This is the wrong business model entirely. They should require a flat-price subscription, and give you a free DVR that always 100 movies on it. You can watch any movie you want, any time you want.
But I believe Russ Nelson has only a superficial understanding of email and is ignorant of the depth of his ignorance.
I was an Internet postmaster when your mother was still wiping shit off your butt.
If he was running a double-opt-in list, then his address would only have been flagged for 24 hours when he sent the verification email.
You see how confused you are? Double-opt-in (which, by the way, is a SPAMMER term, so who's the spammer here?) is the industry standard for ensuring that a mailing list does not spam. So, a spambot forges email to a mailing list subscription address from one of your sooper-sekrit spamtraps. My mailing list software sends a confirmation email to your spamtrap, and I'm blocked for 24 hours. Why? For following the industry-standard practice of confirming all subscriptions.
Yer an idiot, Khasim. You think that spamcop wants people to not use bl.spamcop.net? How gullible can you be? Of course they want people to use it. Why else would they bother running it? They only tell people NOT to use it for legal cover -- cover that will last about ten seconds -- which is how long the judge will take to give it the good belly laugh that it deserves.
I've said in another thread (which you apparently didn't read) that Spamcop is trying to solve the wrong problem. No possible solution can solve a wrong problem. Spamcop is trying to reduce spam, which is good. They're attacking autoresponses, which is bad, because autoresponses are indistinguishable from mailing list confirmations. They should attack forgeries instead. DomainKeys will prevent forgeries.
At the end of the day ideology is irrelevant to most people.
You were talking about Open Source.... and then you switched to Free Software rhetoric.
Open Source isn't an ideology. If Open Source isn't (as you say) demonstrably better for you (yes, in part because of freedom), then you shouldn't use it. We won't think the worse of you, either.
When somebody forges one email and I bounce one email back to that address, in what POSSIBLE way is that "bulk"? Spam isn't spam unless it's sent in bulk. Undesired email is not spam. Spam has to be sent in bulk, otherwise it's just email. Unwanted, perhaps, but just email.
But I guess you didn't think of that before you flamed the grandparent to a crispy golden brown, huh.
Not hardly. Perhaps I'm a little warmer. On one side. I've had worse sunburns. Khasim is an amateur postmaster and an amateur flamer. If he was to show his head in alt.flame, and attempt to flame one of the masters, he would be a crunchy blackened cinder.
But I deal with it from the point of view of an email admin who is trying to reduce the in-bound spam while making sure that all the legitimate email is allowed through.
I believe that you are lying -- perhaps mostly to yourself -- but what you are saying is not factual. The spamcop blocking list *purposefully* blocks sites which accept all email and then bounce the undeliverables. This is an industry standard practice which Spamcop has unilaterally declared nonstandard. That's fine -- everyone needs to decide for themselves what email they will accept and what they they reject -- but don't delude yourself -- you are NOT making sure that all legitimate email is allowed through. That is a lie.
Oh, I do! I tell them that only morons use Spamcop's blocking list. I would guess from your heated reply that you are one of those morons.
I don't spam. My server accepts email and the n bounces it if it's undeliverable. Spamcop calls that spam if the email was forged from a spamtrap address.
Is there any way to get a permanent block entered into the Spamcop blocking list? I'd really rather dispose of this issue by getting rid of morons -- or converting them to intelligent people by their cessation of the use of Spamcop's blocking list.
yet, spamcop decides that ALL auto replies are spam.
Yup. They're attacking the symptom of forgeries (misdirected auto replies) rather than the cause of forgeries: unsigned email. DomainKeys will get rid of 99% of all forgeries. Instead of blocking sites that send auto replies, they should be blocking sites that don't sign their email with DomainKeys.
Or perhaps less radically, they should block sites that send auto replies to email with a forged DomainKey.
Different DNSBLs have different policies. Spamcop's simply happens to suck, but that doesn't mean that everybody's does. For example, spamhaus's listing are very reliable.
Do you think anybody at spamcop cares about false positives? If they care, there's no evidence of it. My server was blocked by spamcop this past week. Why? I have no idea, and no way to correct the problem, because when they block you, all they say is "You sent email to one of our secret addresses."
Given that politicians have the power to enact this measure into law, I think it's far more important than we track and verify all legal U.S. politicians. What if an illegal politician was to sneak in to the legislature and vote on a bill? What if a politician was to vote on a bill while inebriated or stoned? We need a piss test for politicians.
Price discrimination happens all the time. It's a good thing in a competitive market. It allows goods to be cheaper for thsoe people who need them to be cheaper. After all, if the laptop is worth $300 to you, you'll pay it. Nevermind the fact that somebody else is buying millions of laptops and paying $120[1] for them.
[1] or whatever Negroponte[2] is quoting as the current price. [2] Blackbridge is a weird name.
Yes, and two wing-shaped slots as well! Because as everyone knows from watching Bugs Bunny, when an object goes through a wall, it cuts out a perfect outline of itself in the wall.
In other words, everyone posting this crap learned their physics from Bugs Bunny.
Let's crank up our imaginations here. When the front of the airplane hit the Pentagon, the back of the airplane was still moving at 500mph. What do you think happens to an airplane when one end is not moving and the other end is travelling at 500mph? Ever smooshed an aluminum can with your foot? Ever filled it up with kerosene and smooshed it with your foot? Ever do it with a propane torch running next to it at the same time?
If so, I want to stay far, far away from you, because you're a dangerous fool.
Uhhhhhh, it's only a conspiracy theory if a false explanation is publicized while the real facts are kept quiet by a conspracy. What is the false explanation for the 20-1 hijackers and what are the real facts, and who are conspiring to keep them secret?
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This is the wrong business model entirely. They should require a flat-price subscription, and give you a free DVR that always 100 movies on it. You can watch any movie you want, any time you want.
But I believe Russ Nelson has only a superficial understanding of email and is ignorant of the depth of his ignorance.
I was an Internet postmaster when your mother was still wiping shit off your butt.
If he was running a double-opt-in list, then his address would only have been flagged for 24 hours when he sent the verification email.
You see how confused you are? Double-opt-in (which, by the way, is a SPAMMER term, so who's the spammer here?) is the industry standard for ensuring that a mailing list does not spam. So, a spambot forges email to a mailing list subscription address from one of your sooper-sekrit spamtraps. My mailing list software sends a confirmation email to your spamtrap, and I'm blocked for 24 hours. Why? For following the industry-standard practice of confirming all subscriptions.
Yer an idiot, Khasim. You think that spamcop wants people to not use bl.spamcop.net? How gullible can you be? Of course they want people to use it. Why else would they bother running it? They only tell people NOT to use it for legal cover -- cover that will last about ten seconds -- which is how long the judge will take to give it the good belly laugh that it deserves.
I've said in another thread (which you apparently didn't read) that Spamcop is trying to solve the wrong problem. No possible solution can solve a wrong problem. Spamcop is trying to reduce spam, which is good. They're attacking autoresponses, which is bad, because autoresponses are indistinguishable from mailing list confirmations. They should attack forgeries instead. DomainKeys will prevent forgeries.
Are we really so insecure in our convictions that the slightest whiff of Microsoft makes us cry 'shill'?
It's not insecurity. It's not wanting people to be misled by non-facts.
Open Source isn't about cost. It's about getting your soverignity back.
At the end of the day ideology is irrelevant to most people.
.... and then you switched to Free Software rhetoric.
You were talking about Open Source
Open Source isn't an ideology. If Open Source isn't (as you say) demonstrably better for you (yes, in part because of freedom), then you shouldn't use it. We won't think the worse of you, either.
Yes, but can you make a Beowulf cluster using it? That's the essential question that no one has yet asked.
Um, in THIS story. Nobody has asked it in THIS story yet.
using a forged the envelope-from address you are sending unsolicicited email to someone who never initiated any communication with you to begin with.
As far as I can see, this is the industry consensus definition of spam: http://crynwr.com/spam/definition.html
When somebody forges one email and I bounce one email back to that address, in what POSSIBLE way is that "bulk"? Spam isn't spam unless it's sent in bulk. Undesired email is not spam. Spam has to be sent in bulk, otherwise it's just email. Unwanted, perhaps, but just email.
But I guess you didn't think of that before you flamed the grandparent to a crispy golden brown, huh.
Not hardly. Perhaps I'm a little warmer. On one side. I've had worse sunburns. Khasim is an amateur postmaster and an amateur flamer. If he was to show his head in alt.flame, and attempt to flame one of the masters, he would be a crunchy blackened cinder.
But I deal with it from the point of view of an email admin who is trying to reduce the in-bound spam while making sure that all the legitimate email is allowed through.
I believe that you are lying -- perhaps mostly to yourself -- but what you are saying is not factual. The spamcop blocking list *purposefully* blocks sites which accept all email and then bounce the undeliverables. This is an industry standard practice which Spamcop has unilaterally declared nonstandard. That's fine -- everyone needs to decide for themselves what email they will accept and what they they reject -- but don't delude yourself -- you are NOT making sure that all legitimate email is allowed through. That is a lie.
If you want to complain, complain to that person.
Oh, I do! I tell them that only morons use Spamcop's blocking list. I would guess from your heated reply that you are one of those morons.
I don't spam. My server accepts email and the n bounces it if it's undeliverable. Spamcop calls that spam if the email was forged from a spamtrap address.
Is there any way to get a permanent block entered into the Spamcop blocking list? I'd really rather dispose of this issue by getting rid of morons -- or converting them to intelligent people by their cessation of the use of Spamcop's blocking list.
yet, spamcop decides that ALL auto replies are spam.
Yup. They're attacking the symptom of forgeries (misdirected auto replies) rather than the cause of forgeries: unsigned email. DomainKeys will get rid of 99% of all forgeries. Instead of blocking sites that send auto replies, they should be blocking sites that don't sign their email with DomainKeys.
Or perhaps less radically, they should block sites that send auto replies to email with a forged DomainKey.
Different DNSBLs have different policies. Spamcop's simply happens to suck, but that doesn't mean that everybody's does. For example, spamhaus's listing are very reliable.
Do you think anybody at spamcop cares about false positives? If they care, there's no evidence of it. My server was blocked by spamcop this past week. Why? I have no idea, and no way to correct the problem, because when they block you, all they say is "You sent email to one of our secret addresses."
Given that politicians have the power to enact this measure into law, I think it's far more important than we track and verify all legal U.S. politicians. What if an illegal politician was to sneak in to the legislature and vote on a bill? What if a politician was to vote on a bill while inebriated or stoned? We need a piss test for politicians.
The children have to be taught how to spam. It doesn't come naturally.
We're all animals except you, P-1.
Price discrimination happens all the time. It's a good thing in a competitive market. It allows goods to be cheaper for thsoe people who need them to be cheaper. After all, if the laptop is worth $300 to you, you'll pay it. Nevermind the fact that somebody else is buying millions of laptops and paying $120[1] for them.
[1] or whatever Negroponte[2] is quoting as the current price.
[2] Blackbridge is a weird name.
By the way, the dangling reference to a quote by one "Berkus" should be attributed to Josh Berkus.
Use a nym, like CmdrTaco, but don't let anybody associate your nym with your RL persona, like Rob Malda did.
Yes, no, and no respectively.
Yes, and two wing-shaped slots as well! Because as everyone knows from watching Bugs Bunny, when an object goes through a wall, it cuts out a perfect outline of itself in the wall.
In other words, everyone posting this crap learned their physics from Bugs Bunny.
Let's crank up our imaginations here. When the front of the airplane hit the Pentagon, the back of the airplane was still moving at 500mph. What do you think happens to an airplane when one end is not moving and the other end is travelling at 500mph? Ever smooshed an aluminum can with your foot? Ever filled it up with kerosene and smooshed it with your foot? Ever do it with a propane torch running next to it at the same time?
If so, I want to stay far, far away from you, because you're a dangerous fool.
Uhhhhhh, it's only a conspiracy theory if a false explanation is publicized while the real facts are kept quiet by a conspracy. What is the false explanation for the 20-1 hijackers and what are the real facts, and who are conspiring to keep them secret?
guitar-based acapella group? Didn't they write a song about "Oil and Water"?
Oh, so you've watched the Jerry Springer Show, too?