world where corruption is the norm. like adorno says: There is no right life in the wrong one. (mina moralila, 19)
the other problem of course is: if you want to change the system you have to start somewhere. you have to use the tools available here and now. it has to be put forward by the people withing the here and now. you can not just "imagine" a better world (that would result in "idealism" and "ideology") you have to create it "in practice". the free software movement is a good example for how it could work. it takes the tools of what is available (e.g. copyright) and turns them against them self. it is not straight forward anti-capitalist so it can exist and grow within the current society, but it is a-capitalist enough to breed a system that works within different rules then that dictated by the regime of private property.
well, i do not want to offend you but should not be a project like openiso.org be founded in rational thinking instead of superstition? religion is dangerous. it promotes irrationality which has been used (and is still used) to manipulate people. it promotes respect for "higher beeings" and thus also helps to establish respect for those in power and their (corrupt) ruling. (where initially of course you might argue that e.g. jesus was revolting against the dominant structures of power.... ). anyway. this is getting offtopic here..greetings from vienna, austria,
mond.